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* ''Payday 2'' passes the UsefulNotes/BechdelTest! The conversations don't get especially deep because they're short and based on voice clips and they're violent criminals usually killing hordes of cops, but it's possible to have a team of four female characters with a fairly wide range of ages and body types talking about their shared interests instead of a man. Neat!

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* ''Payday 2'' passes the UsefulNotes/BechdelTest! MediaNotes/TheBechdelTest! The conversations don't get especially deep because they're short and based on voice clips and they're violent criminals usually killing hordes of cops, but it's possible to have a team of four female characters with a fairly wide range of ages and body types talking about their shared interests instead of a man. Neat!
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* This also helps explain why C4 can pop off the door to a safe that rocket launchers can't damage at all.

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* ** This also helps explain why C4 can pop off the door to a safe that rocket launchers can't damage at all.
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** In addition, John's greatest skills are stealth and short-range combat, both in-game and in his movies. Snipers counter both of those strengths, and make it very hard for him to use his lethal and distinctive martial arts and close-quarters combat drill.
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** Sometimes, their dignity is drowned by the sheer stress and they end up pretending to have sex with said guard.

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* Hector's missions are often the most difficult when done loud, if there's a chance for it to be done stealth at all to begin with. [[spoiler:That was all part of the plan, according to the Hoxton Revenge Heist]].
** [[spoiler:Every single one of his heists is a brilliant XanatosGambit. In Watchdogs, if the gang succeeds, Hector has moved all of his product beyond the reach of the Mendoza Cartel and the FBI; meaning they have less leverage over him, not to mention that Bain would never even consider that Hector would risk so much valuable product just to get the gang caught, and if they get caught Hector delivers on his promise. In Firestarters, if the gang succeeds, the Mendoza Cartel's cash and weaponry supplies are ruined and the FBI is weakened so that they're now more dependent on his continued testimony, and if they get caught, Hector delivers on his promise. In Rats, if the gang succeeds, the Mendoza Cartel is utterly done for and Hector is unchallenged, and if they fail Hector ''delivers on his promise''. The FBI always turn up so fast to the airfield and the meth lab because Hector told the FBI the gang would be there. At one point, the gang even walk straight into an FBI branch office. The only thing Hector wasn't counting on was that [[GoneHorriblyRight the Payday gang might actually succeed]] at every heist.]]
*** [[spoiler: It also gives the 'Rats' contract name a whole new layer of meaning - Both sides are rats!]]
*** [[spoiler: It would also answer why Rats has such an insane probability of getting escape missions; the FBI know ahead of time that the Payday Gang are going to be in the general area, so there would be a much heavier concentration of law enforcement keeping watch for a runaway van]].
** Speaking of which, [[spoiler:the other contractors would have an alibi to not be the rat, as suspicious as they'd be otherwise]].
*** [[spoiler:Bain, as [[TheScrappy insufferable as he is]], is closest to the group, and [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt probably has plot immunity as far as Overkill's concerned]].]]
*** [[spoiler:Vlad wouldn't do it he seems to genuinely like the gang and his motives really aren't all that much complex beyond stealing something or getting revenge on someone, or both. He may be erratic and impulsive, but he's not going to turn on the gang]].
*** [[spoiler:The Elephant may seem like a probable guess, except in Election Day the result of Mckendrick was for Hoxton to be transferred to a safer prison, thus making it absolutely dubious for the Elephant to be involved in his own undoing]].
*** [[spoiler:The Dentist, and the Butcher were both introduced to the gang well after Hoxton was incarcerated, giving them an airtight alibi by default for getting Hoxton thrown in prison.]]
* Everyone was sure the Rat had to be involved in ''Payday The Heist''. [[spoiler: He was - Hector bought the loot from First World Bank and thus knew who Hoxton was. This is mentioned in an email from Bain near the release of ''Payday 2'', ''two years earlier''.]]

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* Hector's missions are often the most difficult when done loud, if there's a chance for it to be done stealth at all to begin with. [[spoiler:That That was all part of the plan, according to the Hoxton Revenge Heist]].
Heist.
** [[spoiler:Every Every single one of his heists is a brilliant XanatosGambit. In Watchdogs, if the gang succeeds, Hector has moved all of his product beyond the reach of the Mendoza Cartel and the FBI; meaning they have less leverage over him, not to mention that Bain would never even consider that Hector would risk so much valuable product just to get the gang caught, and if they get caught Hector delivers on his promise. In Firestarters, if the gang succeeds, the Mendoza Cartel's cash and weaponry supplies are ruined and the FBI is weakened so that they're now more dependent on his continued testimony, and if they get caught, Hector delivers on his promise. In Rats, if the gang succeeds, the Mendoza Cartel is utterly done for and Hector is unchallenged, and if they fail Hector finally ''delivers on his promise''. The FBI always turn up so fast to the airfield and the meth lab because Hector told the FBI the gang would be there. At one point, the gang even walk straight into an FBI branch office. The only thing Hector wasn't counting on was that [[GoneHorriblyRight the Payday gang might actually succeed]] at every heist.]]
heist.
*** [[spoiler: It also gives the 'Rats' contract name a whole new layer of meaning - Both sides are rats!]]
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*** [[spoiler: It would also answer why Rats has such an insane probability of getting escape missions; the FBI know ahead of time that the Payday Gang are going to be in the general area, so there would be a much heavier concentration of law enforcement keeping watch for a runaway van]].
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** Speaking of which, [[spoiler:the the other contractors would all have an alibi to not be the rat, Rat, as suspicious as they'd be otherwise]].
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*** [[spoiler:Bain, Bain, as [[TheScrappy insufferable as he is]], is closest to the group, and [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt probably has had plot immunity as far as Overkill's concerned]].]]
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*** [[spoiler:Vlad Vlad wouldn't do it as he seems to genuinely like the gang Payday Gang and his motives really aren't all that much complex beyond stealing something or getting revenge on someone, or both. both at once. He may be erratic and impulsive, but he's not going to deliberately turn on the gang]].
Gang to this extent.
*** [[spoiler:The The Elephant may seem like a probable guess, except in Election Day the result of Mckendrick was Mckendrick's downfall is for Hoxton to be transferred to a safer prison, thus making it absolutely dubious for the Elephant to be involved in his own undoing]].
undoing.
*** [[spoiler:The Dentist, The Dentist and the Butcher were both introduced to the gang Gang well after Hoxton was incarcerated, giving them an airtight alibi by default for getting Hoxton thrown in prison.]]
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* Everyone was sure the Rat had to be involved in ''Payday The Heist''. [[spoiler: He was - Hector bought the loot from First World Bank and thus knew who Hoxton was. This is mentioned in an email from Bain near the release of ''Payday 2'', ''two years earlier''.]]



