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3	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Shares a page with the rest of the franchise [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation/TalesSeries here]].
4	* AmericansHateTingle:
5	** Well, in a minor way. For the Western market, this is an early Tales game, so otherwise not too groundbreaking, maybe a CultClassic, they'd see more to ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'' when it comes to ''the'' Tales game, while respecting that Destiny is the first Tales to come to the States. However, in Japan, it is ''much'' more considered important next to Phantasia, to the point that it got [[VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2 a sequel]], remake, and bonus appearance in ''VideoGame/NamcoXCapcom''. Why? Two words: [[EnsembleDarkhorse Leon Magnus]].
6	** The original Leon is a BaseBreakingCharacter in the Western fandom versus one of the most popular characters in all of ''Tales'' in Japan. Its hard to enjoy a game with adventure when there is a guy holding a shock collar button threatening to kill you all if you don't do as he tells to. Leon regularly belittled and insulted the party telling them how little any of them meant to him, yet [[WhatDoesSheSeeinHim Stahn kept insisting on trying to befriend him.]] [[spoiler: Even Stahn's sympathy toward Leon when he is revived as a zombie feels like CharacterShilling considering all the terrible things he's done toward Stahn in pursuit of his personal ambitions.]] In Japan, there was a number of Japanese exclusive Drama [=CDs=] and other media that toned down a lot of Leon's sociopathy and made him more sympathetic. The remake and Tales of Destiny 2 starring [[spoiler:a redeemed Leon]] were also never translated.
7	* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: One of Johnny's Blast Calibers summons a dozen amps out of nowhere, and the other one summons him an electric guitar to perform a solo. The game takes place in a middle ages-like setting. These events are never referenced or questioned outside of battle.
8	* {{Cargo Ship}}/{{Ho Yay}}: The 'bath skit' in Leon's side of the remake, PlayedForLaughs. Essentially, Philia asks how long Chatlier and Leon have known each other, and Chaltier states they're never apart, even when Leon takes baths. Philia's reaction, and Leon's comment about 'weird rumours', says it all. There is also a cutscene where Chaltier asks if they could do anything to help Johnny, and Leon acts very upset at the prospect of giving up Chaltier, that could be interpreted this way.
9	* CompleteMonster: [[ManipulativeBastard Kronos]] (known as Miktran in Japan), the millennia-old King of the Aetherians, is a [[FantasticRacism racist]] who uses his people's well-being as an excuse to [[FinalSolution commit genocide]] against the populace of the Earth, known as the Er'thers. When the Er'thers tried to kill him, he killed one of them and overwrote their Swordian's personality in order to remain alive. Once he's [[SealedEvilInACan unearthed a thousand years later]], he possesses [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Hugo Gilchrist]], making him kill his wife and abuse his son for 16 years and nearly causing several world wars to erupt as a means to gain the Eye of Atamoni. Though he uses the well-being of the Aetherians as an excuse to laser the Earth both before and after his "death" and to kill hundreds of people, he has no true care for his people, as shown by him ignoring the descendants of the Aetherians living in the wasteland of Calvalese. A cruel and petty man, he takes amusement from the suffering about others and will stop at nothing to revive his kingdom.
10	* DieForOurShip: Shares a page with the rest of the franchise [[DieForOurShip/TalesSeries here]].
11	* DisappointingLastLevel: [[spoiler: After Dycroft is activated and you finally get to go up to the Aethersphere to save the world, you're treated to... a barren new world map littered with a handful of identical pyramids that must be completed in a gauntlet of tedious, confusing, nearly identical multi-level mazes, all with that fun high encounter rate. With little plot development. Yay.]]
12	* DracoInLeatherPants: A hotly-contested example in Leon: it's unanimous that he's a [[{{Jerkass}} complete dick]] with sympathetic reasons for what he's doing, but fans are divided on just how many squishy points this gets him.
13	* EnsembleDarkhorse:
14	** Kongman is a rather hilarious example, actually. He's a very minor optional character in the original, but his portrayal in the remake vaulted him into popularity to the point where he personality was more developed in the remake. People love to hate him, and Namco's bonus DVD's waste ''no'' effort in ripping the piss out of him.
15	** Lilith's quite popular, considering she's a minor character. May be because she is an AscendedGlitch.
