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* PoisonOakEpilepticTrees: The theory that the ImagineSpot first ending is completely true. O secretly cared for Lado so she created a happy ending where he won and both Chon and Ben lived.

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* PoisonOakEpilepticTrees: WMG/PoisonOakEpilepticTrees: The theory that the ImagineSpot first ending is completely true. O secretly cared for Lado so she created a happy ending where he won and both Chon and Ben lived.
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* HamAndCheese: BenicioDelToro seems to be having the time of his life playing Lado. SalmaHayek and Demian Bichir also enter LargeHam territory quite a bit.

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* HamAndCheese: BenicioDelToro Creator/BenicioDelToro seems to be having the time of his life playing Lado. SalmaHayek Creator/SalmaHayek and Demian Bichir also enter LargeHam territory quite a bit.
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* RoleAssociation: Film/JohnCarter and Film/KickAss are pot growers, and their mutual girlfriend is [[GossipGirl Serena van der Woodsen]]. She is kidnapped by a drug cartel run by Kitty Softpaws, and includes [[Film/TheWolfman2010 Lawrence Talbot]] and [[{{Weeds}} Esteban Reyes]]. [[Film/PulpFiction Vincent Vega]] is a DEA agent who keeps the protagonists' business safe. The two of them are also friends with Film/SpeedRacer.
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* RoleAssociation: Film/JohnCarter and Film/KickAss are pot growers, and their mutual girlfriend is [[GossipGirl Serena van der Woodsen]]. She is kidnapped by a drug cartel run by Kitty Softpaws, and includes [[Film/TheWolfman2010 Lawrence Talbot]] and [[{{Weeds}} Esteban Reyes]]. [[PulpFiction Vincent Vega]] is a DEA agent who keeps the protagonists' business safe. The two of them are also friends with Film/SpeedRacer.

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* RoleAssociation: Film/JohnCarter and Film/KickAss are pot growers, and their mutual girlfriend is [[GossipGirl Serena van der Woodsen]]. She is kidnapped by a drug cartel run by Kitty Softpaws, and includes [[Film/TheWolfman2010 Lawrence Talbot]] and [[{{Weeds}} Esteban Reyes]]. [[PulpFiction [[Film/PulpFiction Vincent Vega]] is a DEA agent who keeps the protagonists' business safe. The two of them are also friends with Film/SpeedRacer.

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Removing Complete Monster (and all references to it) as it was not taken through the cleanup thread first (which is mandatory for all examples after the last CM TRS) and removing the HIH article since it wasn\'t an embassy that was attacked, thus subverting it.


* CompleteMonster: El Lado.

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* CompleteMonster: El Lado.%%Do not add any Complete Monster examples without taking



* HarsherInHindsight: Dennis discourages Ben & Chon from trying to go after Elena in her home because she's got "better security than the U.S. embassy"; the phrasing makes for kind of an eerie coincidence given the deadly attack on an American consulate in Libya only a couple of months later.
** Not really. US Consulates are completely different than Embassies. Embassies (in most countries) are generally heavily fortified complexes. Consulates are seldom more than an office in a office building with a couple of security people. Which was the case in Libya. And the US Embassy in Mexico (which likely was the comparison Dennis was making) is a not-very-small fortress.



** He pretty much is defined the minute he shows up as a CompleteMonster, and his entire character arc is all about his ruthlessness and hunger for power. He really doesn't have one to cross, as he's already well beyond it. That doesn't mean he isn't DangerouslyGenreSavvy, or extremely smart.
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** He pretty much is defined the minute he shows up as a CompleteMonster, and his entire character arc is all about his ruthlessness and hunger for power. He really doesn't have one to cross, as he's already well beyond it. That doesn't mean he isn't DangerouslyGenreSavvy, or extremely smart.
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** Not really. US Consulates are completely different than Embassies. Embassies (in most countries) are generally heavily fortified complexes. Consulates are seldom more than an office in a office building with a couple of security people. Which was the case in Libya. And the US Embassy in Mexico (which likely was the comparison Dennis was making) is a not-very-small fortress.
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* SatelliteLoveInterest: O could be seen as one, as she is solely defined by being Chon and Ben's girlfriend, liking shopping, and being accustomed to and demanding better food and other accommodations from her captors.
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I thought it would be worth emntioning that Ben and Chon also tend to get a little bit of criticism here and there, but clearly, O gets the most. I also removed the last line from my original entry since it wasn\'t really necessary since I\'ve already made my point clear enough without it.


* TheScrappy: O isn't very well-liked among most people for various reasons. Some have complained that her narrative segments are grating, if not unbearable, others think that she's too bland and one-dimensional to be the character that drives the plot and connects all of the others, and some can't stand her annoying demands for getting better food and accomodations from her kidnappers when she should feel grateful to even be alive in the first place (this ''is'' the Mexican Drug Cartel after all, not a group that's well-known for their hospitality). In some cases, people hate her for ALL of the above reasons.