* Jacket's appearance in the game is very strange, considering that it is almost certain to be non-canon due to ''Hotline Miami'''s own ending. [[spoiler: However, Jacket might not be the same person as the Masked Maniac, as Jacket is only available to people who bought ''Hotline Miami 2'', where the Masked Maniac is no longer the focus of the story but rather a number of characters influenced by him. The most notable of these are the Fans, who are copycat murderers trying to emulate the Masked Maniac and his infamous rampages. Jacket, in ''Payday'', is essentially another Fan, as he's a literal fan shoutout to the game AND fits perfectly with the MO of The Fans in the second game. The only difference between them and Jacket is scale; the Fans kept to their city and just did random murder sprees, while he joined up with a bigger outfit to find victims and incidentally get paid]].
* During GO Bank, Bain warns the crew that a lot of force, implied to be the National Guard or the Army, is rolling in and they need to leave NOW, despite the fact it's just a minor bank robbery. But in The Bomb and Meltdown, despite the fact the crew are stealing a MOAB [[spoiler: and ''live nuclear warheads'']] there's no mention. Why? Because in both cases the weapons are being illegally smuggled - the government doesn't know they're there and the people moving them wouldn't report them even if they did get stolen. That's the only way you would be able to steal them in the first place, otherwise they ''would'' send the Army right away.
** On top of this, GO Bank is distinctly outside the generally urban areas the gang operates in, and more to the point, ''closer'' to the area the US Army or National Guard tend to have bases, garrisons, armories and whatnot, and thus they're rolling in simply because they're close enough, whereas the Guard wouldn't stand a chance of getting there in time in most every other heist.

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* Jacket's appearance in the game is very strange, considering that it is almost certain to be non-canon due to ''Hotline Miami'''s own ending. [[spoiler: However, Jacket might not be the same person as the Masked Maniac, as Jacket is only available to people who bought ''Hotline Miami 2'', where the Masked Maniac is no longer the focus of the story but rather a number of characters influenced by him. The most notable of these are the Fans, who are copycat murderers trying to emulate the Masked Maniac and his infamous rampages. Jacket, in ''Payday'', is essentially another Fan, as he's a literal fan shoutout to the game AND fits perfectly with the MO of The Fans in the second game. The only difference between them and Jacket is scale; the Fans kept to their city and just did random murder sprees, while he joined up with a bigger outfit to find victims and incidentally get paid]].
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* During GO Bank, Bain warns the crew that a lot of force, implied force (implied to be the National Guard or the Army, Army) is rolling in and they need to leave NOW, despite the fact it's just a minor bank robbery. But in The Bomb and Meltdown, despite the fact the crew are stealing a MOAB [[spoiler: and ''live nuclear warheads'']] warheads'' there's no mention.mention of a similar response. Why? Because in both cases the weapons are being illegally smuggled - the government doesn't know they're there and the people moving them wouldn't report them even if they did get stolen. That's the only way you would be able to steal them in the first place, otherwise they ''would'' send the Army right away.
away to seize these kind of assets.
** On top of this, GO Bank is distinctly outside the generally urban areas the gang operates in, and more to the point, ''closer'' to the area the US Army or National Guard tend to have bases, garrisons, armories and whatnot, and thus they're rolling in simply because they're close enough, whereas the Guard wouldn't stand a chance of getting there in time in most practically every other heist.



* Locke drops a lot of his character tics and no longer acts as a JerkAss InsufferableGenius in the Reservoir Dogs heist. While it can qualify as a textbook case of OOCIsSeriousBusiness, this side of Locke actually could very well be his [[HiddenDepths actual self]], and for good reason. Before the events of Alaskan Deal and the Reservoir Dogs heist, Locke had recently managed to crack into Crimenet and had his hand on the trigger to shut them down at all times, which meant he was cocky, rude and condescending to both the gang and Murkywater - after all, the gang couldn't really do anything about it. This was the persona that Locke had, similar to how the other contractors have various tics and traits of their own. Bain's [[spoiler: capture]] likely served as a vital wake-up call to [[MustMakeAmends put things right]] (especially since he was considered a traitor following the events of Alaskan Deal) before the rest of the gang got captured too, and decides to make contact with the crew again - this time, as himself.

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* Locke drops a lot of his character tics and no longer acts as a JerkAss InsufferableGenius in the Reservoir Dogs heist. While it can qualify as a textbook case of OOCIsSeriousBusiness, this side of Locke actually could very well be his [[HiddenDepths actual self]], and for good reason. Before the events of Alaskan Deal and the Reservoir Dogs heist, Locke had recently managed to crack into Crimenet and had his hand on the trigger to shut them down at all times, which meant he was cocky, rude and condescending to both the gang and Murkywater - after all, the gang couldn't really do anything about it. This was the persona that Locke had, similar to how the other contractors have various tics and traits of their own. Bain's [[spoiler: capture]] capture likely served as a vital wake-up call to [[MustMakeAmends put things right]] (especially since he was considered a traitor following the events of Alaskan Deal) before the rest of the gang got captured too, and decides to make contact with the crew again - this time, as himself.



* [[spoiler:You can still do Hectors missions even after ratting him out as the traitor.]]
* [[spoiler: A minor one: Hector has the ICTV when you encounter him (either as a prop in his panic room or wearing it when you confront him in loud) and is kept under security by GenSec. However, the ICTV is supposedly a prototype armor stolen from GenSec, ostensibly by the Payday Gang, and they want it back.]]
** He was [[spoiler: technically on their side]]. They likely made an exception for him.

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* [[spoiler:You You can still do Hectors Hector's missions even after ratting him out as the traitor.]]
traitor.
* [[spoiler: A minor one: Hector has the ICTV when you encounter him (either as a prop in his panic room or wearing it when you confront him in loud) and is kept under security by GenSec. However, the ICTV is supposedly a prototype armor stolen from GenSec, ostensibly by the Payday Gang, and they want it back.]]
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** He was [[spoiler: technically on their side]].side. They likely made an exception for him.



* [[spoiler:Hector is the traitor who sold out Hoxton. Now consider how many times people rushed Rats for easy EXP; they played right into Hector's hands by doing that mission over and over and over.]]
* [[spoiler:The director of the FBI said that the Mendozas are on their payroll when he was talking with Hector. This means that the FBI, an organization built to fight crime, is effectively working for crime (different factions of crime, but still). The amount of corruption within the DC law force is atrocious.]] Well, at least it makes you feel a bit less sympathy for the thousands of cops you kill in game.
** Even worse is [[spoiler: this has happened in real life, albeit on the behalf of the ATF selling guns en masse to the Mexican cartels for a sting operation that never happened, either due to incompetence, indecision, or corruption, forcing multiple legal gun dealers who volunteered to participate in the sting into witness protection for the rest of their lives for [[ShaggyDogStory NOTHING]].]]

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* [[spoiler:Hector Hector is the traitor who sold out Hoxton. Now consider how many times people rushed Rats for easy EXP; they played right into Hector's hands by doing that mission over and over and over.]]
over.
* [[spoiler:The The director of the FBI said that the Mendozas are on their payroll when he was talking with Hector. This means that the FBI, an organization built to fight crime, is effectively working ''working for crime crime'' (different factions of crime, but still). The amount of corruption within the DC law force is atrocious.]] Well, at least it makes you feel a bit less sympathy for the thousands of cops you kill in game.
** Even worse is [[spoiler: this has happened in real life, albeit on the behalf of the ATF selling guns en masse to the Mexican cartels for a sting operation that never happened, either due to incompetence, indecision, or corruption, forcing multiple legal gun dealers who volunteered to participate in the sting into witness protection for the rest of their lives for [[ShaggyDogStory NOTHING]].]]



