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* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler: A case has been made that the "Yellow Wallpaper" that the narrator is ripping off of the walls at the end is ''her own skin''.]]
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* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler: A [[spoiler:A case has been made that the "Yellow Wallpaper" that the narrator is ripping off of the walls at the end is ''her own skin''.]]
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** Yes, isolation (aka the "rest cure") was a treatment used in the late 19th century; in fact, the author herself was briefly subjected to it (before she thankfully got a better doctor), which was the inspiration for the story. Yes, it was quackery. The author was quite glad to learn of at least one woman whose family decided against this "treatment" ''specifically'' because of this story.
** The so-called 'nerve tonic' she was required to ingest regularly. The active ingredient of such medications was usually [[DrugsAreBad alcohol, cocaine or both]].
** The condition the narrator is being "treated" for, [[HystericalWoman hysteria]], ''was'' an actual diagnosis for a huge range of conditions in its exclusively female contractees--anything from postpartum depression, endometriosis, PMS, PMDD, polycystic ovarian syndrome, migraines, bipolar disorder, various cancers, or post-traumatic stress disorder, and even things like homosexuality, wanting too much sex, not wanting ''enough'' sex, not wanting to have children, wanting to pursue higher education and/or work outside the home, wanting a divorce, etc. This bullshit diagnosis persisted ''all the way into TheSeventies'', leading to many women needlessly suffering from both the disease they ''actually'' had,[[note]] If, you know, they were ''actually'' sick, and not just deviating from AcceptableFeminineGoals of that time... [[/note]] plus the "treatment" for the "disease" they were diagnosed with. This included the aforementioned "rest cure", [[GroinAttack cutting or burning the clitoris and/or labia]], being sent to a BedlamHouse, electroshock "therapy", {{Lobotomy}}, and even [[RapePortrayedAsRedemption rape]].
** Yes, isolation (aka the "rest cure") was a treatment used in the late 19th century; in fact, the author herself was briefly subjected to it (before she thankfully got a better doctor), which was the inspiration for the story. Yes, it was quackery. The author was quite glad to learn of at least one woman whose family decided against this "treatment" ''specifically'' because of this story.
** The so-called 'nerve tonic' she was required to ingest regularly. The active ingredient of such medications was usually [[DrugsAreBad alcohol, cocaine or both]].
** The condition the narrator is being "treated" for, [[HystericalWoman hysteria]], ''was'' an actual diagnosis for a huge range of conditions in its exclusively female contractees--anything from postpartum depression, endometriosis, PMS, PMDD, polycystic ovarian syndrome, migraines, bipolar disorder, various cancers, or post-traumatic stress disorder, and even things like homosexuality, wanting too much sex, not wanting ''enough'' sex, not wanting to have children, wanting to pursue higher education and/or work outside the home, wanting a divorce, etc. This bullshit diagnosis persisted ''all the way into TheSeventies'', leading to many women needlessly suffering from both the disease they ''actually'' had,[[note]] If, you know, they were ''actually'' sick, and not just deviating from AcceptableFeminineGoals of that time... [[/note]] plus the "treatment" for the "disease" they were diagnosed with. This included the aforementioned "rest cure", [[GroinAttack cutting or burning the clitoris and/or labia]], being sent to a BedlamHouse, electroshock "therapy", {{Lobotomy}}, and even [[RapePortrayedAsRedemption rape]].
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** The people who are supposed to take care of you--your husband, your doctor--will lock you in a single room until you go insane, all while telling you it's for your own good and that they know what's best. Any attempt to explain to them that you're fine will be taken as evidence that something's wrong, while all the signs that you're going insane are interpreted as "getting better." Eventually you don't even know what "better" is, but must take their word that this is it.
** You believe there's a woman trapped in the wallpaper. She creeps around the room at night. She's watching you as intensely as you watch her. You don't know what she wants, what she is, or what she might do if she's freed. She may or may not be real, and she may or may not be ''you,'' and the only way to end the torment of asking these questions is to set her free and find out.
** The people who are supposed to take care of you--your husband, your doctor--will lock you in a single room until you go insane, all while telling you it's for your own good and that they know what's best. Any attempt to explain to them that you're fine will be taken as evidence that something's wrong, while all the signs that you're going insane are interpreted as "getting better." Eventually you don't even know what "better" is, but must take their word that this is it.
** You believe there's a woman trapped in the wallpaper. She creeps around the room at night. She's watching you as intensely as you watch her. You don't know what she wants, what she is, or what she might do if she's freed. She may or may not be real, and she may or may not be ''you,'' and the only way to end the torment of asking these questions is to set her free and find out.
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** In the story itself, [[spoiler:the narrator ends up completely insane and creeping in circles around the room. Eventually her husband finds her like this and faints from the shock. She simply continues pacing, walking over his limp body and narrating this in the most calm way possible, as if there weren't anything strange about it.]]
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** In the story itself, [[spoiler:the narrator ends up completely insane and creeping in circles around the room. Eventually her husband finds her like this as she's tearing off the wallpaper and faints from the shock. She simply continues pacing, walking over his limp body and narrating this in the most calm way possible, as if there weren't anything strange about it.]]
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* ValuesDissonance: Not the story itself, but despite her feminist views which have generally aged ''very'' well, Perkins Gilman was more racist than ''Lovecraft'' and supported the reintroduction of slavery.
