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* AluminumChristmasTrees: Achilles, who is described as blond and pale-skinned in ''Literature/TheIliad'', is played by a black actor here. However, there are other stories of the Trojan War with a black character, Memnon the Ethiopian,[[note]]Not necessarily from Ethiopia - ''Ethiopian'' was the term used for black people generally in ancient Greece.[[/note]] who's allied with Troy (he's also usually absent in adaptations, even although he is even described as nearly Achilles' equal in skill at arms, getting killed while fighting him). Additionally, in the ancient world skin color wasn't the most important marker of nationality, your language, ascendance and customs were,[[note]]For example, in Aeschylus's ''Suppliants'', the Danaids - Egyptian women who actually descend from the Greek Io through the Argive lineage - are initially assumed to be non-Greek because of their exotical clothing, not their dark skin. Everyone immediately accepts their Greekness when they observe the ritual of supplication.[[/note]] so a black person eventually becoming a full-fledged Greek in the semi-mythical age the series is set (that is, before the rise of the complicated Greek concept of citizenship) would have been theoretically possible.



* OlderThanTheyThink: This was hardly the first time a black actor has played a figure from Hellenic myth. The ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'' episode ''Beware Greeks Bearing Gifts'' featured a black Helen, making the casting of Hakeem Kae-Kazim as Zeus, Helen's biological father, rather interesting, and in ''Series/JasonAndTheArgonauts'', Orpheus was played by Creator/AdrianLester. The only reason the casting of black actors as Achilles and some of the gods truly caused any controversy was due to ignorance that such things had happened before and the general ignorance of the ColourblindCasting being employed.
* OvershadowedByControversy: Casting black actors for Achilles and the gods, but particularly the former, spawned a lot of online arguments regarding "blackwashing" and "forced diversity" on historical shows. It's the main thing the show got noticed for.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: This was hardly the first time a black actor has actors have played a figure figures from Hellenic myth. The ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'' episode ''Beware Greeks Bearing Gifts'' featured a black Helen, making the casting of Hakeem Kae-Kazim as Zeus, Helen's biological father, rather interesting, and in ''Series/JasonAndTheArgonauts'', Orpheus was played by Creator/AdrianLester. The only reason Creator/AdrianLester (a possible ShoutOut to the casting of black actors as Achilles Oscars and some of the gods truly caused any controversy was due to ignorance that such things had happened before and the general ignorance of the ColourblindCasting being employed.
Cannes award-winning film ''Film/BlackOrpheus'').
* OvershadowedByControversy: Casting black actors for Achilles Achilles, the gods and the gods, some other mortals, but particularly Achilles as the former, myth and show's poster boy, spawned a lot of online arguments regarding "blackwashing" and "forced diversity" on historical shows. It's the main thing the show got noticed for.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Back in 2004, Creator/SeanBean would play the role of Odysseus in Film/{{Troy}}. Fast-forward and Creator/JosephMawle, who played [[Series/GameOfThrones Ned Stark's brother Benjen]], is playing Odysseus.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Back in 2004, Creator/SeanBean would play the role of Odysseus in Film/{{Troy}}.''Film/{{Troy}}''. Fast-forward and Creator/JosephMawle, who played [[Series/GameOfThrones Ned Stark's brother Benjen]], is playing Odysseus.
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A different character on the opposite side isn't really precedent, if anything his absence is a missed opportunity


* AluminumChristmasTrees: Achilles, who is described as blond and pale-skinned in ''Literature/TheIliad'', is played by a black actor here. However, there are other stories of the Trojan War with a black character, Memnon the Ethiopian,[[note]]Not necessarily from Ethiopia - ''Ethiopian'' was the term used for black people generally in ancient Greece.[[/note]] who's allied with Troy (he's also usually absent in adaptations, even although he is even described as nearly Achilles' equal in skill at arms, getting killed while fighting him), so there's precedent for this. Additionally, in the ancient world skin color wasn't the most important marker of nationality, your language, ascendance and customs were,[[note]]For example, in Aeschylus's ''Suppliants'', the Danaids - Egyptian women who actually descend from the Greek Io through the Argive lineage - are initially assumed to be non-Greek because of their exotical clothing, not their dark skin. Everyone immediately accepts their Greekness when they observe the ritual of supplication.[[/note]] so a black person eventually becoming a full-fledged Greek in the semi-mythical age the series is set (that is, before the rise of the complicated Greek concept of citizenship) would have been theoretically possible.