* Jimmy. Oh, Jimmy. Spoiler alert for ''Hardcore Henry''! [[spoiler: He's fucking doomed. Jimmy's tenure in the Payday gang occurs as a sort of prequel to the movie, so in as much as time really means anything to the game itself it's fine, but think about what that means for the future: one day, Jimmy is going to completely disappear out of the gang's lives. Whether that means he just heads off for his favorite brunch for some hookers and coke and never returns, or just drops randomly into a coma, he'll be completely gone and no one will really know why or how.]]
* (Also may be more spoilers for ''Hardcore Henry'') [[spoiler: The Boiling Point job's aftermath has the gang leaving the facility with the data, but there's no mention of [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse where the bodies of the test subjects have gone or what the gang have done to them sans scanning them]]. And given the nature of said test subjects with ''Hardcore Henry'''s plot in mind, they probably could have woken up from the EMP-induced sleep and broken out, depending on how much security is left between them and freedom.]]
* At some point during the White Xmas heist, Vlad's brother-in-law may mention amid his drunken ramblings that his plane collided with something. The FBI Files on the mission also states that the plane's black box recorded a collision with an unknown flying object. This points to one of two equally-disturbing possibilities; either Santa Claus really did exist in the Payday universe, or Santa's sleigh was just an alcohol-induced hallucination for Bubba and the actual object he hit was something such as another plane.
** [[spoiler: Given that the paranormal exists in the ''Payday'' universe, the former possibility seems more likely now.]]

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* Jimmy. Oh, Jimmy. Spoiler alert for ''Hardcore Henry''! [[spoiler: He's fucking doomed. Jimmy's tenure in the Payday gang Gang occurs as a sort of prequel to the movie, so in as much as time really means anything to the game itself it's fine, but think about what that means for the future: one day, Jimmy is going to completely disappear out of the gang's lives. Whether that means he just heads off for his favorite brunch for some hookers and coke and never returns, or just drops randomly into a coma, he'll be completely gone and no one will really know why or how.]]
how.
* (Also may be more spoilers for ''Hardcore Henry'') [[spoiler: The Boiling Point job's aftermath has the gang leaving the facility with the data, but there's no mention of [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse where the bodies of the test subjects have gone gone]] or what the gang have done to them sans scanning them]]. them. And given the nature of said test subjects with ''Hardcore Henry'''s plot in mind, they probably could have woken up from the EMP-induced sleep and broken out, depending on how much security is left between them and freedom.]]
freedom.
* At some point during the White Xmas heist, Vlad's brother-in-law may mention amid his drunken ramblings that his plane collided with something. The FBI Files on the mission also states that the plane's black box recorded a collision with an unknown flying object. This points to one of two equally-disturbing possibilities; either Santa Claus really did exist in the Payday ''Payday'' universe, or Santa's sleigh was just an alcohol-induced hallucination for Bubba and the actual object he hit was something such as another plane.
** [[spoiler: Given that the paranormal exists in the ''Payday'' universe, the former possibility seems more likely now.]]



* The new story line introduced in the Locke and Load update once again shows us about the [[ItWasHisSled traitor, Hector]]... whom of which Vlad seems to be aware of, at the very least (evidenced by the flavour text/intro to the Goat Simulator heist). The heists as portrayed in the story line reveals that [[spoiler: Vlad was the one who let the crew in on Hector in the first place, meaning that he set the gang up with their eventual traitor and could possibly have been partially responsible for almost getting the crew caught]]. Vlad, being [[AxCrazy Vlad]], may or may not be aware of this.
* Bain should probably be very concerned - the future of Crime.net might very well be in jeopardy since [[spoiler: Alaskan Deal reveals that [[TheCracker Locke]] is yet another traitor against the crew, and he managed to crack into Crime.net to reach out to them in the first place, meaning he likely still has access and could wipe it at any time he pleases now that he feels that [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they have outlived their usefulness]].]]
** Unlikely. [[spoiler:Locke went off the grid soon after the events of Alaskan Deal; popping up again to take down Crime.net, even if he was successful, would put him back on the map for all to see. There is also the sheer number of people who want his head; Bain, The Butcher, the PAYDAY Gang, the cops, and I'm fairly sure that Murkywater probably want to plug a few bullets into the traitor's head. If Locke is smart (though with him betraying the PAYDAY gang, that's debatable), he'll stay low...for now.]]

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* The new story line introduced in the Locke and Load update once again shows us about the [[ItWasHisSled traitor, Hector]]... whom of which Vlad seems to be aware of, at the very least (evidenced by the flavour text/intro to the Goat Simulator ''Goat Simulator'' heist). The heists as portrayed in the story line reveals that [[spoiler: Vlad was the one who let the crew in on Hector in the first place, meaning that he set the gang up with their eventual traitor and could possibly have been partially responsible for almost getting the crew caught]].caught. Vlad, being [[AxCrazy Vlad]], may or may not be aware of this.
* Bain should probably be very concerned - the future of Crime.net might very well be in jeopardy since [[spoiler: Alaskan Deal reveals that [[TheCracker Locke]] is yet another traitor against the crew, and he managed to crack into Crime.net to reach out to them in the first place, meaning he likely still has access and could wipe it at any time he pleases now that he feels that [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they have outlived their usefulness]].]]
usefulness]].
** Unlikely. [[spoiler:Locke Locke went off the grid soon after the events of Alaskan Deal; popping up again to take down Crime.net, even if he was successful, would put him back on the map for all to see. There is also the sheer number of people who want his head; Bain, The Butcher, the PAYDAY Gang, the cops, and I'm fairly sure that Murkywater probably want to plug a few bullets into the traitor's head. If Locke is smart (though with him betraying the PAYDAY gang, that's debatable), he'll stay low...for now.]]



* The Crimefest 2018 event sees that [[spoiler: Vlad's bakery front has been shut down]]. In addition, the kitchen of the Safe House has [[spoiler: a few cupcake tins... with [[ArtifactOfDoom The Diamond]] situated underneath them]]. Considering Vlad's [[ShooOutTheClowns sidelining for now]] and the shady dealings of [[spoiler: The Dentist]], it could be pretty easy to guess his fate. However, the horror of this doesn't really kick in until you realise that one of the things you did for Vlad was boosting nuclear warheads from a Murky warehouse... and that [[spoiler: Day 3's news site event saw a nuclear detonation ''right where Point Nemo, the suspected location of R'lyeh, is...'']]
* [[spoiler: The military blows up the entire Mercy hospital to prevent the spread of the virus. Let us hope that they weren't desperate enough to do that before evacuating the civilians and helpless patients inside.]]
* Days 7 and 8 of the news site event has a rather chilling news story. [[spoiler: On day 7y, an earthquake hits Washington D.C. and it also brings a spike of radiation, which forces the President and several staff members to evacuate. Day 8 shows that Air Force One crashed in California and while there were survivors, the President himself is missing. Between the nuclear explosions, the radiation in D.C., and the President vanishing, things are looking pretty grim...]]
* The No Mercy heist [[spoiler: ends with the hospital being blown to bits while the gang are in the midst of an escape. How many cops and innocent civilians died from the result of the building collapsing? How many of them may have died from the Green Flu, considering that the sick ward was turned into a warzone? How the hell did Murkywater cover up firing missiles at a hospital in a crowded city? Did they pay off the inevitable slew of witnesses, or [[LeaveNoWitnesses worse]]?]]

