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* [[spoiler:Armstrong]] dismissing Raiden's HF Blade as a knife before breaking it might be just to show off [[spoiler:how powerful his nanomachines are]], but not only is the sword's broken blade roughly the length of a knife, the very first weapon Raiden ever wielded in his childhood was a knife.
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* [[spoiler:Armstrong]] dismissing Raiden's HF Blade as a knife before breaking it might be just to show off [[spoiler:how powerful his nanomachines are]], but not only is the sword's broken blade roughly the length of a knife, the very first weapon Raiden ever wielded in his childhood was a knife.knife.
*For all how he boasts about his nanomachine-laced body, at least one talented hacker can reduce Stevey-head's muscles into a wirely, powerless husk - or ''worse''.
*For all how he boasts about his nanomachine-laced body, at least one talented hacker can reduce Stevey-head's muscles into a wirely, powerless husk - or ''worse''.
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** Blade Wolf is shown to be able to [[AIIsaCrapshoot modify his own directives and develop his own desires as a human-level AI]]. He'd be able to see the cyclical reasoning of that directive ("I must obey Desperado [[CircularReasoning because I must obey Desperado.]]") and change it to better fulfill his other directives and personal desires of self-preservation and freedom. Even if you have a well-trained dog in real life, you still keep it on a leash in public to stop it running off where you don't want it to.
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** Blade Wolf is shown to be able to [[AIIsaCrapshoot modify his own directives and develop his own desires as a human-level AI]]. He'd be able to see the cyclical reasoning of that directive ("I must obey Desperado [[CircularReasoning because I must obey Desperado.]]") and change it to better fulfill his other directives and personal desires of self-preservation and freedom. Even if you have a well-trained dog in real life, you still keep it on a leash in public to stop it running off where you don't want it to.to.
* Boris will constantly remind Raiden that "this is not a sneaking mission", referencing how ''Metal Gear Rising'' is an action game rather than your typical ''Metal Gear Solid'' game. In one occasion, enemy cyborgs attempt to ambush Raiden using stealth camouflage, but Boris (rather correctly) states that it is useless against Raiden.
* When fighting Sam in the [[HopelessBossFight unwinnable fight]] on the train, he [[EyeScream slices out Raiden's eye]] with an upwards vertical slash. What's interesting is that if you look at Sam's face, he has a scar in the exact same place. It seems like Sam has had this attack used on him in the past, and may even have [[PowerCopying learned from said attack]].
** According to one [=YouTube=] comment:
-->'''[=Raedon01:=]''' i just noticed something, see the scar on sam's left eye? it's the same side and direction of attack that he used on Raiden. i wonder if it was a speciality technique sam learned from his father. just something to think about."
* Armstrong gives some points to the University of Texas when fighting Raiden. According to the gallery section of the Piggyback Guide's Collector's Edition, the staff explains that the cybernetic functions were based on research made by the same university.
** Said Collector's Edition gives multiple reasons for Raiden losing his eye and covering it with an eyepatch. Shinkawa desgined it as a way to prove Raiden has lost part of his humanity, but still retains some (compare a concept originally used for ''Solid: Rising'' where Raiden was just covering his face), while the director wanted it to be the first step of Raiden's transformation into his darker personality. The scar Raiden has on his face is identical to Sam's. In TheStinger, Raiden being given a proper second eye again[[note]](the eyepatch had image sensors on it, but was by no means a substitute for an actual eyeball)[[/note]] could symbolize how he has lost his insecurities and is no longer afraid to show his face.
* During the fight with Metal Gear EXCELSUS, [[spoiler:Senator Armstrong]]'s theme is "Collective Consciousness", a song imploring the citizens of the United States to give up free will and "let your country control your soul". When you fight him face-to-face, the music changes to "It Has To Be This Way", a bitter acknowledgement of the similarities between him and Raiden. Prior to said fight, he reveals his anarchic leanings and that he wants to free America from its weakness and allow true freedom, meaning his true theme was always "It Has To Be This Way"--"Collective Consciousness" was him ''mocking'' the political climate of America, made more apparent when you listen to his rant after the Excelsus boss fight.
* Only theoretical, but given [[spoiler:Armstrong]]'s absurd strength and resilience, one would think an old, traditional soldier like Solid Snake wouldn't stand a chance in hell against him... until you remember how he defeated a similar nanotech-based super-vampire in ''Metal Gear Solid 4''. Naturally, since Raiden doesn't have a syringe of suppressor nanomachines, he has to do things the old-fashioned way. And what a fight it is.
