History Fridge / KingdomHearts3D

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!!FridgeBrilliance

* The reason Traverse Town's music is similar, yet different in this game? [[spoiler:It's not the real Traverse Town, but a lookalike made by Joshua from Rhyme's memories.]]
** Similarly, this might explain why [[spoiler: Shiki still looks like Eri]].
* Both FridgeHorror and FridgeBrilliance, [[VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou All the TWEwY Guys]] are in Traverse Town, That would mean [[spoiler:The World Ended Without Them?]].
** Yes, And that would be because [[spoiler:of Shibuya's destruction by the Heartless.]]
** Or maybe is was because of that [[ThreeFiveEightDaysOverTwo Level]] ''[[MouthfulOfPi i]]'' [[HilariousInHindsight Flare]]?
* In ''Dream Drop Distance'', we learn that [[spoiler: Braig and all the other members of Organization XIII were intended as new hosts for Xehanort. He states he's already "half Xehanort", with the camera zooming in on his yellow eye. His hair isn't going grey because of his age.....he's slowly taking on Xehanort's coloration, just like Terra did after his GrandtheftMe]]. Likewise, this explains why Saix's eyes are yellow instead of green like in Birth By Sleep. [[spoiler:And it explains why Isa had ''bright'' blue hair, while Saix's is lighter, with grey mixed in, he, too, is taking on Xehanort's coloration.]]
** And supports Axel's claims that Saix had changed from when they originally joined the Organization.
** This also explains why Organization XIII is comprised entirely of males ([[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and]] [[PsychoForHire Larxene]]), and adds a whole new level to Saix's claims that Xion was never a member- [[spoiler: she was supposed to become Sora, never Xehanort]].
*** Speaking of Larxene, this could also explain her sadism. [[spoiler:As number 12, she was the most recent addition to the Organization before Roxas and Xion. Most likely, her heart isn't as developed as some of the others.]]
*** And of course Organization XIII were [[spoiler: perfect vessels for Xehanort's heart- ''Nobodies don't have hearts of their own!'']]
** The Replica Program takes on a whole new meaning considering all this, as it [[spoiler:essentially kills two birds with one stone in Xehanort's point of view: create suitable replicas to serve as vessels as part of his plot to forge the χ-blade, but more importantly, create a duplicate of Sora to serve as his primary new host. Commissioning it under the guise of creating a Keyblade wielder for the Organization serves as both a handy excuse as well as playing further into his plan; returning Hearts to Kingdom Hearts only makes it more powerful. This also adds another level of detail as to exactly why Roxas and Xion were so important to Xemnas.]]
** They also explain that the [[spoiler: letter X]] acted as a way to mark and monitor people who were [[spoiler: prospective vessels. This pushes Saix's X scar into being full-blown FridgeHorror and provides an actual reason for the theme naming of Organization XIII.]]
** The revelations also explain why Xemnas and Ansem, Seeker of Darkness never seemed to come into conflict, despite somewhat competing goals. [[spoiler: Since they were on the same side the whole time, both working towards either snagging Sora or creating more opportunities to make more Xehanorts in general.]]
** It also explains why Xemnas wanted to find the Chamber of Waking. [[spoiler: Xehanort wanted to take one of the Lights as a Darkness, and a body without a heart makes an easy vessel to take...]]
* The black cloak is said to resist the corrupting effects of Darkness, so it would be redundant that Nobodies would wear one. [[spoiler:In ''Dream Drop Distance'', we find out that Nobodies are able to grow hearts over time, but Xemnas and Xigbar fooled the others into believing that they didn't have one and thus couldn't be corrupted by the darkness. The cloak unintentionally protected them from darkness the whole time to further the illusion. Xemnas was lying the whole time. Nice foreshadowing Nomura, it slipped under most people's minds.]]