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* The Crimefest 2018 event sees that [[spoiler: Vlad's bakery front has been shut down]]. down. In addition, the kitchen of the Safe House has [[spoiler: a few cupcake tins... with [[ArtifactOfDoom The Diamond]] situated underneath them]]. them. Considering Vlad's [[ShooOutTheClowns sidelining for now]] and the shady dealings of [[spoiler: The Dentist]], the Dentist, it could be pretty easy to guess his fate. However, the horror of this doesn't really kick in until you realise that one of the things you did for Vlad was boosting nuclear warheads from a Murky warehouse... and that [[spoiler: Day 3's news site event saw a nuclear detonation ''right where Point Nemo, the suspected location of R'lyeh, is...'']]
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* [[spoiler: The military blows up the entire Mercy hospital to prevent the spread of the virus. Let us hope that they weren't desperate enough to do that before evacuating the civilians and helpless patients inside.]]
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* Days 7 and 8 of the news site event has a rather chilling news story. [[spoiler: On day 7y, an earthquake hits Washington D.C. and it also brings a spike of radiation, which forces the President and several staff members to evacuate. Day 8 shows that Air Force One crashed in California and while there were survivors, the President himself is missing. Between the nuclear explosions, the radiation in D.C., and the President vanishing, things are looking pretty grim...]]
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* The No Mercy heist [[spoiler: ends with the hospital being blown to bits while the gang are in the midst of an escape. How many cops and innocent civilians died from the result of the building collapsing? How many of them may have died from the Green Flu, considering that the sick ward was turned into a warzone? How the hell did Murkywater cover up firing missiles at a hospital in a crowded city? Did they pay off the inevitable slew of witnesses, or [[LeaveNoWitnesses worse]]?]]worse]]?
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** An even more glaring issue with Green Bridge that's been present since the first game is the matter of civilian casualties. [[EvenEvilHasStandards The gang has a policy of not hurting civilians]] and Bain infamously [[BerserkButton admonishes you]] if you do during any other heist. So why are they suddenly cool with killing what must be dozens of innocents in an explosion? Given that the FBI Files make no mention of civilian casualties for this heist, it seems the intended answer is that, somehow, through either impeccable precision or raw luck, no civs were actually hurt - which somehow makes even less sense.
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* The No Mercy heist ends with the hospital being blown to bits while the gang are in the midst of an escape. How many cops and innocent civilians died from the result of the building collapsing? How many of them may have died from the Green Flu, considering that the sick ward was turned into a warzone? How the hell did Murkywater cover up firing missiles at a hospital in a crowded city? Did they pay off the inevitable slew of witnesses, or [[LeaveNoWitnesses worse]]?

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* The No Mercy heist [[spoiler: ends with the hospital being blown to bits while the gang are in the midst of an escape. How many cops and innocent civilians died from the result of the building collapsing? How many of them may have died from the Green Flu, considering that the sick ward was turned into a warzone? How the hell did Murkywater cover up firing missiles at a hospital in a crowded city? Did they pay off the inevitable slew of witnesses, or [[LeaveNoWitnesses worse]]?worse]]?]]
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* Days 7 and 8 of the news site event has a rather chilling news story. [[spoiler: On day 7y, an earthquake hits Washington D.C. and it also brings a spike of radiation, which forces the President and several staff members to evacuate. Day 8 shows that Air Force One crashed in California and while there were survivors, the President himself is missing. Between the nuclear explosions, the radiation in D.C., and the President vanishing, things are looking pretty grim...]]

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* Days 7 and 8 of the news site event has a rather chilling news story. [[spoiler: On day 7y, an earthquake hits Washington D.C. and it also brings a spike of radiation, which forces the President and several staff members to evacuate. Day 8 shows that Air Force One crashed in California and while there were survivors, the President himself is missing. Between the nuclear explosions, the radiation in D.C., and the President vanishing, things are looking pretty grim...]]]]
* The No Mercy heist ends with the hospital being blown to bits while the gang are in the midst of an escape. How many cops and innocent civilians died from the result of the building collapsing? How many of them may have died from the Green Flu, considering that the sick ward was turned into a warzone? How the hell did Murkywater cover up firing missiles at a hospital in a crowded city? Did they pay off the inevitable slew of witnesses, or [[LeaveNoWitnesses worse]]?
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* Anyone who passed high school chemistry knows that if you did the cook off with the in-game ingredient, you'd only get salt water... In other words, you're getting people high on baths salts...

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* Everyone was sure the Rat had to be involved in Payday The Heist. [[spoiler: He was - Hector bought the loot from First World Bank and thus knew who Hoxton was. This is mentioned in an email from Bain near the release of Payday 2, ''two years earlier''.]]

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* Everyone was sure the Rat had to be involved in Payday ''Payday The Heist.Heist''. [[spoiler: He was - Hector bought the loot from First World Bank and thus knew who Hoxton was. This is mentioned in an email from Bain near the release of Payday 2, ''Payday 2'', ''two years earlier''.]]



* Jacket's appearance in the game is very strange, considering that it is almost certain to be non-canon due to Hotline Miami's own ending. [[spoiler: However, Jacket might not be the same person as the Masked Maniac, as Jacket is only available to people who bought Hotline Miami 2, where the Masked Maniac is no longer the focus of the story but rather a number of characters influenced by him. The most notable of these are the Fans, who are copycat murderers trying to emulate the Masked Maniac. Jacket, in Payday, is essentially another Fan, as he's a literal fan shoutout to the game AND fits perfectly with the MO of The Fans in the second game.]]
* During GO Bank, Bain warns the crew that a lot of force, implied to be the National Guard or the Army, is rolling in and they need to leave NOW, despite the fact it's just a minor bank robbery. But in The Bomb and Meltdown, despite the fact the crew are stealing a MOAB [[spoiler: and ''live nuclear warheads'']] there's no mention. Why? Because in both cases the weapons are being illegally smuggled - The government doesn't know they're there and the people moving them wouldn't report them even if they did get stolen. That's the only way you would be able to steal them in the first place, otherwise they ''would'' send the Army right away.
** On top of this, GO Bank is distinctly outside the generally urban areas the gang operates in, and more to the point, ''closer'' to the area the Army or National Guard tend to have bases, garrisons, armories and whatnot, and thus they're rolling in simply because they're close enough, whereas the Guard wouldn't stand a chance of getting there in time in most every other heist.