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* TheScrappy: The protagonists have all gotten at least a little bit of flack, but O isn't very well-liked easily gets the most among most people for various reasons. Some have complained that her narrative segments are grating, if not unbearable, others think that she's too bland and one-dimensional to be the character that drives the plot and connects all of the others, and there are some who can't stand her annoying demands for getting better food and accomodations from her kidnappers when she should feel grateful to even be alive in the first place (this ''is'' the Mexican Drug Cartel after all, not a group that's well-known for their hospitality). In some cases, people hate her for ALL of the above reasons.hospitality).
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* AlternateEnding: The last ImagineSpot is a more fitting ending to the movie than the actual ending.

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* SatelliteLoveInterest: O could be seen as one, as she is solely defined by being Chon and Ben's girlfriend, liking shopping, and being accustomed to and demanding better food and other accommodations from her captors.



* ShallowLoveInterest: O could be seen as one, as she is solely defined by being Chon and Ben's girlfriend, liking shopping, and being accustomed to and demanding better food and other accommodations from her captors.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Dennis discourages Ben & Chon from trying to go after Elena in her home because she's got "better security than the U.S. embassy"; the phrasing makes for kind of an eerie coincidence given the deadly attack on an American consulate in Libya only a couple of months later.
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* RoleAssociation: Film/JohnCarter and Film/KickAss are pot growers, and their mutual girlfriend is [[GossipGirl Serena van der Woodsen]]. She is kidnapped by a drug cartel run by Kitty Softpaws, and includes [[Film/TheWolfman2010 Lawrence Talbot]] and [[{{Weeds}} Esteban Reyes]]. [[PulpFiction Vincent Vega]] is a DEA agent who keeps the protagonists' business safe. The two of them are also friends with SpeedRacer.

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* RoleAssociation: Film/JohnCarter and Film/KickAss are pot growers, and their mutual girlfriend is [[GossipGirl Serena van der Woodsen]]. She is kidnapped by a drug cartel run by Kitty Softpaws, and includes [[Film/TheWolfman2010 Lawrence Talbot]] and [[{{Weeds}} Esteban Reyes]]. [[PulpFiction Vincent Vega]] is a DEA agent who keeps the protagonists' business safe. The two of them are also friends with SpeedRacer.Film/SpeedRacer.
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* TheScrappy: O is generally not very well-liked among most people for various reasons. Some have complained that her narrative segments are grating, if not unbearable, others think that she's too bland and one-dimensional to be the character that drives the plot and connects all of the others, and some can't stand her demands for getting better food and accomodations from her kidnappers, when she should feel grateful to even be alive in the first place (this ''is'' the Mexican Drug Cartel after all, not a group that's well-known for their hospitality). In some cases, people hate her for ALL of the above reasons.

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* TheScrappy: O is generally not isn't very well-liked among most people for various reasons. Some have complained that her narrative segments are grating, if not unbearable, others think that she's too bland and one-dimensional to be the character that drives the plot and connects all of the others, and some can't stand her annoying demands for getting better food and accomodations from her kidnappers, kidnappers when she should feel grateful to even be alive in the first place (this ''is'' the Mexican Drug Cartel after all, not a group that's well-known for their hospitality). In some cases, people hate her for ALL of the above reasons.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Lado. Even most people who didn't like the movie itself have highly praised Benicio Del Toro's performance as the monstrous, but so very entertaining psychopath, labelling him as arguably being THE most interesting and engaging character. Elena and Dennis have gotten a decent amount of praise too, even if it hasn't been nearly as unanimous as with Lado.


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* TheScrappy: O is generally not very well-liked among most people for various reasons. Some have complained that her narrative segments are grating, if not unbearable, others think that she's too bland and one-dimensional to be the character that drives the plot and connects all of the others, and some can't stand her demands for getting better food and accomodations from her kidnappers, when she should feel grateful to even be alive in the first place (this ''is'' the Mexican Drug Cartel after all, not a group that's well-known for their hospitality). In some cases, people hate her for ALL of the above reasons.
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* PoisonOakEpilepticTrees: The theory that the ImagineSpot first ending is completely true. O secretly cared for Lado so she created a happy ending where he won and both Chon and Ben lived.
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Brutal ending for a brutal movie.

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* AlternateEnding: The last ImagineSpot is a more fitting ending to the movie than the actual ending.
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* RoleAssociation: Film/JohnCarter and Film/KickAss are pot growers, and their mutual girlfriend is [[GossipGirl Serena van der Woodsen]]. She is kidnapped by a drug cartel run by [[PussInBoots Kitty Softpaws]], and includes [[Film/TheWolfman2010 Lawrence Talbot]] and [[{{Weeds}} Esteban Reyes]]. [[PulpFiction Vincent Vega]] is a DEA agent who keeps the protagonists' business safe. The two of them are also friends with SpeedRacer.

