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** Their early antics would now net some a jail sentence in Russia. Thanks, UsefulNotes/VladimirPutin.

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** Their early antics acts concerning queer relationship would now net some them a jail sentence in Russia.Russia had they premiered today. Thanks, UsefulNotes/VladimirPutin.

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* QuestionableCasting: Sure, they're almost uncontended for the title of biggest international success for a Russian pop act, but in an age of institutionalised homophobia in Russia, people were left wondering why on earth they performed at the 2014 Sochi Olympics.



* WTHCastingAgency: Sure, they're almost uncontended for the title of biggest international success for a Russian pop act, but in an age of institutionalised homophobia in Russia, people were left wondering why on earth they performed at the 2014 Sochi Olympics.
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** Lena adopted "Running Blind" as one for her solo career, because it's probably the most prominent song of theirs that she sang most of the lead for.

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* ValuesResonance: In spite of the "All the Things She Said" video being rather obviously shot for schoolgirl titillation (and the {{Squick}} involved in how Julia and Lena were minors), it still has a very powerful message about tolerance and acceptance of sexuality - both girls recalling being thanked over the years by numerous LGBT fans who could relate to the music and the video. The video's Aesop is also quite powerful - Lena and Julia are implied to be trapped in a fence because society won't accept their relationship, but the end reveals that they are free to go wherever they please, and it's the onlookers who are behind the fence because of their ignorance.

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** At the time of its release, the first album "200 km/h in the Wrong Lane" was a controversial record. And while there was indeed stuff that was legitimate questionable in the presentation of the duo[[labelnote:note]]mostly the image of the girls focusing too much on the sexual aspect of their relationship. Not to mention they were underage when they debuted in Russia[[/labelnote]], much of the controversy came from outraged conservative media that focused almost completely on the presentation of the duo as a homosexual couple. A few decades later, the discussion of LGBT rights and representation became an important issue in society. In such a newly found social climate, the theme of the album became not only relevant, but gained an even deeper level of gravitas. Songs like "All The Thing She Said", "Not Gonna Get Us", "Show Me Love", "Stars", or "A Simple Motion" are powerful hymns that would resonate deeply with any LGBT individual as well as any person that is trying to relate with the struggle LGBT individuals go through all their lives.
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In spite of the "All the Things She Said" video being rather obviously shot for schoolgirl titillation (and the {{Squick}} involved in how Julia and Lena were minors), it still has a very powerful message about tolerance and acceptance of sexuality - both girls recalling being thanked over the years by numerous LGBT fans who could relate to the music and the video. The video's Aesop is also quite powerful - Lena and Julia are implied to be trapped in a fence because society won't accept their relationship, but the end reveals that they are free to go wherever they please, and it's the onlookers who are behind the fence because of their ignorance.ignorance.
*** The video of "Not Gonna Get Us" is much less sexualized in comparison to "All The Thing She Said", yet still carries a very deep message about freedom and love. In the video, Lena and Julia are first depicted as criminals locked in some facility, until they manage to escape. The video then shows both girls as they escape in a truck through the footage of surveillance cameras (presumably being watched by people trying to find them as the cameras rewind constantly). At one point, old pictures of the girls previous life are shown in between footage of their escape, implying that they used to be like any other girl. However, this is followed with shots of the truck running over these old versions of them, implying they're never going back to that old life again. They're finally out and free. The final shot shows the truck running over the camera, implying the triumph of the girls, and their love, over their captors.
** The Value Resonance extends to their later records as well. Dangerous and Moving has both "All About Us" and "Dangerous and Moving". Waste Management has "You And I" which is the last time they tackled this heavy theme related to society being against their love.

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* CommonKnowledge: They are sometimes remembered as one of the most egregious examples of BaitAndSwitchLesbians. Julia is actually bisexual in real life and Lena has merely never publicly stated her sexuality - but has implied she doesn't see gender as a boundary for affection.



