History YMMV / VinceMcMahon

22nd Sep '16 9:35:33 AM Cieloazul
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* HeReallyCanAct: While Vince is more known for his work backstage or on the microphone, many agree he shows impressive talent in ring for a non wrestler, taking a lot of carnage and selling far more abuse than a lot of iconic superstars would be willing to. When you consider that he wanted to be a wrestler and the only reason he wasn't able to pursue that dream was because of his father, it makes you wonder how much talent he truly has.

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* HeReallyCanAct: While Vince is more known for his work backstage or on the microphone, many agree he shows impressive talent in ring for a non wrestler, taking a lot of carnage and selling far more abuse than a lot of iconic superstars would be willing to. When you consider that he wanted to be a wrestler and the only reason he wasn't able to pursue that dream was because of his father, it makes you wonder how much talent he truly has.it takes a whole new meaning.
15th Sep '16 7:00:42 PM Gimere
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* BaseBreaker: The greatest example in professional wrestling, with [[Wrestling/ChrisBenoit one notable exception.]] He's either an incredible businessman who took a carny-run business and turned it into an entertainment juggernaut, or he's a ruthless asshat that did everything in his power to crush his opposition and then [[{{Hypocrite}} whined about the same thing happening to him]].

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: The greatest example in professional wrestling, with [[Wrestling/ChrisBenoit one notable exception.]] He's either an incredible businessman who took a carny-run business and turned it into an entertainment juggernaut, or he's a ruthless asshat that did everything in his power to crush his opposition and then [[{{Hypocrite}} whined about the same thing happening to him]].
22nd Jul '16 11:13:34 AM Nyame
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* PyrrhicVictory: Congratulations, Vince! You finally got Roman Reigns his Wrestlemania Moment by having him pin Triple H clean as a whistle in the main event of Wrestlemania 32…you just had to deal with massive ratings declines, a widespread apathy for the WWE product, and ignore the countless pleas from fans, analysts, and ''former WWE superstars like StoneColdSteveAustin'' begging you to turn Reigns heel [[note]] It is a very time-tested method in professional wrestling for bland characters to turn heel, because that allows them to be more creative and then come up with a quirk that allows the fans to start cheering for them: for example, The Rock started to get cheered as a heel because of his douchebag, cocky promos. Mick Foley turned face because fans started to be sympathetic to Mankind, that pain-intolerant Muppet. Stone Cold got over because who ''hasn't'' dreamed of kicking their boss' ass? Reigns is currently criticized because there is no ''reason'' to cheer him: he's just sort of…there. [[/note]] instead of carrying on with his currently bland babyface character. You got your boy his moment: you just might have kneecapped your company to do it.
** As an epilogue, three months later Reigns violated the Wellness Policy, forcing the company to take the belt off him and suspend him, effectively flushing his two year-push down the toilet. The IWC promptly threw a massive celebration all across the Internet.[[note]]Seriously. Currently, the eighth highest upvoted thread of all time on [[Website/{{Reddit}} r/SquaredCircle]] is Roman's suspension. The fans were ''that'' happy.[[/note]]
* TheScrappy: Not character-wise -- where he's LoveToHate-able -- but in real life to endless amounts of smarks for his more recent business decisions such as turning the entire promotion PG, frequently pushing smark unfavorites (John Cena, Randy Orton, Big Show, Kane, Roman Reigns, Sheamus, Alberto Del Rio, The Miz, The Bella Twins, etc.) at the expense of smark {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s (Daniel Bryan, Bray Wyatt, Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, Dolph Ziggler, Cesaro, The New Day, Kevin Owens, The Four Horsewomen, etc.), being a ControlFreak BadBoss seemingly everywhere he goes, making TakeThatAudience jokes toward said fans, and likely refusing to retire and/or show any leniency anytime soon.
** After ''Wrestling/SurvivorSeries 2015'', Vince became so universally despised that fans were either demanding his outright dismissal or retirement, or ''[[DudeNotFunny hoping that he'd keel over and die already]]''. Practically all the XPacHeat that his [[CreatorsPet Creator's Pets]] besides [[spoiler:Wrestling/{{Sheamus}}]] have, primarily Wrestling/RomanReigns', got transferred to him and [[spoiler:Sheamus]] overnight, especially after reports came in the next day that [[spoiler:Vince booked the Wrestling/{{Sheamus}} cash-in simply because he didn't want Reigns to get booed]]. His current mismanagement of ''all'' the talent, not just the smark favorites, and unwillingness to evolve the product in any way to keep it interesting is destroying his reputation much in the vein of, ironically, Wrestling/EricBischoff, with many pointing out that if he continues to be at the helm, WWE will start to go down the way its chief rival, Wrestling/{{WCW}}, did, if it hasn't already.



