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* ItsPopularNowItSucks: The surprise success of Touch of Grey was a mixed blessing for the band and longtime Deadheads who were known for their peaceful, mellow hippie attitudes with nothing seriously bad happening at shows to...[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfFG33IROLM Maybe this video will explain it a little better]].
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** The band's first "face" was founding keyboardist Ron "Pigpen" [=McKernan=], who not only acted the group's spokesman, but was responsible for the group's early musical direction and sang lead on their most accessible early songs. By 1969, the band's movement away from the blues and R&B sounds that [=McKernan=] had preferred towards country and folk resulted in Garcia and Bob Weir jointly overtaking him as the band's leaders (his growing drinking problem didn't help things either).
** Garcia's position as the band's unquestioned face began around 1972, but according to the documentary ''The Other One'', Weir believes that what really cemented it was the popularity of "Touch of Grey". Not only did Garcia sing lead on the song, but he was also a natural on camera and he gave the best interviews of any of the band members.
* ItsPopularNowItSucks: The surprise success ofTouch "Touch of Grey Grey" was a mixed blessing for the band and longtime Deadheads who were known for their peaceful, mellow hippie attitudes with nothing seriously bad happening at shows to...[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfFG33IROLM Maybe this video will explain it a little better]].
** Garcia's position as the band's unquestioned face began around 1972, but according to the documentary ''The Other One'', Weir believes that what really cemented it was the popularity of "Touch of Grey". Not only did Garcia sing lead on the song, but he was also a natural on camera and he gave the best interviews of any of the band members.
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** February 13 & 14, 1970 at Fillmore East, New York, NY (parts of these concerts have been officially released, first on ''Bear's Choice'' and then the more comprehensive ''Dick's Picks Vol. 4''; the 13th is usually cited as the superior show due to the half-hour-each versions of "Dark Star" -> "That's It for the Other One" -> "Turn on Your Love Light")
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** February 13 & 14, 1970 at Fillmore East, New York, NY (parts of these concerts have been officially released, first on ''Bear's Choice'' and then on the more comprehensive ''Dick's Picks Vol. 4''; the 13th is usually cited as the superior show due to the half-hour-each versions of "Dark Star" -> "That's It for the Other One" -> "Turn on Your Love Light")
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* December 31, 1978-January 1, 1979 at Winterland Ballroom, San Francisco, CA (The final concert to be held at the vaunted Winterland Ballroom, a venue that the band played often. Notable for being one of the longest shows the band ever played, clocking in at over four hours, during which they played several fan favorites. The show was professionally filmed, and the footage was released in full on ''The Closing of Winterland'' DVD in 2003.)
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** August 27, 1972 at Old Renaissance Faire Grounds, Veneta, OR (can be found in full on ''Sunshine Daydream''. Particularly popular with fans of the ''Europe 72'' era. Notable for its half-hour long "Dark Star" and superior renditions of "Casey Jones" and "Playing in the Band")
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** August 27, 1972 at Old Renaissance Faire Grounds, Veneta, OR (can be found in full on ''Sunshine Daydream''. Fans who don't consider the Cornell or Fillmore shows listed here to be the band's single best show usually pick this one. Particularly popular with fans of the ''Europe 72'' era. Notable notable for its half-hour long "Dark Star" and superior renditions of "Casey Jones" Jones", "Sugar Magnolia" and "Playing in the Band")
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** May 9, 1977 at Buffalo Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo, NY (The concert held the very next night after Cornell. It's popular with Deadheads who believe that the Dead were on a roll in spring 1977 and that every concert they played on that tour is worth your time, or those who think that the Cornell show is good but overrated, or those that enjoy it for its strong performances of "Sugar Magnlolia" and the "Help is on The Way"->"Slipknot!"->"Franklin's Tower" medley.)
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** May 9, 1977 at Buffalo Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo, NY (The concert held the very next night after Cornell. It's popular with Deadheads who believe that the Dead were on a roll in spring 1977 and that every concert they played on that tour is worth your time, or those who think that the Cornell show is good but overrated, or those that enjoy it for its strong performances of "Sugar Magnlolia" Magnolia" and the "Help is on The Way"->"Slipknot!"->"Franklin's Tower" medley.)