* MisattributedSong: In addition to duo ТЕМА invoking this as mentioned on the main page (under TheMockbuster), debut song "Zavedi" by singer Marina Abrosimova, better known as [=MakSim=], gets attributed to t.A.T.u. quite often due to stylistic similarities and being actually credited to t.A.T.u. on a compilation. For [=MakSim=] herself (who became a pop star in Russia in her own right), that song is a case of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness; since it was released in 2002, that might as well [[FollowTheLeader be done intentionally]].

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In addition to duo ТЕМА invoking this as mentioned on the main page (under TheMockbuster), debut song "Zavedi" by singer Marina Abrosimova, better known as [=MakSim=], gets attributed to t.A.T.u. quite often due to stylistic similarities and being actually credited to t.A.T.u. on a compilation. For [=MakSim=] herself (who became a pop star in Russia in her own right), that song is a case of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness; since it was released in 2002, that might as well [[FollowTheLeader be done intentionally]].



* SignatureSong: "All the Things She Said" and "30 Minutes".

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"All the Things She Said" and "30 Minutes".


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* SongAssociation: "All the Things She Said" is remembered by a lot of WWE fans as being the entrance music for [[Wrestling/LisaMarieVaron Victoria]] from the late 2002 to mid 2004 period of her career. Doubly impressive, since it was often re-dubbed on DVD releases and the video games.


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* ValuesResonance: In spite of the "All the Things She Said" video being rather obviously shot for schoolgirl titillation (and the {{Squick}} involved in how Julia and Lena were minors), it still has a very powerful message about tolerance and acceptance of sexuality - both girls recalling being thanked over the years by numerous LGBT fans who could relate to the music and the video. The video's Aesop is also quite powerful - Lena and Julia are implied to be trapped in a fence because society won't accept their relationship, but the end reveals that they are free to go wherever they please, and it's the onlookers who are behind the fence because of their ignorance.
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* FoeYay: The song "Friend or Foe" is often used for FoeYay fanvids.
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** The band is this amongst the {{Fanvid}} community. "All The Things She Said" is especially (in)famous because for a long time it was used for virtually every YuriGenre couple and RomanticTwoGirlFriendship.

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** The band is this amongst the {{Fanvid}} community. "All The Things She Said" is especially (in)famous because for a long time it was used for virtually every YuriGenre couple and RomanticTwoGirlFriendship.PseudoRomanticFriendship.



** Julia was far more outgoing at early live shows, though after Lena had to perform some of their shows solo she gained more presence.

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** Julia was far more outgoing at early live shows, though after Lena had to perform some of their shows solo solo, she gained more presence.



* ValuesDissonance: The idea of underage girls being sexualised from their first albums, and the anti abortion messages from "White Robe" went down a lot worse in Western Europe and America than they did in Russia.

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* ValuesDissonance: The idea of underage girls being sexualised from their first albums, and the anti abortion anti-abortion messages from "White Robe" went down a lot worse in Western Europe and America than they did in Russia.

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"Running Blind" is a t.A.T.u. song


** ''Dangerous And Moving/Lyudi Invalidy'' lost many fans since the musical style (and message) was very different and the focus was no longer on the girls' relationship (while the girls continued to portray themselves in a relationship in both concerts and videos during this era, they dialed it down a lot. Just holding hands, sharing hugs, longing stares, and big smiles. Kissing now was extremely rare and eventually faded completely by the time of their third album). Many fans who could find one or two songs on that/those albums to appreciate were further displeased with ''Waste Management/Happy Smiles.''

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** ''Dangerous And and Moving/Lyudi Invalidy'' lost many fans since the musical style (and message) was very different and the focus was no longer on the girls' relationship (while the girls continued to portray themselves in a relationship in both concerts and videos during this era, they dialed it down a lot. Just holding hands, sharing hugs, longing stares, and big smiles. Kissing now was extremely rare and eventually faded completely by the time of their third album). Many fans who could find one or two songs on that/those that album/those albums to appreciate were further displeased with ''Waste Management/Happy Smiles.''



** Their last performance was in promotion of their first new song since Waste Management. They broke up days later.
** The 30 Minutes video became this after Julia converted to Islam,[[note]]she later returned to Eastern Orthodox Christianity, but still[[/note]] which is stereotypically associated with suicide bombings. The "Mama, Papa, forgive me" line is also very awkward after the 2017 Manchester Arena suicide attack, when the bomber phoned his mother to ask forgiveness shortly before the attack.

