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** Is the PSX version of Leon [[spoiler: [[SuicideByCop trying to get killed]]]] or was he just a jerk who bit off more than he could chew [[spoiler: in his final scene?]]
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* DisappointingLastLevel: [[spoiler: After Dycroft is activated and you finally get to go up to the Aethersphere to save the world, you're treated to... a barren new world map littered with a handful of identical pyramids that must be completed in a gauntlet of tedious, confusing, nearly identical multi-level mazes, all with that fun high encounter rate. With little plot development. Yay.]]
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* CompleteMonster: [[ManipulativeBastard Kronos]] (known as Miktran in Japan), the millennia-old King of the Aetherians, is a [[FantasticRacism racist]] who uses his people's well-being as an excuse to [[FinalSolution commit genocide]] against the populace of the Earth, known as the Er'thers. When the Er'thers tried to kill him, he killed one of them and overwrote their Swordian's personality in order to remain alive. Once he's [[SealedEvilInACan unearthed a thousand years later]], he possesses [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Hugo Gilchrist, making him kill his wife and abuse his son for 16 years and nearly causing several world wars to erupt as a means to gain the Eye of Atamoni. Though he uses the well-being of the Aetherians as an excuse to laser the Earth both before and after his "death" and to kill hundreds of people, he has no true care for his people, as shown by him ignoring the descendants of the Aetherians living in the wasteland of Calvalese. A cruel and petty man, he takes amusement from the suffering about others and will stop at nothing to revive his kingdom.
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* CompleteMonster: [[ManipulativeBastard Kronos]] (known as Miktran in Japan), the millennia-old King of the Aetherians, is a [[FantasticRacism racist]] who uses his people's well-being as an excuse to [[FinalSolution commit genocide]] against the populace of the Earth, known as the Er'thers. When the Er'thers tried to kill him, he killed one of them and overwrote their Swordian's personality in order to remain alive. Once he's [[SealedEvilInACan unearthed a thousand years later]], he possesses [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Hugo Gilchrist, Gilchrist]], making him kill his wife and abuse his son for 16 years and nearly causing several world wars to erupt as a means to gain the Eye of Atamoni. Though he uses the well-being of the Aetherians as an excuse to laser the Earth both before and after his "death" and to kill hundreds of people, he has no true care for his people, as shown by him ignoring the descendants of the Aetherians living in the wasteland of Calvalese. A cruel and petty man, he takes amusement from the suffering about others and will stop at nothing to revive his kingdom.
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* CompleteMonster: [[ManipulativeBastard Kronos (Miktran in Japan)]], the millennia-old King of the Aetherians, is a [[FantasticRacism racist]] who uses his people's well-being as an excuse to [[FinalSolution commit genocide]] against the populace of the Earth, known as the Er'thers. When the Er'thers tried to kill him, he killed one of them and overwrote their Swordian's personality in order to remain alive. Once he's unearthed a thousand years later, he possesses Hugo Gilchirst, making him kill his wife and abuse his son for 16 years and nearly causing several world wars to erupt as a means to gain the Eye of Atamoni. Though he uses the well-being of the Aetherians as an excuse to laser the Earth both before and after his "death" and kill hundreds of people, he has no true care for his people, as shown by him ignoring the descendants of the Aetherians living in the wasteland of Calvalese. A cruel and petty man, he takes amusement from the suffering about others and will stop at nothing to revive his kingdom.
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* CompleteMonster: [[ManipulativeBastard Kronos (Miktran Kronos]] (known as Miktran in Japan)]], Japan), the millennia-old King of the Aetherians, is a [[FantasticRacism racist]] who uses his people's well-being as an excuse to [[FinalSolution commit genocide]] against the populace of the Earth, known as the Er'thers. When the Er'thers tried to kill him, he killed one of them and overwrote their Swordian's personality in order to remain alive. Once he's [[SealedEvilInACan unearthed a thousand years later, later]], he possesses [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Hugo Gilchirst, Gilchrist, making him kill his wife and abuse his son for 16 years and nearly causing several world wars to erupt as a means to gain the Eye of Atamoni. Though he uses the well-being of the Aetherians as an excuse to laser the Earth both before and after his "death" and to kill hundreds of people, he has no true care for his people, as shown by him ignoring the descendants of the Aetherians living in the wasteland of Calvalese. A cruel and petty man, he takes amusement from the suffering about others and will stop at nothing to revive his kingdom.
