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Wrong-way hindsight and actor trivia shoehorn


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** This isn't the first time Creator/JavierBardem plays a LatinLover who goes {{polyamory}} without initially intending to, with two women. It already happened in ''Film/{{Golden Balls|1993}}''.
** Creator/ScarlettJohansson and Creator/RebeccaHall had previously starred in ''Film/ThePrestige'' as romantic rivals to the same man.
** Creator/PenelopeCruz pretty much plays the exact same character in ''Theatre/{{Nine|Musical}}'' one year later. And Javier Bardem was even going to play the lead in that too! She would also be the only actor in the film to get an Oscar nomination.
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** This isn't the first time Creator/JavierBardem playes a LatinLover who goes {{polyamory}} without initially intending to, with two women. It already happened in ''Film/{{Golden Balls|1993}}''.

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** This isn't the first time Creator/JavierBardem playes plays a LatinLover who goes {{polyamory}} without initially intending to, with two women. It already happened in ''Film/{{Golden Balls|1993}}''.
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** This isn't the first time Creator/JavierBardem playes a LatinLover who goes {{polyamory}} without intending to, with two women. It already happened in ''Film/{{Golden Balls|1993}}''.

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** This isn't the first time Creator/JavierBardem playes a LatinLover who goes {{polyamory}} without initially intending to, with two women. It already happened in ''Film/{{Golden Balls|1993}}''.
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** This isn't the first time Creator/JavierBardem goes {{polyamory}} without intending to, with two women. It already happened in ''Film/{{Golden Balls|1993}}''.

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** This isn't the first time Creator/JavierBardem playes a LatinLover who goes {{polyamory}} without intending to, with two women. It already happened in ''Film/{{Golden Balls|1993}}''.
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** This isn't the first time Creator/JavierBardem goes {{polyamory}} with two women. It already happened in ''Film/{{Golden Balls|1993}}''.

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** This isn't the first time Creator/JavierBardem goes {{polyamory}} without intending to, with two women. It already happened in ''Film/{{Golden Balls|1993}}''.
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** This isn't the first time Creator/JavierBardem goes {{polyamory}}. It already happened in ''Film/{{Golden Balls|1993}}''.

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** This isn't the first time Creator/JavierBardem goes {{polyamory}}. It already happened in ''Film/{{Golden Balls|1993}}''.



** Creator/PenelopeCruz pretty much plays the exact same character in ''Theatre/{{Nine|Musical}}'' one year later. And Creator/JavierBardem was even going to play the lead in that too! She would also be the only actor in the film to get an Oscar nomination.

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** Creator/PenelopeCruz pretty much plays the exact same character in ''Theatre/{{Nine|Musical}}'' one year later. And Creator/JavierBardem Javier Bardem was even going to play the lead in that too! She would also be the only actor in the film to get an Oscar nomination.
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* CoupleBomb: Subverted. Creator/PenelopeCruz and Creator/JavierBardem dated and eventually married, but the film was a $96 million hit and got Penelope an Oscar for Best Supporting Actress.
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** Creator/PenelopeCruz pretty much plays the exact same character in ''Theatre/NineMusical'' one year later. And Creator/JavierBardem was even going to play the lead in that too! She would also be the only actor in the film to get an Oscar nomination.

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** Creator/PenelopeCruz pretty much plays the exact same character in ''Theatre/NineMusical'' ''Theatre/{{Nine|Musical}}'' one year later. And Creator/JavierBardem was even going to play the lead in that too! She would also be the only actor in the film to get an Oscar nomination.
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Exact screentime like that, especially when it’s actually a large number adds little. This only talks about her small role and nothing about why she’s an actual darkhorse. I’m too unfamiliar with the film to add the latter


* EnsembleDarkhorse: Maria Elena doesn't appear until nearly an hour into the movie, and has forty-one minutes of screen time. Yet Creator/PenelopeCruz got the film's only Oscar nomination and won.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Maria Elena doesn't appear until nearly an hour into the movie, and has forty-one minutes of screen time. Yet yet Creator/PenelopeCruz got the film's only Oscar nomination and won.
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* BestKnownForTheFanservice: This is that movie where Creator/ScarlettJohansson and Creator/PenelopeCruz make out]], right?

