History YMMV / SuperSmashBros

9th Nov '17 9:12:16 AM Chasem
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** Due to bandwagoning and overzealous attitudes, overly popular flavor-of-the-month character addition requests can end up turning people off, especially if they end up developing a FandomRivalry with other character requests or confirmed characters.
9th Nov '17 9:08:34 AM Chasem
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** Both [[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight Marth]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBindingBlade Roy]] are seen in a much different light by fans who first knew them from Smash as opposed to their actual game appearances. WideEyedIdealist Marth becomes [[CampStraight an arrogant pretty-boy]], and the gentle, reserved, and highly intelligent Roy is seen as HotBlooded, often to the point of obnoxiousness, and a cocky IdiotHero. [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Ike]] often gets this as well, going from a humble but snarky, very calm, non-judgemental effective leader of average to above average intelligence to a cocky DumbMuscle.

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** Both [[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight Marth]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBindingBlade Roy]] are seen in a much different light by fans who first knew them from Smash as opposed to their actual game appearances. WideEyedIdealist Marth becomes [[CampStraight an arrogant pretty-boy]], and the gentle, reserved, and highly intelligent Roy is seen as HotBlooded, often to the point of obnoxiousness, and a cocky IdiotHero. [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Ike]] often gets this as well, going from a humble but snarky, very calm, non-judgemental effective leader of average to above average intelligence to a cocky DumbMuscle. In the same vein, Marth was often portrayed as homosexual due to his [[{{Bishonen}} femininity]], while Ike was often seen as clearly heterosexual due to his [[RatedMForManly manliness]]; in reality, Marth has a canon wife and Ike has HoYay subtext with several male characters in his games, and such portrayals have died down as societal views have changed and sexuality has become less inherently tied to archetypical gender traits.



* ViewerGenderConfusion: Mewtwo looks female during its Final Smash, at least in terms of voice/personality rather than biological sex (as Mewtwo is genderless). Mega Mewtwo Y is notably smaller, more graceful and more feminine than both of Mewtwo's other forms (including its default playable form), and was in fact first seen as a transformation for a separate female-voiced Mewtwo in ''Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened''.

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* ViewerGenderConfusion: Mewtwo looks female during its Final Smash, at least in terms of voice/personality rather than biological sex (as While Mewtwo is genderless). genderless, there were two separate masculine and feminine Mewtwo characters in the ''Pokémon'' anime. Due to the fact that the small, lithe Mega Mewtwo Y is notably smaller, more graceful and more feminine than both of Mewtwo's other forms (including its default playable form), and was in fact first seen as a transformation for a separate female-voiced heavily associated with the latter when the Mewtwo in ''Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened''.DLC was first released, some people were confused as to why the "manly" Mewtwo had a "feminine" Final Smash form.
4th Nov '17 5:36:55 PM HyperKunoichi
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** Ike/Marth and Marth/Roy are extremely popular among yaoi shippers, to the point they have become notorious for their popularity, not helped by the fact Marth is one of the few Smash Bros. characters to have a canonical wife. They seem to have started from limited ''Fire Emblem'' knowledge, especially during the ''Melee'' era, leading to the belief that they come from the same universe. In actuality [[NonLinearSequel they all come from completely different continents with no connection whatsoever]].

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** Ike/Marth and Marth/Roy are extremely popular among yaoi shippers, to the point they have become notorious for their popularity, not helped by the fact Marth is one of the few Smash Bros. characters to have a canonical wife. They seem to have started from limited ''Fire Emblem'' knowledge, especially during the ''Melee'' era, leading to the belief that they come from the same universe. In actuality [[NonLinearSequel they all come from completely different continents with no connection whatsoever]].shippers.
4th Nov '17 5:35:13 PM HyperKunoichi
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** Lucina/Palutena became quite popular among {{Yuri Fan}}s, due in large part to a [[http://www.smashbros.com/images/character/lucina/screen-8.jpg somewhat suggestive image]] posted on Lucina's page from the official site; some of them even attest ([[PoesLaw however sincerely]]) [[{{Fanon}} that it's canon]] and that Sakurai himself ships the characters due to said screenshot. Despite this, the ship became popular enough to cause some BrokenBase outside of the yuri demographic, mostly [[HypeBacklash due to how frequently and widely it's mentioned]] despite the lack of context apart from the image, and among those who believe a lesbian relationship is OutOfCharacter for the apparently straight Lucina[[note]]she has tons of male marriage options in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' and only has a few throwaway ShipTease moments with female characters, particularly compared to characters that are clearly bisexual such as Tharja but can only marry the opposite gender due to mechanics[[/note]] - especially since at least some "Palucina" supporters [[{{Fanon}} use sparse evidence]] [[ShippingGoggles to claim that Lucina may be canonically bisexual]].[[note]]Although some give Palutena a free pass, since she has no canon love interests and Greek gods [[AnythingThatMoves tend to be omnisexual]].[[/note]]