* December 31, 1978-January 1, 1979 at Winterland Ballroom, San Francisco, CA (The final concert to be held at the vaunted Winterland Ballroom, a venue that the band played often. Notable for being one of the longest shows the band ever played, clocking in at over four hours, during which they played several fan favorites. The show was professionally filmed, and the footage was released in full on ''The Closing of Winterland'' DVD in 2003.)
* December 31, 1978-January 1, 1979 at Winterland Ballroom, San Francisco, CA (The final concert to be held at the vaunted Winterland Ballroom, a venue that the band played often. Notable for being one of the longest shows the band ever played, clocking in at over four hours, during which they played several fan favorites. The show was professionally filmed, and the footage was released in full on ''The Closing of Winterland'' DVD in 2003.)
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** August 27, 1972 at Old Renaissance Faire Grounds, Veneta, OROR (can be found in full on ''Sunshine Daydream''. Particularly popular with fans of the ''Europe 72'' era. Notable for its half-hour long "Dark Star" and superior renditions of "Casey Jones" and "Playing in the Band")
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** March 29, 1990 at Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale NY. (The Spring 1990 tour is held in high regard by Bob Weir, and also by fans who enjoy late period Dead - and in particular, their virtuoso penultimate keyboardist Brent Mydland, who would [[AuthorExistenceFailure die that summer]]. This show featured jazz saxophonist Branford Marsalis joining on the second set. Only available in the ''Spring 1990'' box set.)
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* April-May 1972, European tour (The entire tour is widely considered to be a high watermark for the band, and selections from several shows were compiled into their best-selling triple album ''Europe '72''. All 22 dates on the tour were released in 2011.)
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** February 13 & 14, 1970 at Fillmore East, New York, NY (parts of these were released concerts have been officially released, first on ''Bear's Choice'' and then the more comprehensive ''Dick's Picks Vol. 4'' and ''Bear's Choice''; 4''; the 13th is usually cited as the superior show due to the half-hour-each versions of "Dark Star" -> "That's It for the Other One" -> "Turn on Your Love Light")
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* May 9, 1977 at Buffalo Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo, NY (The concert held the very next night after Cornell. It's popular with Deadheads who believe that the Dead were on a roll in spring 1977 and that every concert they played on that tour is worth your time, or those who think that the Cornell show is good but overrated, or those that enjoy it for its strong performances of "Sugar Magnlolia" and the "Help is on The Way"->"Slipknot!"->"Franklin's Tower" medley.)
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** May 8, 1977 at Barton Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY (compounding this show's reputation is the fact that it was the first A+-quality soundboard bootleg many fans heard, but it's still a very good performance from one of the band's best years)
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** May 8, 1977 at Barton Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY (compounding (A highly popular pick among fans for the single best show the band ever played, and as such it's probably the one concert that casual fans know by date alone. Despite its reputation - the soundboard tape was selected for the Library of Congress' National Recording Registry in 2012 - It wasn't made officially available on compact disc until the 2017 ''5/8/77 Cornell'' three disc set. Compounding this show's reputation is the fact that it was the first A+-quality soundboard bootleg many fans heard, but it's still a very good great performance from one of the band's best years)years and contains what's widely considered to be the definitive version of the band's famous "Scarlet Begonias" -> "Fire on the Mountain" coupling.)
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* AwesomeMusic: An awful lot of it, given the band's LongRunner status. ''Music/AmericanBeauty'' is usually cited as the band's studio MagnumOpus, with ''Workingman's Dead'' and ''Music/AnthemOfTheSun'' being a close second. As for the band's live output, fan opinions are divided (as would be expected with a band that toured as long and was as thoroughly documented as the Dead; the band played some 2,350 shows), but frequently cited contenders for Best Show Ever include:
* AwesomeMusic: An awful lot of it, given the band's LongRunner status. ''Music/AmericanBeauty'' is usually cited as the band's studio MagnumOpus, with ''Workingman's Dead'' and ''Music/AnthemOfTheSun'' being a close second. As for the band's live output, fan opinions are divided (as would be expected with a band that toured as long and was as thoroughly documented as the Dead; the band played some 2,350 shows), but frequently cited contenders for Best Show Ever include:
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* MagnumOpus: Among their studio recordings, ''Music/AmericanBeauty'' is the most frequently cited, with ''Workingman's Dead'' usually regarded as a close runner-up. ''Music/AnthemOfTheSun'' is another candidate for this title. As for their live shows, see AwesomeMusic above.