16	** The [[BreakoutMookCharacter pink-haired enemy Priest]], for her ''very'' [[MsFanservice fanservicey design]] in the remake; she's got quite a lot of (mostly erotic) fanart. She was present in the original game too, but everyone there is super-deformed so there wasn't too much to show.
17	** The [[BreakoutMookCharacter High Priest]] from the remake too, for similar reasons as the Priest. Also for her striking resemblance to [[VisualNovel/PrincessLover Sylvia van Hossen]] and [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Artoria Pendragon]].
18	* EpilepticTrees: After the remake made Johnny Chaltier's intended owner before he was stolen by Hugo, many fans believe Johnny could hear the Swordians and was merely pretending not to befitting his ObfuscatingStupidity.
19	* FanNickname: Miktran's second form from the original game is sometimes jokingly called "Chiba Prefecture" and "Chicken Wing" because of its ridiculous design. The English fandom usually calls it the "GIANT STEAK".
20	* FanonDiscontinuity: The localized names for Woodrow[[note]]Garr[[/note]], Johnny[[note]]Karyl[[/note]], Miktran[[note]]Kronos[[/note]] and Kongman[[note]]Bruiser Kang[[/note]] are completely ignored by fans, who exclusively use their Japanese names.
21	* FanPreferredCouple: [[HoYay Stahn/Leon]] is far more popular than Stahn/Rutee, the OfficialCouple, in part because of just how popular Leon is as a character, and the plot added in the [[UpdatedReRelease remake]] concerning [[AllLovingHero Stahn]]'s attempts at befriending [[DefrostingIceKing Leon]] despite the latter's [[IneffectualLoner insistence against this]]. It's eventually revealed that Leon did consider Stahn something like a friend.
22	* GameBreaker: Leon is arguably the strongest character in the [=ToD=] remake. He may have [[GlassCannon crappy defense]] and [[FragileSpeedster low HP]], but once powered up, he can kill things before they even have a chance to lay a finger on him. Let's see...
23	** Combine Chaltier with his Chaser ability that grants extra CC points, and if you get critical damage, you can kill any normal monster with a single combo. Oh, and Leon has the highest critical damage rate.
24	** Gen'eijin is more spammable than spam itself.
25	** Then there's "Marian...". Sword Artes typically hit nearby enemies or far away ones. With this one you can hit enemies that are close ''and'' far away by creating a damaging force field ''and'' firing a SwordBeam. Oh, and by the way, Leon is immune to damage while he's using it.
26	** Arte extensions. You know how a character can normally only have 4 artes equipped at once? Yeah, about that...
27	** Demon Lance Zero is also more spammable than spam itself. It also doubles as a self buff that gives 5 Penetrate with each use (can't be staggered for the next 5 hits).
28	** But [[spoiler: he dies]] long before we even get to the BigBad! How do we fix this? That's where the Narikiri Dolls come in, a set of items that allow you to give any character the skills, balance, and sprite of any of their teammates. Though you can't get them until very late in the game, Leon's is the cheapest, and you can get multiples of each doll. [[GameBreaker Which means you can have a battle party of 4 Leons. Have fun.]]
29	** For a change of pace, how about Johnny/Karyl's ultra-cheap Maware Rondo? Maware Rondo is a multi-hit move that moves in an upward spiral and hits enemies in an upward direction, essentially making it combo with itself as long as you have CC left to use it. Enemies are always staggered by this, allowing you to loop them without fail. It it such a powerful move that in the Director's Cut, even trying to use the move once during the Miktran Excessive fight will get countered by a Hi-Ougi.
30	* HoYay: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HoYay/TalesSeries See this page.]]
31	* IKnewIt: [[spoiler:Leon and Rutee are siblings!]]
32	* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:Leon betrays the party and dies.]]
33	* JerkassWoobie: Leon. The abuse he went through wasn't at all justified. The {{Jerkass}} part of his character was toned down substantially in the remake, making him come across as more of a straight [[TheWoobie woobie]] there.
34	* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Again, Leon. As the fan favourite, he's been paired with everyone. Marian, Stahn, [[ShipMates Philia]], [[CargoShip Chaltier]], [[BrotherSisterIncest Rutee]], [[ParentalIncest Hu]][[MemeticMolester go]], [[spoiler: [[ScrewYourself Judas]]]], [[CrackPairing Lilith]], sometimes even [[CrossoverShip Yuri]]. Oddly, [[spoiler: Judas]] is rarely shipped with anyone besides Harold or Philia.