* Sunny's unwavering belief in Raiden's heroism makes a lot of sense when you recall that Raiden is the one who saved her from the Patriots in the first place. No matter what, Jack will always be ''her'' hero.
* We all like to think of Raiden as the (anti-)hero of the story who was ultimately in the right, but his opponents, especially [[spoiler:Senator Armstrong after their final battle]], seem to think that Raiden wasn't so different. They lived by the code that [[MightMakesRight if you were strong enough, you could carve your own path and make your own rules, and the only way anyone had any right to stop you was if they were stronger than you]]. The ironic thing is that Raiden ends the game essentially as the top dog, being in full control of his destiny because no one had the power to stop him. Is Raiden not unlike his enemies after all? It would appear so.
* Throughout the game, take a look at each battle you fight and you'll see that the fighting styles of each boss you fight show a devolving process in terms of weaponry. You start out with giant war machines (Metal Gear RAY, and Khamsin's mecha too if you want to go chronologically), then move on to Blade Wolf and Mistral, who don't stick out too much but are, anatomically speaking, the most complex and advanced. Monsoon instead uses sai and smoke bombs, and Sundowner fights basically with swords, shields, and brute force. Then move on to Sam, who fights with a sword and his bare hands. Finally, after EXCELSUS, you fight the real boss--[[spoiler:Armstrong]], who fights with nothing but his fists.
** The boss fights show an evolution in levels of the cultish [[TheSocialDarwinist "strong prey upon the weak" ideology]] among World Marshal's leaders. RAY is a weapon in service of their belief. Khamsin is a blind believer in World Marshal's rhetoric that they fight for freedom, as he's not considered worthy enough to know their true goals. Blade Wolf is enslaved by their tenets and doesn't know why it's that way. Mistral is a fresh convert to the cause who's rejoicing in the purpose she now has. Monsoon is someone who actively preaches his understanding of the nihilistic doctrine, along with trying to bring new believers into the fold. Sundowner leads the cult in its operations and believes in World Marshall's idea of MightMakesRight, but works to bring about their heaven for [[WarHawk selfish]] [[BloodKnight reasons]]. Sam was [[spoiler:forcefully converted and willingly gave up his individual freedom, but is trying to find someone [[SuicideByCop strong enough to kill him]]]]. [[spoiler:Armstrong]] is the one who created their ideology and convinced the Winds of Destruction to join him, embodies it through body and mind, and is striving towards his idea of paradise on Earth because he believes it's the only way to save his country.
** George's reference to the [[Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles TMNT]] movie was amusing by itself, but it gets funnier once you realize three of the Winds of Destruction are essentially using the Turtles' weapons. Jetstream Sam uses a sword (Leonardo), Monsoon uses sais (Raphael), and Mistral uses a staff (Donatello). The odd one out is Sundowner, who uses pincer blades instead of nunchaku (Michelangelo), and even then, he can couple them together to form what looks like giant bladed nunchaku, though they function more like giant scissors.
* Parallels exist between ''Peace Walker'' and ''Revengeance'': the Peace Sentinels and Desperado Enforcement LLC are both antagonistic private military organizations who intend to cause chaos for their own reasons and have a [[RedAndBlackAndEvilAllOver red and black]] color scheme. On the other side of the spectrum, the MSF and Maverick are heroic [=PMCs=] who primarily consist of soldiers who have nowhere else to go to and take contracts that are more defensive in nature. The same parallels also show up in The Phantom Pain; a recently formed small-time private military group at the forefront of which is a hero who gradually descends into a violent demon of battle, fighting against an insidious US-based group [[spoiler:led by a government official who, with the help of a Metal Gear, plans to create a world controlled by sheer destructive potential.]] Even the meta shows some parallel growth, both deviating from the series' trademark stealth shooting and wacky jokes into a much more action-oriented, mainstream genre with stealth components and serious, gritty plotlines regarding child soldiers and [[WarForFunAndProfit war profiteering]].
* It is rather amusing that the Patriots were working on a perpetual motion machine (as Doktor reveals). The Patriots claimed in ''[=MGS2=]'' that they would always exist and that their [[MemeticsInFiction memes]] would always reside within America, in effect creating a psychological form of perpetual motion. Doktor notes that they were close to succeeding in this perpetual motion machine, but its success was ultimately halted when they were destroyed. The irony, of course, is that the Patriots failed to create both forms of perpetual motion.
