History YMMV / SuperSmashBros

29th Jul '17 1:48:03 PM nombretomado
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** R.O.B. was originally considered to be a rather forgettable TrojanHorse that was used to sell [[NintendoEntertainmentSystem NES]] consoles and operated quite slowly with the two games he worked with. In ''Brawl'', however, he's got a number of fans; the fact that he was the most tragic character in The Subspace Emissary probably didn't hurt. The same could apply to the Ice Climbers, whose game was also seen as forgettable.

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** R.O.B. was originally considered to be a rather forgettable TrojanHorse that was used to sell [[NintendoEntertainmentSystem [[UsefulNotes/NintendoEntertainmentSystem NES]] consoles and operated quite slowly with the two games he worked with. In ''Brawl'', however, he's got a number of fans; the fact that he was the most tragic character in The Subspace Emissary probably didn't hurt. The same could apply to the Ice Climbers, whose game was also seen as forgettable.
17th Jul '17 7:50:22 AM ImSpidey2
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* EarWorm: The Waddle Dee Army's background music. [[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=slHieHP_wSU Bu-kaa, bu-kaa, hrah hrah hrah!]]
15th Jul '17 6:07:55 PM MBG
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*** Fox's Shine in ''Melee'' gets a lot of this, with its loud abrupt BWIP comboing with it being the best move used by the best character and commonly spammed at high-level play. The [[ComplacentGamingSyndrome "20XX" joke]] gets a lot of mileage out of the idea of entering a tournament and hearing BWIPBWIPBWIPBWIPBWIPBWIP at deafening volume.
2nd Jul '17 4:10:23 PM Josef5678
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** The fourth game suffers more from this than previous entries. In North America, it has an E10+ rating rather than its predecessors' T for Teen (possibly for the sake of {{Amiibo}} marketing). This, along with its brighter and more colorful palette as opposed to Brawl's comparative use of RealIsBrown (and the absence of [[Franchise/MetalGear Solid Snake]]) leads quite a few people (both fans and non-fans) to label ''Smash 4'' as a "kids' game". This seems to have ended after all the game's DLC characters were revealed; except for Mewtwo and possibly Lucas, most of them are from series that skew more towards older fans, particularly the third-party characters (''especially'' the M-rated VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}) despite Snake not returning. Even Mewtwo & Lucas' presence could partially be directed at older fans, as Mewtwo is highly popular among fans of the [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue first generation of Pokémon games]] and is based on the Mewtwo from ''Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie'' who hasn't reappeared in years, and ''VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}'' was only released in Japan over a decade ago, making Lucas one of the most obscure characters in ''Smash'' and therefore mostly unrecognizable among younger players.

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** The fourth game suffers more from this than previous entries. In North America, it has an E10+ rating rather than its predecessors' T for Teen (possibly for the sake of {{Amiibo}} marketing). This, along with its brighter and more colorful palette as opposed to Brawl's comparative use of RealIsBrown (and the absence of [[Franchise/MetalGear Solid Snake]]) leads quite a few people (both fans and non-fans) to label ''Smash 4'' as a "kids' game". This seems to have ended after all the game's DLC characters were revealed; except for Mewtwo and possibly Lucas, most of them are from series that skew more towards older fans, particularly the third-party characters (''especially'' the M-rated VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}) despite Snake not returning. Even Mewtwo & Lucas' Lucas's presence could partially be directed at older fans, as Mewtwo is highly popular among fans of the [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue first generation of Pokémon games]] and is based on the Mewtwo from ''Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie'' who hasn't reappeared in years, and ''VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}'' was only released in Japan over a decade ago, making Lucas one of the most obscure characters in ''Smash'' and therefore mostly unrecognizable among younger players.



** Lucas' ending video shows a clip of him and Ness, where [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Ness' hands are near Lucas' crotch and Lucas seems to be struggling.]]

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** Lucas' Lucas's ending video shows a clip of him and Ness, where [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Ness' Ness's hands are near Lucas' Lucas's crotch and Lucas seems to be struggling.]]



** Ness' "Okay!" taunt, especially when taunt dashing. "OKAY!OKAY!OKAY!OKAY!OKAY!OKAY!"

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** Ness' Ness's "Okay!" taunt, especially when taunt dashing. "OKAY!OKAY!OKAY!OKAY!OKAY!OKAY!"