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* BestKnownForTheFanservice: This is that movie where Creator/ScarlettJohansson and Creator/PenelopeCruz [[GirlOnGirlIsHot make out]], right?
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* BestKnownForTheFanservice: This is that movie where [[GirlOnGirlIsHot Scarlett Johansson and Penelope Cruz make out]], right?
* CoupleBomb: Subverted. Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem dated and eventually married, but the film was a $96 million hit and got Penelope an Oscar for Best Supporting Actress.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Maria Elena doesn't appear until nearly an hour into the movie, and has forty-one minutes of screen time. Yet Penelope Cruz got the film's only Oscar nomination and won.

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* BestKnownForTheFanservice: This is that movie where [[GirlOnGirlIsHot Scarlett Johansson Creator/ScarlettJohansson and Penelope Cruz Creator/PenelopeCruz make out]], right?
* CoupleBomb: Subverted. Penelope Cruz Creator/PenelopeCruz and Javier Bardem Creator/JavierBardem dated and eventually married, but the film was a $96 million hit and got Penelope an Oscar for Best Supporting Actress.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Maria Elena doesn't appear until nearly an hour into the movie, and has forty-one minutes of screen time. Yet Penelope Cruz Creator/PenelopeCruz got the film's only Oscar nomination and won.



** Scarlett Johansson and Rebecca Hall had previously starred in ''Film/ThePrestige'' as romantic rivals to the same man.
** Penelope Cruz pretty much plays the exact same character in ''Theatre/NineMusical'' one year later. And Javier Bardem was even going to play the lead in that too! She would also be the only actor in the film to get an Oscar nomination.
* JerkassWoobie: Despite being a horrible emotional (and sometimes physical) abuser, Maria Elena does struggle with numerous suicide attempts and Penelope Cruz imbues her with so much sincere emotion that you do feel sorry for her.

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** Scarlett Johansson Creator/ScarlettJohansson and Rebecca Hall Creator/RebeccaHall had previously starred in ''Film/ThePrestige'' as romantic rivals to the same man.
** Penelope Cruz Creator/PenelopeCruz pretty much plays the exact same character in ''Theatre/NineMusical'' one year later. And Javier Bardem Creator/JavierBardem was even going to play the lead in that too! She would also be the only actor in the film to get an Oscar nomination.
* JerkassWoobie: Despite being a horrible emotional (and sometimes physical) abuser, Maria Elena does struggle with numerous suicide attempts and Penelope Cruz Creator/PenelopeCruz imbues her with so much sincere emotion that you do feel sorry for her.



* SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct: Scarlett Johansson was singled out among a lot of critical praises of the film - as she had mostly been starring in teen movies, comedies and rarely-seen indie dramas.

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* SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct: Scarlett Johansson Creator/ScarlettJohansson was singled out among a lot of critical praises of the film - as she had mostly been starring in teen movies, comedies and rarely-seen indie dramas.



* TestosteroneBrigade: Featuring the beautiful ladies Scarlett Johansson, Rebecca Hall and Penelope Cruz - two of whom [[GirlOnGirlIsHot briefly get together]] - and set in a hot climate like Spain, allowing the actresses to wear not very much.

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* TestosteroneBrigade: Featuring the beautiful ladies Scarlett Johansson, Rebecca Hall Creator/ScarlettJohansson, Creator/RebeccaHall and Penelope Cruz Creator/PenelopeCruz - two of whom [[GirlOnGirlIsHot briefly get together]] - and set in a hot climate like Spain, allowing the actresses to wear not very much.

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* CoupleBomb: Subverted. Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem dated and eventually married, but the film was a $96 million hit and got Penelope an Oscar for Best Supporting Actress.



* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: Scarlett Johansson was singled out among a lot of critical praises of the film - as she had mostly been starring in teen movies, comedies and rarely-seen indie dramas.



** Penelope Cruz pretty much plays the exact same character in ''Film/NineMusical'' one year later. And Javier Bardem was even going to play the lead in that too! She would also be the only actor in the film to get an Oscar nomination.

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** Penelope Cruz pretty much plays the exact same character in ''Film/NineMusical'' ''Theatre/NineMusical'' one year later. And Javier Bardem was even going to play the lead in that too! She would also be the only actor in the film to get an Oscar nomination.nomination.
* JerkassWoobie: Despite being a horrible emotional (and sometimes physical) abuser, Maria Elena does struggle with numerous suicide attempts and Penelope Cruz imbues her with so much sincere emotion that you do feel sorry for her.


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* SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct: Scarlett Johansson was singled out among a lot of critical praises of the film - as she had mostly been starring in teen movies, comedies and rarely-seen indie dramas.