* A lot of things annoyed me from what I saw of the Disney world cutscenes in the game... the lack of people at the Festival of Fools, Phoebus and Esmeralda's hookup coming out of the clear blue (since any bonding scenes between them from the film were cut from the game), Sora ''leaving'' The Grid without checking to see if [[spoiler:Tron's alright (despite CLU's dialogue suggesting he's still alive.]] And then it hit me... it's AllJustADream! When do dreams ever make sense when you look back at them?
** This also maybe the reason why [[spoiler:Shiki is still in Eri's appearance.]] - {{Tropers/PMiller1}}
* [[spoiler:Xemnas' boss theme, "L'Oscurita dell'Ignot". "Ignoto" means "unknown" in Italian, which may, at first glance, mean that the theme should be named "L'Oscurita dell'Ignoto", meaning "Darkness of The Unknown". However, "Ignot" doesn't mean anything in Italian or in other words, means ''nothing''. Which would make the name suddenly appropriate: "L'Oscurita dell'Ignot" would be interpreted as "Darkness of The Nothing"]]
* The ''Symphonie of Sorcery'' World uses a different suit of classical music for Sora and Riku each: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._6_(Beethoven) The Sixth Symphony by Beethoven]] for Sora and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nutcracker The Nutcracker by Tchaikovsky]] for Riku. This doesn't seem to mean much at first... Until you realize that both, the initially intended meanings of the pieces as well as the animated shorts done for them for Fantasia both apply to the characters in some way: The Sixth Symphony's form is supposed to represent five stages of a trip to somewhere: ''Awakening of cheerful feelings upon arrival in the country, Scene at the brook, Happy gathering of country folk, Thunderstorm, Shepherds' song; cheerful and thankful feelings after the storm.'' This can be interpreted to represent the structure of pretty much all the Disney-World Visits that Sora has done during his time as a Keyblade Wielder: Arrival, Exploration, Meeting, Danger, Aftermath. Meanwhile, the Fantasia Short the piece was used for is mainly set on Mt. Olympus... In other words, in the ''sky'', reflecting Sora's name. Over on Riku's side, the Nutcracker is a ballet about a prince who was transformed into something useless, but saved, returned to his true form and then went on to protect his land. This can be loosely applied to Riku's own story. Meanwhile, the Fantasia Short which used the music depicts the change of seasons and nature, heavily featuring flowers and the like as it does so... Which fits with Riku's name, "land", as opposed to Sora's "sky". This is reflected in their Reality Shifts for that world too: Sora's Reality Shift manipulates Clouds and Wind, while Riku's causes flowers to bloom and lakes to freeze over with solid ice to stand on (Somewhat creating "land").
* Sora is The "Fourth" Musketeers. - {{Tropers/PMiller1}}
* The fact that Riku was [[spoiler:actually a Dream Eater inside Sora's dreams for the entirety of the exam bugged me at first, but then I realized... what's a Dream Eater? It's the form darkness takes in the sleeping worlds!]]
* A Fridge Heartwarming: The reason why Neku's Dream Eater is a Necho Cat is because it shows the two things that he loves - music and artist CAT. - {{Tropers/PMiller1}}
* Why, all of a sudden, does flowmotion allow the protagonists to pull all those crazy stunts? Reason one, RuleOfCool. Reason two, the protagonists are free from their bodies' boundaries due to Sora's and Riku's selves shown in the game being, more or less, their respective souls in the Dreaming Realm. The fact they can still [[GameOver be defeated and die]] in the game is more or less a case of NeverSleepAgain; on the other hand, due to flowmotion they can do in dreams what their bodies could never [[SequelEscalation (so far)]] do in reality. - FB by @/AlexSora89