** All-Star mode in ''3DS/Wii U'' have a few attacks that stand out as frequent sources of Game Overs. Charizard's Flare Blitz has high knockback and can come from far away, and its CastFromHitPoints property doesn't mitigate much in this mode. Ness' PK Flash can easily end a run unless it's looked out for. Dedede's Gordos are fast, long range, and dangerous if not hit back at him, and he loves using them in All-Star. Projectiles in general, in fact, are utter hell, as unlike your foes' melee attacks, ''they are not nerfed''. This extends to anything the game ''considers'' to be a projectile, like Villager's Forward Smash, '''all of Olimar's attacks that involve Pikmin''' and surprisingly Ness' Yo-Yo. Each version also has a couple of stage hazards that are tricky to avoid and deliver high knockback should the stage be selected; The Wii U's F-Zero racers may be the worst in that regard. Fortunately, the moves that ''would'' be the worst, such as Little Mac's Knockout Punch, have their knockback removed in All-Star. But of course, Mega Man's Mega Burst Charge Shot (his forward smash) is indeed a powerful contender for this spot since it's fast and doesn't even need charging up due to all the damage you may have racked up.

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** All-Star mode in ''3DS/Wii U'' have a few attacks that stand out as frequent sources of Game Overs. Charizard's Flare Blitz has high knockback and can come from far away, and its CastFromHitPoints property doesn't mitigate much in this mode. Ness' Ness's PK Flash can easily end a run unless it's looked out for. Dedede's Gordos are fast, long range, and dangerous if not hit back at him, and he loves using them in All-Star. Projectiles in general, in fact, are utter hell, as unlike your foes' melee attacks, ''they are not nerfed''. This extends to anything the game ''considers'' to be a projectile, like Villager's Forward Smash, '''all of Olimar's attacks that involve Pikmin''' and surprisingly Ness' Ness's Yo-Yo. Each version also has a couple of stage hazards that are tricky to avoid and deliver high knockback should the stage be selected; The Wii U's F-Zero racers may be the worst in that regard. Fortunately, the moves that ''would'' be the worst, such as Little Mac's Knockout Punch, have their knockback removed in All-Star. But of course, Mega Man's Mega Burst Charge Shot (his forward smash) is indeed a powerful contender for this spot since it's fast and doesn't even need charging up due to all the damage you may have racked up.



** In the original, Captain Falcon and Ness came from out of left field; Ness primarily because few people had actually heard of him [[note]]''VideoGame/EarthBound'' was a major flop when it was first released in the US, but was VindicatedByHistory due in large part to Ness' inclusion in Smash Bros[[/note]], and Captain Falcon because he'd only been in ''racing games'' thus far. Granted, the latter was mitigated by his in-game background as a bounty hunter, but it still caught a lot of F-Zero fans off guard.

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** In the original, Captain Falcon and Ness came from out of left field; Ness primarily because few people had actually heard of him [[note]]''VideoGame/EarthBound'' was a major flop when it was first released in the US, but was VindicatedByHistory due in large part to Ness' Ness's inclusion in Smash Bros[[/note]], and Captain Falcon because he'd only been in ''racing games'' thus far. Granted, the latter was mitigated by his in-game background as a bounty hunter, but it still caught a lot of F-Zero fans off guard.
2nd Jul '17 11:51:33 AM HyperKunoichi
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** In the original, Captain Falcon and Ness came from out of left field, especially Ness.

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** In the original, Captain Falcon and Ness came from out of left field, especially Ness.field; Ness primarily because few people had actually heard of him [[note]]''VideoGame/EarthBound'' was a major flop when it was first released in the US, but was VindicatedByHistory due in large part to Ness' inclusion in Smash Bros[[/note]], and Captain Falcon because he'd only been in ''racing games'' thus far. Granted, the latter was mitigated by his in-game background as a bounty hunter, but it still caught a lot of F-Zero fans off guard.
24th Jun '17 11:56:31 AM DustSnitch
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** People were just as surprised to see Yellow Devil in the E3 2013 trailer as they were excited when they saw Mega Man. Unlike Mega Man, however, nobody expected him to be a stage boss.
24th Jun '17 11:53:08 AM DustSnitch
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*** Rosalina is also this, though to a lesser extent due to her previous playable experiences.
*** Nobody expected that Greninja would be the new Pokemon character.