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* CompleteMonster: [[ManipulativeBastard Kronos (Miktran in Japan)]], the millennia-old King of the Aetherians, is a [[FantasticRacism racist]] who uses his people's well-being as an excuse to [[FinalSolution commit genocide]] against the populace of the Earth, known as the Er'thers. When the Er'thers tried to kill him, he killed one of them and overwrote their Swordian's personality in order to remain alive. Once he's unearthed a thousand years later, he posseses possesses Hugo Gilchirst, making him kill his wife and abuse his son for 16 years and nearly causing several world wars to erupt as a means to gain the Eye of Atamoni. Though he uses the well-being of the Aetherians as an excuse to laser the Earth both before and after his "death" and kill hundreds of people, he has no true care for his people, as shown by him ignoring the descendants of the Aetherians living in the wasteland of Calvalese. A cruel and petty man, he takes amusement from the suffering about others and will stop at nothing to revive his kingdom.
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** For a change of pace, how about Johnny/Karyl's ultra-cheap Maware Rondo?
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** A worse offender is a glitch affecting Johnny's Score G cutscene. Go to speak to Sakuraba too soon and when he plays the piano in Johnny's room, the scene won't transition properly, forcing you to reset when you get locked in an endless piano loop. There is a very long dungeon before this with no save points in it, and its very easy not to save before going to get Score G.
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* AmericansHateTingle: Well, in a minor way. For the Western market, this is an early Tales game, so otherwise not too groundbreaking, maybe a CultClassic, they'd see more to ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'' when it comes to ''the'' Tales game, while respecting that Destiny is the first Tales to come to the States. However, in Japan, it is ''much'' more considered important next to Phantasia, to the point that it got [[VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2 a sequel]], remake, and bonus appearance in ''VideoGame/NamcoXCapcom''. Why? Two words: [[EnsembleDarkhorse Leon Magnus]].
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* IKnewIt: [[spoiler: Leon and Rutee are siblings!]]
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* GameBreakingBug: Sometimes, treasures will disappear thanks to glitches.
** If you enter the house with the movable bushbaby statue in Harmentz, a chest in Terazzi Castle will disappear.
** If you get the Kite Shield in the temple in Kalviola, a chest in Helraios will disappear.
** Just entering Dycroft causes some of its treasures to disappear, while causing blue treasure chests throughout the game to reappear.
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* PuritySue: Possibly Marian. She's not shown to have any flaws, is simply PurityPersonified, and the second half of Leon's story is all about her... But the only time we ever see her is from Leon's point of view, and he's not very likely to be a reliable narrator when it comes to someone he cares so much about, similar to Stella in ''VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia''. All in all, she's not really given enough screentime for a verdict to be given.
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* TheScrappy: Rutee in the original game. She's a JerkWithAHeartOfGold {{Tsundere}} OnlyInItForTheMoney with too much emphasis on the jerk part, too much story sympathy, and violent interactions with characters who don't deserve it. Added with the DieForOurShip from Stahn[=/=]Leon fans, she's not well-liked at all, though her Jerkass tendencies were toned down in the remake, much like Leon's, and she shows remorse for some of her actions, like insulting Philia.
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* TheScrappy: Rutee in the original game. She's a JerkWithAHeartOfGold {{Tsundere}} OnlyInItForTheMoney with too much emphasis on the jerk part, too much story sympathy, and violent interactions with characters who don't deserve it. Added with the DieForOurShip from Stahn[=/=]Leon fans, she's not well-liked at all, though her Jerkass {{Jerkass}} tendencies were toned down in the remake, much like Leon's, and she shows remorse for some of her actions, like insulting Philia.
