History YMMV / TalesOfInnocence

25th Dec '14 11:50:00 AM MagBas
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: In such a way that actually averts FanDumb, for the most part. The fanbase is, on the whole, ''very'' happy with ''[[VideogameRemake Tales of Innocence R]]'' having more characters, more dungeons and more bosses. What they ''don't'' like is the way that Namco has taken the [[LimitBreak Mystic Artes]] and made them much simpler, making for much fewer instances of VisualEffectsOfAwesome. The general reaction varies between "Mild disappointment", "UnstoppableRage" and "[[DrinkingGame Take a shot every time one sucks]]".

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: In such a way that actually averts FanDumb, for the most part. TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The fanbase is, on the whole, ''very'' happy with ''[[VideogameRemake Tales of Innocence R]]'' having more characters, more dungeons and more bosses. What they ''don't'' like is the way that Namco has taken the [[LimitBreak Mystic Artes]] and made them much simpler, making for much fewer instances of VisualEffectsOfAwesome. The general reaction varies between "Mild disappointment", "UnstoppableRage" and "[[DrinkingGame Take a shot every time one sucks]]".
22nd Oct '14 1:09:56 AM YueFairchild
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* OlderThanTheyThink: Much of the game's premise is eerily similar to the backstory of White Wolf's {{Exalted}} RPG, down to the past-life superpowers and [[spoiler:conspiracy about the downfall of the main character's previous incarnation.]]
21st Feb '14 3:33:51 PM Ecclytennysmithylove
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny:
** When Chitose kisses Luca after the first battle against [[spoiler:Ricardo]], Iria makes this high pitched screechy sound. ''R'' makes it even better with Chitose apparently kissing Luca aggressively, judging from Luca's reaction (who shuts his eyes tight and waves both of his hands wildly in panic).
** A skit featuring Iria, [[spoiler:Ange and Ricardo discussing Ricardo's health. Iria thinks he lacks color in his face because he was a reaper in his past life. Ricardo says if that was the case Ange would be a man despite her looks. Ange says she was surprised he [[BlatantLies could tell]]. Their reactions are awesome.]]
** Ange asking Ricardo to protect her from the heat of Kelm Volcano, which Ricardo replies to in all-professional, stoic manner. ''R'' makes it even funnier [[MundaneMadeAwesome by having the "dire situation" BGM plays in the background instead of the dungeon theme]].
** In the original, when Hermana accidentally pushes Ange's BerserkButton, the scene goes deathly quiet as Ange descends into TranquilFury, complete with a flash and thundering sound. In ''R'', the thundering sound is replaced by a mere flashing sound, but to make it up, the scene has ''Kongwai'' gets startled at (in his own words) how terrifying Ange becomes.
18th Nov '13 12:07:24 AM Clae
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* HoYay: Due to the nature of RelationshipValues, players can pair Luca with whoever they want. There are some notable ones story-wise, though, especially in ''R''.

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* HoYay: Due to the nature of RelationshipValues, players can pair Luca with whoever they want.want (at least, in the original version). There are some notable ones story-wise, though, especially in ''R''.


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*** Also related to BashBrothers, they become the pair representing ''Innocence'' in ''Tales of the Heroes: Twin Brave''.
5th Nov '13 4:52:36 AM Clae
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: In such a way that actually averts FanDumb, for the most part. The fanbase is, on the whole, ''very'' happy with ''[[VideogameRemake Tales of Innocence R]]'' having more characters, more dungeons and more bosses. What they ''don't'' like is the way that Namco has taken the [[LimitBreak Mystic Artes]] and made them much simpler, making for much fewer instances of VisualEffectsOfAwesome. The general reaction varies between "Mild disappointment", "UnstoppableRage" and "[[DrinkingGame Take a shot every time one sucks]]".



