History YMMV / TheBirdcage

24th Aug '16 1:37:28 AM 06tele
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* KarmaHoudini: As pointed out by [[NeedsMoreGay Rantasmo]], we don't see the Senator and his wife get reprimanded for their attitudes, we see them at the wedding but there is no idea of how they...evolved. There is no indication that Val learned anything from making his fathers act out a charade.
** It can be argued that Val, while not punished for what he does, at least has [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone an unspoken epiphany]] when he pulls off Albert's wig and saying "This is my mother." It's also implied that the Keelees are not quite as ultra-conservative as they let on, as any time a "return to family values" is brought up, it's for the sake of the Senator's campaign.

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* KarmaHoudini: As pointed out by [[NeedsMoreGay Rantasmo]], we don't see the Senator and his wife get reprimanded for their attitudes, we see them at the wedding but there is no idea of how they...evolved. There is no indication that
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Val learned anything from may not be punished for making his fathers act out a charade.
** It can be argued that Val, while not punished for what
the charade, but he does, at least does own up to his mistake and has [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone an unspoken epiphany]] when he pulls off Albert's wig and saying "This is my mother." It's also implied that the Keelees Keeleys are not quite as ultra-conservative as they let on, as any time a "return to family values" is brought up, it's for the sake of the Senator's campaign.



* TheScrappy: Val, to some, both because of the hell he puts his parents through for the sake of his own happiness and his utter lack of personality.

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* TheScrappy: Val, to some, both because of the hell he puts his parents through for the sake of his own happiness and his utter general lack of personality.



* TechnologyMarchesOn: A major part of the plot relies on the fact that this movie was made when car phones could make but not receive calls. A good part of the drama could have been... well... [[FawltyTowersPlot delayed]] if Katherine had a cell phone.

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* TechnologyMarchesOn: A major part of the plot relies on the fact that this movie was made when car phones could make but not receive calls. A good part of the drama could have been... well... [[FawltyTowersPlot delayed]] if Katherine had a cell phone.
14th Jun '16 10:41:43 AM SirSapphire
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** A DeletedScene (that sometimes still shows up in tv airings) has Armand go downstairs and talk to his bartender about the sacrifices parents make for their children. Which brings it back around to Awesome.
31st Mar '16 10:20:07 PM Bdem
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*CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Subverted. Armand valiantly declares that he won't change himself for some bigot......then immediately changes himself, for some bigot.
20th Nov '15 7:57:57 AM wittylibrarian
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Gays are people too, and can raise families as caring and loving as hetero parents. There's a reason the song "We Are Family" becomes a {{Leitmotif}} throughout the film.
** When the United States Supreme Court ruled [[http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/obergefell-v-hodges/ in favor of gay marriage in 2015]], political commentators noted that ''Birdcage'' was [[http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/27/gay-marriage-is-american-as-apple-pie.html one of the movies that started public opinion]] viewing gay families as acceptable.
18th Jun '15 6:45:20 AM NWolfman
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* MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales: As it was one of the first, not to mention most successful, films to portray CampGay characters sympathetically, many openly Gay find the movie both hilarious and relatable.

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* MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales: As it was one of the first, not to mention most successful, films to portray CampGay characters sympathetically, many openly Gay men find the movie both hilarious and relatable.
18th Jun '15 6:44:56 AM NWolfman
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** Hank Azaria was actually afraid that his voice for Agador would be too stereotypical, until a friend of his who was Gay told him otherwise.
28th Apr '15 8:22:07 PM NWolfman
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** It can be argued that Val, while not punished for what he does, at least has [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone an unspoken epiphany]] when he sees just how willing Albert is to bend over backwards for the sake of his engagement, even if the girls' parents are JerkAss conservatives. Pulling off Albert's wig and saying "This is my mother" is sort of his way of saying "I don't know why I was ever ashamed of you." It's also implied that the Keelees are not quite as ultra-conservative as they let on, and most of their dialogue about "a return to family values" are a put on for the sake of the senator's campaign.
* MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzalas: As it was one of the first, not to mention most successful, films to portray CampGay characters sympathetically, many openly Gay find the movie both hilarious and relatable.

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** It can be argued that Val, while not punished for what he does, at least has [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone an unspoken epiphany]] when he sees just how willing Albert is to bend over backwards for the sake of his engagement, even if the girls' parents are JerkAss conservatives. Pulling pulls off Albert's wig and saying "This is my mother" is sort of his way of saying "I don't know why I was ever ashamed of you.mother." It's also implied that the Keelees are not quite as ultra-conservative as they let on, and most of their dialogue about "a return as any time a "return to family values" are a put on is brought up, it's for the sake of the senator's Senator's campaign.
* MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzalas: MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales: As it was one of the first, not to mention most successful, films to portray CampGay characters sympathetically, many openly Gay find the movie both hilarious and relatable.
1st Apr '15 7:45:19 PM NWolfman
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** And Mike Nichols also passed away just a few months later.

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** And Mike Nichols also passed away just a few months later.earlier.


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* MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzalas: As it was one of the first, not to mention most successful, films to portray CampGay characters sympathetically, many openly Gay find the movie both hilarious and relatable.
1st Apr '15 1:43:40 PM NWolfman
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* TheScrappy: Val, to some, both because of the hell he puts his parents through for the sake of his own happiness and his utter lack of personality.
1st Apr '15 1:42:10 PM NWolfman
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Agador Spartacus.
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