Created By: ryanasaurus0077 on December 1, 2013 Last Edited By: Berrenta on January 4, 2016
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JustForFun/Trope Epitaph

These tropes died despite perseverence

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Alas, poor Trope Name! I knew him Horatio. We come here to bury these tropes, not to praise them. They were killed here, by misuse, by duplication, by policy, or by just being absolutely terrible. Here in the trope cemetery, their final resting place, are their epitaphs inscribed for all posterity. For they are gone, but not forgotten. No matter how hard we try.

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Cut Tropes

Renamed Tropes

Defunct Traditions

Community Feedback Replies: 250
  • December 1, 2013
    Bisected8
    What about;

  • December 1, 2013
    313Bluestreak
    • Here lies Power Blonde - Everyone loves blondes, just not that type.
  • December 1, 2013
    arbiter099
  • December 1, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    • Here lies Forced Mascilinztion - It wasn't manly enough
    • Here lies Pope Joan - She died for Jaqen's sins.
    • Here lies Would Hit A Senior - Shot down by a Badass Grandpa
    • RIP Cop Killer - The law caught on to you.

    Really, I could think up of more with nothing but the launch list.
  • December 1, 2013
    313Bluestreak
    • Here lies Loneliness Tropes - It's not lonely, it just prefers a solitary life.
  • December 1, 2013
    Bisected8
    Cop Killer appears to have been successfully launched.
  • December 1, 2013
    ZuTheSkunk
    I'm not sure if I understand what this "dying with the boots on" thing means here.
  • December 1, 2013
    Larkmarn
    So... what's it take for a page to die "with its boots on"? I mean, that implies it went down fighting but some of these seem like they... weren't really fighting.
  • December 1, 2013
    Owen547
    Describing some of the killers of tropes and YKTTW, and how these killers are combated, would be beneficial to your description. Simply telling me that they go out fighting doesn't really say anything. Sometimes you have to fight tooth-and-nail against other tropers, and your YKTTW still goes un-launched, and your trope gets cut, because it might be too similar to other tropes or because other tropers don't think it is tropeable and fight just as hard to make sure it gets discarded. While other times a trope should clearly be cut/discarded, but the original author/sponsor is stubborn and says whatever they can to keep it alive.

    I also think emphasizing that some tropes/YKTTW's go down easy (occasionally too easily) would also make your description more clear.
  • December 1, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^^^ I saw the ATT inquiringly about it and according to its OP, It's a metaphor. "With your boots on" is based on Wild West culture and refers to someone dying violently or in battle apparently (I'm from California and I didn't know anything about that 'till now, but then I don't watch westerns)
  • December 1, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^^ And how would I word that?
  • December 1, 2013
    313Bluestreak
  • December 1, 2013
    Larkmarn
    Side note, I think it would be worth it to redlink the cut tropes. Make the fact they're dead have more meaning.
  • December 1, 2013
    Owen547
    ^^^ When a trope is deemed unnecessary, it's cut. When a YKTTW is deemed unnecessary, it's discarded. Sometimes, they go down easy (occasionally too easy). Sometimes, though, a trope or YKTTW will end up dying with its boots on. Refusing to go quietly, an author will say whatever they can to keep their trope alive. Believing that this trope should be wiped from existence, outside tropers will battle just as hard, bringing in Ridiculously Similar Trope to show it already exists or arguing that the trope isn't common enough to be a trope. The author responds immediately by contrasting their trope with the similar ones and scrambling to find more examples. The dialogue goes back and forth endlessly before the trope, beaten to a pulp, is finally put down. Here, on Boot Hill, is the final resting place of many of these unlucky tropes or YKTTW's.

