History YMMV / TheBirdcage

22nd Mar '17 5:53:49 PM hack-normal
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** And Mike Nichols also passed away just a few months earlier.

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** And Mike Nichols also passed away just a few months earlier.after Williams.
1st Mar '17 12:35:18 PM NWolfman
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Subverted. Armand valiantly declares that he won't change himself for some bigot......then immediately does exactly that.

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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Subverted. Armand valiantly declares that he won't change himself for some bigot......bigot... then immediately does exactly that.



* ValuesDissonance[=/=]ValuesResonance: An interesting mixture of the two. On the one hand, the pro-gay-rights message still resonates today. However, the views publicly expressed by the conservatives in this movie come across as much more of a StrawmanPolitical than they did at the time. This is particularly true of the idea that conservative figures having gay relatives is a major liability, as many prominent Republicans now do (Dick Cheney's daughter, Michele Bachman's stepsister, and Phyllis Schlafly's son).

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* ValuesDissonance[=/=]ValuesResonance: An interesting mixture of the two. On the one hand, the pro-gay-rights message still resonates today. However, the views publicly expressed by the conservatives in this movie come across as much more of a StrawmanPolitical than they did at the time. This is particularly true of the idea that conservative figures having gay relatives is a major liability, as many prominent Republicans now do (Dick Cheney's daughter, Michele Bachman's stepsister, and Phyllis Schlafly's son).son).
* TheWoobie: Albert. He's easily the most emotional character in the whole movie, and is utterly destroyed when he thinks that his son is embarrassed by him. And while it's still a funny joke, the scene of him forcing back his usual sashay while dressed in a conservative black suit (and [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments hot pink socks]]) looks physically painful.
18th Jan '17 9:23:39 PM Pren
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* HilariousInHindsight: TheReveal in the 2000s that hyper-conservative Sen. Strom Thurmond had an affair (and love child) with a black maid and that the revelation came out only after Thurmond had died.

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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TheReveal in the 2000s that hyper-conservative Sen. Strom Thurmond had an affair (and love child) with a black maid and that the revelation came out only after Thurmond had died.died.
** Val's actor Dan Futterman would later win several awards for writing the film ''Film/{{Capote}}'', about the famously CampGay author.
20th Nov '16 9:14:42 PM NWolfman
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Any time the Keeleys bring up a "return to family values" and other such MoralGuardian values, it seems to be for the sake of the senator's public image. It's possible that, while conservative, they're not ''as'' ultra-conservative as they may let on.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Any time the Keeleys bring up a "return to family values" and other such MoralGuardian values, concerns, it seems to only be for the sake of the senator's public image. It's possible that, while conservative, they're not ''as'' ultra-conservative as they may let on.
20th Nov '16 9:14:20 PM NWolfman
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It seems like any time the Keeleys bring up a "return to family values" and other such MoralGuardian values, it seems to be for the sake of the senator's public image. It's possible that, while conservative, they're not ''as'' ultra-conservative as they may let on.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It seems like any Any time the Keeleys bring up a "return to family values" and other such MoralGuardian values, it seems to be for the sake of the senator's public image. It's possible that, while conservative, they're not ''as'' ultra-conservative as they may let on.
2nd Oct '16 12:41:08 PM NWolfman
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Subverted. Armand valiantly declares that he won't change himself for some bigot......then immediately changes himself, for some bigot.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It seems like any time the Keeleys bring up a "return to family values" and other such MoralGuardian values, it seems to be for the sake of the senator's public image. It's possible that, while conservative, they're not ''as'' ultra-conservative as they may let on.
* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Subverted. Armand valiantly declares that he won't change himself for some bigot......then immediately changes himself, for some bigot.does exactly that.



* KarmaHoudini: As pointed out by [[NeedsMoreGay Rantasmo]], we don't see the Senator and his wife get reprimanded for their attitudes, we see them at the wedding but there is no idea of how they...evolved.
** Val may not be punished for making his fathers act out the charade, but he does own up to his mistake and has [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone an unspoken epiphany]] when he pulls off Albert's wig and saying "This is my mother." It's also implied that the Keeleys are not quite as ultra-conservative as they let on, as any time a "return to family values" is brought up, it's for the sake of the Senator's campaign.
24th Aug '16 1:37:28 AM 06tele
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* KarmaHoudini: As pointed out by [[NeedsMoreGay Rantasmo]], we don't see the Senator and his wife get reprimanded for their attitudes, we see them at the wedding but there is no idea of how they...evolved. There is no indication that Val learned anything from making his fathers act out a charade.
** It can be argued that Val, while not punished for what he does, at least has [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone an unspoken epiphany]] when he pulls off Albert's wig and saying "This is my mother." It's also implied that the Keelees are not quite as ultra-conservative as they let on, as any time a "return to family values" is brought up, it's for the sake of the Senator's campaign.

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* KarmaHoudini: As pointed out by [[NeedsMoreGay Rantasmo]], we don't see the Senator and his wife get reprimanded for their attitudes, we see them at the wedding but there is no idea of how they...evolved. There is no indication that
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Val learned anything from may not be punished for making his fathers act out a charade.
** It can be argued that Val, while not punished for what
the charade, but he does, at least does own up to his mistake and has [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone an unspoken epiphany]] when he pulls off Albert's wig and saying "This is my mother." It's also implied that the Keelees Keeleys are not quite as ultra-conservative as they let on, as any time a "return to family values" is brought up, it's for the sake of the Senator's campaign.



* TheScrappy: Val, to some, both because of the hell he puts his parents through for the sake of his own happiness and his utter lack of personality.

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* TheScrappy: Val, to some, both because of the hell he puts his parents through for the sake of his own happiness and his utter general lack of personality.



* TechnologyMarchesOn: A major part of the plot relies on the fact that this movie was made when car phones could make but not receive calls. A good part of the drama could have been... well... [[FawltyTowersPlot delayed]] if Katherine had a cell phone.

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* TechnologyMarchesOn: A major part of the plot relies on the fact that this movie was made when car phones could make but not receive calls. A good part of the drama could have been... well... [[FawltyTowersPlot delayed]] if Katherine had a cell phone.
14th Jun '16 10:41:43 AM SirSapphire
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** A DeletedScene (that sometimes still shows up in tv airings) has Armand go downstairs and talk to his bartender about the sacrifices parents make for their children. Which brings it back around to Awesome.
31st Mar '16 10:20:07 PM Bdem
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*CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Subverted. Armand valiantly declares that he won't change himself for some bigot......then immediately changes himself, for some bigot.
20th Nov '15 7:57:57 AM wittylibrarian
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Gays are people too, and can raise families as caring and loving as hetero parents. There's a reason the song "We Are Family" becomes a {{Leitmotif}} throughout the film.
** When the United States Supreme Court ruled [[http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/obergefell-v-hodges/ in favor of gay marriage in 2015]], political commentators noted that ''Birdcage'' was [[http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/27/gay-marriage-is-american-as-apple-pie.html one of the movies that started public opinion]] viewing gay families as acceptable.
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