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* TestosteroneBrigade: Featuring the beautiful ladies Scarlett Johansson, Rebecca Hall and Penelope Cruz - two of whom [[GirlOnGirlIsHot briefly get together]] - and set in a hot climate like Spain, allowing the actresses to wear not very much.
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* HeReallyCanAct: Scarlett Johansson was singled out among a lot of critical praises of the film - as she had mostly been starring in teen movies, comedies and rarely-seen indie dramas.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
** The narrative - and Vicky herself - views Maria Elena and Juan Antonio's relationship as mutually toxic. But really Maria Elena is a straight-up abuser; she uses her suicide attempt as an excuse to claw her way back into Juan Antonio's life, attributes all of his success as an artist to her, resorts to emotional blackmail [[spoiler: when Cristina ends things and tries to ''shoot'' Juan Antonio]].
** Vicky could be someone who just pretends to be more responsible and structured than Cristina - but secretly longs to be able to cut loose. One has to wonder how her marriage with Doug will endure if she keeps suppressing that side of herself.
** As noted on the main page, Cristina's photography skills are a bit of an InformedAbility. Maybe Maria Elena is just indulging her to win her into her good books?



* HilariousInHindsight: Scarlett Johansson and Rebecca Hall had previously starred in ''Film/ThePrestige'' as romantic rivals to the same man.
* SheReallyCanAct: This being before Scarlett Johansson had really won critics over, she was singled out as a highlight of the cast.

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* HilariousInHindsight: HeReallyCanAct: Scarlett Johansson was singled out among a lot of critical praises of the film - as she had mostly been starring in teen movies, comedies and rarely-seen indie dramas.
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Scarlett Johansson and Rebecca Hall had previously starred in ''Film/ThePrestige'' as romantic rivals to the same man.
* SheReallyCanAct: This being before Scarlett Johansson had really won critics over, she ** Penelope Cruz pretty much plays the exact same character in ''Film/NineMusical'' one year later. And Javier Bardem was singled out as a highlight even going to play the lead in that too! She would also be the only actor in the film to get an Oscar nomination.
* JustHereForGodzilla: Some watch the movie just for the cinematography showing off the Spanish landscape. It was all filmed on location too.
* {{Narm}}: Some
of the cast.overly long and flowery words can get a bit silly after a while - especially when a character like Cristina is saying them. It brings to mind the episode of ''{{Series/Friends}}'' where Joey uses a thesaurus to make every word sound 'smart'.
* StoicWoobie: Considering Juan Antonio has been a victim of emotional (and sometimes physical) abuse from his ex-wife, it's impressive how stoic he is most of the time.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Vicky comes across as unnecessarily judgmental when it comes to other people's lives - especially with Cristina. She's particularly horrible to Juan Antonio, telling him he probably deserved it when his wife ''stabbed'' him. And she continues the victim blaming when [[spoiler: Maria Elena tries to shoot him]]! She also freely cheats on Doug - first with Juan Antonio and later emotionally with a man in her class.
* TheWoobie: Cristina when you think about it. Unlike her more structured friend, she has no idea what she wants out of life. And she's fully aware of it - so most of what she does is out of a desire to feel anything.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Maria Elena doesn't appear until nearly an hour into the movie, and has forty-one minutes of screen time. Yet Penelope Cruz got the film's only Oscar nomination and won.
* HilariousInHindsight: Scarlett Johansson and Rebecca Hall had previously starred in ''Film/ThePrestige'' as romantic rivals to the same man.
* SheReallyCanAct: This being before Scarlett Johansson had really won critics over, she was singled out as a highlight of the cast.
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* CreatorProvincialism: In 2002, Creator/WoodyAllen received the Prince of Asturias Award[[note]]Spain's most prestigious award, similar to the Nobel Prize[[/note]] and, immediately afterwards in Oviedo (that place Vicky somehow had never heard of), said "when I left [[BigApplesauce New York]], the most exciting film in the city at the time was Spanish, Creator/PedroAlmodovar's [[Film/TalkToHer one]]. I hope that Europeans will continue to lead the way in filmmaking because at the moment not much is coming from UsefulNotes/{{the United States}}." By getting his new favourite city in, perhaps he was trying to remedy this (and getting Creator/PenelopeCruz to star).