    Just a suggestion. Really, what I am asking is- what does a fighting trope or YKTTW look like? Be more specific.
  • December 1, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^ Flame Wars in the comment section? That's the only thing that I can think of that is considered fighting. Well that and disagreements (I think a good example would be in the YKTTW for MLP crossovers)
  • December 1, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    Boot Hills across the Old West appeared to also be the final resting places for hanged men. Quoth The Other Wiki:
    The term alludes to the fact that many of its occupants were cowboys who "died with their boots on," the implication here being they died violently, as in gunfights or by hanging, and not of natural causes.
  • December 1, 2013
    MorningStar1337
  • December 1, 2013
    Larkmarn
    ^ Okay, I remember Portal Effect. The OP just discarded after I pointed out it was Even Better Sequel. That hardly seems like it's going down fighting.
  • December 1, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ Lester Moore (remember him? He's the one who was felled by four slugs from a .44—no less, no more) didn't go down with much of a fight; he was shot four times following an argument over a delivery of which he was in charge, and he only fired once—after all four of those bullets went into him.
  • December 1, 2013
    Owen547
    ^^^^^ Not usually full out Flame Wars. What I am thinking about in terms of this (and ryanasaurus0077 can correct me if I am mistaken), is simply a struggle. There are times when launching is very difficult. For each individual, arguing for the existence of a trope can be maddening, but it doesn't always show in the comments (i.e. No swearing or cussing out). I think this description does more to embody the action of a troper digging in and debating to the very last point. At least, that is how I am interpreting a trope "going out with boots on". My use of the word "battle" is not meant to mean Flame War type commenting, but rather this struggle to publish something on the internet despite all those people who get in your way.
  • December 1, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    Well then I'm sure that most of these examples (including the ones I made) don't qualify then.
  • December 1, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    Owen547 never said Flame Wars were out as reasoning. He simply said the interpretation shouldn't be narrowed down to Flame Wars, but should encompass struggles in general.
  • December 1, 2013
    Larkmarn
    I think Morningstar meant that even require a struggle eliminated a bunch of his examples. I know for a fact that The Portal Effect went away without a struggle.
  • December 1, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    Are any of his others disqualified?
  • December 1, 2013
    Larkmarn
    I'm pretty sure some did. But Morningstar is on top of things; now that he knows the requirements I'm sure he'll chime in. I only know that one because I was directly involved in it.

    Have an example:
    • Here lies Hot Mom- A true MILF: A Mom I'd Like to Forget.
  • December 2, 2013
    spacemarine50
  • December 2, 2013
    MorganWick
    The Rape The Dog one needs a reference to Moral Event Horizon.
  • December 2, 2013
    DAN004
    Okay, I don't think this thing is noteworthy. Some kind of fun, but I can see this getting derailed quick (just like Title Bin).
  • December 2, 2013
    randomtroper89
  • December 2, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    Well I think the only entry I made for this that would qualify would be Pope Joan (Though I'd have to check the draft.
  • December 2, 2013
    arbiter099
  • December 2, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^^^ the pothole is are, not were.
  • December 2, 2013
    Bisected8
    ^^^^^ That's what Darth Wiki's for, DAN.
  • December 2, 2013
    313Bluestreak
  • December 2, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^^^^^^^ Yeah, and I also considered what happened to Title Bin, which is why the criteria exist in the first place. Boot Hill's standards should be on (or close to) the level of So Bad Its Horrible.
  • December 2, 2013
    CrypticMirror
    Farewell Jonas Quinn, we did bring in a Suspiciously Similar Substitute to you though.
  • December 2, 2013
    randomtroper89
    may I alphabetize this.
  • December 2, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    The graves at the Boot Hills in Real Life (including the one in Tombstone, Arizona) weren't sorted alphabetically.
  • December 2, 2013
    spacemarine50
    Can I edit some of these if I think I got a better one?
  • December 2, 2013
    DennisDunjinman
    Does this go for most Renamed Tropes?

    And we can't forget the absolutely necessary sacrifice of So Yeah, which forced tropers to finally complete their thoughts and sentences.
  • December 2, 2013
    MyFinalEdits
    "Here lies Pope Joan - She died for Jaqen's sins."

    I wouldn't add specific troper names if I were you. Something like "She died for her sponsor's sins" would be better.
  • December 2, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    Yeah, Renamed Tropes may be eligible, too.
  • December 2, 2013
    313Bluestreak
    • Here lies Fiery Stoic - Stoicism and fire don't mesh well together.
  • December 2, 2013
    DAN004
    • Here lies Boot Hill - somebody took the boots away. :P
  • December 2, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    Very funny, Dan. That entry would defeat the purpose.
  • December 2, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    Any more criteria for inclusion on Boot Hill that may need to be added to the list of criteria?
  • December 2, 2013
    DAN004
    You do know I'm trolling, right? :P

    Anyways, did we REALLY have a trope (or YKTTW) called Walking, Unbirthing and FieryStoic? Rule #1 said that we should only link formerly existing tropes.
  • December 2, 2013
    Larkmarn
    I remember Unbirthing. It's on the it's in the Permanent Red Link Club.
  • December 2, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    I checked the three Dan brought up, and Fiery Stoic is disqualified, because it isn't a trope yet. As for the other two... yep, they're eligible.
  • December 2, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    The Laconic mentioned YKTT Ws so preexisting tropes aren't the only things that qualify.
  • December 2, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    I didn't see Fiery Stoic among the recently launched or discarded YKTTW's either (and yes, I used my browser's searching mechanism to look for it without leaving the relevant page).
  • December 3, 2013
    DAN004
    I dunno, but just in case: I think this thing would need a lot of citation (i.e whether these were real tropes/YKTT Ws or not) much like Word Of God.
  • December 3, 2013
    DAN004
    • Here lies Title Bin - they're not even in the recycle bin anymore.
  • December 3, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    Back in the good old days of the Old West, the Bottomless Pit had an analogue called the mine shaft. At least a couple of occupants at the Boot Hill in Tombstone perished by falling into a mine shaft.
  • December 3, 2013
    Bisected8
    I can vouch for the existence of Fiery Stoic as a YKTTW, for you see...I was kind of the one who suggested (and eventually discarded, when everyone helpfully pointed out it wasn't really a trope) it. >_>;

