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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' made a major plot point being the villain's plan to lock everyone in the world into [[LotusEaterMachine their own personal dream world that would give them their every desire]]. Whether or not this would ultimately be a good thing for a world that raises child soldiers is glossed over in favor of discussing how villainous the means of the people trying to set it off are using. Later on it's also added that the plan also slowly turns people into empty zombies, making the initial debate further removed by having the dream world be fatal. Likewise, once people are released their reactions are glossed over and no one expresses any interest at all over their dream worlds despite how easily traumatic it would be for many of them to see lost loved ones again thinking they were real. And then even ''that'' is rendered moot when [[spoiler:it turns out the whole thing is being manipulated to resurrect a villain whose goals are much less defensible.]]
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** Endeavor's arc raises the question over whether or not a hero who does uncouth acts beneath the public eye deserves praise. While he is the #2 hero for a majority of the story and boasts a work ethic that properly shows off his competence, he was also an abusive parent who was chasing a victory over All Might that the latter [[OneSidedRivalry wasn't even actively chasing]] and roped his youngest son into the one-sided feud. Exposing this dirty laundry becomes a massive wrench in the heroes' side, as it only helps foster distrust in the system at the peak of a very chaotic battle. However, as the latter half of the series shows, [[spoiler:Endeavor was ''already'' trying to make amends with his family, and while the exposure does anger civilians, they ultimately decide he's changed enough for that to not matter at present. The person who exposes the family abuse, Dabi, is a supervillain who's explicitly trying to ruin Endeavor's reputation and work to destroy everything Endeavor cares about, who also happens to be his assumed dead eldest son; the public therefore finds more fault in Endeavor for being responsible for birthing a criminal, rather than for his parental and familial failings.]]
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** Endeavor's character arc raises the question over whether or not a hero who does uncouth acts beneath the public eye deserves praise. While he is the #2 hero for a majority of the story and boasts a work ethic that properly shows off his competence, he was also an abusive parent who was chasing a victory over All Might that the latter [[OneSidedRivalry wasn't even actively chasing]] and roped his youngest son into the one-sided feud. Exposing this dirty laundry becomes a massive wrench in the heroes' side, as it only helps foster distrust in the system at the peak of a very chaotic battle. However, as the latter half of the series shows, [[spoiler:Endeavor was ''already'' trying to make amends with his family, and while the exposure does anger civilians, they ultimately decide he's changed enough for that to not matter at present. The person who exposes the family abuse, Dabi, is a supervillain who's explicitly trying to ruin Endeavor's reputation and work to destroy everything Endeavor cares about, who also happens to be his assumed dead eldest son; the public therefore finds more fault in Endeavor for being responsible for birthing a criminal, rather than for his parental and familial failings.]]
* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' made a major plot point being the villain's plan to lock everyone in the world into [[LotusEaterMachine their own personal dream world that would give them their every desire]]. Whether or not this would ultimately be a good thing for a world that raises child soldiers is glossed over in favor of discussing how villainous the means of the people trying to set it off are using. Later on it's also added that the plan also slowly turns people into empty zombies, making the initial debate further removed by having the dream world be fatal. Likewise, once people are released their reactions are glossed over and no one expresses any interest at all over their dream worlds despite how easily traumatic it would be for many of them to see lost loved ones again thinking they were real. And then even ''that'' is rendered moot when [[spoiler:it turns out the whole thing is being manipulated to resurrect a villain whose goals are much less defensible.]]
* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' made a major plot point being the villain's plan to lock everyone in the world into [[LotusEaterMachine their own personal dream world that would give them their every desire]]. Whether or not this would ultimately be a good thing for a world that raises child soldiers is glossed over in favor of discussing how villainous the means of the people trying to set it off are using. Later on it's also added that the plan also slowly turns people into empty zombies, making the initial debate further removed by having the dream world be fatal. Likewise, once people are released their reactions are glossed over and no one expresses any interest at all over their dream worlds despite how easily traumatic it would be for many of them to see lost loved ones again thinking they were real. And then even ''that'' is rendered moot when [[spoiler:it turns out the whole thing is being manipulated to resurrect a villain whose goals are much less defensible.]]
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** The first part of season two has this. The twins Ali and En come to Earth with their mother, the Doom Tree. They know [[SoulfulPlantStory the tree is dying]] but don't know how to save her, and both of them grow sicker as the Doom Tree weakens. Ali determines they need to steal human energy to survive, even as he and his sister go for BecomingTheMask while posing as huamns and start falling for their classmates. En at one point cries and says that collecting human energy makes her feel awful because it means they can never be normal or have real friends because they are TrappedInVillainy. When the Senshi learn about the full situation in the season finale, they're sympathetic and try to talk them down since an untransformed Usagi and Mamoru are in the crossfire. [[spoiler:In the end, Sailor Moon allows the Doom Tree to talk with her powers, and the tree reveals the human energy was actually poisoning it and it needed love. Ali goes MyGodWhatHaveIDone as he holds a prone En, who took a deadly blow for him. Sailor Moon heals the tree with Moon Princess Halation and all of her love, which allows it and En to revive. Ali and En apologize to the Senshi, thanking Sailor Moon and Mamoru for their kindness. They decide to leave Earth with what they know about love and start a new life. The Senshi wish them luck]].