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** Lucina/Palutena became quite popular among {{Yuri Fan}}s, due in large part to a [[http://www.smashbros.com/images/character/lucina/screen-8.jpg somewhat suggestive image]] posted on Lucina's page from the official site; some of them even attest ([[PoesLaw however sincerely]]) [[{{Fanon}} that it's canon]] and that Sakurai himself ships the characters due to said screenshot. Despite this, the ship became popular enough to cause some BrokenBase outside of the yuri demographic, mostly [[HypeBacklash due to how frequently and widely it's mentioned]] despite the lack of context apart from the image, and among those who believe a lesbian relationship is OutOfCharacter for the apparently straight Lucina[[note]]she has tons of male marriage options in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' and only has a few throwaway ShipTease moments with female characters, particularly compared to characters that are clearly bisexual such as Tharja but can only marry the opposite gender due to mechanics[[/note]] - especially since at least some "Palucina" supporters [[{{Fanon}} use sparse evidence]] [[ShippingGoggles to claim that Lucina may be canonically bisexual]].[[note]]Although some give Palutena a free pass, since she has no canon love interests and Greek gods [[AnythingThatMoves tend to be omnisexual]].[[/note]] site.
12th Oct '17 11:08:13 AM flameclaw0x7
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** The series itself runs on this. Many players initially got into ''Smash Bros.'' not for the actual gameplay, but because it's a MassiveMultiplayerCrossover of Nintendo characters.

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** The series itself runs on this. Many players initially got into ''Smash Bros.'' not for the actual gameplay, but because it's a MassiveMultiplayerCrossover of their favourite Nintendo characters.



** All-Star mode in ''3DS/Wii U'' have a few attacks that stand out as frequent sources of Game Overs. Charizard's Flare Blitz has high knockback and can come from far away, and its CastFromHitPoints property doesn't mitigate much in this mode. Ness's PK Flash can easily end a run unless it's looked out for. Dedede's Gordos are fast, long range, and dangerous if not hit back at him, and he loves using them in All-Star. Projectiles in general, in fact, are utter hell, as unlike your foes' melee attacks, ''they are not nerfed''. This extends to anything the game ''considers'' to be a projectile, like Villager's Forward Smash, '''all of Olimar's attacks that involve Pikmin''' and surprisingly Ness's Yo-Yo. Each version also has a couple of stage hazards that are tricky to avoid and deliver high knockback should the stage be selected; The Wii U's F-Zero racers may be the worst in that regard. Fortunately, the moves that ''would'' be the worst, such as Little Mac's Knockout Punch, have their knockback removed in All-Star. But of course, Mega Man's Mega Burst Charge Shot (his forward smash) is indeed a powerful contender for this spot since it's fast and doesn't even need charging up due to all the damage you may have racked up.

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** All-Star mode in ''3DS/Wii U'' have a few attacks that stand out as frequent sources of Game Overs. Charizard's Flare Blitz has high knockback and can come from far away, and its CastFromHitPoints property doesn't mitigate much in this mode. Ness's PK Flash can easily end a run unless it's looked out for. Dedede's Gordos are fast, long range, and dangerous if not hit back at him, and he loves using them in All-Star. Projectiles in general, in fact, are utter hell, as unlike your foes' melee attacks, ''they are not nerfed''. This extends to anything the game ''considers'' to be a projectile, like Villager's Forward Smash, '''all of Olimar's attacks that involve Pikmin''' and surprisingly Ness's Yo-Yo. Each version also has a couple of stage hazards that are tricky to avoid and deliver high knockback should the stage be selected; The Wii U's F-Zero racers may be the worst in that regard. Fortunately, the moves that ''would'' be the worst, such as Little Mac's Knockout Punch, have their knockback removed in All-Star. But of course, Mega Man's Mega Burst Charge Shot (his forward smash) is indeed a powerful contender for this spot since it's fast and fast, doesn't even need charging up due to all the damage you may have racked up.up, and is a projectile so it doesn't have the melee damage reduction.
8th Oct '17 10:06:45 AM Josef5678
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** [[VideoGame/KidIcarus Pit's]] ''Brawl'' incarnation was often portrayed in Fanfiction as a pure, submissive, weak, kind, holy and innocent being (in other words, like one of the common stereotypes of angels.) To be fair, this was before ''Uprising'' was released and developed his personalty, and ''Brawl'' gave few hints of his or any other of it's characters personalities. All the fandom that payed attention knew of Pit at the time was the implication that he was overconfident or possibly even arrogant, and a hidden conversation Snake has with Otacon that says he's far stronger and [[Really700YearsOld older]] than he looks.