    It seemed like a good idea at the time.
  • December 3, 2013
    MyFinalEdits
    Do permacut main namespaces count? If so:

  • December 3, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    Yes.
  • December 4, 2013
    DAN004
  • December 4, 2013
    313Bluestreak
    In the Dark Shepherd article, I've found the red link to Do It For Me. I'm not sure if that's a trope or not.

    • Here lies Do It For Me - Because it won't do the same for us.
  • December 4, 2013
    KantonKage

  • December 4, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ Thinking that, if the title leads to a redirect, that redirect must be mentioned.
  • December 4, 2013
    MorningStar1337

    Better?
  • December 5, 2013
    spacemarine50
  • December 5, 2013
    DAN004
    ^^ Lol, me likey. :D

    ^ I dunno... X Just X redirects to Zero Context Example because the former was its real title. Whereas I doubt Action Chick was its original title and simply made as an alternate title...

    What, have Scrappy Episode YKTTW just been scrapped? o.O
  • December 5, 2013
    Torchic65101
    Here lies Innocent Panties—it was no longer innocent.
  • December 5, 2013
    313Bluestreak
  • December 5, 2013
    spacemarine50
  • December 5, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ I was just putting X Just X as an example.

    If you meant Hot Chick With A Sword... Maybe put it with "Nah, Action Girl is hot enough as it is." :P
  • December 6, 2013
    SKJAM
    "Here lies Fanfic Chop Suey—not enough Original Flavor."
  • December 7, 2013
    randomtroper89
    Here lies Defend Me Random Stranger, no one defended it.
  • December 7, 2013
    KantonKage
    Here lies High Octane Nightmare Fuel and Nightmare Fuel Unleaded, due to raising gas prices. We had to revert to pure Nightmare Fuel.
    • Here lies Just Bugs Me, we had to call pest control because it caused people to scratch their heads a lot.
  • December 7, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ Just Bugs Me plainly redirects you to Headscratchers if you just put it as "Just Bugs Me". Just sayin'.
  • December 7, 2013
    DAN004
    Eh, Defend Me Random Stranger is still alive. For now.
  • December 7, 2013
    xanderiskander
  • December 7, 2013
    313Bluestreak
  • December 7, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ Not sure if Poetic Justice was its old name. Maybe it exists as a redirect because it's easier to remember?
  • December 8, 2013
    Diask
  • December 8, 2013
    313Bluestreak
  • December 10, 2013
    313Bluestreak
  • December 11, 2013
    Diask
    • RIP Harem Hero - Your dozen of girlfriends will mourn you forever.
  • December 11, 2013
    313Bluestreak
  • December 11, 2013
    Larkmarn
    I think separating them between "Cut" and "Renamed" would be a good idea.
  • December 11, 2013
    MorningStar1337
  • December 11, 2013
    TairaMai
  • December 12, 2013
    Arivne
  • December 13, 2013
    Noah1
  • December 13, 2013
    DAN004
  • December 14, 2013
    313Bluestreak
  • December 14, 2013
    KantonKage
  • December 14, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    I strongly recommend to put the criteria list under %% comment markers. Leaving them on the page will just distract readers, since it's only for editors.
  • December 14, 2013
    Bisected8
    I'm not sure about that. Readers might as well know what sort of thing they're reading about (and it's awfully cruel to let them think of an awesome example...only for the edit page to make them feel silly =P).
  • December 14, 2013
    randomtroper89
    I agree with splitting the cut and renamed tropes. If anyone else agrees I'll split them.
  • December 14, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
    um, Defend Me Random Stranger is still alive. just ignored.
  • December 14, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    All we need now is to decide whether to split the cut and renamed tropes, and whether this belongs in Darth Wiki or Just For Fun as far as namespaces are concerned. Those are my only two concerns before I decide to launch this.
  • December 14, 2013
    DAN004
    Thinking about it, I think discarded YKTT Ws shouldn't go here. It would be hard to confirm their existence, unlike cut tropes.
  • December 14, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    Right. You just gave me a great idea for a bit of criteria. Basically, the sight of the Locked Pages button on a nonexistent article (e.g. a cut trope) should speak for itself, but otherwise, citations would be nice.
  • December 15, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    I would allow for cut tropes here, as well. I would put this into Darth Wiki, considering that it's about things that ended badly.
  • December 15, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ I mean, I'm talking about discarded YKTT Ws. Why are you peeps suddenly talking about cut tropes?
  • December 15, 2013
    Noah1
  • December 15, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    To put things into context: I decided that citations should be given for discarded YKTTW's if possible and mentioned that the appearance of a cut trope's page should be obvious.
  • December 16, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ Alrighty.