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** The first part of season two has this. The twins Ali and En come to Earth with their mother, the Doom Tree. They know [[SoulfulPlantStory the tree is dying]] but don't know how to save her, and both of them grow sicker as the Doom Tree weakens. Ali determines they need to steal human energy to survive, even as he and his sister go for BecomingTheMask while posing as huamns humans and start falling for their classmates. En at one point cries and says that collecting human energy makes her feel awful because it means they can never be normal or have real friends because they are TrappedInVillainy. When the Senshi learn about the full situation in the season finale, they're sympathetic and try to talk them down since an untransformed Usagi and Mamoru are in the crossfire. [[spoiler:In the end, Sailor Moon allows the Doom Tree to talk with her powers, and the tree reveals the human energy was actually poisoning it and it needed love. Ali goes MyGodWhatHaveIDone as he holds a prone En, who took a deadly blow for him. Sailor Moon heals the tree with Moon Princess Halation and all of her love, which allows it and En to revive. Ali and En apologize to the Senshi, thanking Sailor Moon and Mamoru for their kindness. They decide to leave Earth with what they know about love and start a new life. The Senshi wish them luck]].
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** The series often asks whether or not a hero should save someone who's shown that they don't want the help or have pushed themselves down the path and are unwilling to have someone else pull them out. Tomura Shigaraki, while one of the main villains, also had an extensively dark backstory where his abusive father, the awakening of his powers killing his loved ones, and the failure of the citizenship to help him afterwards all contributed to his villainous outlook on life. He even states to protagonist Izuku Midoriya that he's made his choice and is only interested in seeking destructive catharsis for himself and the League of Villains; however, despite that, Midoriya realizes that there is a part of Shigaraki that did want to be saved. [[spoiler:The final arc reveals that Shigaraki didn't ''have'' a choice in the matter to begin with; every tragedy in his life had been dictated by BigBad All for One and the villain had made a point to use Shigaraki as his newest vessel, so he can't claim autonomy for a giant portion of his actions.]]
** Endeavor's arc raises the question over whether or not a hero who does uncouth acts beneath the public eye deserves praise. While he is the #2 hero for a majority of the story and boasts a work ethic that properly shows off his competence, he was also an abusive parent who was chasing a victory over All Might that the latter [[OneSidedRivalry wasn't even actively chasing]] and roped his youngest son into the one-sided feud. Exposing this dirty laundry becomes a massive wrench in the heroes' side, as it only helps foster distrust in the system at the peak of a very chaotic battle. However, as the latter half of the series shows, [[spoiler:Endeavor was ''already'' trying to make amends with his family, and while the exposure does anger civilians, they ultimately decide he's changed enough for that to not matter at present. The person who exposes the family abuse, Dabi, is a supervillain who's explicitly trying to ruin Endeavor's reputation and work to destroy everything Endeavor cares about, who also happens to be his assumed dead eldest son; the public therefore finds more fault in Endeavor for being responsible for birthing a criminal, rather than for his parental and familial failings.]]
** The series often asks whether or not a hero should save someone who's shown that they don't want the help or have pushed themselves down the path and are unwilling to have someone else pull them out. Tomura Shigaraki, while one of the main villains, also had an extensively dark backstory where his abusive father, the awakening of his powers killing his loved ones, and the failure of the citizenship to help him afterwards all contributed to his villainous outlook on life. He even states to protagonist Izuku Midoriya that he's made his choice and is only interested in seeking destructive catharsis for himself and the League of Villains; however, despite that, Midoriya realizes that there is a part of Shigaraki that did want to be saved. [[spoiler:The final arc reveals that Shigaraki didn't ''have'' a choice in the matter to begin with; every tragedy in his life had been dictated by BigBad All for One and the villain had made a point to use Shigaraki as his newest vessel, so he can't claim autonomy for a giant portion of his actions.]]
** Endeavor's arc raises the question over whether or not a hero who does uncouth acts beneath the public eye deserves praise. While he is the #2 hero for a majority of the story and boasts a work ethic that properly shows off his competence, he was also an abusive parent who was chasing a victory over All Might that the latter [[OneSidedRivalry wasn't even actively chasing]] and roped his youngest son into the one-sided feud. Exposing this dirty laundry becomes a massive wrench in the heroes' side, as it only helps foster distrust in the system at the peak of a very chaotic battle. However, as the latter half of the series shows, [[spoiler:Endeavor was ''already'' trying to make amends with his family, and while the exposure does anger civilians, they ultimately decide he's changed enough for that to not matter at present. The person who exposes the family abuse, Dabi, is a supervillain who's explicitly trying to ruin Endeavor's reputation and work to destroy everything Endeavor cares about, who also happens to be his assumed dead eldest son; the public therefore finds more fault in Endeavor for being responsible for birthing a criminal, rather than for his parental and familial failings.]]
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* ''Anime/CodeGeass'': Much of the conflicts in R2 comes from RightForTheWrongReasons. Lelouch leads The Black Knights to liberate Japan and take down the empire to create a better place for his sister while Suzaku serves Britannian to be an InternalReformist. After circumstances makes them come to understand neither of their methods would ultimately benefit no one, they decide on one option; [[spoiler:uniting the world by becoming a symbol of hatred and dying to ensure peace]].
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* ''Anime/CodeGeass'': Much of the conflicts in R2 comes from RightForTheWrongReasons. [[Characters/CodeGeassLelouchLamperouge Lelouch Lamperouge]] leads The Black Knights to liberate Japan and take down the empire to create a better place for his sister while [[Characters/CodeGeassSuzakuKururugi Suzaku Kururugi]] serves Britannian to be an InternalReformist. After circumstances makes them come to understand neither of their methods would ultimately benefit no one, they decide on one option; [[spoiler:uniting the world by becoming a symbol of hatred and dying to ensure peace]].
