History YMMV / SuperSmashBros

17th Sep '16 2:51:32 PM MyFinalEdits
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** Certain franchises getting [[SpotLightStealingSquad more attention then others]] such as Kirby, Fire Emblem, and Kid Icarus tend to be a sourspot for some fans and in some cases are viewed as a sign of CreatorsPet. However when a franchise is introduced in a major way it's usually introduced in a downplayed manner and then expanded on in future titles, for example until ''Brawl'' only Kirby was a playable character and [[TierInducedScrappy is arguably the worst character in Melee]], Fire Emblem had only two characters in both ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'' and even lacked a stage for the former, and Kid Icarus only had Pit in ''Brawl'' with it bordering on InNameOnly due to the large amount of liberties taken. In fact the reason why the Kirby series was downplayed in the first place was due to '''avoiding''' CreatorsPet status, despite being at the time Sakurai's franchise.

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** Certain franchises getting [[SpotLightStealingSquad more attention then others]] such as Kirby, Fire Emblem, and Kid Icarus tend to be a sourspot for some fans and in some cases are viewed as a sign of CreatorsPet. However when a franchise is introduced in a major way it's usually introduced in a downplayed manner and then expanded on in future titles, for example until ''Brawl'' only Kirby was a playable character and [[TierInducedScrappy is arguably the worst character in Melee]], character, Fire Emblem had only two characters in both ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'' and even lacked a stage for the former, and Kid Icarus only had Pit in ''Brawl'' with it bordering on InNameOnly due to the large amount of liberties taken. In fact the reason why the Kirby series was downplayed in the first place was due to '''avoiding''' CreatorsPet status, despite being at the time Sakurai's franchise.
17th Sep '16 4:53:46 AM FlareHabanero
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** Certain franchises getting [[SpotLightStealingSquad more attention then others]] such as Kirby, Fire Emblem, and Kid Icarus tend to be a sourspot for some fans and in some cases are viewed as a sign of CreatorsPet. However when a franchise is introduced in a major way it's usually introduced in a downplayed manner and then expanded on in future titles, for example until ''Brawl'' only Kirby was a playable character and [[TierInducedScrappy is arguably the worst character in Melee]], Fire Emblem had only two characters in both ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'' and even lacked a stage for the former, and Kid Icarus only had Pit in ''Brawl'' with it bordering on InNameOnly due to the large amount of liberties taken. In fact the reason why the Kirby series was downplayed in the first place was due to '''avoiding''' CreatorsPet status, despite being at the time Sakurai's franchise.
11th Sep '16 6:10:34 PM Josef5678
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: ''Melee'', ''Wii U/3DS'', and to a lesser extent ''Brawl'' tend to get criticisms for [[MovesetClone Moveset Clones]] being added to the rosters as padding. Clones have technically been around since the first game, with Luigi and Jigglypuff sharing a lot of moves with Mario and Kirby respectively. Some characters such as Samus and Captain Falcon also downplay it by sharing at least one or two attacks. This could be excused back then since the first game was essentially treated as a side project with minimal budget, but for later games with noticeably higher production values, it sticks out a lot more.

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''Melee'', ''Wii U/3DS'', and to a lesser extent ''Brawl'' tend to get criticisms for [[MovesetClone Moveset Clones]] being added to the rosters as padding. Clones have technically been around since the first game, with Luigi and Jigglypuff sharing a lot of moves with Mario and Kirby respectively. Some characters such as Samus and Captain Falcon also downplay it by sharing at least one or two attacks. This could be excused back then since the first game was essentially treated as a side project with minimal budget, but for later games with noticeably higher production values, it sticks out a lot more.
11th Sep '16 6:16:04 AM FlareHabanero
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: ''Melee'', ''Wii U/3DS'', and to a lesser extent ''Brawl'' tend to get criticisms for [[MovesetClone Moveset Clones]] being added to the rosters as padding. Clones have technically been around since the first game, with Luigi and Jigglypuff sharing a lot of moves with Mario and Kirby respectively. Some characters such as Samus and Captain Falcon also downplay it by sharing at least one or two attacks. This could be excused back then since the first game was essentially treated as a side project with minimal budget, but for later games with noticeably higher production values, it sticks out a lot more.
**Counters in ''Wii U/3DS'' are often hated by people due to a combination of being unoriginal and sometimes being a case of ThatOneAttack for specific ones like Shulk's Vision, Bayonetta's Witch Time, and Corrin's Counter Surge. Counters have been a concept since ''Melee'', the difference is that there were only three characters on the roster with a type of counter, compared to the (technically) sixteen/fifteen counters different characters can potentially have including custom moves. Also they lacked the raw power like several of the ones in ''Wii U/3DS'' have, making them purely a "keep away" option in certain situations.
9th Sep '16 10:52:49 AM LiquidShaman
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* SoCoolItsAwesome: The series as a whole, especially starting from Melee, which may be the most beloved title in the entire series.
8th Sep '16 8:56:19 AM infernape612
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** The fourth game suffers more from this than previous entries. In North America, it has an E10+ rating rather than its predecessors' T for Teen (possibly for the sake of Amiibo marketing). This, along with its brighter and more colorful palette as opposed to Brawl's comparative use of RealIsBrown (and the absence of [[Franchise/MetalGear Solid Snake]]) leads quite a few people (both fans and non-fans) to label ''Smash 4'' as a "kids' game". This seems to have ended after all the game's DLC characters were revealed; except for Mewtwo and possibly Lucas, most of them are from series that skew more towards older fans, particularly the third-party characters (''especially'' the M-rated VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}) despite Snake not returning. Even Mewtwo & Lucas' presence could partially be directed at older fans, as Mewtwo is highly popular among fans of the [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue first generation of Pokémon games]] and is based on the Mewtwo from ''Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie'' who hasn't reappeared in years, and ''VideoGame/{{Mother3}}'' was only released in Japan over a decade ago, making Lucas one of the most obscure characters in ''Smash'' and therefore mostly unrecognizable among younger players.