    But still, there needs citation for Walking, Pope Joan, Budget Busting Umlaut and many more...
  • December 16, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    Walking's on the PRLC. Not much needs to be said about that.

    As for the others...
  • December 16, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    I found citations for most, except Do It For Me and Not Worth Saving. Can anyone vouch for their previous status as YKTTW or trope?
  • December 19, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    Why's this losing hats all of a sudden?
  • December 19, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
    I dunno about those who dehatted this.

    but my issue here that this one is essentially one long unreadable Conga Line of "here lies X because Y".

    might wanna sort them by section. like YKTTW, Cutlist, Renames etc.

    right now, i have no idea why they a lot of these have the gravestones they have because lack of context, i.e. where they were "killed" with their boots on. "why" is not very important, since most of these dead ones were killed without witnesses, as far as i know.

    also explain the name "Boot Hill" and split the description in paragraphs for my fellow not-native-english-speaking-men.

    also,

  • December 19, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    Well, I guess splitting the sections is the way to go, then.

    As for the wording, how would I go about it?
  • December 19, 2013
    randomtroper89
    I think that Foot Focus should go in Cut Tropes, because the trope it redirects to is nothing like it.
  • December 20, 2013
    313Bluestreak
  • December 20, 2013
    KantonKage
    Discarded
  • December 20, 2013
    BlueGuy
    Would work pages on the Permanent Red Link Club count?
  • December 20, 2013
    BlueGuy
    Also, here's some of mine:

  • December 20, 2013
    BlueGuy

  • December 20, 2013
    ryanasaurus0077
    Rape The Dog is already listed here.
  • December 21, 2013
    BlueGuy
    Oh. I didn't see it.
  • December 24, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
    Fan Fic Chop Suey links to Author Appeal instead of Original Flavor.

    what gives?
  • December 24, 2013
    randomtroper89

    This makes no sense. The entire point is that the you see the original name of the trope.
  • December 24, 2013
    Diask
    ^Perhaps try {{It just bugs me}}?
  • December 24, 2013
    randomtroper89
    I din't work. I did it like this: [[{{Headscratchers}} It Just Bugs Me]]
  • December 24, 2013
    DAN004
    Just put it as Just Bugs Me (without any link).
  • December 24, 2013
    randomtroper89
    Alright, I'll do the same to If You Know What I Mean

    EDIT: Here lies Sliding Scale Of Anti Heroes - we needed to analyse it more.

    EDIT 2: Should it go under cut or renamed.
  • December 24, 2013
    DAN004
    Excuse me, but Stock Phrases didn't exactly die (though, indeed, no more of them coming). More like an undead trope. :P
  • January 4, 2014
    Diask
  • January 10, 2014
    ryanasaurus0077
    If there are no more objections, I'll launch this tomorrow.
  • January 10, 2014
    XFllo
    I wanted to take off one hat, but it looks like the system took three. A glitch perhaps?

    I just want to say that I'm opposed to launching this page. Sorry, for me it comes off as Dude Not Funny. I don't see why we should make fun of people who proposed a new trope, even if it was silly or not shaped up enough. Or why we should bring more attention to things like Troper Tales or Fetish Fuel. And I simply don't like too many red links on a page.

    (Just noting: If it gets launched, I can live with it. But imho, it's waste of time and space, even if it's Darth Wiki.)
  • January 10, 2014
    DAN004
    Just saying: talking smack on discarded YKTTW is too much for me. Doing so on redirect titles and cut tropes are okay though.
  • January 10, 2014
    ryanasaurus0077
    This is not intended to make fun of anyone who creates a trope that gets cut or a YKTTW that gets discarded. I'm going to add that to the criteria. In the meantime, launching has been delayed indefinitely. If three hats are lost at the same time, I don't want to know what would happen to it should I launch it now.
  • January 10, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    Add Tritagonist. too lazy to dig it up at the moment. it should be in recent launches.
  • January 10, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^^Just noticed the opposition on this. I can't say this one is in bad taste, it's just making fun of small blunders in the form of bad names, cut tropes and fail YKTTW. it's the equivalent of gathering your old drawings and showing them to your friends and going "see how much i sucked back then? LOL!".