* PyrrhicVictory: Congratulations, Vince! You finally got Roman Reigns his Wrestlemania Moment by having him pin Triple H clean as a whistle in the main event of Wrestlemania 32…you just had to deal with massive ratings declines, a widespread apathy for the WWE product, and ignore the countless pleas from fans, analysts, and ''former WWE superstars like StoneColdSteveAustin'' begging you to turn Reigns heel [[note]] It is a very time-tested method in professional wrestling for bland characters to turn heel, because that allows them to be more creative and then come up with a quirk that allows the fans to start cheering for them: for example, The Rock started to get cheered as a heel because of his douchebag, cocky promos. Mick Foley turned face because fans started to be sympathetic to Mankind, that pain-intolerant Muppet. Stone Cold got over because who ''hasn't'' dreamed of kicking their boss' ass? Reigns is currently criticized because there is no ''reason'' to cheer him: he's just sort of…there. [[/note]] instead of carrying on with his currently bland babyface character. You got your boy his moment: you just might have kneecapped your company to do it.
** As an epilogue, three months later Reigns violated the Wellness Policy, forcing the company to take the belt off him and suspend him, effectively flushing his two year-push down the toilet. The IWC promptly threw a massive celebration all across the Internet.[[note]]Seriously. Currently, the eighth highest upvoted thread of all time on [[Website/{{Reddit}} r/SquaredCircle]] is Roman's suspension. The fans were ''that'' happy.[[/note]]
* TheScrappy: Not character-wise -- where he's LoveToHate-able -- but in real life to endless amounts of smarks for his more recent business decisions such as turning the entire promotion PG, frequently pushing smark unfavorites (John Cena, Randy Orton, Big Show, Kane, Roman Reigns, Sheamus, Alberto Del Rio, The Miz, The Bella Twins, etc.) at the expense of smark {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s (Daniel Bryan, Bray Wyatt, Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, Dolph Ziggler, Cesaro, The New Day, Kevin Owens, The Four Horsewomen, etc.), being a ControlFreak BadBoss seemingly everywhere he goes, making TakeThatAudience jokes toward said fans, and likely refusing to retire and/or show any leniency anytime soon.
** After ''Wrestling/SurvivorSeries 2015'', Vince became so universally despised that fans were either demanding his outright dismissal or retirement, or ''[[DudeNotFunny hoping that he'd keel over and die already]]''. Practically all the XPacHeat that his [[CreatorsPet Creator's Pets]] besides [[spoiler:Wrestling/{{Sheamus}}]] have, primarily Wrestling/RomanReigns', got transferred to him and [[spoiler:Sheamus]] overnight, especially after reports came in the next day that [[spoiler:Vince booked the Wrestling/{{Sheamus}} cash-in simply because he didn't want Reigns to get booed]]. His current mismanagement of ''all'' the talent, not just the smark favorites, and unwillingness to evolve the product in any way to keep it interesting is destroying his reputation much in the vein of, ironically, Wrestling/EricBischoff, with many pointing out that if he continues to be at the helm, WWE will start to go down the way its chief rival, Wrestling/{{WCW}}, did, if it hasn't already.
22nd Jul '16 11:11:12 AM Nyame
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** As an epilogue, three months later Reigns violated the Wellness Policy, forcing the company to take the belt off him and suspend him, effectively flushing his two year-push down the toilet. The IWC promptly threw a massive celebration all across the Internet.[[note]]Seriously. Currently, the eighth highest upvoted thread of all time on [[Website/{{Reddit}} r/SquaredCircle]] is Roman's suspension. The fans were ''that'' happy.[[/note]]
19th Jun '16 10:52:06 AM MorgenReiter
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** Alternative AuthorAvatar Interpretation: In Wrestling/{{Ted DiBiase}}'s autobiography ''Every Man Has His Price'', he claimed that, right before he walked into Vince's office to find out about the "Million Dollar Man" gimmick, Pat Patterson told him that the gimmick he was getting would be the one Vince himself would use if he was a wrestler. According to [=DiBiase=], Vince explained it to him as a wrestling version of Creator/DonaldTrump. This suggests that Vince's weird Drumpf fixation, which became most blatant in 2007, went back at least to 1987, and possibly earlier.