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** The fourth game suffers more from this than previous entries. In North America, it has an E10+ rating rather than its predecessors' T for Teen (possibly for the sake of Amiibo marketing). This, along with its brighter and more colorful palette as opposed to Brawl's comparative use of RealIsBrown (and the absence of [[Franchise/MetalGear Solid Snake]]) leads quite a few people (both fans and non-fans) to label ''Smash 4'' as a "kids' game". This seems to have ended after all the game's DLC characters were revealed; except for Mewtwo and possibly Lucas, most of them are from series that skew more towards older fans, particularly the third-party characters (''especially'' the M-rated VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}) despite Snake not returning. Even Mewtwo & Lucas' presence could partially be directed at older fans, as Mewtwo is highly popular among fans of the [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue first generation of Pokémon games]] and is based on the Mewtwo from ''Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie'' who hasn't reappeared in years, and ''VideoGame/{{Mother3}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}'' was only released in Japan over a decade ago, making Lucas one of the most obscure characters in ''Smash'' and therefore mostly unrecognizable among younger players.
8th Sep '16 8:28:28 AM technickal
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** Playable characters in the roster - such as Mario, Link, Captain Falcon or Cloud - can turn some people off due to their popularity and end up being slapped with the "overrated" label.* InkStainAdaptation: Dark Pit's and Lucina's inclusion as very controversial {{Moveset Clone}}s has somewhat damaged their overall reputations as characters, even if ''Smash'' helped bring them to a wider audience. This is especially notable in Lucina's case, in that she was one of the most-loved characters among the ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' fanbase before her inclusion in ''Smash''; while she still is, she has become more of a divisive character than she was before her inclusion. Ganondorf also suffers from this to an extent, at least to people unfamiliar with the ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZelda Zelda]]'' series.

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** Playable characters in the roster - such as Mario, Link, Captain Falcon or Cloud - can turn some people off due to their popularity and end up being slapped with the "overrated" label.label.
* InkStainAdaptation: Dark Pit's and Lucina's inclusion as very controversial {{Moveset Clone}}s has somewhat damaged their overall reputations as characters, even if ''Smash'' helped bring them to a wider audience. This is especially notable in Lucina's case, in that she was one of the most-loved characters among the ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' fanbase before her inclusion in ''Smash''; while she still is, she has become more of a divisive character than she was before her inclusion. Ganondorf also suffers from this to an extent, at least to people unfamiliar with the ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZelda Zelda]]'' series.
30th Aug '16 3:49:33 PM N8han11
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** Playable characters in the roster - such as Mario, Link, Captain Falcon or Cloud - can turn some people off due to their popularity and end up being slapped with the "overrated" label.
* HypocriticalFandom: Ganondorf is often derided for having a moveset that isn't faithful to his portrayal in the ''Zelda'' series and for being a MovesetClone of an unrelated character despite [[OlderThanTheyThink using hand-to-hand moves]] in his home series and receiving an animation overhaul in ''Brawl'' to more properly represent said moves. The common reason given for this is that Ganondorf's use of magical projectiles and bladed weapons are iconic of the character by virtue of him using them more frequently than hand-to-hand moves. On the other hand, other characters that lack certain "iconic" weapons or abilities are glossed over. Mario for instance neither has his GoombaStomp nor his hammer despite using the latter for melee combat in more games than his ''VideoGame/SuperMario64''-based brawling. Ness, despite normally using a bat for normal attacks in ''VideoGame/EarthBound'', only uses his bat in ''Smash'' for one move. Neither of these characters get singled out for lacking commonly used attacks like Ganondorf does. Also, the most commonly cited specials Ganondorf needs include an EnergyBall, an AttackReflector, and a [[{{Teleportation}} Teleport]], which would make him a semi-clone of Mewtwo instead.
* InkStainAdaptation: Dark Pit's and Lucina's inclusion as very controversial {{Moveset Clone}}s has somewhat damaged their overall reputations as characters, even if ''Smash'' helped bring them to a wider audience. This is especially notable in Lucina's case, in that she was one of the most-loved characters among the ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' fanbase before her inclusion in ''Smash''; while she still is, she has become more of a divisive character than she was before her inclusion. Ganondorf also suffers from this to an extent, at least to people unfamiliar with the ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZelda Zelda]]'' series.