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* CompleteMonster: [[FinalSolution Miktran]], [[HopeCrusher Miktran]], [[EvilOverlord Miktran.]] He's a [[KickTheDog puppy kicking asshole]] with absolutely no redeeming qualities and a particularly sadistic streak when it comes to making Leon do his bidding. In a series known for having fleshed-out villains with sympathetic motives or backstories, he's the black sheep wanting to exterminate millions ForTheEvulz. This is the remake version, however, in the original version, Miktran actually has a reason for being evil, genuinely believing that his people, the Aetherians, were on the right side and [[PatrioticFervor wanted to avenge their loss]]. But then MotiveDecay hits in...
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* TheScrappy: Rutee in the original game. She's a JerkWithAHeartOfGold {{Tsundere}} OnlyInItForTheMoney with too much emphasis on the jerk part, too much story sympathy, and violent interactions with characters who don't deserve it. Added with the DieForOurShip from Stahn[=/=]Leon fans, she's not well-liked at all, though her Jerkass tendencies were toned down in the remake, much like Leon's, and she shows remorse for some of her actions, like insulting Philia.
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* TheScrappy: Rutee in the original game. She's a JerkWithAHeartOfGold {{Tsundere}} with too much emphasis on the jerk part, too much story sympathy, and violent interactions with characters who don't deserve it. Added with the DieForOurShip from Stahn[=/=]Leon fans, she's not well-liked at all, though her Jerkass tendencies were toned down in the remake, much like Leon's.Leon's, and she shows remorse for some of her actions, like insulting Philia.
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* TheScrappy: Rutee in the original game. She's a JerkWithAHeartOfGold {{Tsundere}} with too much emphasis on the jerk part, too much story sympathy, and violent interactions with characters who don't deserve it. Added with the DieForOurShip from Stahn[=/=]Leon fans, she's not well-liked, well-liked at all, though her Jerkass tendencies were toned down in the remake, much like Leon's.
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* TheScrappy: Rutee in the original game. Jerk with a Heart of Gold Tsundere JerkWithAHeartOfGold {{Tsundere}} with too much emphasis on the jerk part, too much story sympathy, and violent interactions with characters who don't deserve it. Added with the DieForOurShip from Stahn[=/=]Leon fans, she's not well-liked, though her Jerkass tendencies were toned down in the remake, much like Leon's.
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Miktran, whilst possessing Hugo,]] officially crosses the line when he sends Leon to fight Stahn and the others in the mine, [[resulting in Leon's death.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Miktran, whilst possessing Hugo,]] officially crosses the line when he sends Leon to fight Stahn and the others in the mine, [[resulting [[spoiler: resulting in Leon's death.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Miktran, whilst possessing Hugo, officially crosses the line when he sends Leon to fight Stahn and the others in the mine, resulting in Leon's death.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Miktran, whilst possessing Hugo, Hugo,]] officially crosses the line when he sends Leon to fight Stahn and the others in the mine, resulting [[resulting in Leon's death.]]
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: One of Johnny's Blast Calibers summons a dozen amps out of nowhere, and the other one summons him an electric guitar to perform a solo. The game takes place in a middle ages-like setting. These events are never referenced or questioned outside of battle.
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* CompleteMonster: [[FinalSolution Miktran]], [[HopeCrusher Miktran]], [[EvilOverlord Miktran.]] He's a [[KickTheDog puppy kicking asshole]] with absolutely no redeeming qualities and a particularly sadistic streak when it comes to making Leon do his bidding. In a series known for having fleshed-out villains with sympathetic motives or backstories, he's the black sheep wanting to exterminate millions ForTheEvulz.
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* CompleteMonster: [[FinalSolution Miktran]], [[HopeCrusher Miktran]], [[EvilOverlord Miktran.]] He's a [[KickTheDog puppy kicking asshole]] with absolutely no redeeming qualities and a particularly sadistic streak when it comes to making Leon do his bidding. In a series known for having fleshed-out villains with sympathetic motives or backstories, he's the black sheep wanting to exterminate millions ForTheEvulz. This is the remake version, however, in the original version, Miktran actually has a reason for being evil, genuinely believing that his people, the Aetherians, were on the right side and [[PatrioticFervor wanted to avenge their loss]]. But then MotiveDecay hits in...