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** Their last performance was in promotion of their first new song since Waste Management.''Waste Management''. They broke up days later.
** The 30 Minutes "30 Minutes" video became this after Julia converted to Islam,[[note]]she later returned to Eastern Orthodox Christianity, but still[[/note]] which is stereotypically associated with suicide bombings. The "Mama, Papa, forgive me" line is also very awkward after the 2017 Manchester Arena suicide attack, when the bomber phoned his mother to ask forgiveness shortly before the attack.attack.
** The lyrics to "Friend or Foe" become this in light of the girls' testy relationship in real life.



** "Nas Ne Dogonyat" is this for the Russian fanbase, and "Running Blind" is Lena's signature solo song.

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** "Nas Ne Dogonyat" is this for the Russian fanbase, and "Running Blind" is Lena's signature solo song.fanbase.



* WTHCastingAgency: Sure, they're almost uncontended for the title of biggest international success of a Russian pop act, but in an age of institutionalised homophobia in Russia, people were left wondering why on earth they performed at the 2014 Sochi Olympics.

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* WTHCastingAgency: Sure, they're almost uncontended for the title of biggest international success of for a Russian pop act, but in an age of institutionalised homophobia in Russia, people were left wondering why on earth they performed at the 2014 Sochi Olympics.
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** The 30 Minutes video became this after Julia converted to Islam, which is stereotypically associated with suicide bombings. The "Mama, Papa, forgive me" line is also very awkward after the 2017 Manchester Arena suicide attack, when the bomber phoned his mother to ask forgiveness shortly before the attack.

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** The 30 Minutes video became this after Julia converted to Islam, Islam,[[note]]she later returned to Eastern Orthodox Christianity, but still[[/note]] which is stereotypically associated with suicide bombings. The "Mama, Papa, forgive me" line is also very awkward after the 2017 Manchester Arena suicide attack, when the bomber phoned his mother to ask forgiveness shortly before the attack.
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Googling this group suggests the Russian theme was just for this one recording.


** There's a lot of videos on Website/YouTube implying that the duo recorded a cover of the folk song "Kalinka". The song played on background is sang by a [[{{fauxreigner}} Russian-esque pop group from Germany]] called Yamboo.

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** There's a lot of videos on Website/YouTube implying claiming that the duo recorded a cover of the folk song "Kalinka". The song played on background This recording is sang actually by a [[{{fauxreigner}} Russian-esque pop group from Germany]] Germany called Yamboo.
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* HilariousInHindsight: In 2003, [[https://esctoday.com/2010/t-a-t-u_to_run_for_president_of_russia/ the girls claimed they would run for president of Russia the following year.]] Fast forward to 2021, and [[https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/04/29/tatu-singer-mp-russian-parliament-yulia-volkova/ Yulia actually is a political candidate!]]

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** ''Dangerous And Moving/Lyudi Invalidy'' lost many fans since the musical style (and message) was very different and the girls were no longer supposedly lesbians. Many fans who could find one or two songs on that/those albums to appreciate were further displeased with ''Waste Management/Happy Smiles.''

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** ''Dangerous And Moving/Lyudi Invalidy'' lost many fans since the musical style (and message) was very different and the girls were focus was no longer supposedly lesbians.on the girls' relationship (while the girls continued to portray themselves in a relationship in both concerts and videos during this era, they dialed it down a lot. Just holding hands, sharing hugs, longing stares, and big smiles. Kissing now was extremely rare and eventually faded completely by the time of their third album). Many fans who could find one or two songs on that/those albums to appreciate were further displeased with ''Waste Management/Happy Smiles.''
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** "''Malchik Gay''" especially is this after Julia said she'd condemn her son if he turned out gay, but [[DoubleStandard would happily be a-okay with it]] if was a lesbian daughter.