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* MainstreamObscurity and PopCulturalOsmosis: If you have to name a cult rock band they are perhaps the best example, due to their fanbase even having a special nickname ("Deadheads") and many of them religiously attending their concerts. They are also most people's idea of ''hippie music''. Yet, when all of that is said and done: how many songs or albums can you name by this group? That's right, the Grateful Dead are actually more famous as an iconic hippie band,''stoner'' band and/or concert experience than for their songs or albums.
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* MainstreamObscurity and PopCulturalOsmosis: If you have to name a cult rock band they are perhaps the best example, due to their fanbase even having a special nickname ("Deadheads") and many of them religiously attending their concerts. They are also most people's idea of ''hippie music''. Yet, when all of that is said and done: other than "Touch of Grey", how many songs or albums can you name by this group? That's right, the Grateful Dead are actually more famous as an iconic hippie band,''stoner'' band and/or concert experience than for their songs or albums.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: On the back cover of ''Aoxomoxoa'', that's a 5 year old, Courtney Love sitting next to Pig Pen ([[http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2015/01/whos-who-in-aoxomoxoa-photo.html No it's not]]). (Her father was the band's manager at the time)
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* RetroactiveRecognition: On the back cover of ''Aoxomoxoa'', that's a 5 year old, Courtney Love sitting next to Pig Pen.Pen ([[http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2015/01/whos-who-in-aoxomoxoa-photo.html No it's not]]). (Her father was the band's manager at the time)
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* AwesomeMusic: An awful lot of it, given the band's LongRunner status. ''Music/AmericanBeauty'' is usually cited as the band's studio MagnumOpus, with ''Workingman's Dead'' and ''Music/AnthemOfTheSun'' being a close second. As for the band's live output, fan opinions are divided (as would be expected with a band that toured as long and was as thoroughly documented as the Dead; the band played some 2,350 shows), but frequently cited contenders for Best Show Ever include:
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* MagnumOpus: Among their studio recordings, ''Music/AmericanBeauty'' is the most frequently cited, with ''Workingman's Dead'' usually regarded as a close runner-up. ''Music/AnthemOfTheSun'' is another candidate for this title. As for their live shows, see AwesomeMusic above.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: On the back cover of Aoxomoxoa, ''Aoxomoxoa'', that's a 5 year old, Courtney Love sitting next to Pig Pen. (Her father was the band's manager at the time)
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* AwesomeMusic: An awful lot of it, given the band's LongRunner status. ''American Beauty'' is usually cited as the band's studio MagnumOpus, with ''Workingman's Dead'' being a close second. As for the band's live output, fan opinions are divided (as would be expected with a band that toured as long and was as thoroughly documented as the Dead; the band played some 2,350 shows), but frequently cited contenders for Best Show Ever include:
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* AwesomeMusic: An awful lot of it, given the band's LongRunner status. ''American Beauty'' ''Music/AmericanBeauty'' is usually cited as the band's studio MagnumOpus, with ''Workingman's Dead'' being a close second. As for the band's live output, fan opinions are divided (as would be expected with a band that toured as long and was as thoroughly documented as the Dead; the band played some 2,350 shows), but frequently cited contenders for Best Show Ever include:
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* MagnumOpus: Among their studio recordings, ''American Beauty'' ''Music/AmericanBeauty'' is the most frequently cited, with ''Workingman's Dead'' usually regarded as a close runner-up. As for their live shows, see AwesomeMusic above.above.
* MainstreamObscurity and PopCulturalOsmosis: If you have to name a cult rock band they are perhaps the best example, due to their fanbase even having a special nickname ("Deadheads") and many of them religiously attending their concerts. They are also most people's idea of ''hippie music''. Yet, when all of that is said and done: how many songs or albums can you name by this group? That's right, the Grateful Dead are actually more famous as an iconic hippie band,''stoner'' band and/or concert experience than for their songs or albums.