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* Jacket's appearance in the game is very strange, considering that it is almost certain to be non-canon due to Hotline Miami's ''Hotline Miami'''s own ending. [[spoiler: However, Jacket might not be the same person as the Masked Maniac, as Jacket is only available to people who bought Hotline ''Hotline Miami 2, 2'', where the Masked Maniac is no longer the focus of the story but rather a number of characters influenced by him. The most notable of these are the Fans, who are copycat murderers trying to emulate the Masked Maniac. Maniac and his infamous rampages. Jacket, in Payday, ''Payday'', is essentially another Fan, as he's a literal fan shoutout to the game AND fits perfectly with the MO of The Fans in the second game.]]
game. The only difference between them and Jacket is scale; the Fans kept to their city and just did random murder sprees, while he joined up with a bigger outfit to find victims and incidentally get paid]].
* During GO Bank, Bain warns the crew that a lot of force, implied to be the National Guard or the Army, is rolling in and they need to leave NOW, despite the fact it's just a minor bank robbery. But in The Bomb and Meltdown, despite the fact the crew are stealing a MOAB [[spoiler: and ''live nuclear warheads'']] there's no mention. Why? Because in both cases the weapons are being illegally smuggled - The the government doesn't know they're there and the people moving them wouldn't report them even if they did get stolen. That's the only way you would be able to steal them in the first place, otherwise they ''would'' send the Army right away.
** On top of this, GO Bank is distinctly outside the generally urban areas the gang operates in, and more to the point, ''closer'' to the area the US Army or National Guard tend to have bases, garrisons, armories and whatnot, and thus they're rolling in simply because they're close enough, whereas the Guard wouldn't stand a chance of getting there in time in most every other heist.



* Dallas's live-action actor was doing his voice in the early days of the game until OVERKILL got his old VA back, at which point he did the new in-game lines. No-one else in the crew has that kind of a voice disparity, to the point of them making efforts to hide Hoxton's face to disguise the dubbing after people had a field day pointing it out in the Breakout trailer, and not giving Wolf lines because Ulf isn't with the company anymore. This stops being odd when you realize, as the Mastermind, Dallas probably made an effort to get some voice coaching so he'd be even harder to finger in a lineup; even discounting his mask, he ''speaks completely differently when he isn't wearing it,'' and getting reliable voiceprints on his masked persona would be nearly impossible over the din of gunfire from your average heist.
* The drills are a very subtle case of brilliance. They're annoying, they break all the time, and the crew never gets better ones. Why not? Because they ''can't'' - They need the drills to be portable and usable everywhere, which means they need to be cordless. Cordless drills aren't meant for the sort of abuse the Payday Gang is using them for - They're meant for smaller short-term projects, not drilling steel security doors or titanium safes. Those are things you'd want a higher power, greater torque corded drill for. So of course they malfunction all the time, they're doing a job they're not designed for. As for the thermal drill, it looks every bit like a DIY thermal lance rather than a professionally-designed unit. Wolf probably built it himself.

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* Dallas's live-action actor was doing his voice in the early days of the game until OVERKILL got his old VA back, at which point he did the new in-game lines. No-one else in the crew has that kind of a voice disparity, to the point of them making efforts to hide Hoxton's face to disguise the dubbing after people had a field day pointing it out in the Breakout trailer, and not giving Wolf lines because Ulf isn't with the company anymore. This stops being odd when you realize, as the Mastermind, Dallas probably made an effort to get some voice coaching so he'd be even harder to finger in a lineup; even discounting his mask, he ''speaks completely differently when he isn't wearing it,'' it'',, and getting reliable voiceprints on his masked persona would be nearly impossible over the din of gunfire from your average heist.
* The drills are a very subtle case of brilliance. They're annoying, they break all the time, and the crew never gets better ones. Why not? Because they ''can't'' - They need the drills to be portable portable, disposable, and usable everywhere, which means they need to be cordless. Cordless drills aren't meant for the sort of abuse the Payday Gang is using them for - They're meant for smaller short-term projects, not drilling steel security doors or titanium safes. Those are things you'd want a higher power, greater torque corded drill for. So of course they malfunction all the time, they're doing a job they're not designed for. As for the thermal drill, it looks every bit like a DIY thermal lance rather than a professionally-designed unit. Wolf probably built it himself.



* The prize in the Beneath the Mountain heist isn't the stuff you steal from the Black Ridge vaults - That's just a bonus, which is why Locke isn't too bothered if you don't get much of it. His real goal is stealing the ''helicopter''. Without it the whole Birth of Sky job would not have been possible, as Locke wouldn't have a vehicle capable of retrieving the money pallets.
* The Pager Guy is noted to be very accepting of a lot of outlandish answers to his calls, despite his job ostensibly being to look out for outlandish behaviour. This has caused the fandom to theorize that maybe a lot of the guards frequently play pranks on him with similar antics and that the crew's responses just so happens to blend in. [[spoiler: Except it's likely that the guards don't play pranks on him, but since he only calls when the guard's dead switches are triggered, the only interactions he ''ever'' has is with the Payday Gang. Him thinking it's all just a long prank on him funny enough probably has made it much more easier to trick him, despite no one ever actually legitimately pranked him.]]

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* The prize in the Beneath the Mountain heist isn't the stuff you steal from the Black Ridge vaults - That's that's just a bonus, which is why Locke isn't too bothered if you don't get much of it. His real goal is stealing the ''helicopter''. Without it the whole Birth of Sky job would not have been possible, as Locke wouldn't have a vehicle capable of retrieving the money pallets.
* The Pager Guy is noted to be very accepting of a lot of outlandish answers to his calls, despite his job ostensibly being to look out for outlandish behaviour. This has caused the fandom to theorize that maybe a lot of the guards frequently play pranks on him with similar antics and that the crew's responses just so happens to blend in. [[spoiler: Except it's likely that the guards don't play pranks on him, but since he only calls when the guard's dead switches are triggered, the only interactions he ''ever'' has is with the Payday Gang. Him thinking it's all just a long prank on him funny enough probably has made it much more easier to trick him, despite no one ever actually legitimately pranked him.]]



* Payday 2 passes the UsefulNotes/BechdelTest! The conversations don't get especially deep because they're short and based on voice clips and they're violent criminals usually killing hordes of cops, but it's possible to have a team of four female characters with a fairly wide range of ages and body types talking about their shared interests instead of a man. Neat!

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* Payday 2 ''Payday 2'' passes the UsefulNotes/BechdelTest! The conversations don't get especially deep because they're short and based on voice clips and they're violent criminals usually killing hordes of cops, but it's possible to have a team of four female characters with a fairly wide range of ages and body types talking about their shared interests instead of a man. Neat!



* Jimmy. Oh, Jimmy. Spoiler alert for Hardcore Henry! [[spoiler: He's fucking doomed. Jimmy's tenure in the Payday gang occurs as a sort of prequel to the movie, so in as much as time really means anything to the game itself it's fine, but think about what that means for the future: one day, Jimmy is going to completely disappear out of the gang's lives. Whether that means he just heads off for his favorite brunch for some hookers and coke and never returns, or just drops randomly into a coma, he'll be completely gone and no one will really know why or how.]]
* (Also may be more spoilers for Hardcore Henry) [[spoiler: The Boiling Point job's aftermath has the gang leaving the facility with the data, but there's no mention of [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse where the bodies of the test subjects have gone or what the gang have done to them sans scanning them]]. And given the nature of said test subjects with Hardcore Henry's plot in mind, they probably could have woken up from the EMP-induced sleep and broken out, depending on how much security is left between them and freedom.]]