* {{Woolseyism}}: The fan-translation takes this path for a good fraction of the game, which is noticeable if you listen and cross-check the voice-acting and translated scripts. They don't translate word-for-word, and instead focused on fluency. And it works splendidly. And you know, if literalism is your thing, you actually have the option of ''[[TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything turning off the Woolseyisms]]''...for terminology, anyway.
** The very first example is replacing "''Tenjo''" and "''Chijo''" with "Devaloka" and "Naraka", which is Sanskrit for "Realm of the Devas"/"Heaven" and "Hell" respectively. It makes sense in context of later revelations, as the game draws a fair amount from Buddhism and Hinduism.



** Chien too, definitely. To elaborate: [[spoiler:he was shunned by the society thanks to the fact that his dogs, Cer and Ber, are actually his biological brothers (being the reincarnations of Cerberus), prompting him to join Arca cult under the hope he could finally [[IJustWantToBeLoved be accepted]]. Then Mathias reveals her nature as OminicidalManiac]]. The kid really needs one of [[CooldownHug Ange's hugs]].

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** Chien too, definitely. To elaborate: [[spoiler:he was shunned by the society thanks to the fact that his dogs, Cer and Ber, are actually his biological brothers (being the reincarnations of Cerberus), prompting him to join Arca cult under the hope he could finally [[IJustWantToBeLoved be accepted]]. Then Mathias reveals her nature as OminicidalManiac]].OmnicidalManiac]]. The kid really needs one of [[CooldownHug Ange's hugs]].




!!YMMV tropes applicable to ''R'' version:

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\n* {{Woolseyism}}: The fan-translation takes this path for a good fraction of the game, which is noticeable if you listen and cross-check the voice-acting and translated scripts. They don't translate word-for-word, and instead focused on fluency. And it works splendidly. And you know, if literalism is your thing, you actually have the option of ''[[TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything turning off the Woolseyisms]]''...for terminology, anyway.
** The very first example is replacing "''Tenjo''" and "''Chijo''" with "Devaloka" and "Naraka", which is Sanskrit for "Realm of the Devas"/"Heaven" and "Hell" respectively. It makes sense in context of later revelations, as the game draws a fair amount from Buddhism and Hinduism.

!!YMMV tropes applicable to ''R'' version:version:
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: In such a way that actually averts FanDumb, for the most part. The fanbase is, on the whole, ''very'' happy with ''[[VideogameRemake Tales of Innocence R]]'' having more characters, more dungeons and more bosses. What they ''don't'' like is the way that Namco has taken the [[LimitBreak Mystic Artes]] and made them much simpler, making for much fewer instances of VisualEffectsOfAwesome. The general reaction varies between "Mild disappointment", "UnstoppableRage" and "[[DrinkingGame Take a shot every time one sucks]]".
5th Nov '13 4:26:33 AM Clae
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* GameBreaker: "[[OverlyLongName AKA]] [[CrowningMomentOfFunny Yum Yum]]", the very final recipe, which can only be obtained after getting ''every other recipe'' in the game, ''and'' a key item. The effect? [[spoiler: 90% EXP bonus for 9 turns.]] Now, [[LevelGrinding get grinding]]!
** However, the one that ultimately [[IncrediblyLamePun takes the throne]] here is the recipe that comes just before it: "Manhan Quanxi"[[note]]The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhan_Quanxi Manchu Han Imperial Feast]][[/note]]. It requires '''9''' types of ingredients in varying portions, which makes 18 portions per dish, and lasts for only ''one'' turn. What does it do? [[spoiler:40% DEF bonus, and 80% Physical damage reduction. It's practically ''made'' for boss fights, and indeed, makes them ridiculous it does.]]
** The final ability unlocked by Versus Style; you know, the ability that grants no stat bonuses and only unlocks self-crippling abilities? "Risk & Reward": [[spoiler:-90% HP for +90% EXP bonus]]. Even discounting the cumulative EXP you can milk together with "AKA Yum Yum", the ability alone is pretty much gamebreaking if you can defend/evade well.



** The past life side has Himmel and Orifiel, who mean so much for each other that [[spoiler:Albert/Himmel intended to sacrifice Ange/Orifiel to activate the Manifest.]]



*** Ange does offer one to him after [[spoiler:his HeelFaceTurn in Sania; [[CrowningMomentOfFunny he settled with a head-pat instead]]]].