** However, one of the things mentioned by Sundowner and Armstrong is that while the Patriots and their war economy may be gone, their memes are still alive and well. The military industrial complex, and certainly [=PMC=]s like World Marshal and Desperado, are only around and were only able to get as big as they have thanks to the system the Patriots first set up after all, and the Patriots' ideas of information control and advertisements lead directly to World Marshal's success. Armstrong even goes so far as proclaim that "[they're] ''all'' Sons of the Patriots now". So, in a way, while the Patriots may not have finished their version of perpetual motion, it didn't die with them either.
* The game's tagline of "cut at will, cut what you will", while seemingly remarking on the Blade Mode mechanic, is also quite an apt description of the game's themes, too; Raiden is able to determine his own destiny via eliminating obstacles using his blade.
* [[spoiler:Armstrong]] dismissing Raiden's HF Blade as a knife before breaking it might be just to show off [[spoiler:how powerful his nanomachines are]], but not only is the sword's broken blade roughly the length of a knife, the very first weapon Raiden ever wielded in his childhood was a knife.
* Boris will constantly remind Raiden that "this is not a sneaking mission", referencing how ''Metal Gear Rising'' is an action game rather than your typical ''Metal Gear Solid'' game. In one occasion, enemy cyborgs attempt to ambush Raiden using stealth camouflage, but Boris (rather correctly) states that it is useless against Raiden.
* When fighting Sam in the [[HopelessBossFight unwinnable fight]] on the train, he [[EyeScream slices out Raiden's eye]] with an upwards vertical slash. What's interesting is that if you look at Sam's face, he has a scar in the exact same place. It seems like Sam has had this attack used on him in the past, and may even have [[PowerCopying learned from said attack]].
** According to one [=YouTube=] comment:
-->'''[=Raedon01:=]''' i just noticed something, see the scar on sam's left eye? it's the same side and direction of attack that he used on Raiden. i wonder if it was a speciality technique sam learned from his father. just something to think about."
* Armstrong gives some points to the University of Texas when fighting Raiden. According to the gallery section of the Piggyback Guide's Collector's Edition, the staff explains that the cybernetic functions were based on research made by the same university.
** Said Collector's Edition gives multiple reasons for Raiden losing his eye and covering it with an eyepatch. Shinkawa desgined it as a way to prove Raiden has lost part of his humanity, but still retains some (compare a concept originally used for ''Solid: Rising'' where Raiden was just covering his face), while the director wanted it to be the first step of Raiden's transformation into his darker personality. The scar Raiden has on his face is identical to Sam's. In TheStinger, Raiden being given a proper second eye again[[note]](the eyepatch had image sensors on it, but was by no means a substitute for an actual eyeball)[[/note]] could symbolize how he has lost his insecurities and is no longer afraid to show his face.
* During the fight with Metal Gear EXCELSUS, [[spoiler:Senator Armstrong]]'s theme is "Collective Consciousness", a song imploring the citizens of the United States to give up free will and "let your country control your soul". When you fight him face-to-face, the music changes to "It Has To Be This Way", a bitter acknowledgement of the similarities between him and Raiden. Prior to said fight, he reveals his anarchic leanings and that he wants to free America from its weakness and allow true freedom, meaning his true theme was always "It Has To Be This Way"--"Collective Consciousness" was him ''mocking'' the political climate of America, made more apparent when you listen to his rant after the Excelsus boss fight.
* Only theoretical, but given [[spoiler:Armstrong]]'s absurd strength and resilience, one would think an old, traditional soldier like Solid Snake wouldn't stand a chance in hell against him... until you remember how he defeated a similar nanotech-based super-vampire in ''Metal Gear Solid 4''. Naturally, since Raiden doesn't have a syringe of suppressor nanomachines, he has to do things the old-fashioned way. And what a fight it is.
* Sunny's unwavering belief in Raiden's heroism makes a lot of sense when you recall that Raiden is the one who saved her from the Patriots in the first place. No matter what, Jack will always be ''her'' hero.
* We all like to think of Raiden as the (anti-)hero of the story who was ultimately in the right, but his opponents, especially [[spoiler:Senator Armstrong after their final battle]], seem to think that Raiden wasn't so different. They lived by the code that [[MightMakesRight if you were strong enough, you could carve your own path and make your own rules, and the only way anyone had any right to stop you was if they were stronger than you]]. The ironic thing is that Raiden ends the game essentially as the top dog, being in full control of his destiny because no one had the power to stop him. Is Raiden not unlike his enemies after all? It would appear so.