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* In ''ComicBook/CivilWar2006'', a group of super-powered teenagers filming a reality show attack a group of villains, causing one of them [[NiceJobBreakingItHero to explode like an atomic bomb, destroying all of Stamford]]. Public hysteria ensues, and super heroes are placed in a difficult dilemma: with uncontrolled super-hero actions banned, heroes must sign the SuperRegistrationAct and work for the government, or be hunted down by all the government forces (including the superheroes that signed for it). The registration side won, and things stayed that way for a time. Well, and once the thing has lasted long enough, how do we return things to the way they always were? Easy: put a supervillain on top of the registration side, put all superheroes on the other side, and turn a topic of (allegedly) grey and gray morality [[note]]during the event itself the Pro-Registration side crossed too many lines throughout the different tie-in books to remain in the gray side of morality[[/note]] into a topic of black and white morality.
* In ''ComicBook/InhumansVsXmen'', the leader of the people being gassed to death by a chemical weapon Black Bolt released conveniently goes totally psycho at the last minute, meaning that Bolt and Medusa's victory over her [[note]]and their making a trophy out of her [[ItMakesSenseInContext diamond tears]][[/note]] is...fittingly?...heroic and triumphant. That was the writers' ''[[DesignatedHero intention]]'', at least.
* The theme of [[ComicBook/MarvelNOW the second volume]] of ''New Avengers'' is the debate over whether or not it is ethical under any circumstance to destroy a planet, as numerous alternate Earths are revealed to be on a collision course with the main Earth, meaning certain doom, most likely for both, if they collide. [[spoiler:The first such planet is eaten by Galactus before the Avengers can decide what to do about it, and the second they ''do'' destroy, but it turns out to be uninhabited]].
* In ''ComicBook/InhumansVsXmen'', the leader of the people being gassed to death by a chemical weapon Black Bolt released conveniently goes totally psycho at the last minute, meaning that Bolt and Medusa's victory over her [[note]]and their making a trophy out of her [[ItMakesSenseInContext diamond tears]][[/note]] is...fittingly?...heroic and triumphant. That was the writers' ''[[DesignatedHero intention]]'', at least.
* The theme of [[ComicBook/MarvelNOW the second volume]] of ''New Avengers'' is the debate over whether or not it is ethical under any circumstance to destroy a planet, as numerous alternate Earths are revealed to be on a collision course with the main Earth, meaning certain doom, most likely for both, if they collide. [[spoiler:The first such planet is eaten by Galactus before the Avengers can decide what to do about it, and the second they ''do'' destroy, but it turns out to be uninhabited]].
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* In ''ComicBook/CivilWar2006'', When the ComicBook/NewWarriors'', a group of super-powered teenagers filming a reality show show, attack a group of villains, causing they cause one of them [[NiceJobBreakingItHero to explode like an atomic bomb, destroying all of Stamford]]. Public hysteria ensues, and super heroes are placed in a difficult dilemma: with uncontrolled super-hero actions banned, heroes must sign the SuperRegistrationAct and work for the government, or be hunted down by all the government forces (including the superheroes that signed for it). The registration side won, and things stayed that way for a time. Well, and once the thing has lasted long enough, how do we return things to the way they always were? Easy: put a supervillain on top of the registration side, put all superheroes on the other side, and turn a topic of (allegedly) grey and gray morality [[note]]during the event itself the Pro-Registration side crossed too many lines throughout the different tie-in books to remain in the gray side of morality[[/note]] into a topic of black and white morality.
*In ''ComicBook/InhumansVsXmen'', the ''ComicBook/InhumansVsXmen'': The leader of the people being gassed to death by a chemical weapon Black Bolt released conveniently goes totally psycho at the last minute, meaning that Bolt and Medusa's victory over her [[note]]and their making a trophy out of her [[ItMakesSenseInContext diamond tears]][[/note]] is...fittingly?...heroic and triumphant. That was the writers' ''[[DesignatedHero intention]]'', at least.
* The theme of [[ComicBook/MarvelNOW the second volume]] of''New Avengers'' ''ComicBook/NewAvengers'' is the debate over whether or not it is ethical under any circumstance to destroy a planet, as numerous alternate Earths are revealed to be on a collision course with the main Earth, meaning certain doom, most likely for both, if they collide. [[spoiler:The first such planet is eaten by Galactus before the Avengers can decide what to do about it, and the second they ''do'' destroy, but it turns out to be uninhabited]].
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* The theme of [[ComicBook/MarvelNOW the second volume]] of
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* In ''ComicBook/TheWalkingDead'', after the misogynistic Thomas murders two of Hershel's daughters, Rick decides to implement a "You Kill, You Die" law and declares that Thomas should be hung. This decision is debated by others, but it comes to an end when Patricia lets him out, believing that he's mentally ill and not responsible for his actions. [[TheFarmerAndTheViper Thomas proceeds to strangle her]] and is shot by another of Hershel's daughters.