!!FridgeHorror

* The TWEWY Gang [[spoiler: were all recreated by Joshua from pieces of their memory following Shibuya's destruction by TheHeartless, right? [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse Then what happened to the originals?]] This Troper does not think a Reapers Game can save them now...]]
** [[http://pmiller1.deviantart.com/art/It-s-a-Wonderful-Heartless-297107104 It could be Worse...]]
** A more optimistic interpretation is that since most of the worlds destroyed by the Heartless were restored at the end of KHI, [[spoiler:and Shibuya isn't seen in the Realm of Sleep (where all the worlds that ''weren't'' perfectly restored went), the originals are safe and sound back on their own world.]] On the other hand, [[spoiler:it doesn't seem [[TearJerker Joshua]] [[FridgeHorror knows]]...]] but maybe [[spoiler:''he's'' just a dream recreation too.]] After all, Yen Sid did say that everything that Sora and Riku saw in those worlds were just dreams, including the people they met.
*** [[spoiler:Or Maybe Joshua did know, But by the fact he can't interfere with the other Player in the RG.]]
* Why are there so many Heartless if there isn't a lot of people among the worlds? Well this troper can think that there is one world that Could Hold At least 582 and Maybe More... [[spoiler:Shibuya.]] - {{Tropers/PMiller1}}
** And we know all about Radiant Garden and it's Lab of Pods. - {{Tropers/PMiller1}}
* [[spoiler:Look at the game's boxart. Riku's eyes are open and he is facing upward while Sora is downward, eyes closed, Micky attempting to help him. This pretty much proves that Sora is the one falling in the potholes this time.]]
* The end of the opening cinematic features [[spoiler: Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Aqua, Ven, Roxas, Donald, and Goofy confronting Master Xehanort.]] Fridge Heartwarming, right? [[spoiler: Terra, Aqua, Ven, and Roxas are going to be ok!]]... However, once taken in context with 3D's ending, this troper can't be the only one who finds it disturbing that [[spoiler: Xion, Kairi, and Lea are nowhere to be seen.]]
** [[spoiler: Kairi, Xion, and Lea becoming vessels...]] '''''OhCrap'''''... Especially for [[spoiler: Kairi]], considering [[spoiler: she's a [[BarrierMaiden Princess of Heart]] and therefore one of the pillars that keeps the worlds as we know them from collapsing. [[TearJerker And not to mention how Sora would react to that...]]]]
** Or maybe they didn't appear in the opening so as not to spoil 3D's ending.
* Joshua and the other VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou kids in the dreaming Traverse Town is rife with this, even more so after the second visit. [[spoiler: Joshua presumably witnessed the attack of his world and the other four's deaths, which is bad enough on its own for a World that usually offers people a chance to get back to life. He gathered up their memories and fled to "Traverse Town" to put them together again, only to find out that when it's just him interacting with them, fixing them isn't that effective. He moulded them into shape and had them play a Game anyway hping it would make ''some'' difference and then Sora and Riku show up and it looks like their contact with Neku, Shiki, Beat and Rhyme will help them get alive again... except that when Shiki and Rhyme get back to their Partners, Joshua finds out that all of this is most likely just a dream and for all his hard work and hopes, it might end up meaning all of nothing whatsoever and he might not be able to get them back after all. He looks about ready to cry in the scene where he tells Riku this. And Joshua's still waiting for "a friend", probably Hanekoma, but Hanekoma's not showing up, so he might have ''died'' in the Heartless invasion...]] His own game's ending is bad enough if you believe in the "[[spoiler: the Composer can't interact with the RG]]"-theory, but this is so much worse. Someone give this kid a hug.

** Yes, And that would be becasue [[spoiler:of Shibuya's destruction by the Heartless.]]

* A fridge heartwarming: The reason why Neku's Spirits is a Neko Cat is becasue it show the two thing that he love, The Music and artis CAT. - {{Tropers/PMiller1}}

** [[spoiler: Kairi, Xion, and Lea becoming vessels...]] '''''OhCrap'''''... Especially for [[spoiler: Kairi]], considering [[spoiler: she's a [[BarrierMaiden Princess of Heart]] and therefore one of the pillars that keeps the worlds as we know them from collapsing. [[TearJerker And not to mention how Sora would react to that...]]]]