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* ValuesDissonance: Not the story itself, but despite her feminist views which have generally aged ''very' ''very'' well, Perkins Gilman was even more of a racist than Lovecraft himself ''Lovecraft'' and supported the reintroduction of slavery.
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* ValuesDissonance: Not the story itself, but despite her feminist views which have generally aged *very* well, Perkins Gilman was even more of a racist than Lovecraft himself who argued for the reintroduction of slavery.
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* ValuesDissonance: Not the story itself, but despite her feminist views which have generally aged *very* ''very' well, Perkins Gilman was even more of a racist than Lovecraft himself who argued for and supported the reintroduction of slavery.
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* HeartwarmingMoments AwesomeMoments: On a meta-level, Charlotte Perkins Gilman actually said that it was meant to save lives and it worked twice
** First to end one woman's ordeal with the ''rest-cure''
** And secondly the doctor who suggested the ''rest-cure'' to her changed his practices after reading it. think about that. This story, written by a woman during a time that women had little to no power over their lives, got a physician to change his practices in regards to women
** First to end one woman's ordeal with the ''rest-cure''
** And secondly the doctor who suggested the ''rest-cure'' to her changed his practices after reading it. think about that. This story, written by a woman during a time that women had little to no power over their lives, got a physician to change his practices in regards to women
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* HeartwarmingMoments: On a meta-level, Charlotte Perkins Gilman actually said that it was meant to save lives and it worked twice
** First to end one woman's ordeal with the ''rest-cure''
** And secondly the doctor who suggested the ''rest-cure'' to her changed his practices after reading it. think about that. This story, written by a woman during a time that women had little to no power over their lives, got a physician to change his practices in regards to women
** First to end one woman's ordeal with the ''rest-cure''
** And secondly the doctor who suggested the ''rest-cure'' to her changed his practices after reading it. think about that. This story, written by a woman during a time that women had little to no power over their lives, got a physician to change his practices in regards to women
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** In the story itself, [[spoiler:the narrator ends up completely insane and creeping in circles around the room. And she talks about this in the most calm way possible, as if there wasn't anything strange about it.]]
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** In the story itself, [[spoiler:the narrator ends up completely insane and creeping in circles around the room. And she talks about Eventually her husband finds her like this and faints from the shock. She simply continues pacing, walking over his limp body and narrating this in the most calm way possible, as if there wasn't weren't anything strange about it.]]
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* ValuesDissonance: It took ''how long'' for scholars to look at this work as a piece of feminist literature? [[spoiler:Not very long, as the story was seen as responsible for the discrediting of the "rest cure" the narrator endures, within Charlotte Perkins Gilman's lifetime]].
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** In the story itself, [[spoiler:the narrator ends up completely insane and creeping in circles around the room. And she talks about this in the most calm way possible, as if there wasn't anything strange about it. Brrr!!]]
** In the story itself, [[spoiler:the narrator ends up completely insane and creeping in circles around the room. And she talks about this in the most calm way possible, as if there wasn't anything strange about it. Brrr!!]]
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* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler: A case has been made that the "Yellow Wallpaper" that the narrator is ripping off of the walls at the end is ''her own skin''. It seems utterly ridiculous at first but then you consider the fact that, in literature, a cigar is not always just a cigar once you examine it closely enough...]]
** In the story itself, [[spoiler:the narrator ends up completely insane and creeping in circles around the room. And she talks about this in the most calm way possible, as if there wasn't anything strange about it. Brrr!!]]]]
** In the story itself, [[spoiler:the narrator ends up completely insane and creeping in circles around the room. And she talks about this in the most calm way possible, as if there wasn't anything strange about it.
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** On a meta-level, ''H.P. Lovecraft'' considered this an excellent depiction of horror and madness. Think about that.
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** In the story itself, [[spoiler:the narrator ends up completely insane and creeping in circles around the room. And she talks about this in the most calm way possible, as if there wasn't anything strange about it. Brrr!!]]
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** [[spoiler: A case has been made, by a classmate of mine, no less, that the "Yellow Wallpaper" that the narrator is ripping off of the walls at the end is ''her own skin''. It seems utterly ridiculous at first but then you consider the fact that, in literature, a cigar is not always just a cigar once you examine it closely enough...]]
** [[spoiler: A case has been made, by a classmate of mine, no less, that the "Yellow Wallpaper" that the narrator is ripping off of the walls at the end is ''her own skin''. It seems utterly ridiculous at first but then you consider the fact that, in literature, a cigar is not always just a cigar once you examine it closely enough...]]
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* ValuesDissonance: It took ''how long'' for scholars to look at this work as a piece of feminist literature?
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* {{Squick}}: At the end, it's clear that the main character potentially tore off the wall paper out of her madness. Some girl in another literature class pointed out that the character was probably tearing off ''her own skin''. At first, this troper as well as other classmates thought that girl was crazy but now that she and ''her'' literature class have read the story, that theory doesn't seem to be out of the realm of possiblity...
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* ValuesDissonance: It took ''how long'' for scholars to look at this work as a piece of feminist literature?
* ValuesDissonance: It took ''how long'' for scholars to look at this work as a piece of feminist literature?
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* {{Squick}}: At the end, it's clear that the main character potentially tore off the wall paper out of her madness. Some girl in another literature class pointed out that the character was probably tearing off ''her own skin''. At first, this troper as well as other classmates thought that girl was crazy but now that she and ''her'' literature class have read the story, that theory doesn't seem to be out of the realm of possiblity...
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