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* AluminumChristmasTrees: Achilles, who is described as blond and pale-skinned in ''Literature/TheIliad'', is played by a black actor here. However, there are other stories of the Trojan War with a black character, Memnon the Ethiopian,[[note]]Not necessarily from Ethiopia - ''Ethiopian'' was the term used for black people generally in ancient Greece.[[/note]] who's allied with Troy (he's also usually absent in adaptations, even although he is even described as nearly Achilles' equal in skill at arms, getting killed while fighting him), so there's precedent for this.him). Additionally, in the ancient world skin color wasn't the most important marker of nationality, your language, ascendance and customs were,[[note]]For example, in Aeschylus's ''Suppliants'', the Danaids - Egyptian women who actually descend from the Greek Io through the Argive lineage - are initially assumed to be non-Greek because of their exotical clothing, not their dark skin. Everyone immediately accepts their Greekness when they observe the ritual of supplication.[[/note]] so a black person eventually becoming a full-fledged Greek in the semi-mythical age the series is set (that is, before the rise of the complicated Greek concept of citizenship) would have been theoretically possible.
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* AmericansHateTingle: Needless to say the series is not popular with the Greeks. not for the casting, at least not for the majority, as "diversity" and all its concepts is viewed like an American quirk, but for the way the Greeks are portrayed as villains with many saying that the producers butchered their national epic.

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* AmericansHateTingle: Needless to say the series is not popular with the Greeks. not Not for the casting, at least not for the majority, as "diversity" and all its concepts is viewed like an American quirk, but for the way the Greeks are portrayed as villains with many saying that the producers butchered their national epic.

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* {{Narm}}: In the opening scene, Cassandra gets her first vision, of her home city falling to shambles...but the striking imagery is immediately ruined by her actor's sudden, over the top scream.

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In the opening scene, Cassandra gets her first vision, of her home city falling to shambles...but the striking imagery is immediately ruined by her actor's sudden, over the top scream.
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* AluminumChristmasTrees: Achilles, who is described as blond and pale-skinned in ''Literature/TheIliad'', is played by a black actor here. However, there are other stories of the Trojan War with a black character, Memnon the Ethiopian,[[note]]Not necessarily from Ethiopia - ''Ethiopian'' was the term used for black people generally in ancient Greece.[[/note]] who's allied with Troy (he's also usually absent in adaptations, even although he is even described as nearly Achilles' equal in skill at arms, getting killed while fighting him), so there's precedent for this. Additionally, in the ancient world skin color wasn't the most important marker of nationality, your language, ascendance and customs were,[[note]]For example, in Aeschylus's ''Suppliants'', the Danaids - Egyptian women who actually descend from the Greek Io through the Argive lineage - are initially assumed to be non-Greek because of their exotical clothing, not their dark skin. Everyone immediately accepts their Greekness when they observe the ritual of supplication.[[/note]] so a black person eventually becoming a full-fledged Greek in the semi-mythical age the series is set (that is, before the rise of the complicated Greek concept of citizenship) would have been theoretically possible.
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** In the first episode, when Paris chooses Aphrodite as the most beautiful out of three goddesses, the other two react by letting out a shrill screech. Nowhere is this mentioned in the original myth, and it looks absolutely ridiculous.
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* AmericansHateTingle: neddless to say the series is not popular with the Greeks. not for the casting, at least not for the majority, as "diversity" and all its concepts is viewed like an American quirk, but for the way the Greeks are portrayed as a villains with many saying that the producers butchered their national epic.

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* AmericansHateTingle: neddless Needless to say the series is not popular with the Greeks. not for the casting, at least not for the majority, as "diversity" and all its concepts is viewed like an American quirk, but for the way the Greeks are portrayed as a villains with many saying that the producers butchered their national epic.
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* AmericansHateTingle: neddless to say the series is not popular with the Greeks. not for the casting, at least not for the majority, as "diversity" an all its concepts is viewed like an American quirk, but for the way the Greeks are portrayed as a villains with many saying that the producers butchered their national epic.