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** [[VideoGame/KidIcarus Pit's]] ''Brawl'' incarnation was often portrayed in Fanfiction fanfiction as a pure, submissive, weak, kind, holy and innocent being (in other words, like one of the common stereotypes of angels.) To be fair, this was before ''Uprising'' was released and developed his personalty, and ''Brawl'' gave few hints of his or any other of it's its characters personalities. All the fandom that payed attention knew of Pit at the time was the implication that he was overconfident or possibly even arrogant, and a hidden conversation Snake has with Otacon that says he's far stronger and [[Really700YearsOld older]] than he looks.
5th Oct '17 10:31:58 PM Everdream
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** [[VideoGame/KidIcarus Pit's]] ''Brawl'' incarnation was often portrayed in Fanfiction as a pure, submissive, weak, kind, holy and innocent being (in other words, like one of the common stereotypes of angels.) To be fair, this was before ''Uprising'' was released and developed his personalty, and ''Brawl'' gave few hints of his or any other of it's characters personalities. All the fandom that payed attention knew of Pit at the time was the implication that he was overconfident or possibly even arrogant, and a hidden conversation Snake has with Otacon that says he's far stronger and [[Really700YearsOld older]] than he looks.
5th Oct '17 9:26:24 AM KSoniK
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** ''Melee'', ''Wii U/3DS'', and to a lesser extent ''Brawl'' tend to get criticisms for [[MovesetClone Moveset Clones]] being added to the rosters as padding. Clones have technically been around since the first game, with Luigi and Jigglypuff sharing a lot of moves with Mario and Kirby respectively. Some characters such as Samus and Captain Falcon also downplay it by sharing at least one or two attacks. This could be excused back then since the first game was essentially treated as a side project with minimal budget, but for later games with noticeably higher production values, it sticks out a lot more.
26th Sep '17 10:23:19 AM Peridonyx
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** Metal Mario and Metal Luigi's EpicFail-like entrance [[note]]Falling headfirst from the sky, then tipping over like dominoes.[[/note]] in ''Melee'''s Adventure mode. While that wouldn't be out of character for regular Mario and regular Luigi, these Metal counterparts are supposed to be DarkerAndEdgier [[ImplacableMan Implacable Men]].
24th Sep '17 5:27:53 PM nombretomado
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** Combined with JustHereForGodzilla and ComeForTheXStayForTheY. A few players come for ''Mario'', ''Kirby'', and/or ''Pokémon'' characters, but they wind up staying and playing as other characters, too. They'll quickly find themselves wondering [[MarthDebutedInSmashBros who the heck this Marth guy is, why haven't they seen Lucas anywhere else and who the guys in Shulk's Final Smash are]] and go play those games and enjoy the crap out of them. In short, ''SSB'' is a giant gateway series as much as it is a hardcore series for dedicated Nintendo fans. The Assist Trophies added in ''Brawl'' further reinforce this, intended to make players ask "Who's that?" when the protagonist from a lesser-known Nintendo game drops by.

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** Combined with JustHereForGodzilla and ComeForTheXStayForTheY.JustForFun/ComeForTheXStayForTheY. A few players come for ''Mario'', ''Kirby'', and/or ''Pokémon'' characters, but they wind up staying and playing as other characters, too. They'll quickly find themselves wondering [[MarthDebutedInSmashBros who the heck this Marth guy is, why haven't they seen Lucas anywhere else and who the guys in Shulk's Final Smash are]] and go play those games and enjoy the crap out of them. In short, ''SSB'' is a giant gateway series as much as it is a hardcore series for dedicated Nintendo fans. The Assist Trophies added in ''Brawl'' further reinforce this, intended to make players ask "Who's that?" when the protagonist from a lesser-known Nintendo game drops by.
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