* Throughout the game, take a look at each battle you fight and you'll see that the fighting styles of each boss you fight show a devolving process in terms of weaponry. You start out with giant war machines (Metal Gear RAY, and Khamsin's mecha too if you want to go chronologically), then move on to Blade Wolf and Mistral, who don't stick out too much but are, anatomically speaking, the most complex and advanced. Monsoon instead uses sai and smoke bombs, and Sundowner fights basically with swords, shields, and brute force. Then move on to Sam, who fights with a sword and his bare hands. Finally, after EXCELSUS, you fight the real boss--[[spoiler:Armstrong]], who fights with nothing but his fists.
** The boss fights show an evolution in levels of the cultish [[TheSocialDarwinist "strong prey upon the weak" ideology]] among World Marshal's leaders. RAY is a weapon in service of their belief. Khamsin is a blind believer in World Marshal's rhetoric that they fight for freedom, as he's not considered worthy enough to know their true goals. Blade Wolf is enslaved by their tenets and doesn't know why it's that way. Mistral is a fresh convert to the cause who's rejoicing in the purpose she now has. Monsoon is someone who actively preaches his understanding of the nihilistic doctrine, along with trying to bring new believers into the fold. Sundowner leads the cult in its operations and believes in World Marshall's idea of MightMakesRight, but works to bring about their heaven for [[WarHawk selfish]] [[BloodKnight reasons]]. Sam was [[spoiler:forcefully converted and willingly gave up his individual freedom, but is trying to find someone [[SuicideByCop strong enough to kill him]]]]. [[spoiler:Armstrong]] is the one who created their ideology and convinced the Winds of Destruction to join him, embodies it through body and mind, and is striving towards his idea of paradise on Earth because he believes it's the only way to save his country.
** George's reference to the [[Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles TMNT]] movie was amusing by itself, but it gets funnier once you realize three of the Winds of Destruction are essentially using the Turtles' weapons. Jetstream Sam uses a sword (Leonardo), Monsoon uses sais (Raphael), and Mistral uses a staff (Donatello). The odd one out is Sundowner, who uses pincer blades instead of nunchaku (Michelangelo), and even then, he can couple them together to form what looks like giant bladed nunchaku, though they function more like giant scissors.
* Parallels exist between ''Peace Walker'' and ''Revengeance'': the Peace Sentinels and Desperado Enforcement LLC are both antagonistic private military organizations who intend to cause chaos for their own reasons and have a [[RedAndBlackAndEvilAllOver red and black]] color scheme. On the other side of the spectrum, the MSF and Maverick are heroic [=PMCs=] who primarily consist of soldiers who have nowhere else to go to and take contracts that are more defensive in nature. The same parallels also show up in The Phantom Pain; a recently formed small-time private military group at the forefront of which is a hero who gradually descends into a violent demon of battle, fighting against an insidious US-based group [[spoiler:led by a government official who, with the help of a Metal Gear, plans to create a world controlled by sheer destructive potential.]] Even the meta shows some parallel growth, both deviating from the series' trademark stealth shooting and wacky jokes into a much more action-oriented, mainstream genre with stealth components and serious, gritty plotlines regarding child soldiers and [[WarForFunAndProfit war profiteering]].
* It is rather amusing that the Patriots were working on a perpetual motion machine (as Doktor reveals). The Patriots claimed in ''[=MGS2=]'' that they would always exist and that their [[MemeticsInFiction memes]] would always reside within America, in effect creating a psychological form of perpetual motion. Doktor notes that they were close to succeeding in this perpetual motion machine, but its success was ultimately halted when they were destroyed. The irony, of course, is that the Patriots failed to create both forms of perpetual motion.
** However, one of the things mentioned by Sundowner and Armstrong is that while the Patriots and their war economy may be gone, their memes are still alive and well. The military industrial complex, and certainly [=PMC=]s like World Marshal and Desperado, are only around and were only able to get as big as they have thanks to the system the Patriots first set up after all, and the Patriots' ideas of information control and advertisements lead directly to World Marshal's success. Armstrong even goes so far as proclaim that "[they're] ''all'' Sons of the Patriots now". So, in a way, while the Patriots may not have finished their version of perpetual motion, it didn't die with them either.
* The game's tagline of "cut at will, cut what you will", while seemingly remarking on the Blade Mode mechanic, is also quite an apt description of the game's themes, too; Raiden is able to determine his own destiny via eliminating obstacles using his blade.