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** "''Malchik Gay''" especially is this after Julia said she'd condemn her son if he turned out gay, but [[DoubleStandard would happily be a-okay with it]] if was a lesbian daughter.[[note]]For what it's worth, Lena is one of the few Russian celebrities that is openly supportive to the LGBT+ community in Russia[[/note]]
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** "Nas Ne Dogonyat" is this for the Russian fanbase, and "Running Blind" is Lena's signature solo song.
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* WTHCastingAgency: Sure, they're almost uncontended for the title of biggest international success of a Russian pop act, but in an age of institutionalised homophobia in Russia, people were left wondering why on earth they performed at the Sochi Olympics.

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* WTHCastingAgency: Sure, they're almost uncontended for the title of biggest international success of a Russian pop act, but in an age of institutionalised homophobia in Russia, people were left wondering why on earth they performed at the 2014 Sochi Olympics.
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** Their early antics would now net some a jail sentence in Russia. Thanks, Putin.

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** Their early antics would now net some a jail sentence in Russia. Thanks, Putin.UsefulNotes/VladimirPutin.
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** "''Malchik Gay''" especially is this after Julia said she'd condemn her son if he turned out gay.

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** "''Malchik Gay''" especially is this after Julia said she'd condemn her son if he turned out gay.gay, but [[DoubleStandard would happily be a-okay with it]] if was a lesbian daughter.
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** Also, [[AccidentalMisnaming "Katya"]][[note]]Lena's surname confused enough people to make it a running joke with fans.[[/note]]

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** Also, [[AccidentalMisnaming "Katya"]][[note]]Lena's "Katya"]].[[note]]Lena's surname confused enough people to make it a running joke with fans.[[/note]]
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* ValuesDissonance: The idea of underage girls being sexualised from their first albums, and the anti abortion messages from "White Robe" went down a lot worse in Western Europe and America than they did in Russia.
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** There's a lot of videos on Website/YouTube implying that the duo recorded a cover of the folk song "Kalinka". The song played on background is sang by a [[{{fauxreigner}} Russian-esque pop group from Germany]] called Yamboo.
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* MisattributedSong: In addition to duo ТЕМА invoking this as mentioned on the main page (under TheMockbuster), debut song "Zavedi" by singer Mariya Abrosimova, better known as [=MakSim=], gets attributed to t.A.T.u. quite often due to stylistic similarities and being actually credited to t.A.T.u. on a compilation. For [=MakSim=] herself (who became a pop star in Russia in her own right), that song is a case of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness; since it was released in 2002, that might as well [[FollowTheLeader be done intentionally]].

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* MisattributedSong: In addition to duo ТЕМА invoking this as mentioned on the main page (under TheMockbuster), debut song "Zavedi" by singer Mariya Marina Abrosimova, better known as [=MakSim=], gets attributed to t.A.T.u. quite often due to stylistic similarities and being actually credited to t.A.T.u. on a compilation. For [=MakSim=] herself (who became a pop star in Russia in her own right), that song is a case of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness; since it was released in 2002, that might as well [[FollowTheLeader be done intentionally]].
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* SignatureSong: "All the Things She Said".

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* SignatureSong: "All the Things She Said".Said" and "30 Minutes".

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Some fans believe that Yulia is a ButchLesbian who caters to Lena's every sexual need. Others believe she is a wild, fun-loving, man-eating heterosexual. Others believe she likes AnythingThatMoves or is the famous version of whichever DepravedBisexual most recently broke their heart.



* BrokenBase: ''Dangerous And Moving/Lyudi Invalidy'' lost many fans since the musical style (and message) was very different and the girls were no longer supposedly lesbians. Many fans who could find one or two songs on that/those albums to appreciate were further displeased with ''Waste Management/Happy Smiles.''

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''Dangerous And Moving/Lyudi Invalidy'' lost many fans since the musical style (and message) was very different and the girls were no longer supposedly lesbians. Many fans who could find one or two songs on that/those albums to appreciate were further displeased with ''Waste Management/Happy Smiles.''



* EnsembleDarkhorse: While Lena spent a lot of the band's career in the shadow of Julia, there were a subset of fans who considered her the more talented singer. She is also now significantly more popular as a person due to Julia being seen as both a homophobe, and the reason the band broke up twice.



* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: They have quite a large fanbase in USA, South America and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWWLps36GpA Japan]].
* HarsherInHindsight: Their early antics would now net some a jail sentence in Russia. Thanks, Putin.

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: They have quite a large fanbase in USA, South America America, and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWWLps36GpA Japan]].
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Their early antics would now net some a jail sentence in Russia. Thanks, Putin.



* LesYay: Even after Lena and Yulia publicly admitted to not being genuine lesbians, they continued to kiss, hold hands, and otherwise behave affectionately during interviews and on stage.
** Around 2005 they dropped this apart from the hand holding. During the reunion, their old kiss spot was somewhat brought back in the form of them hugging, and then gazing longingly at each other.
* MemeticMutation: Every solo song by either of them is about the other girl according to the fan base, no exceptions. They're also still cast as lovers even though they haven't kissed in public in over 10 years, both are married to men with children, and they haven't even been close friends since 2010.

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* LesYay: Even after Lena and Yulia publicly admitted to not being genuine lesbians, they continued to kiss, hold hands, and otherwise behave affectionately during interviews and on stage.
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** Around 2005 they dropped this apart from the hand holding. During the reunion, their old kiss spot was somewhat brought back in the form of them hugging, and then gazing longingly at each other.
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Every solo song by either of them is about the other girl according to the fan base, no exceptions. They're also still cast as lovers even though they haven't kissed in public in over 10 years, both are married to men with children, and they haven't even been close friends since 2010.



** The band is this amongst the {{Fanvid}} community. "All The Things She Said" is especially (in)famous because for a long time it was used for virtually every YuriGenre couple and RomanticTwoGirlFriendship.



* UnnecessaryMakeover: Yulia gradually took a number of cosmetic procedures that have [[http://i.imgur.com/nbXjt.jpg made her unrecognisable.]]
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* NightmareFuel: Yulia building a bomb in the "30 Minutes"/"''Pol chasa''" video after getting jealous about Lena being with a man, and subsequently blows up a children's merry-go-round. With Lena and the man ''on it at the time.''
** The "''Beliy Plaschik''/White Robe" video where Lena calls on a firing squad to shoot a pregnant Yulia, who was being held in a Detention Centre at the time (and is hinted to actually be innocent.) At the very end, a phone starts ringing before it fades to black, implying it was a call to confirm Yulia's innocence, happening a moment too late. Some fans speculate this video to be a continuation of "All About Us". The speculation is justified in an interview wherein Lena said that ''Waste Management'' shows the grim results of the problems brought up in ''Dangerous and Moving.''
*** It's worth mentioning that as well as being the leader of a firing squad, Lena plays a prostitute and is probably sentencing someone to death when she is the one that's truly in the wrong.
** In the "Nas Ne Dagonyat/Not Gonna Get Us" video, Yulia and Lena steal a large truck, which is slightly burning on the left side,) and run over a construction worker, played by their ex-producer Ivan Shapovalov. {{Foreshadowing}} anybody?
*** They also drive over ''themselves. ''
** Of course in the uncensored version of the "All About Us" video, where Yulia shoots a man in the head after he ''throws her through a glass table and attempts to strangle her, '' on top of attempted rape.
*** He also happened to have bullets and a gun in his apartment. Make of that what you will.
** In the "Snegopady/Snowfalls" video, Yulia and Lena drive on motorbikes through a town and various motorways at dangerous speeds. Attracting the attention of the police, they drive to escape from them. At the end of the video however they turn their bikes towards each other and drive straight into one another ''committing dual suicide. ''
** In the "Lyudi Invalidi/Dangerous and Moving" video, Yulia and Lena lead a crowd of mindless people that are depicted to have no individuality and quite literally, follow the crowd, are led off of a great height of some sort, falling to their deaths.
** In both the "Ne Ver' Ne Boisya", and the unreleased ''Clowns'' video, Yulia is briefly shown to be in handcuffs of some sort in a barbed-wire guarded imprisonment.
*** Also, a teddy bear is shown to be on fire. Who doesn't find that creepy?
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One Of Us is now Just For Fun per this TRS thread. Also not a YMMV trope.


* OneOfUs: Usually Lena.

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