** [[spoiler: Kairi, Xion, and Lea becoming vessels...]] '''''OhCrap'''''... Especially for [[spoilers: Kairi]], considering [[spoilers: she's a [[BarrierMaiden Princess of Heart]] and therefore one of the pillars that keeps the worlds as we know them from collapsing. [[TearJerker And not to mention how Sora would react to that...]]]]

* The end of the opening cinematic features [[spoiler: Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Aqua, Ven, Roxas, Donald, and Goofy confronting Master Xehanort.]] FridgeHeartwarming, right? [[spoiler: Terra, Aqua, Ven, and Roxas are going to be ok!]]... However, once taken in context with 3D's ending, this troper can't be the only one who finds it disturbing that [[spoiler: Xion, Kairi, and Lea are nowhere to be seen.]]

* [[spoiler:Look at the game's boxart. Riku's eyes are open and he is facing upward while Sora is downward, eyes closed, Micky attempting to help him. This pretty much proves that Sora is the one falling in the potholes this time.]]

* [[spoiler:Look at the game's boxart. Riku's eyes are open and he is facing upward while Sora is downward, eyes closed with Mickey appearing to reach out and try and help him.]]

[[spoiler:Look at the game's boxart. Riku's eyes are open and he is facing upward while Sora is downward, eyes closed with Mickey appearing to reach out and try and help him.]]

** And we know all about Radiant Garden and it's Lab of Pods. - {{Tropers/PMiller1}}

*** Or Maybe [[TearJerker Joshua]] did know, But by the fact he can't interfere with the other Player in the RG.

* A fridge heartwarming: The reason why Neku's Spirits is a Necho Cat is becasue it show the two thing that he love, The Music and Shiki becasue of her Stuffed Cat (Or becasue of the artis CAT but that'll work too). - {{Tropers/PMiller1}}

* A Fridge Heartwarming: The reason why Neku's Spirits Dream Eaters Necho Cat is becasue it show the two think that he love, The Music and Shiki becasue of her Stuffed Cat (Or Becasue of the Artis CAT but that work too). - {{Tropers/PMiller1}}

* A Fridge Heartwarming: The reason why Neku's Spirits Dream Eaters Necho Cat is becasue it show the two think that he love, The Music and Shiki becasue of her Stuffed Cat (Or Becasue of the Artis CAT but that work too).