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** Playable characters in the roster - such as Mario, Link, Captain Falcon or Cloud - can turn some people off due to their popularity and end up being slapped with the "overrated" label.
* HypocriticalFandom: Ganondorf is often derided for having a moveset that isn't faithful to his portrayal in the ''Zelda'' series and for being a MovesetClone of an unrelated character despite [[OlderThanTheyThink using hand-to-hand moves]] in his home series and receiving an animation overhaul in ''Brawl'' to more properly represent said moves. The common reason given for this is that Ganondorf's use of magical projectiles and bladed weapons are iconic of the character by virtue of him using them more frequently than hand-to-hand moves. On the other hand, other characters that lack certain "iconic" weapons or abilities are glossed over. Mario for instance neither has his GoombaStomp nor his hammer despite using the latter for melee combat in more games than his ''VideoGame/SuperMario64''-based brawling. Ness, despite normally using a bat for normal attacks in ''VideoGame/EarthBound'', only uses his bat in ''Smash'' for one move. Neither of these characters get singled out for lacking commonly used attacks like Ganondorf does. Also, the most commonly cited specials Ganondorf needs include an EnergyBall, an AttackReflector, and a [[{{Teleportation}} Teleport]], which would make him a semi-clone of Mewtwo instead.
label.* InkStainAdaptation: Dark Pit's and Lucina's inclusion as very controversial {{Moveset Clone}}s has somewhat damaged their overall reputations as characters, even if ''Smash'' helped bring them to a wider audience. This is especially notable in Lucina's case, in that she was one of the most-loved characters among the ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' fanbase before her inclusion in ''Smash''; while she still is, she has become more of a divisive character than she was before her inclusion. Ganondorf also suffers from this to an extent, at least to people unfamiliar with the ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZelda Zelda]]'' series.
30th Aug '16 3:13:30 PM WaxingName
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* HypocriticalFandom: Ganondorf is often derided for having a moveset that isn't faithful to his portrayal in the ''Zelda'' series and for being a MovesetClone of an unrelated character despite [[OlderThanTheyThink using hand-to-hand moves]] in his home series and receiving an animation overhaul in ''Brawl'' to more properly represent said moves. The common reason given for this is that Ganondorf's use of magical projectiles and bladed weapons are iconic of the character by virtue of him using them more frequently than hand-to-hand moves. On the other hand, other characters that lack certain "iconic" weapons or abilities are glossed over. Mario for instance neither has his GoombaStomp nor his hammer despite using the latter for melee combat in more games than his ''VideoGame/SuperMario64''-based brawling. Ness, despite normally using a bat for normal attacks in ''VideoGame/EarthBound'', only uses his bat in ''Smash'' for one move. Neither of these characters get singled out for lacking commonly used attacks like Ganondorf does. Also, the most commonly cited specials Ganondorf needs include an EnergyBall, an AttackReflector, and a [[{{Teleportation}} Teleport]], which would make him a semi-clone of Mewtwo instead.
30th Aug '16 1:11:47 PM Josef5678
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* EightPointEight:
** IGN giving the Nintendo 3DS version an 8.8 caused some anger, especially since one of the negative points was the hyped-up Smash Run mode.
** [=GamesRadar=] got flack for giving the 3DS version 3 out of 5 stars, as their main complaints were about the online mode, which no other reviewer has had much issue with aside from occasional lag, and Solo Mode, also something no one's really griped about.



* DoubleStandard: Ganondorf is often derided for having a moveset that isn't faithful to his portrayal in the ''Zelda'' series and for being a MovesetClone of an unrelated character despite [[OlderThanTheyThink using hand-to-hand moves]] in his home series and receiving an animation overhaul in ''Brawl'' to more properly represent said moves. The common reason given for this is that Ganondorf's use of magical projectiles and bladed weapons are iconic of the character by virtue of him using them more frequently than hand-to-hand moves. On the other hand, other characters that lack certain "iconic" weapons or abilities are glossed over. Mario for instance neither has his GoombaStomp nor his hammer despite using the latter for melee combat in more games than his ''VideoGame/SuperMario64''-based brawling. Ness, despite normally using a bat for normal attacks in ''VideoGame/EarthBound'', only uses his bat in ''Smash'' for one move. Neither of these characters get singled out for lacking commonly used attacks like Ganondorf does. Also, the most commonly cited specials Ganondorf needs include an EnergyBall, an AttackReflector, and a [[{{Teleportation}} Teleport]], which would make him a semi-clone of Mewtwo instead.
* EightPointEight:
** IGN giving the Nintendo 3DS version an 8.8 caused some anger, especially since one of the negative points was the hyped-up Smash Run mode.
** [=GamesRadar=] got flack for giving the 3DS version 3 out of 5 stars, as their main complaints were about the online mode, which no other reviewer has had much issue with aside from occasional lag, and Solo Mode, also something no one's really griped about.
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