    btw, i really think the "examples" should not take potshots against the sponsor like in Pope Joan. also, it should be descriptive of why they were cut/renamed. Best example of this is Ikea Breakup.
  • January 10, 2014
    ryanasaurus0077
    Rewrote the Pope Joan epitaph to remove the potshot against the YKTTW sponsor.
  • January 10, 2014
    DAN004
    Refer to my old post about "here lies Boot Hill". :P
  • January 10, 2014
    ryanasaurus0077
    I don't want a Mainspace redirect to this page, so I'm going to create a YKTTW for a Mainspace page called "Boot Hill" that is about its depictions in fiction.
  • February 8, 2014
    Noah1
  • February 17, 2014
    alnair20aug93
    Here lies Shiny Midnight Black. Your hair is as common as the night and death...
  • February 17, 2014
    alnair20aug93
    And here lies the Golden Age of TV Tropes. Where it had been fun before, and now estranged in the next...
  • February 17, 2014
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ That's not funny! Plus that's a violation of TV Tropes policy right there, what you just said. (Your second comment, that is.)
  • February 17, 2014
    DAN004
    ^^ I don't even live in... that age. Meh, I have no idea.
  • February 22, 2014
    ryanasaurus0077
    Turns out Nobody Touches Our Precious Nanakoing was buried alive... Shanghai Slave returned to Boot Hill and dug it up to rejuvenate it as In-Universe Moe. Let's hope its OP doesn't challenge him to a duel on the street at high noon for that...
  • March 14, 2014
    ryanasaurus0077
    There's still plenty of room for more graves if anybody wants to bury a trope or YKTTW that died with its boots on!
  • June 18, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^^ Dude Not Funny, no need to mention names. besides, someone's currently sponsoring a better named and better written one. "Everyone's Little Sister". CBA to look for it right now.
  • June 18, 2014
    ryanasaurus0077
    Sorry about that.
  • June 18, 2014
    Mr.Movie
    You might want to remove some of the blue-linked tropes, as they're still alive.
  • June 18, 2014
    ryanasaurus0077
    Which ones do you have in mind?
  • June 18, 2014
    WaterBlap
    Why are tropes that were renamed listed here? I think that that section in this article would just be redundant given the article "Renamed Tropes".
  • June 18, 2014
    Mr.Movie
    Well, you should probably remove Fetish Fuel and all other blue linked tropes from your "cut tropes" list, and you should also probably remove things like Rape The Dog from your "renamed tropes" list.

    Fetish Fuel is not truly cut if you can click on the link and go to the page, and Rape The Dog hasn't been renamed if the page doesn't even exist anymore.
  • June 18, 2014
    ryanasaurus0077
    Check which blue linked tropes truly need to be removed from Cut Tropes. I'll create a new section for stuff such as Fetish Fuel. The trope page may still be on there, but it's been virtually shut down due to getting too creepy and NSFW.
  • June 18, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ you mean you wanna list Example Sectionectomy cases too?

    btw we should add The Wikiterrorist here, too.
  • June 19, 2014
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ Actually, more like "Defunct Traditions", where Stock Phrases (as far as titling conventions go) and Troper Tales also belong.
  • June 19, 2014
    WaterBlap
    Removing a hat because I think the renamed trope section is redundant to the existing article and shouldn't be relisted here.
  • June 19, 2014
    ryanasaurus0077
    There's a Renamed Tropes section here because the previous names for those tropes are of next to no use now.
  • June 19, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ But Renamed Tropes already listed them.
  • June 19, 2014
    ryanasaurus0077
    To both of you: the Renamed Tropes section is not here to simply relist the tropes that have been renamed; rather, it fulfills the same purpose as do the Cut Tropes, Discarded YKTTW's, and Defunct Traditions sections.

    On this page, one does not simply list a cut or renamed trope or discarded YKTTW. Try reading the epitaphs, and you'll likely understand what I mean.
  • June 19, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ Let me guess... humor?
  • June 22, 2014
    313Bluestreak
    • Hot Dad - DILF (Dad I'd Like to Forget)
  • June 22, 2014
    ryanasaurus0077
  • September 7, 2015
    hamza678
    Here lies Memetic Sex God- Too sexy for this wiki!

    Here lies Cute Kids And Robots- Not really cute at all.
  • September 7, 2015
    shimaspawn
    It's funny. Nice work.
  • September 7, 2015
    Berrenta
    Here lies Frogs And Toads- it croaked
  • September 7, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    Barring any further objections, I will launch this tomorrow.
  • September 8, 2015
    Rjinswand
    Cut and disambig'd trope:

    I'm not sure if discarded YKTTW's need to be there. Everyone makes mistakes, and they get discarded before getting launched onto the wiki itself so no harm done. I see no reason to devote a section to mock people for the small harmless mistakes they once made for all eternity. Cut/renamed tropes are okay, since they were already on the wiki for some time, and required lot of cooperation and effort to change.