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* CreatorProvincialism: In 2002, Creator/WoodyAllen received the Prince of Asturias Award[[note]]Spain's most prestigious award, similar to the Nobel Prize[[/note]] and, immediately afterwards in Oviedo (that place Vicky somehow had never heard of), said "when I left [[BigApplesauce New York]], the most exciting film in the city at the time was Spanish, Creator/PedroAlmodovar's [[Film/TalkToHer one]]. I hope that Europeans will continue to lead the way in filmmaking because at the moment not much is coming from UsefulNotes/{{the United States}}." By getting his new favourite city in, perhaps he was trying to remedy this (and getting Creator/PenelopeCruz to star).----
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This trope is actually Trivia, so I'm taking it to the Trivia tab.


* CreatorProvincialism: In 2002, Creator/WoodyAllen received the Prince of Asturias Award[[note]]Spain's most prestigious award, similar to the Nobel Prize[[/note]] and, immediately afterwards in Oviedo (that place Vicky somehow had never heard of), said "when I left [[BigApplesauce New York]], the most exciting film in the city at the time was Spanish, Creator/PedroAlmodovar's [[Film/TalkToHer one]]. I hope that Europeans will continue to lead the way in filmmaking because at the moment not much is coming from UsefulNotes/{{the United States}}." By getting his new favourite city in, perhaps he was trying to remedy this (and getting Creator/PenelopeCruz to star).
* NamesTheSame: The amazing Spanish writer-director Creator/JuanAntonioBardem is possibly given a ShoutOut with Creator/JavierBardem's character Juan Antonio.

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* CreatorProvincialism: In 2002, Creator/WoodyAllen received the Prince of Asturias Award[[note]]Spain's most prestigious award, similar to the Nobel Prize[[/note]] and, immediately afterwards in Oviedo (that place Vicky somehow had never heard of), said "when I left [[BigApplesauce New York]], the most exciting film in the city at the time was Spanish, Creator/PedroAlmodovar's [[Film/TalkToHer one]]. I hope that Europeans will continue to lead the way in filmmaking because at the moment not much is coming from UsefulNotes/{{the United States}}." By getting his new favourite city in, perhaps he was trying to remedy this (and getting Creator/PenelopeCruz to star).
* NamesTheSame: The amazing Spanish writer-director Creator/JuanAntonioBardem is possibly given a ShoutOut with Creator/JavierBardem's character Juan Antonio.
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* CreatorProvincialism: In 2002, Creator/WoodyAllen received the Prince of Asturias Award[note]Spain's most prestigious award, similar to the Nobel Prize[/note] and, immediately afterwards in Oviedo (that place Vicky somehow had never heard of), said "when I left [[BigApplesauce New York]], the most exciting film in the city at the time was Spanish, Creator/PedroAlmodovar's [[Film/TalkToHer one]]. I hope that Europeans will continue to lead the way in filmmaking because at the moment not much is coming from UsefulNotes/{{the United States}}." By getting his new favourite city in, perhaps he was trying to remedy this (and getting Creator/PenelopeCruz to star).

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* CreatorProvincialism: In 2002, Creator/WoodyAllen received the Prince of Asturias Award[note]Spain's Award[[note]]Spain's most prestigious award, similar to the Nobel Prize[/note] Prize[[/note]] and, immediately afterwards in Oviedo (that place Vicky somehow had never heard of), said "when I left [[BigApplesauce New York]], the most exciting film in the city at the time was Spanish, Creator/PedroAlmodovar's [[Film/TalkToHer one]]. I hope that Europeans will continue to lead the way in filmmaking because at the moment not much is coming from UsefulNotes/{{the United States}}." By getting his new favourite city in, perhaps he was trying to remedy this (and getting Creator/PenelopeCruz to star).
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* CreatorProvincialism: In 2002, Creator/WoodyAllen received the Prince of Asturias Award and, immediately afterwards in Oviedo (that place Vicky somehow had never heard of), said "when I left [[BigApplesauce New York]], the most exciting film in the city at the time was Spanish, Creator/PedroAlmodovar's [[Film/TalkToHer one]]. I hope that Europeans will continue to lead the way in filmmaking because at the moment not much is coming from UsefulNotes/{{the United States}}." By getting his new favourite city in, perhaps he was trying to remedy this (and getting Creator/PenelopeCruz to star).