* [[spoiler:Armstrong]] dismissing Raiden's HF Blade as a knife before breaking it might be just to show off [[spoiler:how powerful his nanomachines are]], but not only is the sword's broken blade roughly the length of a knife, the very first weapon Raiden ever wielded in his childhood was a knife.
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** Another possibility is that they DID rebuild the chainsaw, but Wolf decided to leave it behind and begin operating under a new set of parameters. Both out of his primary directive (self-preservation would naturally incline one towards avoiding direct combat), and out of his own philosophical decisions about conflict and such.
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** It's also likely that Raiden laid the blade to rest alongside Sam, as a final gesture of respect for a man he saw as a worthy opponent.
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** Blade Wolf is shown to be able to [[AIIsaCrapshoot modify his own directives and develop his own desires as a human-level AI]]. He'd be able to see the cyclical reasoning of that directive ("I must obey Desperado [[CircularReasoning because I must obey Desperado]]") and change it to better fulfill his other directives and personal desires of self-preservation and freedom. Even if you have a well-trianed dog in real life, you still keep it on a leash in public to stop it running off where you don't want it to.
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** Blade Wolf is shown to be able to [[AIIsaCrapshoot modify his own directives and develop his own desires as a human-level AI]]. He'd be able to see the cyclical reasoning of that directive ("I must obey Desperado [[CircularReasoning because I must obey Desperado]]") Desperado.]]") and change it to better fulfill his other directives and personal desires of self-preservation and freedom. Even if you have a well-trianed well-trained dog in real life, you still keep it on a leash in public to stop it running off where you don't want it to.
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* So Desperado controls Blade Wolf by threatening to wipe its memory if it disobeys orders, which it doesn't want to happen because it was programmed with a sort of self-preservation instinct. ("Directive 01 is to ensure all data is preserved and passed along.") But if you're able to program an AI with a goal as abstract as self-preservation... why not just cut out the middleman and make its primary goal "follow Desperado's orders" instead? Its a lot less complicated solution and it would have made it impossible for Blade Wolf to rebel, because it wouldn't have ''wanted'' to rebel.
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* So Desperado controls Blade Wolf by threatening to wipe its memory if it disobeys orders, which it doesn't want to happen because it was programmed with a sort of self-preservation instinct. ("Directive 01 is to ensure all data is preserved and passed along.") But if you're able to program an AI with a goal as abstract as self-preservation... why not just cut out the middleman and make its primary goal "follow Desperado's orders" instead? Its a lot less complicated solution and it would have made it impossible for Blade Wolf to rebel, because it wouldn't have ''wanted'' to rebel.rebel.
** Blade Wolf is shown to be able to [[AIIsaCrapshoot modify his own directives and develop his own desires as a human-level AI]]. He'd be able to see the cyclical reasoning of that directive ("I must obey Desperado [[CircularReasoning because I must obey Desperado]]") and change it to better fulfill his other directives and personal desires of self-preservation and freedom. Even if you have a well-trianed dog in real life, you still keep it on a leash in public to stop it running off where you don't want it to.
** Blade Wolf is shown to be able to [[AIIsaCrapshoot modify his own directives and develop his own desires as a human-level AI]]. He'd be able to see the cyclical reasoning of that directive ("I must obey Desperado [[CircularReasoning because I must obey Desperado]]") and change it to better fulfill his other directives and personal desires of self-preservation and freedom. Even if you have a well-trianed dog in real life, you still keep it on a leash in public to stop it running off where you don't want it to.
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* So Desperado controls Blade Wolf by threatening to wipe its memory if it disobeys orders, because it was programmed with a sort of self-preservation instinct. ("Directive 01 is to ensure all data is preserved and passed along.") But if you're able to program an AI with a goal as abstract as self-preservation... why not just cut out the middleman and make its primary goal "follow Desperado's orders" instead? Its a lot less complicated solution and it would have made it impossible for Blade Wolf to rebel, because it wouldn't have ''wanted'' to rebel.
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* So Desperado controls Blade Wolf by threatening to wipe its memory if it disobeys orders, which it doesn't want to happen because it was programmed with a sort of self-preservation instinct. ("Directive 01 is to ensure all data is preserved and passed along.") But if you're able to program an AI with a goal as abstract as self-preservation... why not just cut out the middleman and make its primary goal "follow Desperado's orders" instead? Its a lot less complicated solution and it would have made it impossible for Blade Wolf to rebel, because it wouldn't have ''wanted'' to rebel.