35	* MemeticBadass: Leon. He's snarky, very handsome and extremely powerful with an awesome flashy move set [[spoiler:and was TooCoolToLive]]. It was bound to happen.
36	* MemeticMolester:
37	** Hugo is quite possibly the single best example in the series, no thanks to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJVtcQoIssM this bit of]] MemeticMutation. Becomes a subtle AscendedMeme in the remake when he gives Leon a mushroom known to resemble certain anatomy just to make Leon uncomfortable. [[spoiler:Another part of this status can also apply to Miktran himself due to him being the one who was manipulating and possessing Hugo]].
38	** Kongman also got a ''very'' creepy moment in a bonus skit on DVD, buying a knockoff Philia Swordian and stating she was going to be his forever. The sword looks ''terrified''.
39	* MemeticMutation: Miktran/Kronos's original final form is a '''''GIANT STEAK!'''''
40	** [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks His remake one is an]] EldritchAbomination.
41	* MoralEventHorizon: Go [[MoralEventHorizon/TalesSeries here]].
42	* ObviousJudas:
43	** While the twist that Leon betrayed the party was shocking at the time, [[OnceOriginalNowCommon it's blatantly obvious now]] that the ''Tales'' formula has become established that Leon is going to be the game's traitor. He's constantly sour and unpleasant about working with the party and flat-out tells Stahn he's not his friend in the original PSX game.
44	** In the [=PS2=] remake, it's made obvious that Hugo is a smarmy JerkAss ready to betray the King of Seinegald, complete with his redesign for the game sporting FourEyesZeroSoul, a BeardOfEvil, and a SlasherSmile, yet it's a shocking twist in-universe when he has Leon steal the Eye of Atamoni.
45	* OnceOriginalNowCommon: This is the first ''Tales'' games to feature a major character betraying the party and dying for it. At the time this was a shocking twist that skyrocketed Leon Magnus to popularity, but since then nearly every ''Tales'' game has felt the need to add a traitor character to the party, leaving the twist these days feeling [[ObviousJudas pretty blatantly obvious]] and overdone.
46	* TheScrappy: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TheScrappy/TalesSeries See this page.]]
47	* SequelDifficultySpike: Well, more like [[VideoGameRemake Remake]] Difficulty Spike. The original ''Tales of Destiny'' is a fairly standard difficulty curve throughout most of the game. ''Director's Cut'' seems to be the same and offers you GameBreaker a-plenty. Then you hit the last quarter of the game and puzzles become [[GuideDangIt ridiculously complex]], enemy damage and HP soars through the roof, and the endgame becomes one of the hardest for a standard difficulty setting in the ''entire mainline series''. The game was made for those familiar with the series and especially the original, and takes the opportunity to kick your legs in for it hard.
48	* SoBadItsGood: The remixed track [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=482h_vwdKtE Relentless Assault]] for the remake.
49	* StrangledByTheRedString: Stahn and Rutee in the original game. While Rutee's crush on Stahn is established somewhat early on, Stahn shows no interest in her romantically at all, instead going on a date with Ilene Rembrandt and seemingly being genuinely happy with her before they have to part. Stahn and Rutee's most important late game conversation shows the pair's relationship at its lowest point yet after Rutee [[spoiler:says Ilene deserved to kill herself,]] earning a WhatTheHellHero speech from Stahn. They never truly make up from this fight and yet the sequel has the two HappilyMarried with no further explanation. Even worse, it was possible for Stahn to have romantic moments with both Philia and Mary in the original game (as well as the HoYay between him and Leon), making his ending up with Rutee even more confusing to audiences.
50	* UnintentionallySympathetic: In the original PSX version, Leon Magnus was supposed to be a {{Jerkass}} with a deserved death. However, much of his jerkass behavior involved [[TakeThatScrappy picking on]] TheScrappy [[AssholeVictim of the game]], he had a pretty depressing backstory that made him come off as more of a JerkassWoobie with a FreudianExcuse, and he was quite attractive, which made him into a DracoInLeatherPants. Namco took notice and not only [[spoiler:gave him a larger role in the sequel]], but rewrote him into less of a jerk. Surprisingly, it worked wonders, as Leon became legitimately sympathetic and a much more likable character because of that without losing his cold attitude. [[spoiler:Though he's still not spared from his canon death]].
51	%%* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler:Leon.]]

Context YMMV / TalesOfDestiny