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*** Ange does offer one to him after [[spoiler:his HeelFaceTurn in Sania; [[CrowningMomentOfFunny he settled with a head-pat instead]]]].instead]]]].

!!YMMV tropes applicable to original version:
* GameBreaker: "[[OverlyLongName AKA]] [[CrowningMomentOfFunny Yum Yum]]", the very final recipe, which can only be obtained after getting ''every other recipe'' in the game, ''and'' a key item. The effect? [[spoiler: 90% EXP bonus for 9 turns.]] Now, [[LevelGrinding get grinding]]!
** However, the one that ultimately [[IncrediblyLamePun takes the throne]] here is the recipe that comes just before it: "Manhan Quanxi"[[note]]The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhan_Quanxi Manchu Han Imperial Feast]][[/note]]. It requires '''9''' types of ingredients in varying portions, which makes 18 portions per dish, and lasts for only ''one'' turn. What does it do? [[spoiler:40% DEF bonus, and 80% Physical damage reduction. It's practically ''made'' for boss fights, and indeed, makes them ridiculous it does.]]
** The final ability unlocked by Versus Style; you know, the ability that grants no stat bonuses and only unlocks self-crippling abilities? "Risk & Reward": [[spoiler:-90% HP for +90% EXP bonus]]. Even discounting the cumulative EXP you can milk together with "AKA Yum Yum", the ability alone is pretty much gamebreaking if you can defend/evade well.

!!YMMV tropes applicable to ''R'' version:
2nd Nov '13 6:12:51 AM Clae
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** In the original, when Hermana accidentally pushes Ange's BerserkButton, the scene goes deathly quiet as Ange descends into TranquilFury, complete with a flash and thundering sound.

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** In the original, when Hermana accidentally pushes Ange's BerserkButton, the scene goes deathly quiet as Ange descends into TranquilFury, complete with a flash and thundering sound. In ''R'', the thundering sound is replaced by a mere flashing sound, but to make it up, the scene has ''Kongwai'' gets startled at (in his own words) how terrifying Ange becomes.



** For some LesYay in ''R'', Hermana's obsession with Ange's assets now manages to give Spada's a run for his money.



** Hasta. Oh dear... As if his pre-battle cutscene ramblings haven't disoriented you enough...

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** Hasta. Oh dear... As if his pre-battle cutscene ramblings haven't disoriented you enough...(and the party) enough. To elaborate, Hasta has nasty offensive and defensive power to begin with, and this is made worse by his WeaponOfChoice, meaning he has wide range for his attacks.



*** That's just the pre-battle info the players are given. Fighting the battle is ''hell'' itself. His kicks, dashes and shots deal insane damage to the party, but to make things worse, his tornado is pretty much guaranteed to KO anyone near him who weren't quick enough to guard or move out of the way. Oh, but that's not even his trump card: he has an energy surge attack that knocks down and away anyone near him (i.e:the melee fighters, who are the #1 powerhouses) ''while dealing nigh-OHKO damage at the same time''. And he uses it without any warning. [[strike:Gods bless you.]] Did we mention that he's constantly on the move, rarely touches the ground and never stays in one spot for more than a few seconds?

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*** That's just the pre-battle info the players are given. Fighting the battle is ''hell'' itself. His kicks, dashes and shots deal insane damage to the party, but to make things worse, his tornado is pretty much guaranteed to KO anyone near him who weren't quick enough to guard or move out of the way. Oh, but that's not even his trump card: he has an energy surge attack that knocks down and away anyone near him (i.e:the melee fighters, who are the #1 powerhouses) ''while dealing nigh-OHKO damage at the same time''. And he uses it without any warning. [[strike:Gods bless you.]] Did we mention that he's constantly on the move, rarely touches the ground and never stays in one spot for more than a few seconds?



* TheScrappy: Coda. It's not that he does something to be hated - it's that he doesn't do anything at all for the whole game. He has no backstory and no plot purpose. He's just there for the sake of being the game's mascot and tutorial.