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* So Desperado controls Blade Wolf by threatening to wipe its memory if it disobeys orders, because it was programmed with a sort of self-preservation instinct. ("Directive 01 is to ensure all data is preserved and passed along.") But if you're able to program an AI with a directive as abstract as that... why not just cut out the middleman and make its primary directive "follow Desperado's orders"? Its a lot less complicated solution and it would have made it impossible for Blade Wolf to rebel, because it wouldn't have ''wanted'' to rebel.
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* So Desperado controls Blade Wolf by threatening to wipe its memory if it disobeys orders, because it was programmed with a sort of self-preservation instinct. ("Directive 01 is to ensure all data is preserved and passed along.") But if you're able to program an AI with a directive goal as abstract as that... self-preservation... why not just cut out the middleman and make its primary directive goal "follow Desperado's orders"? orders" instead? Its a lot less complicated solution and it would have made it impossible for Blade Wolf to rebel, because it wouldn't have ''wanted'' to rebel.
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** Also, [[RealityIsUnrealistic even in real life]], it's common for US police forces, or even the US military, to use foreign-made guns. The Beretta M9, the US military's primary handgun since 1985, is made by a firm called Fabbrica d'Armi Pietro Beretta, which is an Italian company.
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** Also, [[RealityIsUnrealistic even in real life]], it's common for US police forces, or even the US military, to use foreign-made guns. The Beretta M9, the US military's primary handgun since 1985, is made by a firm called Fabbrica d'Armi Pietro Beretta, which is an Italian company.company.
* So Desperado controls Blade Wolf by threatening to wipe its memory if it disobeys orders, because it was programmed with a sort of self-preservation instinct. ("Directive 01 is to ensure all data is preserved and passed along.") But if you're able to program an AI with a directive as abstract as that... why not just cut out the middleman and make its primary directive "follow Desperado's orders"? Its a lot less complicated solution and it would have made it impossible for Blade Wolf to rebel, because it wouldn't have ''wanted'' to rebel.
* So Desperado controls Blade Wolf by threatening to wipe its memory if it disobeys orders, because it was programmed with a sort of self-preservation instinct. ("Directive 01 is to ensure all data is preserved and passed along.") But if you're able to program an AI with a directive as abstract as that... why not just cut out the middleman and make its primary directive "follow Desperado's orders"? Its a lot less complicated solution and it would have made it impossible for Blade Wolf to rebel, because it wouldn't have ''wanted'' to rebel.
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** Also, [[RealityIsUnrealistic even in real life]], it's common for US police forces, or even the US military, to use foreign-made guns. The Beretta M9, the US military's primary handgun since 1985, is made by a firm called Fabbrica d'Armi Pietro Beretta, which I am pretty sure is not an American company.
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** Also, [[RealityIsUnrealistic even in real life]], it's common for US police forces, or even the US military, to use foreign-made guns. The Beretta M9, the US military's primary handgun since 1985, is made by a firm called Fabbrica d'Armi Pietro Beretta, which I am pretty sure is not an American Italian company.
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* Why are everybody (but Raiden specially) surprised that Bladewolf was a sentient AI capable of speech and communication, when the Patriots were exactly that? Raiden spent an undetermined amount of time speaking to the AI Colonel Campbell.
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* Why are is everybody (but Raiden specially) (especially Raiden) surprised that Bladewolf was a sentient AI capable of speech and communication, when the Patriots were exactly that? Raiden spent an undetermined amount of time speaking to the AI Colonel Campbell.
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*** They are very similar, just not on a surface level. Both Raiden and Armstrong are {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s who are willing to make great sacrifices to realize their ideals. Armstrong is willing to exploit the war economy he despises in order to gain the money and influence he needs to rebuild America in his own image, free from the lingering legacy of the Patriots. Raiden by the end of the game becomes a roving vigilante willing to stage unsanctioned one man interventions into sovereign countries to dole out vigilante justice, which results in the deaths of dozens, if not hundreds of combatants in the name of justice and world peace. In the very last scene, Raiden even acknowledges how similar he is to Armstrong when he [[IronicEcho repeats one of Armstrong's lines]] as he continues his vigilante crusade against World Marshal.
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**Sam also practices a completely different sword school from Raiden. A sword useful for Sam's school is not necessarily useful for Raiden's.
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**The electrolytes are also coming from self repair units, noted to be filled with a standard mix of both electrolytes and repair nanomachines, used by basically every military outfit out there. Considering that electrolyte solutions can also be used in various machine-based applications, they probably just picked an electrolyte solutions that both cyborg bodies and helicopters need to function.