    Also, you forgot to wikiword Fanfic Chop Suey and It Just Bugs Me.
  • September 8, 2015
    randomsurfer
    ^^I object on the grounds that this has zero hats.
  • September 8, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    What the...!? Where did all the hats go!?
  • September 8, 2015
    shimaspawn
    It had five when he posted that. Huh.
  • September 8, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    I should like to know EXACTLY what happened here.
  • September 8, 2015
    lakingsif
    ^^ & ^My best guess is that people saw he planned to launch it, read the draft and realised it isn't in a state to launch. Hats disappear.

    Really it needs some spacing for that chunk of text, folders, and to ditch the YKTTW examples. Maybe also a good reason why it would be a good page: it's funny, but had a lot of initial opposition and might not be all that clear (mostly the epitaphs) to some people. It's especially of no use to non-tropers, but it is Darth Wiki so that's less of an issue. There is also an argument about the renamed tropes: I personally feel that renames should be cut, too, except in circumstances of merging identical/similar tropes or reworking a trope that includes a name change. TRS would probably have to be referred to for that, and the crash rescue would be a great source to see all the cutlist reasons before they're funny-fied.
  • September 8, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    Hmm... how do I go about it?
  • September 8, 2015
    Berrenta
    Two more to add:

    Cut: Here lies Morally Ambiguous Ducktorate - It was duck season.

    Rename: Here lie Everythings Worse With Bees and Gosh Hornet - No one was afraid of them.

    The second suggestion here is a shared grave.
  • September 9, 2015
    cricri3007
    When will this be added to the dark wiki ?
  • September 9, 2015
    Rjinswand
    So what's the decision on leaving/discarding YKTTW's from this trope? Let's discuss this.

    Also, I'm a bit confused: The description says it's about those tropes that were cut only after a heated debate, but some examples were removed rather quickly and peacefully.
  • September 9, 2015
    lakingsif
    I really don't think YKTTW's should be included. A review of all the examples is needed, though.
  • September 9, 2015
    shimaspawn
    Honestly, considering the joke behind this, I think the heated debate can be left out.
  • September 9, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^^^^ When I recover from the first (to my knowledge, at least) five-finger discount to see all five hats robbed from a YKTTW in nothing flat.

    ^ I totally agree with you on that point in hindsight.
  • September 9, 2015
    lakingsif
    ^ oh yes, this moment will go down in YKTTW history. I've seen four, maybe, over a day or two. But five falling flat overnight? That's impressive.
  • September 11, 2015
    Diask
  • September 11, 2015
    Berrenta
    Renamed:

  • September 12, 2015
    Berrenta
    • Here lie Detached Sleeves - they weren't fastened, so they slipped off and were never retrieved.
  • September 27, 2015
    Berrenta
  • September 29, 2015
    VenomLancerHae
    I'm adding a hat. This thing looks good.
  • September 29, 2015
    Rjinswand
    Still against YKTTW examples, though.
  • September 29, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    I still don't understand. What makes you think a section on YKTTW's constitutes mockery of their authors? I see no problem with including YKTTW's of my own, for example; I certainly don't see it as mockery.
  • September 29, 2015
    DAN004
    Cut the YKTTW examples and I'm good.
  • September 29, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    What's your reasoning?
  • September 30, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ pretty much the same as what ppl said. And go look for it, I already said my own too.
  • September 30, 2015
    Rjinswand
    My reasoning is that:
    • Bad YKTTW's are culled before they manage to do any "damage" (misuse, confusion, clutter) to the site;
    • Bad YKTTW's are one troper's mistakes (unlike tropes that usually need a consensus to exist);
    • Bad YKTTW's are often made by new and inexperienced tropers, who are just learning the ropes (unlike tropes that are usually launched and maintained as a collective effort, including experienced tropers).

    The main problem is, these bad YKTTW's are pilloried on that page forever. It might discourage new or inexperienced tropers from creating their YKTTW's, thinking they aren't good enough and are going to be ridiculed. But I think we, on the contrary, want to encourage tropers to create YKTTW's, even bad ones, for this site to grow and expand. What we want to discourage are bad tropes, which deserve to be mocked here. That's my opinion.
  • September 30, 2015
    Bisected8
    ^ That.