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* Jimmy. Oh, Jimmy. Spoiler alert for Hardcore Henry! ''Hardcore Henry''! [[spoiler: He's fucking doomed. Jimmy's tenure in the Payday gang occurs as a sort of prequel to the movie, so in as much as time really means anything to the game itself it's fine, but think about what that means for the future: one day, Jimmy is going to completely disappear out of the gang's lives. Whether that means he just heads off for his favorite brunch for some hookers and coke and never returns, or just drops randomly into a coma, he'll be completely gone and no one will really know why or how.]]
* (Also may be more spoilers for Hardcore Henry) ''Hardcore Henry'') [[spoiler: The Boiling Point job's aftermath has the gang leaving the facility with the data, but there's no mention of [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse where the bodies of the test subjects have gone or what the gang have done to them sans scanning them]]. And given the nature of said test subjects with Hardcore Henry's ''Hardcore Henry'''s plot in mind, they probably could have woken up from the EMP-induced sleep and broken out, depending on how much security is left between them and freedom.]]



** [[spoiler: Given that the paranormal exists in the Payday universe, the former posibility seems more likely now.]]

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** [[spoiler: Given that the paranormal exists in the Payday ''Payday'' universe, the former posibility possibility seems more likely now.]]



* The new story line introduced in the recent Locke and Load update once again shows us about the [[ItWasHisSled traitor, Hector]]... whom of which Vlad seems to be aware of, at the very least (evidenced by the flavour text/intro to the Goat Simulator heist). The heists as portrayed in the story line reveals that [[spoiler: Vlad was the one who let the crew in on Hector in the first place, meaning that he set the gang up with their eventual traitor and could possibly have been partially responsible for almost getting the crew caught]]. Vlad, being [[AxCrazy Vlad]], may or may not be aware of this.
* Bain should probably be very concerned right about now - the future of Crime.net might very well be in jeopardy since [[spoiler: Alaskan Deal reveals that [[TheCracker Locke]] is yet another traitor against the crew, and he managed to crack into Crime.net to reach out to them in the first place, meaning he likely still has access and could wipe it at any time he pleases now that he feels that [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they have outlived their usefulness]].]]
** Unlikey. [[spoiler:Locke went off the grid soon after the events of Alaskan Deal; popping up again to take down Crime.net, even if he was successful, would put him back on the map for all to see. There is also the sheer number of people who want his head; Bain, The Butcher, the PAYDAY Gang, the cops, and I'm fairly sure that Murkywater probably want to plug a few bullets into the traitor's head. If Locke is smart (though with him betraying the PAYDAY gang, that's debatable), he'll stay low...for now.]]

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* The new story line introduced in the recent Locke and Load update once again shows us about the [[ItWasHisSled traitor, Hector]]... whom of which Vlad seems to be aware of, at the very least (evidenced by the flavour text/intro to the Goat Simulator heist). The heists as portrayed in the story line reveals that [[spoiler: Vlad was the one who let the crew in on Hector in the first place, meaning that he set the gang up with their eventual traitor and could possibly have been partially responsible for almost getting the crew caught]]. Vlad, being [[AxCrazy Vlad]], may or may not be aware of this.
* Bain should probably be very concerned right about now - the future of Crime.net might very well be in jeopardy since [[spoiler: Alaskan Deal reveals that [[TheCracker Locke]] is yet another traitor against the crew, and he managed to crack into Crime.net to reach out to them in the first place, meaning he likely still has access and could wipe it at any time he pleases now that he feels that [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they have outlived their usefulness]].]]
** Unlikey.Unlikely. [[spoiler:Locke went off the grid soon after the events of Alaskan Deal; popping up again to take down Crime.net, even if he was successful, would put him back on the map for all to see. There is also the sheer number of people who want his head; Bain, The Butcher, the PAYDAY Gang, the cops, and I'm fairly sure that Murkywater probably want to plug a few bullets into the traitor's head. If Locke is smart (though with him betraying the PAYDAY gang, that's debatable), he'll stay low...for now.]]



* The most recent parts of the Crimefest 2018 event sees that [[spoiler: Vlad's bakery front has been shut down]]. In addition, the kitchen of the Safe House has [[spoiler: a few cupcake tins... with [[ArtifactOfDoom The Diamond]] situated underneath them]]. Considering Vlad's [[ShooOutTheClowns sidelining for now]] and the shady dealings of [[spoiler: The Dentist]], it could be pretty easy to guess his fate. However, the horror of this doesn't really kick in until you realise that one of the things you did for Vlad was boosting nuclear warheads from a Murky warehouse... and that [[spoiler: Day 3's news site event saw a nuclear detonation ''right where Point Nemo, the suspected location of R'lyeh, is...'']]

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* The most recent parts of the Crimefest 2018 event sees that [[spoiler: Vlad's bakery front has been shut down]]. In addition, the kitchen of the Safe House has [[spoiler: a few cupcake tins... with [[ArtifactOfDoom The Diamond]] situated underneath them]]. Considering Vlad's [[ShooOutTheClowns sidelining for now]] and the shady dealings of [[spoiler: The Dentist]], it could be pretty easy to guess his fate. However, the horror of this doesn't really kick in until you realise that one of the things you did for Vlad was boosting nuclear warheads from a Murky warehouse... and that [[spoiler: Day 3's news site event saw a nuclear detonation ''right where Point Nemo, the suspected location of R'lyeh, is...'']]
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** Probably because they're just not paid enough to antagonize the crew of heisters in creepy clown masks more than they already did. Many criminals would just kill them out of sheer spite if they raised the alarm that way...
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*** Someone courting controversy because ThereIsNoSuchThingAsBadPublicity, most likely.

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*** Someone courting controversy because ThereIsNoSuchThingAsBadPublicity, there is NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity, most likely.
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** [[spoiler:Every single one of his heists is a brilliant XanatosGambit. In Watchdogs, if the gang succeeds, Hector has moved all of his product beyond the reach of the Mendoza Cartel and the FBI meaning they have less leverage over him not to mention that Bain will never believe Hector would risk so much product just to get the gang caught, and if they get caught Hector delivers on his promise. In Firestarters, if the gang succeeds, the Mendoza Cartel's cash and weaponry supplies are ruined and the FBI is weakened so that they're more dependent on his continued testimony, and if they get caught, Hector delivers on his promise. In Rats, if the gang succeeds, the Mendoza Cartel is utterly done for and Hector is unchallenged, and if they fail Hector delivers on his promise. The FBI always turn up so fast to the airfield and the meth lab because Hector told the FBI the gang would be there. At one point, the gang even walk straight into an FBI branch office. The only thing Hector wasn't counting on was that [[GoneHorriblyRight the Payday gang might actually succeed]].]]

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** [[spoiler:Every single one of his heists is a brilliant XanatosGambit. In Watchdogs, if the gang succeeds, Hector has moved all of his product beyond the reach of the Mendoza Cartel and the FBI FBI; meaning they have less leverage over him him, not to mention that Bain will would never believe even consider that Hector would risk so much valuable product just to get the gang caught, and if they get caught Hector delivers on his promise. In Firestarters, if the gang succeeds, the Mendoza Cartel's cash and weaponry supplies are ruined and the FBI is weakened so that they're now more dependent on his continued testimony, and if they get caught, Hector delivers on his promise. In Rats, if the gang succeeds, the Mendoza Cartel is utterly done for and Hector is unchallenged, and if they fail Hector delivers ''delivers on his promise.promise''. The FBI always turn up so fast to the airfield and the meth lab because Hector told the FBI the gang would be there. At one point, the gang even walk straight into an FBI branch office. The only thing Hector wasn't counting on was that [[GoneHorriblyRight the Payday gang might actually succeed]].succeed]] at every heist.]]