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***''What happens to George in that situation if Raiden doesn't disable the scientist in one strike?'' It was probably more appealing as a 'sure thing' in the heat of the moment because Raiden knew he could preserve half a human body with the machines in the other room. You can't preserve someone with a bullet where their brain should be.
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***It's revealed in a codec call that HF blades are made by running a high frequency vibration through an existing sword. Sam's ID lock both turns off the vibration ''and'' locks his sword in the sheath.
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**In order to do that, he has to rip out live wires and grab them with his bare hands. If he could just rip out Raiden's wires and hold them in his hands, Raiden's ''already dead.''
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* Not exactly a Headscratcher, but does anyone else think that the music that plays in the Japanese garden sounds almost identical to one of the Ganbare Goemon themes?
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* Why is Armstrong considered NotSoDifferent from Raiden ? They were born in different country, diffrent social status, their childhood/upbringing were extremly differents, their goals are different, their means to attain these goals are different, their fighting styles are different and not even their looks are similars.
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* Why is Armstrong considered NotSoDifferent to be not so different from Raiden ? Raiden? They were born in different country, diffrent countries, different social status, their childhood/upbringing were extremly differents, extremely different, their goals are different, their means to attain these goals are different, their fighting styles are different and not even their looks are similars.similar.
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**** Armstrong could be referring to Raiden breaking himself out of that cycle; he does say that "with [his] own two hands, [Raiden] took back [his] life!," to which Raiden has no response to besides "And now, I'll take yours."
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** They're not similar at all; Armstrong is a bullshitter. People repeat his rhetoric because apparently even out-of-universe people are easily fooled by him. Raiden points this out in-game, of course.
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* It seems odd that Sundowner would want or need a "second" WarOnTerror. We're still fighting the first one, and likely will be by the time 2018 rolls around for real.
** In our timeline, yes. In the ''Metal Gear'' timeline, TheWarOnTerror was superseded by the War Economy.
** In our timeline, yes. In the ''Metal Gear'' timeline, TheWarOnTerror was superseded by the War Economy.
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* It seems odd that Sundowner would want or need a "second" WarOnTerror.[[UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror War On Terror]]. We're still fighting the first one, and likely will be by the time 2018 rolls around for real.
** In our timeline, yes. In the ''Metal Gear'' timeline,TheWarOnTerror UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror was superseded by the War Economy.
** In our timeline, yes. In the ''Metal Gear'' timeline,
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*** Maybe actually wanted a WarOnTerror on state level, not against single groups. For example a US-Pakistan War, which would be more heated and with more soldiers. Pakistan actually got nuke, and could use if it is necessary. State vs State wars are usually considered more seriously. And Sundowner wanted to blame STATES for SUPPORTING TERRORISM.
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*** Maybe actually wanted a WarOnTerror UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror on state level, not against single groups. For example a US-Pakistan War, which would be more heated and with more soldiers. Pakistan actually got nuke, and could use if it is necessary. State vs State wars are usually considered more seriously. And Sundowner wanted to blame STATES for SUPPORTING TERRORISM.
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** Technically Armstrong did use the meteor move against Raiden, but it triggers the QTE scene instead, showing that Raiden's enhanced cyborg body can resist it better than Sam, being BadassNormal.
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*** Which in turn is its own headscratcher: Raiden was supported, mentored, and assisted every step of the way to becoming an almost literal killing machine (sure, the people doing it were often cruel and inhumane, but to paraphrase Monsoon, they were effective teachers). How did Armstrong get the impression that he survived and thrived without help?
** [[ForTheEvulz For the sake of cruelty]], no doubt: This is Mr "Slow and Painful" we're talking about, remember.
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** One of the plot points in the game is that the events in [=MGS4=] changed the world profoundly, it's not just anymore a facsimile of our world where weird stuff happened in the sidelines. The Denver Police Department was not a regular police force, but subcontracted to the PMC World Marshall which provided all the equipment and personnel. The fact that Cyborgs were becoming commonplace and thus Cyborg related crime would be more and more of a problem, obviously meant that the government allowed the PMCs in charge to escalate things and.
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** One of the plot points in the game is that the events in [=MGS4=] changed the world profoundly, it's not just anymore a facsimile of our world where weird stuff happened in the sidelines. The Denver Police Department was not a regular police force, but subcontracted to the PMC World Marshall which provided all the equipment and personnel. The fact that Cyborgs were becoming commonplace and thus Cyborg related crime would be more and more of a problem, obviously meant that the government allowed the PMCs in charge to escalate things and.and.