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* AmericansHateTingle: neddless to say the series is not popular with the Greeks. not for the casting, at least not for the majority, as "diversity" an and all its concepts is viewed like an American quirk, but for the way the Greeks are portrayed as a villains with many saying that the producers butchered their national epic.
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* AmericansHateTingle: neddless to say the series is not popular with the Greeks. not for the casting, at least not fot the majority, as "diversity" an all its concepts is viewed like an American quirk, but for the way the Greeks are portrayed as a villains with many saying that the producers butchered their national epic.

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* AmericansHateTingle: neddless to say the series is not popular with the Greeks. not for the casting, at least not fot for the majority, as "diversity" an all its concepts is viewed like an American quirk, but for the way the Greeks are portrayed as a villains with many saying that the producers butchered their national epic.
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* AmericansHateTingle: neddless to say the series is not popular with the Greeks. not for the casting, at least not fot the majority, as "diversity" an all its concepts is viewed like an American quirk, but for the way the Greeks are portrayed as a villains with many saying that the producers butchered their national epic.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Back in 2004, Creator/SeanBean would play the role of Odysseus in Film/{{Troy}}. Fast-forward and Joseph Mawle, who played [[Series/GameOfThrones Ned Stark's brother Benjen]], is playing Odysseus.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Back in 2004, Creator/SeanBean would play the role of Odysseus in Film/{{Troy}}. Fast-forward and Joseph Mawle, Creator/JosephMawle, who played [[Series/GameOfThrones Ned Stark's brother Benjen]], is playing Odysseus.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: This was hardly the first time a black actor has played a figure from Hellenic myth. The ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'' episode ''Beware Greeks Bearing Gifts'' featured a black Helen, making the casting of Hakeem Kae-Kazim as Zeus, Helen's biological father, rather interesting, and in ''Series/JasonAndTheArgonauts'', Orpheus was played by Creator/AdrianLester. The only reason the casting of black actors as Achilles and some of the gods truly caused any controversy was due to ignorance that such things had happened before.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: This was hardly the first time a black actor has played a figure from Hellenic myth. The ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'' episode ''Beware Greeks Bearing Gifts'' featured a black Helen, making the casting of Hakeem Kae-Kazim as Zeus, Helen's biological father, rather interesting, and in ''Series/JasonAndTheArgonauts'', Orpheus was played by Creator/AdrianLester. The only reason the casting of black actors as Achilles and some of the gods truly caused any controversy was due to ignorance that such things had happened before.before and the general ignorance of the ColourblindCasting being employed.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: This was hardly the first time a black actor has played a figure from Hellenic myth. The ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'' episode ''Beware Greeks Bearing Gifts'' featured a black Helen, making the casting of Hakeem Kae-Kazim as Zeus, Helen's biological father, rather interesting, and in ''Seris/JasonAndTheArgonauts'', Orpheus was played by Creator/AdrianLester. The only reason the casting of black actors as Achilles and some of the gods truly caused any controversy was due to ignorance that such things had happened before.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: This was hardly the first time a black actor has played a figure from Hellenic myth. The ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'' episode ''Beware Greeks Bearing Gifts'' featured a black Helen, making the casting of Hakeem Kae-Kazim as Zeus, Helen's biological father, rather interesting, and in ''Seris/JasonAndTheArgonauts'', ''Series/JasonAndTheArgonauts'', Orpheus was played by Creator/AdrianLester. The only reason the casting of black actors as Achilles and some of the gods truly caused any controversy was due to ignorance that such things had happened before.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: This was hardly the first time a black actor has played a figure from Hellenic myth. The ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'' episode ''Beware Greeks Bearing Gifts'' featured a black Helen, making the casting of Hakeem Kae-Kazim as Zeus, Helen's biological father, rather interesting.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: This was hardly the first time a black actor has played a figure from Hellenic myth. The ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'' episode ''Beware Greeks Bearing Gifts'' featured a black Helen, making the casting of Hakeem Kae-Kazim as Zeus, Helen's biological father, rather interesting.interesting, and in ''Seris/JasonAndTheArgonauts'', Orpheus was played by Creator/AdrianLester. The only reason the casting of black actors as Achilles and some of the gods truly caused any controversy was due to ignorance that such things had happened before.

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