*** [[spoiler: It would also answer why Rats has an insane probability of getting escape missions]].

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*** [[spoiler: It would also answer why Rats has such an insane probability of getting escape missions]].missions; the FBI know ahead of time that the Payday Gang are going to be in the general area, so there would be a much heavier concentration of law enforcement keeping watch for a runaway van]].



*** [[spoiler:Vlad wouldn't do it he seems to genuinely like the gang and his motive really aren't all that much complex beyond stealing something or getting revenge on someone, or both.]].

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*** [[spoiler:Vlad wouldn't do it he seems to genuinely like the gang and his motive motives really aren't all that much complex beyond stealing something or getting revenge on someone, or both.]].both. He may be erratic and impulsive, but he's not going to turn on the gang]].



*** [[spoiler:The Dentist, and the Butcher were both introduced to the gang well after Hoxton was incarcerated.]]
* Everyone was sure the Rat had to be involved in Payday The Heist. [[spoiler: He was - Hector bought the loot from First World Bank and thus knew who Hoxton was. This is mentioned in an email from Bain near the release of Payday 2, ''two years ago''.]]
* When you consider that every pane of glass in the Car Shop is rigged to the alarm, there's no way to disable that alarm on-site, and roughly 25% of the dealership is glass, wouldn't the cops get tired of responding to alarms at the place every time a bird hits a window too hard or some teenager throws a rock at it? That's why the response time is so long.

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*** [[spoiler:The Dentist, and the Butcher were both introduced to the gang well after Hoxton was incarcerated.incarcerated, giving them an airtight alibi by default for getting Hoxton thrown in prison.]]
* Everyone was sure the Rat had to be involved in Payday The Heist. [[spoiler: He was - Hector bought the loot from First World Bank and thus knew who Hoxton was. This is mentioned in an email from Bain near the release of Payday 2, ''two years ago''.earlier''.]]
* When you consider that every pane of glass in the Car Shop is rigged to the alarm, there's no way to disable that alarm on-site, and roughly 25% of the dealership is glass, wouldn't the cops get tired of responding to alarms at the place every time a bird hits a window too hard or some teenager throws a rock at it? That's why the response time is so long.long; the cops are likely treating it like yet another false alarm from a particularly sensitive security system in their jurisdiction, only realizing it's an actual crime in progress once they arrive on scene.



** On top of this, GO Bank is distinctly outside the generally urban areas the gang operates in, and more to the point, ''closer'' to the area the Army or National guard tend to have bases, garrisons, armories and whatnot, and thus they're rolling in simply because they're close enough, whereas the guard wouldn't stand a chance of getting there in time in most every other heist.

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** On top of this, GO Bank is distinctly outside the generally urban areas the gang operates in, and more to the point, ''closer'' to the area the Army or National guard Guard tend to have bases, garrisons, armories and whatnot, and thus they're rolling in simply because they're close enough, whereas the guard Guard wouldn't stand a chance of getting there in time in most every other heist.
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* Payday 2 passes the BechdelTest! The conversations don't get especially deep because they're short and based on voice clips and they're violent criminals usually killing hordes of cops, but it's possible to have a team of four female characters with a fairly wide range of ages and body types talking about their shared interests instead of a man. Neat!

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* Payday 2 passes the BechdelTest! UsefulNotes/BechdelTest! The conversations don't get especially deep because they're short and based on voice clips and they're violent criminals usually killing hordes of cops, but it's possible to have a team of four female characters with a fairly wide range of ages and body types talking about their shared interests instead of a man. Neat!
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* If a guard is intimidated during stealth, you then have to answer his pager. However, the guard’s only restraint is handcuffing himself, nothing covering his mouth. As such, why do they never try to talk during the pager response and potentially clue Pager Guy in that something is up? It surely can’t be that difficult to say something like, “That’s a robber talking to you, get the cops!”
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That is certainly just a coincidence


* Houston's official class is the Ghost. The city he's named after is also the namesake for a US Navy heavy cruiser nicknamed the Galloping '''Ghost''' of the Java Coast.
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** Distilling this horror is the fact that the hostages are very [[TheScrappy unsympathetic]]. [[TakeThatScrappy Good riddance if they get killed]].

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** Distilling this horror is the fact that the hostages are very [[TheScrappy unsympathetic]]. [[TakeThatScrappy Good riddance if they get killed]]. Well, that and the fact that Jacket tends to genuinely feel sick if he kills someone he can't readily justify hurting.
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* Days 7 and 8 of the news site event has a rather chilling news story. [[spoiler: On day 7y, an earthquake hits Washington D.C. and it also brings a spike of radiation, which forces the President and several staff members to evacuate. Day 8 shows that Air Force One crashed in California and while there were survivors, the President himself is missing. Between the nuclear explosions, the radiation in D.C., and the President vanishing, things are looking pretty grim...]]
* [[spoiler: The PAYDAY gang earns their freedom by stealing pre-signed presidential pardon papers. Hooray. Wait, what about all the heisters that aren't Americans? The pardon won't help them outside of the U.S. And even though they are pardoned, they are still not American citizens. Their new life is still going to be spent hiding from the law unless they want to be extradited to their country.]]

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* Days 7 and 8 of the news site event has a rather chilling news story. [[spoiler: On day 7y, an earthquake hits Washington D.C. and it also brings a spike of radiation, which forces the President and several staff members to evacuate. Day 8 shows that Air Force One crashed in California and while there were survivors, the President himself is missing. Between the nuclear explosions, the radiation in D.C., and the President vanishing, things are looking pretty grim...]]
* [[spoiler: The PAYDAY gang earns their freedom by stealing pre-signed presidential pardon papers. Hooray. Wait, what about all the heisters that aren't Americans? The pardon won't help them outside of the U.S. And even though they are pardoned, they are still not American citizens. Their new life is still going to be spent hiding from the law unless they want to be extradited to their country.
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* Days 7 and 8 of the news site event has a rather chilling news story. [[spoiler: On day 7y, an earthquake hits Washington D.C. and it also brings a spike of radiation, which forces the President and several staff members to evacuate. Day 8 shows that Air Force One crashed in California and while there were survivors, the President himself is missing. Between the nuclear explosions, the radiation in D.C., and the President vanishing, things are looking pretty grim...]]

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* Days 7 and 8 of the news site event has a rather chilling news story. [[spoiler: On day 7y, an earthquake hits Washington D.C. and it also brings a spike of radiation, which forces the President and several staff members to evacuate. Day 8 shows that Air Force One crashed in California and while there were survivors, the President himself is missing. Between the nuclear explosions, the radiation in D.C., and the President vanishing, things are looking pretty grim...]]
* [[spoiler: The PAYDAY gang earns their freedom by stealing pre-signed presidential pardon papers. Hooray. Wait, what about all the heisters that aren't Americans? The pardon won't help them outside of the U.S. And even though they are pardoned, they are still not American citizens. Their new life is still going to be spent hiding from the law unless they want to be extradited to their country.
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* [[spoiler: The military blows up the entire Mercy hospital to prevent the spread of the virus. Let us hope that they weren't desperate enough to do that before evacuating the civilians and helpless patients inside.]]