    Plus listing every rejected YKTTW would probably overwhelm the page. There's always the launch list if people want to gawk.
  • September 30, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    Even I have had my fair share of failures recently, and I happen to be a veteran Troper.
  • September 30, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ still a bad thing regardless.
  • September 30, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    I still think tropes and YKTTW's should be treated equally when it's time to dig another grave on Boot Hill. You know, this reminds me of a scene in The Magnificent Seven early on which deals with racism regarding the local Boot Hill (read: some people don't think a Native American should be buried in a white cemetery, but two of the main characters decide to defy them in a show of bravery by handling hearse duties themselves and fighting off the racist faction at the top of the hill).
  • October 1, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ would you rather bury a miscarried baby into a Boot Hill?

    Would you want me to delete that ykttw section even after this is launched? Nothing good comes out of that section, really.
  • October 1, 2015
    Rjinswand
    I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve by ignoring our actual arguments concerning the difference between YKTTW's and tropes, and instead invoking a weird metaphor of racism.
  • October 1, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ Maybe he wants to send this very ykttw to a Boot Hill too?
  • October 1, 2015
    Rjinswand
    ^ Lol

    But seriously, ryanasaurus0077, could you please address our concerns a bit more directly? I feel we need to have a discussion on this issue.
  • October 1, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    Well, it's not my intention to use the YKTTW section of this page as a platform for mockery. I hope you at least understand that.
  • October 1, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ even if so, the ykttw section needs to go.
  • October 1, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    All because of some misgivings about it?
  • October 1, 2015
    Rjinswand
    ^^^ My point was that it may happen regardless of your intentions.
  • October 2, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    Got any ideas for precautions apart from scrapping the section?
  • October 2, 2015
    DAN004
    I got one, it is named "scrapping the section".
  • October 2, 2015
    Rjinswand
    I'm afraid I don't have any. To be honest, I'm not sure why this section is needed. Mocking bad tropes that took a lot of work, time, and often, dispute to fix can be cathartic. Mocking bad YKTTW's that are easily solvable and are usually just someone's rookie mistake that's best just forgotten, seems like overkill.
  • October 2, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^^ *Death Glare*

    ^ But what if the YKTTW's problem is NOT easily solvable, such as, for example, an "appearance trope"?
  • October 2, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ again, putting ykttws in this page would make this page too overloaded. There's already Launches page.

    And even if a particular ykttw deserved to be deleted, it's still not good to mock it.
  • October 3, 2015
    Rjinswand
    ^^ It's still much easier solvable than a trope's problem. Even if a YKTTW takes ages of debate to fix, it's still not nearly bad as a bad trope. Because each second a bad trope exists, it has the chance of multiplying misuse on the wiki, confusing tropers, and potentially spawning new bad YKTT Ws too. A bad YKTTW exists only in this enclosed space, not capable of doing any harm to the wiki at large. That's the reason this wiki has the YKTTW section.

    So basically, a bad YKKTW is not yet a problem, not until it's launched as a trope. If a bad YKTTW is stopped before it's launched, then everything's great.
  • October 3, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^^ How about just the most egregious ones?
  • October 4, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ "egregious" is subjective.
  • October 4, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    Then what are examples doing outside of YMMV?
  • October 4, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ What are you talking about?
  • October 4, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    If "egregious" is subjective, it technically shouldn't be anywhere other than YMMV IIRC.
  • October 4, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ so is "deserving" or "bad" etc. Egregious is an adjective word, not really a trope. By its nature, it's subjective.
  • October 4, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    Course, if we're to include any YKTTW's here, it's clear we'll need standards for those, too.
  • October 4, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ That'd be too tedious.
  • October 5, 2015
    lakingsif
    To cut the argument here, get rid of the YKTTW section. Period.
  • October 5, 2015
    DAN004
    Or I'll cut it myself.
  • October 5, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    What is up with these defeatists?
  • October 6, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ You Keep Using That Word, I don't think "defeatist" mean what you think it means
  • October 6, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    Well, what word am I looking for?
  • October 6, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ maybe "I'll cut out the ykttw section wholeheartedly".
  • October 7, 2015
    ryanasaurus0077
    The word I'm searching for, I can't say, because there are preschool Tropers present.
  • October 7, 2015
    Diask
    ^The word you're looking for is "tropers who want you to cut the discarded YKTTWs section without giving a reason that convinces you". Wait, that's 17 words.
  • October 7, 2015
    Berrenta
    Please try to cooperate with us, ryan. We asked you to do one simple thing: remove the YKTTW section. Personally, I see no point in keeping that section.
  • October 7, 2015
    DAN004
    Consensus: 5 wants the ykttw section cut. 1 wants it to stay.
  • October 9, 2015
    CrypticMirror
    Sixth-ing cutting the YKTTW section. This article is about tropes good enough to get out of YKTTW on their own, but were done in later for... various reason.
  • October 9, 2015
    Snicka
    Seveth-ing. There are tons of YKTTW-s that get discarded for various reasons, every day, and it's hard to find a way to pick the most "egregious" ones.