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** Alternative AuthorAvatar Interpretation: In Wrestling/{{Ted DiBiase}}'s autobiography ''Every Man Has His Price'', he claimed that, right before he walked into Vince's office to find out about the "Million Dollar Man" gimmick, Pat Patterson told him that the gimmick he was getting would be the one Vince himself would use if he was a wrestler. According to [=DiBiase=], Vince explained it to him as a wrestling version of Creator/DonaldTrump. This suggests that Vince's weird Drumpf Trump fixation, which became most blatant in 2007, went back at least to 1987, and possibly earlier.
19th Jun '16 10:50:22 AM MorgenReiter
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** Alternative AuthorAvatar Interpretation: In Wrestling/{{Ted DiBiase}}'s autobiography ''Every Man Has His Price'', he claimed that, right before he walked into Vince's office to find out about the "Million Dollar Man" gimmick, Pat Patterson told him that the gimmick he was getting would be the one Vince himself would use if he was a wrestler. According to [=DiBiase=], Vince explained it to him as a wrestling version of Creator/DonaldTrump. This suggests that Vince's weird Trump fixation, which became most blatant in 2007, went back at least to 1987, and possibly earlier.

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** Alternative AuthorAvatar Interpretation: In Wrestling/{{Ted DiBiase}}'s autobiography ''Every Man Has His Price'', he claimed that, right before he walked into Vince's office to find out about the "Million Dollar Man" gimmick, Pat Patterson told him that the gimmick he was getting would be the one Vince himself would use if he was a wrestler. According to [=DiBiase=], Vince explained it to him as a wrestling version of Creator/DonaldTrump. This suggests that Vince's weird Trump Drumpf fixation, which became most blatant in 2007, went back at least to 1987, and possibly earlier.



** He's either AFatherToHisMen, allowing his wrestlers second chances and paying for their drug/alcohol rehab, or he's a [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Mr. Burns imitator]] who classifies his workers are [[{{Newspeak}} "Independent Contractors"]] so he doesn't have to shell out health insurance or give them an offseason. (I never knew independent contractors were so dependant on terms and conditions...)
** He's either a creative genius who single-handedly birthed the cable wrestling industry as we know it, or a confused old man with an infantile sense of humor who holds way too much creative power. The one thing everyone ''can'' agree on is Vinnie Mac is a master showman. (Better on the mic than Trips and Nips, certainly.)

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** He's either AFatherToHisMen, allowing his wrestlers second chances and paying for their drug/alcohol rehab, or he's a [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Mr. Burns imitator]] who classifies his workers are [[{{Newspeak}} "Independent Contractors"]] so he doesn't have to shell out health insurance or give them an offseason. (I never knew independent contractors were so dependant on terms and conditions...)
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** He's either a creative genius who single-handedly birthed the cable wrestling industry as we know it, or a confused old man with an infantile sense of humor who holds way too much creative power. The one thing everyone ''can'' agree generally agreea on is that Vinnie Mac is a master showman. (Better on the mic than Trips and Nips, certainly.)showman.



* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: See TheScrappy and FallenCreator on [[Trivia/VinceMcMahon his trivia page]]. The fans have lost complete faith in Vince after 2015, and most have resigned themselves to the fact that things are not going to get better until Hunter takes over completely. The issue is that he's given no indication that he's retiring or dying anytime soon, and many don't have the patience or the will to endure anymore, as indicated by the declining ratings for RAW and the absolute rage across the Internet.
* FallenCreator: He would rather make a hundred dollars with his own idea than a million dollars with someone else's, and extends to the performers under his employ, where Wrestling/KevinNash once said that Vince would rather make his own star rather than ''a'' star. While this has been beneficial at times, over the years it's become blatantly clear that it's also a detriment as Vince has become more out of touch with the modern wrestling audience. Those who look at history more objectively these days point out that the Wrestling/AttitudeEra, the company's most profitable and successful period, was basically just Vince removing the leash and letting the performers run wild and do what they want. Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin and Wrestling/TheRock, the two biggest stars from that period, were basically playing themselves, but "turned up to 11".\\\
These days, as wrestling enters a downtrend, it's been noted that the working environment in the company has become creatively stifling, with the characters of several superstars, most notably Wrestling/RomanReigns, having been micromanaged, and that management has been in-fighting over the creative direction of the overall product. Vince, as the one who has the final say, thus gets most of the blame for the terrible/predictable/bland booking decisions that are made, with many campaigning for his removal (feet-first, most likely, unless the Board gets fed up) so ''Hunter'' can take over, of all people.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: See TheScrappy and FallenCreator on [[Trivia/VinceMcMahon his trivia page]].TheScrappy. The fans have lost complete faith in Vince after 2015, and most have resigned themselves to the fact that things are not going to get better until Hunter takes over completely. The issue is that he's given no indication that he's retiring or dying anytime soon, and many don't have the patience or the will to endure anymore, as indicated by the declining ratings for RAW and the absolute rage across the Internet.
* FallenCreator: He would rather make a hundred dollars with his own idea than a million dollars with someone else's, and extends to the performers under his employ, where Wrestling/KevinNash once said that Vince would rather make his own star rather than ''a'' star. While this has been beneficial at times, over the years it's become blatantly clear that it's also a detriment as Vince has become more out of touch with the modern wrestling audience. Those who look at history more objectively these days point out that the Wrestling/AttitudeEra, the company's most profitable and successful period, was basically just Vince removing the leash and letting the performers run wild and do what they want. Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin and Wrestling/TheRock, the two biggest stars from that period, were basically playing themselves, but "turned up to 11".\\\
These days, as wrestling enters a downtrend, it's been noted that the working environment in the company has become creatively stifling, with the characters of several superstars, most notably Wrestling/RomanReigns, having been micromanaged, and that management has been in-fighting over the creative direction of the overall product. Vince, as the one who has the final say, thus gets most of the blame for the terrible/predictable/bland booking decisions that are made, with many campaigning for his removal (feet-first, most likely, unless the Board gets fed up) so ''Hunter'' can take over, of all people.
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11th Apr '16 11:35:57 AM GrecoRomanGuy
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* PyrrhicVictory: Congratulations, Vince! You finally got Roman Reigns his Wrestlemania Moment by having him pin Triple H clean as a whistle in the main event of Wrestlemania 32…you just had to deal with massive ratings declines, a widespread apathy for the WWE product, and ignore the countless pleas from fans, analysts, and ''former WWE superstars like StoneColdSteveAustin'' begging you to turn Reigns heel [[note]] It is a very time-tested method in professional wrestling for bland characters to turn heel, because that allows them to be more creative and then come up with a quirk that allows the fans to start cheering for them: for example, The Rock started to get cheered as a heel because of his douchebag, cocky promos. Mick Foley turned face because fans started to be sympathetic to Mankind, that pain-intolerant Muppet. Stone Cold got over because who ''hasn't'' dreamed of kicking their boss' ass? Reigns is currently criticized because there is no ''reason'' to cheer him: he's just sort of…there. [[/note]] instead of carrying on with his currently bland babyface character. You got your boy his moment: you just might have kneecapped your company to do it.
4th Apr '16 11:47:27 AM Peridonyx
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* ProtectionFromEditors: That's the best part about having a dynasty: you can afford not to give a damn what the internet thinks.
-->'''IWC''': Vince doesn't understand tag teams and how they could draw!\\
'''Vince''': ''*rolls in money*''\\
'''IWC''': Vince just pushes big guys instead of great wrestlers!\\
'''Vince''': ''*rolls in money*''\\
'''IWC''': Vince is a millionaire that SHOULD be a billionaire!\\
'''Vince''': ''*rolls in money*''
8th Mar '16 12:45:54 PM CptnLhurgoyf
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* HilariousInHindsight: After ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' became popular in the west, people made a ''lot'' of mashups of the already memetic "it's me, Austin!" and "it was me, Dio!" clips.
10th Jan '16 1:40:09 AM jenkind1
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** [[PatrioticFervor Most of those]] [[ForeignWrestlingHeel dirty non-Americans]] (who make up large portions of his audience) in general.
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