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Headscratchers: Freddy vs. Jason
  • Where was Jason when the movie started, and how did he get to Springwood? How does Jason get anywhere that's too far to walk? Has he ever been officially acknowledged as having teleportation abilities?
    • He got to Manhattan on a boat once. Outright teleported in that movie too. In this case though, it was just a long walk.
    • Jason was in Crystal Lake which seems to not that far from Springwood since it was close enough to drive in a single night. And for Jason nothing is too far to walk/swim. He can walk quite quickly for one, doesn't get tired or bored or any of that. He could walk to China if the mood struck him. Though only a few movies have him outside Crystal Lake and they all have semi-plausible explanations. He took a boat in Jason Takes Manhattan and swims the last few miles, his body is transported in Jason Goes to Hell and his Heart eaten, he's captured in Jason X and he's summoned and walks in Jason vs Freddy and we have no idea how long it took. Freddy had been searching for years, I doubt he'd even register a few weeks or months.
      • Isn't Springwood officially confirmed to be in Ohio, and Crystal Lake in New Jersey?
  • When Freddy comes out into the real world, the dream would switch to reality, and normal rules apply (no extending arms, no teleporting). So why don't Freddy's burns hurt? He should wake up and immediately fall to the floor writhing in pain.
    • All his nerve endings are dead. Alternatively he's been changed biologically so the burns are actually apart of his normal self, so they don't hurt.
    • Yes, he's been burnt for decades now, and he doesn't feel those old scars now.
    • He isn't godlike anymore, but he isn't human. Same reason why he can survive most of his limbs being torn off, decapitation, and is still superhumanly strong.
    • Yea, if he were just human, his fight with Jason would have lasted about as long as it took Jason to cross the room to get to him.
  • Why would Jason be afraid of water? He lived in the lake for years. I know its an attempt to make this a battle of the elements, but it really seems inconsistent with past movies to me. Instead of making their methods of death their weaknesses, why not make them their strengths? (drowning scene could still happen, it would just be more ironic: Freddy turning Jason's own power against him)
    • Repressed fear? For some people (or zombies(?) in Jason's case), their fear isn't brought up unless they are made aware of it. Jason's usually going about killing people. He probably doesn't think about water/drowning all that much because it doesn't cross his mind. Also, remember that Freddy is emotionally manipulating Jason. Freddy making Jason remember that he drowned as a child and how he was mistreated at Camp Crystal Lake by posing as his mother would be enough to put Jason in a Heroic BSOD (remember, Jason's driving force for all that he's done is to avenge his mother's death).
    • Even though Jason hasn't really been shown to be "afraid" of water before, it still seemed to have some power over him in his previous films. A couple of them (6 and 7) end up with him trapped underwater by some means, despite still being "alive". In each case he stops struggling and basically becomes dormant until some external force frees him in the next film. You'd thing someone as strong as Jason could eventually work himself free, but he just sort of...stops. Perhaps this state is the closest he can get to dying, and it's that he's afraid of.
      • You're forgetting the fact he willingly goes swimming in Parts 4 and 7 and SWIMS TO MANHATTAN in Part 8. He also doesn't seem particularly fearful of the water in Part 6. Seems to me that They Just Didn't Care
      • It may not be a case of They Just Didn't Care. The film ends with Jason emerging from the water, holding Freddy's decapitated head. He doesn't appear phased at the slightest by being IN the water, which is in stark contrast to Jason freezing in mid-machete-swing when he SEES water in Freddy's Dream World. The writers should get the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't break continuity this badly in the same film.
    • The repressed fear idea is supported by the fact that during their fight in the real world Jason once again doesn't seem to be afraid of water. Maybe he was afraid of water as a child, with drowning and all, but had long since got over it, until Freddy digged it out and made him relive it.
      • Yeah, Freddy is the master of nightmares after all. He basically dug around inside Jason until he found the deformed, scared, abused little boy still somewhere inside and preyed on that part of him. Which is a primary reason Jason decides "Screw the campers, I'm pissed at this guy." At one point in the film, Jason actually PREVENTS a protagonist from being killed— goes to show the extent of Jason's hatred towards Freddy (not only for impersonating his mother, but making him relive his fear of water).
  • How did the kids get between Springwood and Crystal Lake in one night? Springwood is in Ohio, Crystal Lake is in New Jersey. That leaves at least the entire state of Pennsylvania between them, yet it seems to be implied that this wasn't that long of a trip.
    • The magic of fictional timelines. What may take hours in the real world only takes a few minutes to get from "Point A." to "Point B."
      • The writers timed out how long a trip from Ohio to New Jersey would be and wrote it into the script. It was all removed by the final edit.