* Similarly, with ''ComicBook/XMen'', [[SuperRegistrationAct Mutant Registration Acts]] are never given an actual debate. It's sometimes acknowledged that, hey, these are people with the power to level mountains just by opening their eyes and reasonable people might want some means of protection from the bad ones, but the Act is nearly always being pushed by bigots who are using it as the first step in wiping out mutantkind. Even when the promoter is ''not'' such a bigot, the specter of such information still being used ''by'' bigots to facilitate FantasticRacism remains omnipresent. The very first BadFuture plotline, ''ComicBook/DaysOfFuturePast'', revolves around the dark world created by enforcing mutant registration, where mutants are forcibly marked and herded into concentration camps, or even exterminated altogether. Animated depictions usually take away the moral ambiguity by portraying such a world as mostly being the fault of the [[AIIsACrapshoot defective programming]] of the [[GiantRobot Sentinels]] humans use to enforce the registration laws.
* Similarly, with ''ComicBook/XMen'', [[SuperRegistrationAct Mutant Registration Acts]] are never given an actual debate. It's sometimes acknowledged that, hey, these are people with the power to level mountains just by opening their eyes and reasonable people might want some means of protection from the bad ones, but the Act is nearly always being pushed by bigots who are using it as the first step in wiping out mutantkind. Even when the promoter is ''not'' such a bigot, the specter of such information still being used ''by'' bigots to facilitate FantasticRacism remains omnipresent. The very first BadFuture plotline, ''ComicBook/DaysOfFuturePast'', revolves around the dark world created by enforcing mutant registration, where mutants are forcibly marked and herded into concentration camps, or even exterminated altogether. Animated depictions usually take away the moral ambiguity by portraying such a world as mostly being the fault of the [[AIIsACrapshoot defective programming]] of the [[GiantRobot Sentinels]] humans use to enforce the registration laws.
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* In ''ComicBook/TheWalkingDead'', after ''ComicBook/TheWalkingDead'': After the misogynistic Thomas murders two of Hershel's daughters, Rick decides to implement a "You Kill, You Die" law and declares that Thomas should be hung. This decision is debated by others, but it comes to an end when Patricia lets him out, believing that he's mentally ill and not responsible for his actions. [[TheFarmerAndTheViper Thomas proceeds to strangle her]] and is shot by another of Hershel's daughters.
*Similarly, with ''ComicBook/XMen'', ''ComicBook/XMen'': The [[SuperRegistrationAct Mutant Registration Acts]] are never given an actual debate. It's sometimes acknowledged that, hey, these are people with the power to level mountains just by opening their eyes and reasonable people might want some means of protection from the bad ones, but the Act is nearly always being pushed by bigots who are using it as the first step in wiping out mutantkind. Even when the promoter is ''not'' such a bigot, the specter of such information still being used ''by'' bigots to facilitate FantasticRacism remains omnipresent. The very first BadFuture plotline, ''ComicBook/DaysOfFuturePast'', revolves around the dark world created by enforcing mutant registration, where mutants are forcibly marked and herded into concentration camps, or even exterminated altogether. Animated depictions usually take away the moral ambiguity by portraying such a world as mostly being the fault of the [[AIIsACrapshoot defective programming]] of the [[GiantRobot Sentinels]] humans use to enforce the registration laws.
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* In the original ''Literature/BeautyAndTheBeast'', the queen is dismayed to find that the woman who broke her son's curse is only a merchant's daughter, not royalty or even nobility. The good fairy chides her not to reject Beauty just because of her low birth; but while the queen does waver a bit in the face of the fairy's arguments, in the end she's never forced to truly overcome her prejudice, because it conveniently turns out that Beauty is a half-fairy changeling and [[ReallyRoyaltyReveal her real father was royalty]].
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** Someone knocks into Jesse from behind, forcing him into the stake Xander is holding and preventing Xander from having to choose whether or not to kill his best friend.
** After Buffy kills ''Ted'' and starts to face the consequences of killing a human, he's revealed to be a robot.
** Veruca the werewolf refuses to lock herself up and attacks Willow. It looks like Buffy will be forced to kill her, when Oz attacks and kills her in his werewolf form instead.
** After Buffy kills ''Ted'' and starts to face the consequences of killing a human, he's revealed to be a robot.
** Veruca the werewolf refuses to lock herself up and attacks Willow. It looks like Buffy will be forced to kill her, when Oz attacks and kills her in his werewolf form instead.
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** Someone After Jesse has been turned into a vampire, Xander is holding a stake and struggling with the decision of whether or not to kill his best friend. Abruptly, someone else knocks into Jesse from behind, forcing him into onto the stake Xander is holding and preventing Xander from having to choose whether or not to kill his best friend.
make the choice.
**After Buffy kills ''Ted'' hates her mother's intrusive and starts misogynistic boyfriend Ted and struggles with how to face the consequences get rid of killing a human, he's revealed him. When he physically attacks her and then turns out to be a robot.
homicidal robot, this makes her dilemma a lot easier.
** Veruca the werewolf refuses to lock herself up on the full moon and attacks Willow. It looks like Buffy will be forced to make the decision to kill her, despite being vehemently opposed to the idea of killing werewolves, when Oz attacks and killsher Veruca in his werewolf form instead.
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** Veruca the werewolf refuses to lock herself up on the full moon and attacks Willow. It looks like Buffy will be forced to make the decision to kill her, despite being vehemently opposed to the idea of killing werewolves, when Oz attacks and kills
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* ''Series/{{Buffy the Vampire Slayer}}'' does this several times:
** Someone knocks into Jesse from behind, forcing him into the stake Xander is holding and preventing Xander from having to choose whether or not to kill his best friend.
