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  • It's a minor thing, but how do Margaret's glasses stay on? They're not even lopsided. Does she stick them to her scalp?
    • They rest on one of her nubs. Leslie Grossman confirmed it herself.
    • Was it ever established that the 1970 victims had both ears removed? If she's still got one intact ear, then she probably wears custom frames on which that side is weighted for balance.
  • The reveal that Margaret is the real Camp Redwood killer contradicts certain events of the previous episodes, namely the hitcher Jonas recognizing Margaret and showing no fear but rather begs for forgiveness for running away and "leaving her behind" after he "saw her". He made it sound like he was being chased, but surely the only person who would've done the chasing would be her? An odd reaction given that she's supposed to have killed him! Is it possible that Margaret's account of what happened that night isn't entirely accurate?
    • Two things. One, Jonas’s memory seems to be unreliable (and inconsistent, at one point he knows he “doesn’t die here,” and the next is unaware that he’s dead: some AHS Ghosts seem to move in and out of awareness and lucidity, see also Nora in Murder House). So it’s possible that when talking to Margaret his memory loss/confusion was happening. Second— and alternatively- the flashback Jonas is shown having sees Margaret standing still, surrounded by her murdered cabin mates and covered in blood, which doesn’t contradict the events in True Killers (and actually seems like a pretty obvious clue) while still being understandable that he would assume Margaret was also under attack. He specifically mentions that he never saw his killer and just heard the jingle of keys. So, Margaret has murdered everyone else, Jonas— either assuming she was also a victim in danger or seeing her commit the murders (but as a ghost currently doesn’t remember that)— runs away to the phone booth, tries to call the police but when the phone doesn’t work he tries to leave the camp all together only to be hit by a car and struck in the head and face by the driver— who he specifically states that he didn’t see, but heard his keys.
  • Speaking of Murder House, a ghost rapes a human once and she immediately became pregnant. I think we can all agree on how well that didn't end! What does this mean for Brooke after having sex with Ray's ghost? Admittedly theirs was consensual but still...
    • Moreover, theirs wasn't an assault engineered by dark forces that wanted to cause an extremely nasty outcome. A couple of scared young people hooking up out of need probably isn't what it takes to kick-start that sort of result; indeed, if it was that easy to knock someone up with The Antichrist, the world should've ended a whole lot sooner.
    • And Vivien also became pregnant by Ben at the same time she became pregnant by Tate, indicating she was in her fertile time and didn't just automatically become pregnant because it was ghost sex. Brooke may not have been.
  • Where are the other ghosts? Even assuming the 1954 massacre didn't produce any other than Lavinia, we know several camp counselors, random victims, and bigger names like Chef Bertie and Zach are all missing without explanation either way.
    • They all probably moved on, having little holding them to the earth, unlike the remaining cast. Presumably similar to what happened to Mr. Jingles.
    • It’s also been shown repeatedly that AHS ghosts are only seen when they want to be seen, and it’s possible those ghosts just haven’t wanted to be seen yet. The 1970’s ghosts, for example, weren’t seen by the characters or the audience until the current counselors (sans Brooke) had died, presumably due to their not wanting to “even touch” a human in years.
    • The finale suggests that they're all out there, just not directly involved in the on-screen events of the last couple of episodes.
  • How did Ramirez make it out to the Hotel Cortez if the Camp Redwood ghosts have been keeping a constant surveillance on him for the last thirty years?
    • I have a theory, which is more of just an easy way to write around an obvious plot hole. Ramirez is trapped at Redwood so there is nothing stopping a ghost from pretending he's the infamous killer. Could've been a wannabe Ramirez living his fantasy in death. The real Ramirez isn't around to dispute him.
    • Alternatively, the timeline change at the end of Apocalypse could have caused his fate to unfold differently.
    • It's also possible that Asylum/Freak Show/Roanoke are in a separate universe. There has of yet been no crossover between those and Murder House/Coven/Hotel/Apocalypse. Briarcliff is mentioned in 1984, which would put it in the Asylum universe.
  • Still unclear as to why Mr. Jingles HAD to kill so many people when he came back in '84 or if he had any internal justification. Other than sparing the life of an overweight kid, a guy peeping at the showers, Xavier (attempted), Birdie (maybe he had reason?), and the two kids who dressed up as him. These are all pretty much unprovoked murders. I understand that his victims at camp don't let him spare his son because he deserves punishment, but why did he even do it in the first place?
    • He's brain-damaged, or damaged goods in general. The electroshock therapy combined with years of abuse at the hands of the legal system broke him. Put through all of that, he was led to believe he was. If Margaret hadn't told him the truth of the murders, he probably would've continued to be the killer.
  • In the final episode Montana tells Bobby everyone he meets at Redwood is likely to kill him. However she also says in the same conversation that they all had communally agreed no more killing. And she isn't aware Margaret is still at the camp. And they have Richard on lockdown. Lastly the one person who scared all the ghosts Jingles' mother had disappeared decades ago. Who exactly was she trying to warn him about? When he's escaping from Richard we see every single ghost join together to save him, Bertie calling out "run kid!".
    • Up until she found out that he was Bobby, she was probably trying to scare him into leaving.
    • Alternatively, while the ghosts are united, some may still have blood lust and simply kill him on impulse. During their first meeting, you can see Montana's facial expression briefly flash angry. It could be that the ghosts are still struggling with the impulse to kill. The only reason they don't is because they have Ramirez (and Margaret later on) to torment.
    • Or, even through they had Richard contained, it only took one slip-up for him to escape and he came pretty close to killing Bobby.
  • So I get that Bobby can't really hang around Camp Redwood because of Margaret and Richard, but what's stopping him from sending some sort of technology into the camp that would allow him to communicate with his father and/or people like Montana, such as a satellite phone?
    • Nothing actually. You could setup a cellular booster and possibly get 2-way communications. Or, given the threat posed by Margaret and Richard, just setup a solar power system and radio and digital television receivers or a laptop and Kindles loaded with movies, music and books. That keeps things one-way and ensures neither Big Bad can lure someone in. But someone has to purchase this equipment for them and if something breaks, someone has to come to the camp to check on things. That's time and money. Plus, I doubt you'd want someone asking questions about who is making phone calls from an abandoned camp. There's also the question of who owns the land and you might end up attracting unwanted attention.

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