* MainstreamObscurity and PopCulturalOsmosis: If you have to name a cult rock band they are perhaps the best example, due to their fanbase even having a special nickname ("Deadheads") and many of them religiously attending their concerts. They are also most people's idea of ''hippie music''. Yet, when all of that is said and done: how many songs or albums can you name by this group? That's right, the Grateful Dead are actually more famous as an iconic hippie band,''stoner'' band and/or concert experience than for their songs or albums.
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* SignatureSong: Almost certainly "Truckin", although "Box of Rain", "Casey Jones", and "Touch of Grey" also have strong claims.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: On the back cover of Aoxomoxoa, that's a 5 year old, Courtney Love sitting next to Pig Pen.
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* ItsPopularNowItSucks: The surprise success of Touch of Grey was a mixed blessing for the band and longtime Deadheads who were known for their peaceful, mellow hippie attitudes with nothing seriously bad happening at shows to...[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfFG33IROLM Maybe this video will explain it a little better]].
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* TheScrappy: Vince Welnick, the last keyboardist often saw himself as this, even after he was excluded from several of the post-Garcia reunion concerts.
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* DeaderThanDisco: Most depictions of the band these days only portray them to make fun of their [[scarily devoted fans FanDumb]].
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** May 8, 1977 at Barton Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY
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** May 8, 1977 at Barton Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, NYNY (compounding this show's reputation is the fact that it was the first A+-quality soundboard bootleg many fans heard, but it's still a very good performance from one of the band's best years)
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** May 2, 1970 at Harpur College, SUNY, Binghamton, NY (almost the entire performance was released as ''Dick's Picks Vol. 8'', but the electrical set is unfortunately in mono)
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** May 2, 1970 at Harpur College, SUNY, Binghamton, NY (almost the entire performance was released as ''Dick's Picks Vol. 8'', but the electrical electric set is unfortunately in mono)
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** February 13 & 14, 1970 at Fillmore East, New York, NY (parts of these were released on ''Dick's Picks Vol. 4'' and ''Bear's Choice'')
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** May 2, 1970 at Harpur College, SUNY, Binghamton, NY (almost the entire performance was released as ''Dick's Picks Vol. 8'')
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* AwesomeMusic: An awful lot of it, given the band's LongRunner status. ''American Beauty'' is usually cited as the band's studio MagnumOpus, with ''Workingman's Dead'' being a close second. As for the band's live output, fan opinions are divided (as would be expected with a band that toured as long and was as thoroughly documented as the Dead; the band played some 2,350 shows), but frequently cited contenders for Best Show Ever include:
** February 13 & 14, 1970 at Fillmore East, New York, NY (parts of these were released on ''Dick's Picks Vol. 4'' and ''Bear's Choice'')
** May 2, 1970 at Harpur College, SUNY, Binghamton, NY (almost the entire performance was released as ''Dick's Picks Vol. 8'')
** August 27, 1972 at Old Renaissance Faire Grounds, Veneta, OR
** May 8, 1977 at Barton Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY
** February 13 & 14, 1970 at Fillmore East, New York, NY (parts of these were released on ''Dick's Picks Vol. 4'' and ''Bear's Choice'')
** May 2, 1970 at Harpur College, SUNY, Binghamton, NY (almost the entire performance was released as ''Dick's Picks Vol. 8'')
** August 27, 1972 at Old Renaissance Faire Grounds, Veneta, OR
** May 8, 1977 at Barton Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY
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* FaceOfTheBand: Jerry Garcia, no matter how much he insisted that he wasn't. In fact, after Garcia died, the remaining bandmates toured a few times as The Other Ones before changing their name to "The Dead".
* NewbieBoom: "Touch Heads", the fandom name for those who became fans of the band because of the success of "Touch of Grey" in the late 80's.
* NewbieBoom: "Touch Heads", the fandom name for those who became fans of the band because of the success of "Touch of Grey" in the late 80's.