** After Buffy kills ''Ted'' and starts to face the consequences of killing a human, he's revealed to be a robot.
** Veruca the werewolf refuses to lock herself up and attacks Willow. It looks like Buffy will be forced to kill her, when Oz attacks and kills her in his werewolf form instead.
** Someone knocks into Jesse from behind, forcing him into the stake Xander is holding and preventing Xander from having to choose whether or not to kill his best friend.
** After Buffy kills ''Ted'' and starts to face the consequences of killing a human, he's revealed to be a robot.
** Veruca the werewolf refuses to lock herself up and attacks Willow. It looks like Buffy will be forced to kill her, when Oz attacks and kills her in his werewolf form instead.
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* ''Series/TheFalconAndTheWinterSoldier'': The Flagsmashers are a group that has been using a recreated super-soldier serum to steal from the government to [[JustLikeRobinHood give supplies to the large number of poor people]] displaced when they came back to life after Thanos killed them, only to find that many of their homes were occupied, their jobs filled by others, and their possessions lost after they were declared dead. Then they start murdering people in cold blood so the good guys can take them down with no moral quandaries.
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* ''Series/TheFalconAndTheWinterSoldier'': The show manages to have two diametrically opposed factions antagonistic to the titular heroes that start out nuanced and possibly having a point before devolving into villainy so they can be comfortably taken down by the centrist heroes:
** The Flagsmashers are a group that has been using a recreated super-soldier serum to steal from the government to [[JustLikeRobinHood give supplies to the large number of poor people]] displaced when they came back to life after Thanos killed them, only to find that many of their homes were occupied, their jobs filled by others, and their possessions lost after they were declared dead. Then they start murdering people in cold blood so the good guys can take them down with no moralquandaries.quandaries.
** John Walker, AKA Captain America II, is introduced in manner designed to draw the heroes and audiences' ire by inserting himself into the shoes of Captain America. The show then examines him further in an attempt to question whether or not he could be worthy of the shield (and if we, like the heroes, are just against him for being an InUniverse ReplacementScrappy even if he's objectively the right man for the job). This is then thrown out the window when his behavior becomes increasingly erratic and borderline fascist, culminating in his murder of an enemy combatant in a vengeance-fueled rage meaning there's no moral question whether the main characters should strip him of his shield.
** The Flagsmashers are a group that has been using a recreated super-soldier serum to steal from the government to [[JustLikeRobinHood give supplies to the large number of poor people]] displaced when they came back to life after Thanos killed them, only to find that many of their homes were occupied, their jobs filled by others, and their possessions lost after they were declared dead. Then they start murdering people in cold blood so the good guys can take them down with no moral
** John Walker, AKA Captain America II, is introduced in manner designed to draw the heroes and audiences' ire by inserting himself into the shoes of Captain America. The show then examines him further in an attempt to question whether or not he could be worthy of the shield (and if we, like the heroes, are just against him for being an InUniverse ReplacementScrappy even if he's objectively the right man for the job). This is then thrown out the window when his behavior becomes increasingly erratic and borderline fascist, culminating in his murder of an enemy combatant in a vengeance-fueled rage meaning there's no moral question whether the main characters should strip him of his shield.
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* ''Series/TheFalconAndTheWinterSoldier'': The Flagsmashers are a group that has been using a recreated super-soldier serum to steal from the government to [[JustLikeRobinHood give supplies to the large number of poor people]] displaced when they came back to life after Thanos killed them, only to find that many of their homes were occupied, their jobs filled by others, and their possessions lost after they were declared dead. Then they start murdering people in cold blood so the good guys can take them down with no moral quandaries.
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*** The Doctor does answer the dilemma [[spoiler:by refusing to use the Delta Wave]], he just gets a third option at the last second. This is emphasized by [[spoiler:how haunted he is by the decision he made the last time he faced this dilemma.]]
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*** Less so than the above, since they do come to a final response for the dilemma: the twist at the end means they didn't have to go through with it but they still came to a final answer. [[spoiler:He was going to fry part of its brain so it could still function to keep London alive and not suffer but would essentially become a vegetable.]]
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** A young woman with Down Syndrome is raped and impregnated, but wants to keep the baby. Her elderly mother, however, wants to abort, feeling she won't be around long enough to provide for both her daughter and grandchild. The detectives are caught up in the family drama as they search for the rapist... and eventually they do find him, and it turns out he's filthy rich. As such, the police decide to plea bargain him in exchange for lifetime child support, so everyone's happy.
*** In the same episode, it isn't immediately clear that there ''was'' a rape (the girl is in her 20s, so there's no age of consent issues); initially, it appears that the baby may have been fathered by the girl's boyfriend, raising some fairly complex questions about whether or not the woman would have been capable of giving meaningful consent to sex if that is in fact what happened. All of which goes out the window when both parties insist they never had sex, and it's solidified when detectives discover that it was somebody else who had blatantly taken advantage of her naivete and his position of power over her to manipulate her into sex, making it a clear-cut case of rape.
*** In the same episode, it isn't immediately clear that there ''was'' a rape (the girl is in her 20s, so there's no age of consent issues); initially, it appears that the baby may have been fathered by the girl's boyfriend, raising some fairly complex questions about whether or not the woman would have been capable of giving meaningful consent to sex if that is in fact what happened. All of which goes out the window when both parties insist they never had sex, and it's solidified when detectives discover that it was somebody else who had blatantly taken advantage of her naivete and his position of power over her to manipulate her into sex, making it a clear-cut case of rape.