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* BrokenBase: Leon's AlternativeCharacterInterpretation in the remake. Quite a few people love the changes making him much [[TheWoobie more sympathetic]], while others see it as BadassDecay (leading to some [[UnfortunateImplications Unfortunate]] [[ARealManIsAKiller Implications]]) or [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the fangirls]].
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* BrokenBase: Leon's AlternativeCharacterInterpretation in the remake. Quite a few people love the changes making him much [[TheWoobie more sympathetic]], while others see it as BadassDecay (leading to some [[UnfortunateImplications Unfortunate]] [[ARealManIsAKiller Implications]]) or [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the fangirls]].
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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Again, Leon. As the fan favourite, he's been paired with everyone. [[OedipusComplex Marian]], [[YaoiGuys Stahn]], [[ShipMates Philia]], [[CargoShip Chaltier]], [[BrotherSisterIncest Rutee]], [[ParentalIncest Hu]][[MemeticMolester go]], [[spoiler: [[ScrewYourself Judas]]]], [[CrackPairing Lilith]], sometimes even [[CrossoverShip Yuri]]. Oddly, [[spoiler: Judas]] is rarely shipped with anyone besides Harold or Philia.
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* JerkassWoobie: Leon. The abuse he went through wasn't at all justified, JerkassFacade or not. The {{Jerkass}} part of his character was toned down substantially in the remake, making him come across as more of a straight [[TheWoobie woobie]].
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*** It's to the point now that Namco has officially retired both Yuri and Leon into the Hall of Fame for the popularity polls. They can no longer be voted for in the official main poll for most popular Tales character.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Marian [[ObliviousToLove oblivious to Leon's feelings towards her]], or does [[JustFriends she see them as purely platonic?]] Or alternately, is she [[BetterAsFriends not interested?]]
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Marian [[ObliviousToLove oblivious to Leon's feelings towards her]], or does [[JustFriends she see them as purely platonic?]] Or alternately, is she [[BetterAsFriends not interested?]] interested?]]
* BrokenBase: Leon's AlternativeCharacterInterpretation in the remake. Quite a few people love the changes making him much more sympathetic, while others see it as BadassDecay (leading to some [[UnfortunateImplications Unfortunate]] [[ARealManIsAKiller Implications]]) or PanderingToTheBase.
* BrokenBase: Leon's AlternativeCharacterInterpretation in the remake. Quite a few people love the changes making him much more sympathetic, while others see it as BadassDecay (leading to some [[UnfortunateImplications Unfortunate]] [[ARealManIsAKiller Implications]]) or PanderingToTheBase.
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* MemeticMolester: Hugo is quite possibly the single best example in the series, no thanks to [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJVtcQoIssM this bit of]] MemeticMutation.
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* MemeticMolester: Hugo is quite possibly the single best example in the series, no thanks to [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJVtcQoIssM this bit of]] MemeticMutation. Becomes a subtle AscendedMeme in the remake when he gives Leon a mushroom known to resemble certain anatomy just to make Leon uncomfortable.
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* CompleteMonster: [[FinalSolution Miktran]], [[HopeCrusher Miktran]], [[EvilOverlord Miktran.]] He's a [[KickTheDog puppy kicking asshole]] with absolutely no redeeming qualities and a particularly sadistic streak when it comes to pushing Leon around. In a series known for having fleshed-out villains with sympathetic motives or backstories, he's the black sheep wanting to exterminate millions ForTheEvulz.
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* CompleteMonster: [[FinalSolution Miktran]], [[HopeCrusher Miktran]], [[EvilOverlord Miktran.]] He's a [[KickTheDog puppy kicking asshole]]] asshole]] with absolutely no redeeming qualities and a particularly sadistic streak when it comes to pushing Leon around. In a series known for having fleshed-out villains with sympathetic motives or backstories, he's the black sheep wanting to exterminate millions ForTheEvulz.