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*** Since Mario had more characters than any other franchise in Smash, Rosalina is also this, though to a lesser extent due to her previous playable experiences.
was hardly expected, especially over more established characters like Daisy and Waluigi.
*** Nobody expected that Greninja would be the new Pokemon character.character, since his game wasn't out at the time Smash 4 started development.
24th Jun '17 11:24:10 AM DustSnitch
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* UnexpectedCharacter: ''Tons''. What, you thought Nintendo was just going to go for popular characters?
** In the original, Captain Falcon and Ness came from out of left field, especially Ness.
** Mr. Game & Watch, Roy[[note]]his game hadn't come out yet[[/note]] and Ice Climbers in ''Melee''. Marth also qualifies, but only for western audiences (as a ''Fire Emblem'' game had yet to leave Japan). Roy became unexpected once more when he was revealed as DLC for ''3DS/Wii U''.
** Dr. Mario, both in his debut in ''Melee'' and in his [[TheBusCameBack return]] in ''3DS/Wii U''.
** ''Nobody'' expected Snake, a third-party character, to appear in ''Brawl''. Sonic was a bit of this, but due to the introduction of the former, the surprise was diluted a bit. R.O.B. was also unexpected, albeit to a lesser extent.
** ''3DS/Wii U'' has quite a few. To wit:
*** Sakurai stated that the ''Wii Fit'' Trainer was added to ''Smash Bros. 4'' specifically for this reason. They wanted someone that absolutely '''no one''' suggested or predicted.
*** Another example can be found in Villager, especially since the ''Animal Crossing'' games were used as an example of the type of series where characters would not be added from, and that Sakurai himself once said that he didn't see any of the characters working as fighters.
*** Rosalina is also this, though to a lesser extent due to her previous playable experiences.
*** Nobody expected that Greninja would be the new Pokemon character.
*** Pac-Man was also quite unexpected, but not to the same extent. While Namco Bandai helped develop the game, Sonic and Mega Man had already been announced before Pac-Man was, leading several fans to believe that no more guest fighters would join. However, many people had long since speculated that because of Namco's involvement with helping make the game, it was inevitable that ''somebody'' from one of Namco's gaming franchises would make the cut.
*** People were expecting a representative from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' in the form of Chrom. What they ''got'', however, were '''two''' representatives: Lucina and Robin. The arrival of two newcomers in a single trailer especially caught people off-guard, as many thought that the trailer would only focus on a single new character. At the very least, Chrom shows up for Robin's Final Smash.
*** Very few if any players expected the dog and a bird from ''VideoGame/DuckHunt'' to team up together as one character.
*** Almost no one thought [[Franchise/StreetFighter Ryu]] would be DLC, especially since he's another Capcom character.
*** And then, just when everyone assumed Sakurai was out of surprises, comes ''[[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud Strife]]''. Ryu at least makes sense in hindsight; he's easily one of the most iconic fighting game characters in video games, and Capcom did have a hand in making this game. But Cloud came absolutely ''out of nowhere''.
*** Considering that Fire Emblem already had five playable characters, almost nobody thought that [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Corrin]] had a chance of getting in.
*** In terms of {{Non Playable Character}}s, [[VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry the Kremlings]] are this, appearing in the 3DS version's "Smash Run" as enemies. They've been missing in the ''Donkey Kong Country'' series ever since Creator/RetroStudios {{reviv|al}}ed it with ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountryReturns'' and ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountryTropicalFreeze''.
*** As for Assist Trophies, UsefulNotes/ColorTVGame 15 certainly qualifies as one of these, especially considering the fact that it was released in 1977, before even the first ''Game and Watch'' games were released. This makes it the oldest game to have been represented in the ''Smash'' series.
*** In a stage example, one of Pac-Man's stages is based of the relatively obscure ''Pac-Land'' game.
*** Even normal Trophies are not exempt from this trope, as the Wii U version features a trophy of Franchise/{{Rayman}}, despite the fact that {{Creator/Ubisoft}} does not have a playable representative in the game. Incidentally, Rayman's trophy is also the first reference to a series purely developed by a Western Third Party Developer. Taken further by the reveal of a [[VideoGame/BitTRIP Commander Video]] trophy, an IndieGame character.
** As far as downloadable Mii Fighter costumes go, [[VideoGame/{{Tekken}} Heihachi]], [[VideoGame/VirtuaFighter Akira and Jacky]] were unexpected additions too. While their inclusion alongside Ryu makes sense since they represent Namco and Sega's own fighting game franchises, they were nonetheless as unexpected as Ryu himself was.
** While Bayonetta was a popular suggestion, most people thought she might be considered too risque for Smash, or, given the series's AcclaimedFlop [[invoked]] status, might not be popular ''enough'' to get the ballot vote. Turns out both those thoughts were wrong (although she ''has'' been {{Bowdlerise}}d a little).
8th Jun '17 12:58:41 PM creekery
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*** In addition to this, many people often portray Ganondorf as a Captain Falcon fanboy as a reason to explain why their moves are the same.
25th May '17 3:16:27 AM Midna
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** Many players hate that Fire Emblem gets far more attention than other franchises they consider more mainstream since it took six games for one to get an English localization, and even then it's still kinda niche. However, Fire Emblem has always been a mainstream franchise in Japan, ever since the first game on the Famicom.

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** Many players hate that Fire Emblem the ''VideoGame/FireEmblem'' series gets far more attention than other franchises they consider more mainstream since it took six games for one to get an English localization, and even then it's still kinda niche. it never really left niche territory until ''Awakening'' and ''Fates'' started breaking sales records. However, Fire Emblem ''Fire Emblem'' has always been a mainstream franchise in Japan, ever since the first game on the Famicom.
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