** Also, [[RealityIsUnrealistic even in real life]], it's common for US police forces, or even the US military, to use foreign-made guns. The Beretta M9, the US military's primary handgun since 1985, is made by a firm called Fabbrica d'Armi Pietro Beretta, which I am pretty sure is not an American company.
** Also, [[RealityIsUnrealistic even in real life]], it's common for US police forces, or even the US military, to use foreign-made guns. The Beretta M9, the US military's primary handgun since 1985, is made by a firm called Fabbrica d'Armi Pietro Beretta, which I am pretty sure is not an American company.
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** One of the plot points in the game is that the events in MGS4 changed the world profoundly, it's not just anymore a facsimile of our world where weird stuff happened in the sidelines. The Denver Police Department was not a regular police force, but subcontracted to the PMC World Marshall which provided all the equipment and personnel. The fact that Cyborgs were becoming commonplace and thus Cyborg related crime would be more and more of a problem, obviously meant that the government allowed the PMCs in charge to escalate things and.
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** One of the plot points in the game is that the events in MGS4 [=MGS4=] changed the world profoundly, it's not just anymore a facsimile of our world where weird stuff happened in the sidelines. The Denver Police Department was not a regular police force, but subcontracted to the PMC World Marshall which provided all the equipment and personnel. The fact that Cyborgs were becoming commonplace and thus Cyborg related crime would be more and more of a problem, obviously meant that the government allowed the PMCs in charge to escalate things and.
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* Why the Denver Police is equipped with RUSSIAN MADE guns (MAK-200) and Rocket Launchers? This should not be the equipment of a Police department.
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* Why the Denver Police is equipped with RUSSIAN MADE guns (MAK-200) and Rocket Launchers? This should not be the equipment of a Police department.department.
** One of the plot points in the game is that the events in MGS4 changed the world profoundly, it's not just anymore a facsimile of our world where weird stuff happened in the sidelines. The Denver Police Department was not a regular police force, but subcontracted to the PMC World Marshall which provided all the equipment and personnel. The fact that Cyborgs were becoming commonplace and thus Cyborg related crime would be more and more of a problem, obviously meant that the government allowed the PMCs in charge to escalate things and.
** One of the plot points in the game is that the events in MGS4 changed the world profoundly, it's not just anymore a facsimile of our world where weird stuff happened in the sidelines. The Denver Police Department was not a regular police force, but subcontracted to the PMC World Marshall which provided all the equipment and personnel. The fact that Cyborgs were becoming commonplace and thus Cyborg related crime would be more and more of a problem, obviously meant that the government allowed the PMCs in charge to escalate things and.
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*** Maybe actually wanted a WarOnTerror on state level, not against single groups. For example a US-Pakistan War, which would be more heated and with more soldiers. Pakistan actually got nuke, and could use if it is necessary. State vs State wars are usually considered more seriously. And Sundowner wanted to blame STATES for SUPPORTING TERRORISM.
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*** Maybe actually wanted a WarOnTerror on state level, not against single groups. For example a US-Pakistan War, which would be more heated and with more soldiers. Pakistan actually got nuke, and could use if it is necessary. State vs State wars are usually considered more seriously. And Sundowner wanted to blame STATES for SUPPORTING TERRORISM.TERRORISM.
*Why the Denver Police is equipped with RUSSIAN MADE guns (MAK-200) and Rocket Launchers? This should not be the equipment of a Police department.
*Why the Denver Police is equipped with RUSSIAN MADE guns (MAK-200) and Rocket Launchers? This should not be the equipment of a Police department.
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** Likely he wanted one that was much more heated and aggressive. And an attempted assassination of the POTUS would cause such a reaction.
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** Likely he wanted one that was much more heated and aggressive. And an attempted assassination of the POTUS would cause such a reaction.reaction.
***Maybe actually wanted a WarOnTerror on state level, not against single groups. For example a US-Pakistan War, which would be more heated and with more soldiers. Pakistan actually got nuke, and could use if it is necessary. State vs State wars are usually considered more seriously. And Sundowner wanted to blame STATES for SUPPORTING TERRORISM.
***Maybe actually wanted a WarOnTerror on state level, not against single groups. For example a US-Pakistan War, which would be more heated and with more soldiers. Pakistan actually got nuke, and could use if it is necessary. State vs State wars are usually considered more seriously. And Sundowner wanted to blame STATES for SUPPORTING TERRORISM.