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** A young woman with Down Syndrome is raped and impregnated, but wants to keep the baby. Her elderly mother, however, wants to abort, feeling she won't be around long enough to provide for both her daughter and grandchild. The detectives are caught up in the family drama as they search for the rapist... and eventually they do find him, and it turns out he's filthy rich. As such, the police decide to plea bargain him in exchange for lifetime child support, so everyone's happy.
***happy. In the same episode, it isn't immediately clear that there ''was'' a rape (the girl is in her 20s, so there's no age of consent issues); initially, it appears that the baby may have been fathered by the girl's boyfriend, raising some fairly complex questions about whether or not the woman would have been capable of giving meaningful consent to sex if that is in fact what happened. All of which goes out the window when both parties insist they never had sex, and it's solidified when detectives discover that it was somebody else who had blatantly taken advantage of her naivete and his position of power over her to manipulate her into sex, making it a clear-cut case of rape.
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*** This was actually the result of ExecutiveMeddling; in the original script, Phlox refuses a direct order from Archer to give the species in question the cure he has developed. The higher-ups were worried that a major conflict between the characters might upset the audience, so Archer's decision was changed at the last minute to agree with Phlox. Unfortunately, this had the opposite effect, as viewers began calling ProtagonistCenteredMorality.
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* ''Series/TheSopranos'': In the first episode of Season 3, the FBI is starting a very meticulous plan to plant a bug in the Soprano household. Two of the disguised FBI agents monitoring the house spot Patsy, one of Tony's underlings (who, unbeknownst to them, just had his twin brother whacked by Tony), approaching the house with a gun and start aiming at Tony from the backyard. The agents pull out their guns and are conflicted over whether or not to blow their cover and stop the murder attempt, or let him whack a notorious mafioso who has been nothing but an ugly stain on the New Jersey community. It's a moot point when Patsy chickens out and decides to just urinate in Tony's pool instead.
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* The third case of ''VisualNovel/DanganronpaV3KillingHarmony'' introduces a new rule to trials: if a double murder occurs, only the first killer is considered the culprit and can be punished. This opens the possibility of having an unambiguously guilty-as-sin culprit [[KarmaHoudini survive their trial by sheer luck that someone else acted sooner]], or needing to work alongside an admitted killer to expose another culprit. [[spoiler: Halfway into the trial the second victim's killer is revealed, and openly confesses to the crime. But the first murder hasn't been solved yet, leading to a series of debates where you have to side with them. But naturally they killed the first victim too, and are exposed and punished as normal]].
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* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'': At Castle Redcliffe, you learn that the Bann's young son Conner has been possessed by a demon due to lacking control over his budding magic powers. As said demon is also causing the town of Redcliffe to be constantly attacked by the undead, this obviously cannot continue. You are given multiple options, most of which have a very negative downside (make a deal with the demon, kill Conner, or use Conner's mother Isolde in a blood ritual that will cleanse Conner of the demon but kill her (with her consent). None of these options are great, and 2 of them end with Alistair giving you a MASSIVE chewing out (with big loss of approval) and the third causes Conner to be possessed again by the demon sometime down the line. However, there's a final option that makes all the above irrelevant. You can simply leave and go get help from the near by Mage's Circle, who will come with skilled mages/templars and lyrium, allowing them to purge Conner of the demon with no loss of life. Conner will be required to go live at the Circle for the rest of his life, but it's generally the best option he has available with Ferelden's situation. And there isn't even any time limit if you take this option, you can put off going to the tower for a long while and the Redcliffe situation won't change one bit.
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'':
** Averted -- no matter what stance you take in the overarching Mage vs Templar plot points, even a [[TakeAThirdOption neutral]] Hawke has to [[MortonsFork pick a side]] once [[spoiler: Anders [[NukeEm blows up]] the Chantry]], who, whilst governing both sides contains one of the few {{Reasonable Authority Figure}}s in the game. There is absolutely no way to avoid this.
** In a way its still played straight. In the end, regardless of whether you sided with Templars or Mages, you still have to kill both Orsino and Meredith when the former uses blood magic to turn into a Flesh Golem and the latter goes insane due to her sword made of Lyrium.
** Until the aversion comes at the end, however, it's played straight when it comes to the complaints of the Mages. Their complaints are never actually seriously addressed, because most of their arguments are "disqualified" for extenuating reasons. Anders, their primary advocate, is possessed by Justice and is portrayed as irrational, with even freedom advocate Isabela mostly brushing him off, so players can conveniently write him off and ignore anything he says as the words of a crazy abomination. The strongest argument the Mages have, that the Templars treat all Mages the same way and are willing to punish the innocent along with the guilty, is brushed off by Fenris "shifting the burden of proof", and almost every Mage you meet is an insane blood mage trying to kill you. Well, at least pro-Mage players can have their points addressed with Merrill... oh wait, she conveniently turns out to [[spoiler:accidentally unleash a Pride Demon on her clan in Act 3. Well, never mind anything ''she'' says then.]]
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'':
** Averted -- no matter what stance you take in the overarching Mage vs Templar plot points, even a [[TakeAThirdOption neutral]] Hawke has to [[MortonsFork pick a side]] once [[spoiler: Anders [[NukeEm blows up]] the Chantry]], who, whilst governing both sides contains one of the few {{Reasonable Authority Figure}}s in the game. There is absolutely no way to avoid this.