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* TheScrappy: Coda. It's not that he does something to be hated - it's that he doesn't do anything at all for the whole game. He has no backstory and no plot purpose. He's just there for the sake of being the game's mascot and tutorial. To be fair, the game actually acknowledges this numerous times, so this is most likely intentional.
2nd Nov '13 5:33:05 AM Clae
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** Ange asking Ricardo to protect her from the heat of Kelm Volcano.

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** Ange asking Ricardo to protect her from the heat of Kelm Volcano.Volcano, which Ricardo replies to in all-professional, stoic manner. ''R'' makes it even funnier [[MundaneMadeAwesome by having the "dire situation" BGM plays in the background instead of the dungeon theme]].
30th Oct '13 7:33:18 AM Clae
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*** Related to above, now in ''R'', Ange's BerserkButton becomes a RunningGag. Every instances of them is hilarious to varying degrees, but it becomes especially funny once Ange sports [[TheUnsmile an unsettling smile]].



** Kongwai/Luca and Kongwai/Spada, although nowhere as blatant as the above. One of the victory quotes have Kongwai encouraging Luca and tells him that he has done his best[[note]]by completing a battle with low HP for Luca[[/note]].

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** Kongwai/Luca and Kongwai/Spada, although nowhere as blatant as the above. One of In the victory quotes have RelationshipValues screen, Kongwai encouraging notes Luca and tells him that he has done his best[[note]]by completing to be "interesting", among other things. He is also one of a battle with low HP for Luca[[/note]].few who actually treats Luca well.


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** Related to CrossoverShip, some people are also fond of pairing Spada with [[VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia Yuri]], at least in Pixiv.
25th Oct '13 3:49:03 AM Clae
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: When Chitose kisses Luca after the first battle against [[spoiler:Ricardo]], Iria makes this high pitched screechy sound.

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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: CrowningMomentOfFunny:
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When Chitose kisses Luca after the first battle against [[spoiler:Ricardo]], Iria makes this high pitched screechy sound.sound. ''R'' makes it even better with Chitose apparently kissing Luca aggressively, judging from Luca's reaction (who shuts his eyes tight and waves both of his hands wildly in panic).



** In the original, when Hermana accidentally pushes Ange's BerserkButton, the scene goes deathly quiet as Ange descends into TranquilFury, complete with a flash and thundering sound.
*** Related to above, now in ''R'', Ange's BerserkButton becomes a RunningGag. Every instances of them is hilarious to varying degrees, but it becomes especially funny once Ange sports [[TheUnsmile an unsettling smile]].



** Spada and Luca takes the cake, even more so in ''R''. In the original, when Luca [[spoiler:recovers after he was stabbed by Hasta]], [[http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff314/RyuHiroshi/toi/spadaxruca.png he hugs him]] twice (and attempted the third). In ''R''? ''It goes way back to early in the story not long after they meet'', where upon finding out that Luca is the reincarnation of Asura, Spada immediately hugs him while telling him that he (as Durandal) missed Luca.

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** Spada and Luca takes the cake, even more so in ''R''. ''R''.
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In the original, when Luca [[spoiler:recovers after he was stabbed by Hasta]], [[http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff314/RyuHiroshi/toi/spadaxruca.png he hugs him]] twice (and attempted the third). In ''R''? ''It goes way back to early in the story not long after they meet'', where upon finding out that Luca is the reincarnation of Asura, Spada immediately hugs him while telling him that he (as Durandal) missed Luca.Luca/Asura...[[MomentKiller before it is humorously cut short by Iria]]. Luca's reaction does not help matters.
*** Spada is especially protective of Luca, to the point it carries to his victory quote in ''R''. Luca himself seems to appreciate it. He also tends to be the one giving Luca verbal support when Luca is depressed.
*** In ''R'', they are upgraded to BashBrothers, with some of their victory poses have them cross their swords in the air together.
** Kongwai/Luca and Kongwai/Spada, although nowhere as blatant as the above. One of the victory quotes have Kongwai encouraging Luca and tells him that he has done his best[[note]]by completing a battle with low HP for Luca[[/note]].
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