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* [[spoiler: The military blows up the entire Mercy hospital to prevent the spread of the virus. Let us hope that they weren't desperate enough to do that before evacuating the civilians and helpless patients inside.]]
* Days 7 and 8 of the news site event has a rather chilling news story. [[spoiler: On day 7y, an earthquake hits Washington D.C. and it also brings a spike of radiation, which forces the President and several staff members to evacuate. Day 8 shows that Air Force One crashed in California and while there were survivors, the President himself is missing. Between the nuclear explosions, the radiation in D.C., and the President vanishing, things are looking pretty grim...
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* [[spoiler: The military blow up the entire No Mercy hospital in order to prevent the spread of the virus. Given how the strike happens even when police officers are still on-scene, they didn't evacuate anyone beforehand. Those poor people from other floors.]]

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* The most recent parts of the Crimefest 2018 event sees that [[spoiler: Vlad's bakery front has been shut down]]. In addition, the kitchen of the Safe House has [[spoiler: a few cupcake tins... with [[ArtifactOfDoom The Diamond]] situated underneath them]]. Considering Vlad's [[ShooOutTheClowns sidelining for now]] and the shady dealings of [[spoiler: The Dentist]], it could be pretty easy to guess his fate. However, the horror of this doesn't really kick in until you realise that one of the things you did for Vlad was boosting nuclear warheads from a Murky warehouse... and that [[spoiler: Day 3's news site event saw a nuclear detonation ''right where Point Nemo, the suspected location of R'lyeh, is...'']]

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* The most recent parts of the Crimefest 2018 event sees that [[spoiler: Vlad's bakery front has been shut down]]. In addition, the kitchen of the Safe House has [[spoiler: a few cupcake tins... with [[ArtifactOfDoom The Diamond]] situated underneath them]]. Considering Vlad's [[ShooOutTheClowns sidelining for now]] and the shady dealings of [[spoiler: The Dentist]], it could be pretty easy to guess his fate. However, the horror of this doesn't really kick in until you realise that one of the things you did for Vlad was boosting nuclear warheads from a Murky warehouse... and that [[spoiler: Day 3's news site event saw a nuclear detonation ''right where Point Nemo, the suspected location of R'lyeh, is...'']]'']]
* [[spoiler: The military blow up the entire No Mercy hospital in order to prevent the spread of the virus. Given how the strike happens even when police officers are still on-scene, they didn't evacuate anyone beforehand. Those poor people from other floors.]]
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* The most recent parts of the Crimefest 2018 event sees that [[spoiler: Vlad's bakery front has been shut down]]. In addition, the kitchen of the Safe House has [[spoiler: a few cupcake tins... with [[ArtifactOfDoom The Diamond]] situated underneath them]]. Considering Vlad's [[ShooOutTheClowns sidelining for now]] and the shady dealings of [[spoiler: The Dentist]], it could be pretty easy to guess his fate. However, the horror of this doesn't really kick in until you realise that one of the things you did for Vlad was boosting nuclear warheads from a Murky warehouse... and that [[spoiler: Day 3's news site event saw a nuclear detonation ''right where Point Nemo, the suspected location of R'yleh, is...'']]

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* The most recent parts of the Crimefest 2018 event sees that [[spoiler: Vlad's bakery front has been shut down]]. In addition, the kitchen of the Safe House has [[spoiler: a few cupcake tins... with [[ArtifactOfDoom The Diamond]] situated underneath them]]. Considering Vlad's [[ShooOutTheClowns sidelining for now]] and the shady dealings of [[spoiler: The Dentist]], it could be pretty easy to guess his fate. However, the horror of this doesn't really kick in until you realise that one of the things you did for Vlad was boosting nuclear warheads from a Murky warehouse... and that [[spoiler: Day 3's news site event saw a nuclear detonation ''right where Point Nemo, the suspected location of R'yleh, R'lyeh, is...'']]

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* An example that overlaps with HarsherInHindsight; in The Diamond heist, entering a certain room in the museum (the one with the mummy in a casket in the middle) may have Bain mention about how he liked the room as a kid, but now it "makes him feel uneasy". With the existence of the Nephilim being brought to light, his unease is justified - the mummy is probably the mummified corpse of one of the Nephilim, and Bain knows it.



* Just what would Commissioner Garret have done if he ''did'' find out about those warheads from the Meltdown mission?

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* Just what would Commissioner Garret Garrett have done if he ''did'' find out about those warheads from the Meltdown mission?



** Unlikey. [[spoiler:Locke went off the grid soon after the events of Alaskan Deal; popping up again to take down Crime.net, even if he was successful, would put him back on the map for all to see. There is also the sheer number of people who want his head; Bain, The Butcher, the PAYDAY Gang, the cops, and I'm fairly sure that Murkywater probably want to plug a few bullets into the traitor's head. If Locke is smart (though with him betraying the PAYDAY gang, that's debatable), he'll stay low...for now.]]

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** Unlikey. [[spoiler:Locke went off the grid soon after the events of Alaskan Deal; popping up again to take down Crime.net, even if he was successful, would put him back on the map for all to see. There is also the sheer number of people who want his head; Bain, The Butcher, the PAYDAY Gang, the cops, and I'm fairly sure that Murkywater probably want to plug a few bullets into the traitor's head. If Locke is smart (though with him betraying the PAYDAY gang, that's debatable), he'll stay low...for now.]]]]
* The [[HumanoidAbomination Nephilim]] are a case of Fridge Horror in and of themselves, but of particular mention is the fact that Henry's Rock - a Murkywater facility - has a lab in which a mummified corpse of what seems to be a Nephilim is floating in a tank... as if being experimented on. ''Are Murkywater weaponizing the Nephilim?''
* The most recent parts of the Crimefest 2018 event sees that [[spoiler: Vlad's bakery front has been shut down]]. In addition, the kitchen of the Safe House has [[spoiler: a few cupcake tins... with [[ArtifactOfDoom The Diamond]] situated underneath them]]. Considering Vlad's [[ShooOutTheClowns sidelining for now]] and the shady dealings of [[spoiler: The Dentist]], it could be pretty easy to guess his fate. However, the horror of this doesn't really kick in until you realise that one of the things you did for Vlad was boosting nuclear warheads from a Murky warehouse... and that [[spoiler: Day 3's news site event saw a nuclear detonation ''right where Point Nemo, the suspected location of R'yleh, is...'']]
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** Think about this in the eyes of any cop. Jacket has become a kind of horror story, with him wiping out the entire mob with the cops not being able to catch him, all by himself! Then you are called to deal with a Clown situation and then he comes running out of the bank beating your peers to death with brutal effectiveness, no wonder they have such a high chance of panicking, they have heard of him and they know how deadly he is.
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* Payday 2 passes the BechdelTest! The conversations don't get especially deep because they're short and based on voice clips and they're violent criminals usually killing hordes of cops, but it's possible to have a team of four female characters with a fairly wide range of ages and body types talking about their shared interests instead of a man. Neat!

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