** In a way its still played straight. In the end, regardless of whether you sided with Templars or Mages, you still have to kill both Orsino and Meredith when the former uses blood magic to turn into a Flesh Golem and the latter goes insane due to her sword made of Lyrium.
** Until the aversion comes at the end, however, it's played straight when it comes to the complaints of the Mages. Their complaints are never actually seriously addressed, because most of their arguments are "disqualified" for extenuating reasons. Anders, their primary advocate, is possessed by Justice and is portrayed as irrational, with even freedom advocate Isabela mostly brushing him off, so players can conveniently write him off and ignore anything he says as the words of a crazy abomination. The strongest argument the Mages have, that the Templars treat all Mages the same way and are willing to punish the innocent along with the guilty, is brushed off by Fenris "shifting the burden of proof", and almost every Mage you meet is an insane blood mage trying to kill you. Well, at least pro-Mage players can have their points addressed with Merrill... oh wait, she conveniently turns out to [[spoiler:accidentally unleash a Pride Demon on her clan in Act 3. Well, never mind anything ''she'' says then.]]
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* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'': At Castle Redcliffe, you learn that the Bann's young son Conner has been possessed by a demon due to lacking control over his budding magic powers. As said Said demon is also causing the town of Redcliffe to be constantly attacked by the undead, this obviously cannot continue. undead. You are given multiple options, most of which have a very negative downside clear downsides (make a deal with the demon, demon knowing it'll be back for him one day, kill Conner, or use let Conner's mother Isolde sacrifice herself in a blood ritual that will cleanse Conner of the demon but kill her (with her consent). demon). None of these options are great, and 2 two of them end with Alistair giving you a MASSIVE chewing out (with big loss of approval) and the third causes Conner to be possessed again by the demon sometime down the line. Alistair's approval dropping sharply. However, there's a final option that makes all the above irrelevant. You irrelevant: you can simply leave and go get help from the near by Mage's Circle, Circle of Magi, who will come with skilled mages/templars and lyrium, allowing them to purge Conner of the demon with no loss of life. Conner will be required to go live at the Circle for the rest of his life, but it's generally the best option he has available with Ferelden's situation. And there isn't even any time limit if you take this option, you can put off going to the tower for a long while and the Redcliffe situation won't change one bit.
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''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'':
**Averted -- no matter what stance you take in the overarching Mage vs Templar plot points, even a [[TakeAThirdOption neutral]] Hawke has to [[MortonsFork pick a side]] once [[spoiler: Anders [[NukeEm blows up]] the Chantry]], who, whilst governing both sides contains one of the few {{Reasonable Authority Figure}}s in the game. There is absolutely no way to avoid this.
** In a way its still played straight.In the end, regardless of whether you Hawke sided with Templars or Mages, you still have to kill both mages, Orsino and Meredith become boss fights when the former uses blood magic to turn into a Flesh Golem horrible corpse monster that attacks you and the latter goes insane due to her sword made of Lyrium.
** Until the aversion comes at the end, however, it's played straight when it comes to the complaints of the Mages. Their complaints are never actually seriously addressed, because most oflyrium and attacks you. What prompts their arguments are "disqualified" for extenuating reasons. Anders, their primary advocate, is possessed by Justice and is portrayed as irrational, with even freedom advocate Isabela mostly brushing him off, so players can conveniently write him off and ignore anything he says as the words of a crazy abomination. The strongest argument the Mages have, that the Templars treat all Mages the same turn will change slightly depending on your choice, but either way and are willing Orsino is revealed to punish the innocent along have been knowingly colluding with the guilty, is brushed off by Fenris "shifting the burden of proof", and almost every Mage you meet is an insane blood mage trying who murdered Hawke's mother, and Meredith used tainted lyrium Hawke brought to kill you. Well, at least pro-Mage players can have their points addressed with Merrill... oh wait, she conveniently turns Kirkwall that ultimately overcomes and destroys her. No one comes out to [[spoiler:accidentally unleash a Pride Demon on her clan in Act 3. Well, never mind anything ''she'' says then.]]of it looking good, including Hawke.
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* Defied in ''ComicBook/{{Champions|2016}}'' issue 5. The Champions encounter a small town whose influential sheriff is a majorly bigoted man. [[ComicBook/TheUnbelievableGwenpool Gwenpool]] drops in and causes her usual brand of chaos against the police. The team pulls her away and hits her with a WhatTheHellHero. She explains that she's more than certain that some type of supervillain is masterminding this; there's no way normal people could be so bigoted because [[MediumAwareness it's a comic book!]] ComicBook/KamalaKhan explains that things aren't so black and white, and that normal people can be evil without the aid of supervillains. [[spoiler:Indeed, the man is heavily bigoted and is only brought down when [[TheDogBitesBack his beleaguered deputy finally blows the whistle on him]].]]
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* ''ComicBook/{{Champions|MarvelComics}}'': Defied in ''ComicBook/{{Champions|2016}}'' issue 5. The ''ComicBook/Champions2016'' #5, when the Champions encounter a small town whose influential sheriff is a majorly bigoted man. [[ComicBook/TheUnbelievableGwenpool Gwenpool]] drops in and causes her usual brand of chaos against the police. The team pulls her away and hits her with a WhatTheHellHero. She explains that she's more than certain that some type of supervillain is masterminding this; there's no way normal people could be so bigoted because [[MediumAwareness it's a comic book!]] ComicBook/KamalaKhan explains that things aren't so black and white, and that normal people can be evil without the aid of supervillains. [[spoiler:Indeed, the man is heavily bigoted and is only brought down when [[TheDogBitesBack his beleaguered deputy finally blows the whistle on him]].]]