** And we know all about Radiant Garden and it's Lab of Pods. - {{Tropers/PMiller1}}
[[folder:Nobodies and New Hearts]]
* [[spoiler: The fact that Nobodies could grow hearts over time.]] How does this count as FridgeHorror? Simple. Think back to ChainOfMemories and KingdomHearts2; Sora (and, to an extent, Riku) single-handedly defeated the Organization and countless other Nobodies, justifying their actions with the fact that [[spoiler:Nobodies have no hearts. Come this game's revelation that Nobodies ''can'' have hearts]] and these "victories" [[UnfortunateImplications can be taken in a much darker light.]] Keep in mind that a heart is the only thing keeping Nobodies from becoming whole. That's right, folks. Sora and Riku [[spoiler:have been potentially murdering not heartless monsters, but '''''living human beings'''''.]]
** This show how much of a CompleteMonster Xehanort is.
** Meh. [[spoiler: Getting Hearts may not actually make Nobodies more "real" than previously. Nobodies don't really "exist" and are essentially made of Nothingness. Besides, killing them reunites them with their Hearts, and actually does them a favor.]]
** Actually, [[spoiler: considering all the Nobodies still faded into the darkness when killed, getting new hearts may not have made them whole at all. They still are beings made of Nothingness, rejected by the light and the darkness, and don't exist. They are kept going only by willpower. The only difference is, with hearts they are now capable of feeling emotions. And considering most of them were dicks, and seemed to be cruel and evil as much as anything, I'd say the fact that they were capable of feelings makes them less sympathatic than before. They should have known better, and experienced some twinges of guilt from their consciences.]]
** [[spoiler: Wrong. The reason why Nobodies were considered to be of Nothingness is because of the original assumption that they did not have hearts, which are natural vessels of Light and Darkness. Then this game comes out and reveals that they grow new ones, essentially meaning that strong willed Nobodies are not so different from normal people as well.]]
** [[spoiler: Where did you hear that? Where was the "made of nothingness" thing ever linked to the "no hearts" thing? Changing the one condition and giving them hearts would not stop them from being made from nothingness. Again, every single Nobody, from the lowliest Dusk to Xemnas himself faded away into darkness when killed, which seems to make them rather different from "normal people" as near as I can tell. There is also the thing where Xemnas, whose power is ''Nothingness'' can turn the Organization members into Dusks.]]
** [[spoiler: Also keep in mind how obsessed Xemnas was with nothingness, and how Nobodies, or "nothings" were as eternal as beings of the light or the darkness. Xemnas knew about the hearts thing, and had just absorbed KingdomHearts at the time. Getting a heart has no impact on the other aspects of a Nobody's nonexistence. If they had just tried not being dicks, their destruction wouldn't have been necessary. And they rejoined with their original hearts anyway, so it worked out in the end.]]
** [[spoiler: Hearts are very much the reason why someone is considered to be of the light or of the darkness; [[WordOfGod Nomura]] had stated that beings of Darkness (Not specifically Heartless) have the ability to remove hearts without the keyblade, which explains who took Aurora's heart in [[KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep Birth by Sleep]]; it was Maleficent who took away Aurora's heart, as her heart has the affinity for Darkness. Pretty much, the Heart is what governs their existence; therefore, without the heart, you cannot exist (A force called Nothingness which is the absence of Light and Dark), which is what the Nobodies presumed to be, as they didn't have hearts to be of the light or the dark. Then, it turns out they do have hearts, which means they do exist. The only reason why they fade back to darkness when they are defeated? They have their own hearts, but their body, soul and memories do not belong to them.]]
** [[spoiler: There are beings of darkness that don't necessarily have hearts though. TheHeartless themselves come to mind. Or the Unversed. Or Dream Eaters. What the Nobodies are made of, as in what they are composed of is Nothingness. Which has nothing to do with their hearts. Having a heart does not make them exist. ]]
** [[spoiler: The Unversed are pure negativity given form, not darkness (Yes, theres a subtle distiction). Heartless can be born from the hearts of those who succumb to darkness, which formed Purbloods in the Realm of Light. And if the Nobodies knew that having a heart doesn't make them exist, why were they (almost) desperate to help form Xemnas an artificial Kingdom Hearts for the sole purpose of getting their own hearts and existing? Hearts are known to be the basis of one's own existance in either the realm in light, darkness or in between. Case in point, Riku was described to belong to the "dark realm" when he assumed Ansem's form until he was caught in the blast of the Kingdom Hearts Encoding machine DiZ made, which wiped clean Riku's heart of darkness, and Mickey saying that he no longer "belongs" to the realm of darkness, which was way he couldn't open a corridor of darkness. Also, take note of Xemnas' speech in KH2]]
-->'''Xemnas:''' [[spoiler:So you accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why then, do you loathe us who teeter on the edge of Nothing? Never given a choice...]]