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* CreatorProvincialism: In 2002, Creator/WoodyAllen received the Prince of Asturias Award Award[note]Spain's most prestigious award, similar to the Nobel Prize[/note] and, immediately afterwards in Oviedo (that place Vicky somehow had never heard of), said "when I left [[BigApplesauce New York]], the most exciting film in the city at the time was Spanish, Creator/PedroAlmodovar's [[Film/TalkToHer one]]. I hope that Europeans will continue to lead the way in filmmaking because at the moment not much is coming from UsefulNotes/{{the United States}}." By getting his new favourite city in, perhaps he was trying to remedy this (and getting Creator/PenelopeCruz to star).
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* BestKnownForTheFanservice:...This is that movie where [[GirlOnGirlIsHot Scarlett Johansson and Penelope Cruz make out]], right?
* CreatorProvincialism: In 2002, Creator/WoodyAllen received the Prince of Asturias Award and, immediately afterwards in Oviedo (that place Vicky somehow had never heard of), said "when I left [[BigApplesauce New York]], the most exciting film in the city at the time was Spanish, Creator/PedroAlmodovar's [[Film/TalkToHer one]]. I hope that Europeans will continue to lead the way in filmmaking because at the moment not much is coming from [[{{Eagleland}} the United States]]." By getting his new favourite city in, perhaps he was trying to remedy this (and getting [[Creator/PenelopeCruz Pené]] to star).

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* BestKnownForTheFanservice:...BestKnownForTheFanservice: This is that movie where [[GirlOnGirlIsHot Scarlett Johansson and Penelope Cruz make out]], right?
* CreatorProvincialism: In 2002, Creator/WoodyAllen received the Prince of Asturias Award and, immediately afterwards in Oviedo (that place Vicky somehow had never heard of), said "when I left [[BigApplesauce New York]], the most exciting film in the city at the time was Spanish, Creator/PedroAlmodovar's [[Film/TalkToHer one]]. I hope that Europeans will continue to lead the way in filmmaking because at the moment not much is coming from [[{{Eagleland}} the UsefulNotes/{{the United States]].States}}." By getting his new favourite city in, perhaps he was trying to remedy this (and getting [[Creator/PenelopeCruz Pené]] Creator/PenelopeCruz to star).
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* CreatorProvincialism: In 2002, Creator/WoodyAllen received the Prince of Asturias Award and, immediately afterwards in Oviedo (that place Vicky somehow had never heard of), said "when I left [[BigApplesauce New York]], the most exciting film in the city at the time was Spanish, Creator/PedroAlmodovar's [[Film/{{Volver}} one]]. I hope that Europeans will continue to lead the way in filmmaking because at the moment not much is coming from [[{{Eagleland}} the United States]]." By getting his new favourite city in, perhaps he was trying to remedy this (and getting [[Creator/PenelopeCruz Pené]] to star).

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* CreatorProvincialism: In 2002, Creator/WoodyAllen received the Prince of Asturias Award and, immediately afterwards in Oviedo (that place Vicky somehow had never heard of), said "when I left [[BigApplesauce New York]], the most exciting film in the city at the time was Spanish, Creator/PedroAlmodovar's [[Film/{{Volver}} [[Film/TalkToHer one]]. I hope that Europeans will continue to lead the way in filmmaking because at the moment not much is coming from [[{{Eagleland}} the United States]]." By getting his new favourite city in, perhaps he was trying to remedy this (and getting [[Creator/PenelopeCruz Pené]] to star).
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* BestKnownForTheFanservice:...This is that movie where [[GirlOnGirlIsHot Scarlett Johansson and Penelope Cruz make out]], right?

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* BestKnownForTheFanservice:...This is that movie where [[GirlOnGirlIsHot Scarlett Johansson and Penelope Cruz make out]], right?right?
* CreatorProvincialism: In 2002, Creator/WoodyAllen received the Prince of Asturias Award and, immediately afterwards in Oviedo (that place Vicky somehow had never heard of), said "when I left [[BigApplesauce New York]], the most exciting film in the city at the time was Spanish, Creator/PedroAlmodovar's [[Film/{{Volver}} one]]. I hope that Europeans will continue to lead the way in filmmaking because at the moment not much is coming from [[{{Eagleland}} the United States]]." By getting his new favourite city in, perhaps he was trying to remedy this (and getting [[Creator/PenelopeCruz Pené]] to star).
* NamesTheSame: The amazing Spanish writer-director Creator/JuanAntonioBardem is possibly given a ShoutOut with Creator/JavierBardem's character Juan Antonio.
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* EveryoneRemembersTheStripper:...This is that movie where [[GirlOnGirlIsHot Scarlett Johansson and Penelope Cruz make out]], right?

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* EveryoneRemembersTheStripper:...BestKnownForTheFanservice:...This is that movie where [[GirlOnGirlIsHot Scarlett Johansson and Penelope Cruz make out]], right?
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