    Otherwise, it's an awesome For The Lulz idea.
  • October 11, 2015
    lakingsif
    Dude, I know that as your draft you will defend your original choice, but you're not listening to reason nor consensus. It's understandable for a little while, but it's got to a point where you need to move on. Scrap the YKTTW section. Maybe we can dig it a grave on Boot Hill.
  • November 11, 2015
    alnair20aug93
  • November 11, 2015
    lakingsif
    ^ I don't think you get it.
  • November 11, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ Tropes that become ambiguity pages also count here.
  • November 11, 2015
    lakingsif
    ^ It didn't have much opposition to be become a disambig page, did it?
  • November 11, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ Some tropes become disambig because they're deemed as chairs and thus subtropes are made from them.
  • November 12, 2015
    lakingsif
    ^ Yeh, isn't the point of this being tropes that were disbanded in whatever way but only after much opposition. I don't think there was mcuh opposition at all to Bob Haircut being split.
  • November 12, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ ...Huh. I wonder if this can just cover dead tropes in general. It isn't easy to know if a trope was brought down with or without opposition.
  • November 12, 2015
    lakingsif
    If we do have an article about dead tropes, I think it should be an actual article (so with a hefty bit of writing on the subject) rather than a list of puns.
  • November 12, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ This is a Darth Wiki entry for a reason.

    And I dunno, not all of those "dead entries" above died with opposition from their creator. They all just died, without saying any details.
  • December 28, 2015
    Berrenta
    Hmmm, seems Ryan isn't removing the YKTTW section, which we asked, and I doubt he will. Last edit from him was November 12, and there's still entries that haven't been added at all. Unless if he speaks up by the 12th of January, should we label this as up for grabs? Or is it already considered as such?

    Speaking of entries (this one can go under defunct traditions):

    Epitaph could be better, but it's the best thing I can come up with.
  • December 28, 2015
    DAN004
    Trope Epitaph would be better. Boot Hill apparently has a specific kind of connotation.
  • December 29, 2015
    Arivne
    ^^ The OP ryanasaurus0077's last post in this YKTTW was on 10-7-15. It became Up For Grabs two months later on 12-7-15.

    Anyone can take it over and launch it.
  • December 29, 2015
    DAN004
    I'd like to, but maybe someone could beat me to the punch?
  • December 31, 2015
    Berrenta
    I'll go right ahead, then. Also, if anyone can think of a better one for any listed here or the OP, feel free to suggest it. As for launching, anyone want to do the honors, or shall I?

    Edits done: Added some other epitaphs, and per consensus, axed the YKTTW section.
  • December 31, 2015
    DAN004
    Again, call this Trope Epitaph.
  • January 1, 2016
    Diask

    (I know troper tales are already on the page. It's just that unreliable narrators where a minuscule problem compared to tropers not knowing when they are saying too much).
  • January 2, 2016
    Berrenta
    Trope Epitaph seems to work, yeah. And per Three Rules Of Three, changing.
  • January 2, 2016
    DAN004
    There's still the issue of the description referencing the old name of this draft.
  • January 3, 2016
    chillerboot
    Here lies Bigger Bad- it was eclipsed by the Greater Scope Villain.
  • January 3, 2016
    Berrenta
    Dan: Will go ahead and adjust it, then.
  • January 3, 2016
    DAN004
    ^... Have you done it?
  • January 3, 2016
    Berrenta
    Yeah. Am I missing any spots?
  • January 3, 2016
    DAN004
    We don't need to know whether these tropes' cut were met with resistance or not. This should count cases where everyone agrees it should be cut (and many of those in the list are).

    That's the problem with the description. Please make it sound more neutral.
  • January 3, 2016
    Snicka
    • Here lies Heavy Hippo - This big game was hunted down.
  • January 3, 2016
    shimaspawn
    I think we should make the description hammy, and over the top and make this Just for Fun rather than Darth wiki. Something like:

    Alas, poor Trope Name! I knew him Horatio. We come here to bury these tropes, not to praise them. They were killed here, by misuse, by duplication, by policy, or by just being absolutely terrible. Here in the trope cemetery, their final resting place, are their epitaphs inscribed for all posterity. For they are gone, but not forgotten. No matter how hard we try.
  • January 3, 2016
    DAN004
    ^ that sounds fine.
  • January 3, 2016
    Snicka
    ^^ I love it. And I agree, it's better as Just For Fun than as Darth Wiki.
  • January 4, 2016
    Berrenta
    Okay, that looks better. Will go ahead and do that change.
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