    • They ran out of tranquilizers - couldn't have been too short a trip considering the dose he started with.
      • Well, they never actually said how much of the tranquillizers they took with them.
  • Why does the police chief discourage the young officer who thinks, mostly correctly, that the murders taking place are the work of Jason Voorhees or a copycat of Jason. Jason=/=Freddy. Hell getting the town as a whole focused on a single specific NON-Freddy entity would actually have worked to their benefit!
    • The transfer officer didn't say it was Jason. He said it was a copycat of Jason - a mortal individual, since not only has Jason been put down for years; he's known to never leave Camp Crystal Lake if he can avoid it. This was pulled off so that they were both wrong. The adults of Springwood are used to Freddy coming back though. A mortal killer is the least of their worries. Also, the adults thought that Freddy had found his fear, not that his plan was still to create it with Jason.
      • That still doesn't answer why the police chief didn't run with the Jason theory. It would have been an easier on them.
      • Because acknowledging there's a serial killer on the loose, even if it's just a mortal one, is going to make people extremely afraid. Most police chiefs try to avoid terrifying the populace anyway, for a variety of reasons, but in Springwood there's an even better reason for it. The illusion of "It's all under control" is more than a political ploy there.
  • Why does Freddy suddenly need kids to be afraid of him to be able to kill them? Back in the original Nightmare the kids didn't know about him at first either, yet he was pretty capable to enter their dreams anyway.
    • Freddy vs Jason seems to take place in its own continuity that has several discrepancies with the original series. If that's not good enough for you the Nightmare on Elm Street series wasn't particularly consistent. The first movie allowed him to kill the children of the adults who killed him. The second (which we often try to ignore) let him possess the boy living in his house. The third returned to the original formula. The fourth saw a new girl who could open the way into other people's dreams for him, the fifth gave her unborn baby the same power and the sixth movie (which in theory happens sometime after Freddy vs Jason just like Jason X takes place some time later) gave him the ability to jump into all the children in the city. Freddy might just be the epitome of villains with plot driven powers.
  • Why don't the adults of Springwood put the Hypnocil in the town's drinking water? Or find some other way to make sure it was administered to everybody? They know that it works to suppress dreams and keep Freddy from coming back. If it didn't, Mark would have died years ago because he mentioned that not only was his brother killed, or driven to suicide, by Freddy, but that he had the nightmares himself. The Hypnocil is the only reason he lived so long after going to Westin Hills. It doesn't make sense for them not to dose the whole town with it to ensure that Freddy couldn't come back at all, no matter how scared the kids were.
    • Hypnocil has been around since Nightmare on Elm Street 3 which is at minimum a decade or so before Freddy vs Jason (there isn't much to accurately give us a hint of the time table) and in all that time it hasn't been approved for the public use for a reason. That stuff is dangerous and people NEED to dream. From what little was saw of Westin Hills two things are pretty clear. First Will and Mark are clearly higher functioning than most of the people interned there and as we find out from the Coma Ward there are LOTS of cases of people overdosing on the stuff and that's just from the fairly limited amount of people they are dosing. Plus in real life people need to dream and that's probably true in-universe as well. Why at no point was it decided to burn the entire city down records and all and leave is beyond me. It seems clear that Freddy's Dead either still takes place 'Ten Years from now' or can safely be considered non-cannon and either way Freddy seems to be more or less limited to Springwood, scorch the city and GTFO would solve the problem relatively well.
    • The reason for that may have been because (and this is sort of a cop-out excuse) it would be too obvious. If the entire town stopped having dreams completely, all at the same time, that may arouse suspicion. By committing the few people who knew of Freddy, they could simply either fake those people's deaths or declare that they're psychologically unstable. Keep those people sedated and doped up on Hypnocil— nobody's really gonna make a huge fuss about a dozen or so Springwood citizens either being declared dead, insane, or missing. That happens all the time in plenty of towns.
  • A minor thing, but how Jason knows where Elm Street is?
    • Freddy might have downloaded a map into Jason's head. Or maybe he kept appearing in dreams to give Jason directions.
    • Most likely in the same dream sequence that Freddy used to wake Jason up he "implanted" Elm Street as Jason's Territory. So it's basically the same way that Jason finds his way home instinctively in Jason Goes to Hell. Basically think of it as magic GPS or a homing signal. He knows where he's supposed to be. Not that the kids had anyway of knowing but most likely taking Jason home was at least partially unnecessary. Killing Freddy would probably have dismissed him, hell Freddy could probably have dismissed him if he hadn't been blinded with rage after Jason stole a kill from him. I hear between serial killers Kill Stealing is serious business.
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