** [[spoiler:Its been known for sometime now that the Body only acts a vessel for the Heart and Soul, and the Soul just gives life to the Body. They cannot contain any essence of Light or Darkness. That was why the Nobodies were regarded as Non-existant beings, as they were presumed to only contain a Body and Soul.]]
** [[spoiler: Using Xemnas and quotes from him only hurts the "Nobodies getting hearts means they aren't made of Nothingness" argument. Considering he and Xigbar are the members that know about Nobodies getting hearts, Xemnas's obsession with Nothingness, seems to point to hearts not changing the other facets of a Nobody's being, ie:]]
--> '''Xemnas''': "NOTHINGNESS, is ETERNAL!"
--> '''Xemnas''': "If light and darkness are eternal, than surely we ''nothings'' must be the same! ''Eternal''."
--> '''Xemnas:''': "So you accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why then, do you loathe us who teeter on the edge of Nothing? Never given a choice..."
--> '''Xemnas''': "Why do despise the Void?"
--> '''Xemnas''': "Embrace, the NOTHINGNESS!"
** [[spoiler: Xemnas had merged with what was left of the artificial Kingdom Hearts at the time of the final battles of Kh2. There is no denying he had a heart at this point. In fact, it is likely he had several. Dozens, hundreds, thousands, maybe even a million hearts would have still been in that thing by the time he fused with it. And he ''still'' considered himself a being of Nothingness. In fact, he seemed to be ''proud'' of that fact.]]
** [[spoiler: There is also the fact that the Kingdom Hearts Encoder did not wipe Riku's heart clean of darkness, just Ansem. Riku ain't a Princess of Heart. He still has darkness in him. No where has the body and soul not being able to contain darkness or light ever been stated. The Organization wanted hearts because they thought hearts would make them exist, but that didn't make it true. In fact, all completing Kingdom Hearts would have done is give Xemnas the power to take their new hearts away. And then turn them into Xehanort. Pureblood Heartless being born from hearts consumed by darkness does not mean that they have hearts. Quite the opposite in fact. Heartless are darkness made real, the darkness in a heart given physical form.]]
** [[spoiler:You don't think Xemnas was still playing along with the farce that Nobodies don't have/cannot have hearts? Also, Riku was "wiped clean" of darkness at that moment, not forever. Of course he's still going to have any semblance of darkness in his heart because he's not a PoH, but its not enough for him at that point to enable him to open a corridor of Darkness. And about the Organization, I meant the other members who were unaware of the plan (Everyone except Xemnas, Xigbar and Saix) to make them empty vessels. Beings of Darkness do not need to be complete beings, Heartless are darkness given form (In case of the Emblems, the Darkness in people's hearts are forcibly given form). I'm saying that those who are (complete beings) have a large amount of darkness in their hearts (Maleficent, Riku pre KHEncoder explosion). ]]
** [[spoiler: Xemnas has no reason to play along with the farce, considering all the other Organization members are dead. And having merged with KingdomHearts, he's got a few dozen new hearts anyway. He still thinks Nothingness is the greatest stuff ever, and prides himself on being an "eternal" being of Nothingness. And considering he never talks about Nothingness to the Organization in ''Days,'' I'd say he's being more honest at the point of the second game's final battles, considering none of the other Nobodies think of Nonexistence in the same glowing terms that he does. Riku's heart was not wiped clean of any of his own darkness, just Ansem, whose darkness wasn't his own. The other Organization members believed what Xemnas told them, including that getting a heart would make them complete. It's telling that Xemnas describes the Nobodies as "empty vessels" in KH3D, in the scene where he reveals that they have hearts. Their nonexistence is what makes them perfect as far as being possessed by Xehanort is concerned. Beings of darkness can be on the side of darkness with or without hearts. Getting a heart would not instantly make them switch to another side. The same would be true of beings of light, or beings of Nothingness.]]
** [[spoiler: Also, Ansem's Reports support that a lack of heart causing one's existance to be nothing: "Cast off by the heart, a mere shell, one who begrudges both the darkness and the light" (Ansem Report 13) We can deduce that a "normal" heart would contain Light and Darkness: The Princesses of Heart contain the small fragments of Light before the keyblade war and only contain light, and most of the Heartless in the Realm of Light were born of the darkness in people's hearts. Unless Nomura clarifies this issue himself, we can't assume what "material" a Body or a Soul is made, Light, Darkness or Nothingness. We can't really say for sure that Nobodies are Nothing because that's what their physical components (Body, Soul) are made of. ]]
** [[spoiler: A Nobody isn't just made of the Body and Soul though. Based on everything Xemnas believes, a lot of Nothingness is involved as well. It doesn't matter what Bodies and Souls are made of, ''Nobodies'' are made of Nothingness. Otherwise, Xemnas wouldn't have the sort of power over his fellow Nobodies that he does, and he wouldn't have the sort of beliefs that we know he does.]]

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