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* [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] with ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' villain Cardiac: Spider-Man foiled his attempt to murder his latest target, a CorruptCorporateExecutive who escaped blame after a family died in an auto accident from his faulty brakes, but the guy suffers a heart attack and they send him to Eli Wirtham, the best heart surgeon in town. Problem is, Eli Wirtham ''is'' Cardiac, and he's being asked to save the life of the guy he just tried to kill. He knows he could do it and get away with it, but should he kill him? [[spoiler:He doesn't, or at least he tries not to; the guy dies anyway. But Eli can't help but wonder if he held back during the surgery even just a little, and if that makes him any better than the "indirect" murderers he hunts down as Cardiac.]]
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* ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'': [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] with ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' villain Cardiac: Spider-Man foiled his attempt to murder his latest target, a CorruptCorporateExecutive who escaped blame after a family died in an auto accident from his faulty brakes, but the guy suffers a heart attack and they send him to Eli Wirtham, the best heart surgeon in town. Problem is, Eli Wirtham ''is'' Cardiac, and he's being asked to save the life of the guy he just tried to kill. He knows he could do it and get away with it, but should he kill him? [[spoiler:He doesn't, or at least he tries not to; the guy dies anyway. But Eli can't help but wonder if he held back during the surgery even just a little, and if that makes him any better than the "indirect" murderers he hunts down as Cardiac.]]
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* ''Anime/{{Monster}}'' does this, although it must be noted that the moral ambiguities it toys with have been debated for centuries and probably will continue to be debated for centuries after: Is all life equal? Do some people deserve to die? Is it right to kill a killer? Is evil irredeemable?
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* ''Anime/{{Monster}}'' ''Manga/{{Monster}}'' does this, although it must be noted that the moral ambiguities it toys with have been debated for centuries and probably will continue to be debated for centuries after: Is all life equal? Do some people deserve to die? Is it right to kill a killer? Is evil irredeemable?
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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'': In "Babel", Shriek temporarily released a high-pitch frequency pulse throughout Gotham, causing chaos by making speaking incomprehensible and threatened a repeat performance using a more powerful pulse that would kill everyone unless Batman gave himself up to him. Terry wrestled with the morality of sacrificing one life for many, versus the loss his friends and loved ones would experience, and the disgust of sacrificing himself for the [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]] populace of Gotham, who [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer side with Shriek and insist Batman was at fault and should give in to his demand]]. [[spoiler:Terry figures out Shriek is using two giant towers as a tuning fork and confronts him at his base of operations, destroying the towers in the process]]. Bruce asks him at the end if Terry would have given himself up had he not figured out where Shriek was and Terry [[spoiler:evades the question, telling him to focus on their repair of the batsuit.]]
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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'': In "Babel", "[[Recap/BatmanBeyondS2E12Babel Babel]]", Shriek temporarily released a high-pitch frequency pulse throughout Gotham, causing chaos by making speaking incomprehensible and threatened a repeat performance using a more powerful pulse that would kill everyone unless Batman gave himself up to him. Terry wrestled with the morality of sacrificing one life for many, versus the loss his friends and loved ones would experience, and the disgust of sacrificing himself for the [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]] populace of Gotham, who [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer side with Shriek and insist Batman was at fault and should give in to his demand]]. [[spoiler:Terry figures out Shriek is using two giant towers as a tuning fork and confronts him at his base of operations, destroying the towers in the process]]. Bruce asks him at the end if Terry would have given himself up had he not figured out where Shriek was and Terry [[spoiler:evades the question, telling him to focus on their repair of the batsuit.]]
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* The level of responsibility Arthas has in ''Franchise/{{Warcraft}}'' was a matter of fierce debate among fans. One side argued that he killed just about everyone who cared about him, destroyed his own kingdom and led an army of the dead to purge the world of the living. Not a great look. The other side points out that almost all of this is the result of a cursed artifact stealing his soul: He was just one of the first victims of the Scourge himself and from that point forward had no moral agency. When the ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' Shadowlands expansion came out the writing neatly sidesteps the issue by saying yes, he's burning in the setting's hell equivalent right now, but specifically because someone broke the rules to send him there before he could be judged for his crimes. And at the end of the expansion, his soul just poofs out of existence rather than answer whether he deserves to be in hell or whether he should be in the setting's equivalent to purgatory.
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* ''Series/StarTrekPicard'': Season's 3's "Dominion" has a grim sequence where Vadic describes her torture and that of the other Changelings at the hands of Section 31. Picard looks deeply troubled for all of thirty seconds before he and Beverly decide, albeit with some difficulty, to execute her anyways. This is never brought up again, and the Changeling plot is mostly an afterthought by the end of the season.
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* ''Series/StarTrekPicard'': Season's 3's "Dominion" has a grim sequence where Vadic describes [[ColdBloodedTorture her torture torture]] and that of the other Changelings at the hands of [[NoSuchAgency Section 31.31]]. Picard looks deeply troubled for all of thirty seconds before he and Beverly decide, albeit with some difficulty, to execute her anyways. This is never brought up again, and the Changeling plot is mostly an afterthought by the end of the season.