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* RoleAssociation: Film/JohnCarter and Film/KickAss are pot growers, and their mutual girlfriend is [[GossipGirl Serena van der Woodsen]]. She is kidnapped by a drug cartel run by [[PussInBoots Kitty Softpaws]], Softpaws, and includes [[Film/TheWolfman2010 Lawrence Talbot]] and [[{{Weeds}} Esteban Reyes]]. [[PulpFiction Vincent Vega]] is a DEA agent who keeps the protagonists' business safe. The two of them are also friends with SpeedRacer.
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* RoleAssociation: Film/JohnCarter and Film/KickAss are pot growers, and their mutual girlfriend is [[GossipGirl Serena van der Woodsen]]. She is kidnapped by a drug cartel run by [[PussInBoots Kitty Softpaws]], and includes [[TheWolfman2010 Lawrence Talbot]] and [[{{Weeds}} Esteban Reyes]]. [[PulpFiction Vincent Vega]] is a DEA agent who keeps the protagonists' business safe. The two of them are also friends with SpeedRacer.

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* RoleAssociation: Film/JohnCarter and Film/KickAss are pot growers, and their mutual girlfriend is [[GossipGirl Serena van der Woodsen]]. She is kidnapped by a drug cartel run by [[PussInBoots Kitty Softpaws]], and includes [[TheWolfman2010 [[Film/TheWolfman2010 Lawrence Talbot]] and [[{{Weeds}} Esteban Reyes]]. [[PulpFiction Vincent Vega]] is a DEA agent who keeps the protagonists' business safe. The two of them are also friends with SpeedRacer.
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* RoleAssociation: JohnCarter and KickAss are pot growers, and their mutual girlfriend is [[GossipGirl Serena van der Woodsen]]. She is kidnapped by a drug cartel run by [[PussInBoots Kitty Softpaws]], and includes [[TheWolfman Lawrence Talbot]] and [[{{Weeds}} Esteban Reyes]]. [[PulpFiction Vincent Vega]] is a DEA agent who keeps the protagonists' business safe. The two of them are also friends with SpeedRacer.

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* RoleAssociation: JohnCarter Film/JohnCarter and KickAss Film/KickAss are pot growers, and their mutual girlfriend is [[GossipGirl Serena van der Woodsen]]. She is kidnapped by a drug cartel run by [[PussInBoots Kitty Softpaws]], and includes [[TheWolfman [[TheWolfman2010 Lawrence Talbot]] and [[{{Weeds}} Esteban Reyes]]. [[PulpFiction Vincent Vega]] is a DEA agent who keeps the protagonists' business safe. The two of them are also friends with SpeedRacer.
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* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Elena [[spoiler:She only got into the drug business in the first place because her husband was killed and she inherited his cartel connections, two of her sons were also killed, her third son is completely cut off from her, and her daughter Magda wants nothing to do with her, and at the end Lado betrays her and she ends up getting sentenced to 30 years in prison. O even admits that she feels bad for Elena in spite of everything she's done.]]
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* HamAndCheese: BenecioDelToro seems to be having the time of his life playing Lado. SalmaHayek and Demian Bichir also enter LargeHam territory quite a bit.

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* HamAndCheese: BenecioDelToro BenicioDelToro seems to be having the time of his life playing Lado. SalmaHayek and Demian Bichir also enter LargeHam territory quite a bit.
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* HamAndCheese: BenecioDelToro seems to be having the time of his life playing Lado. SalmaHayek and Demian Bichir also enter LargeHam territory quite a bit.
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* ShallowLoveInterest: O could be seen as one, as she is solely defined by being Chon and Ben's girlfriend, liking shopping, and being accustomed to and demanding better food and other accommodations from her captors.

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* ShallowLoveInterest: O could be seen as one, as she is solely defined by being Chon and Ben's girlfriend, liking shopping, and being accustomed to and demanding better food and other accommodations from her captors.captors.
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Elena [[spoiler:She only got into the drug business in the first place because her husband was killed and she inherited his cartel connections, two of her sons were also killed, her third son is completely cut off from her, and her daughter Magda wants nothing to do with her, and at the end Lado betrays her and she ends up getting sentenced to 30 years in prison. O even admits that she feels bad for Elena in spite of everything she's done.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: It's tough to pin down when exactly Lado crosses it. Perhaps it's when he orders Esteban to murder a woman generally unassociated with the previous cartel. Or threatens to kill Dennis' children. [[spoiler:Or kills Esteban for being "too soft." Or when he rapes O.]]
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* EvilIsSexy: Elena definitely qualifies.
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* RoleAssociation: JohnCarter and KickAss are pot growers, and their mutual girlfriend is [[GossipGirl Serena van der Woodsen]]. She is kidnapped by a drug cartel run by [[PussInBoots Kitty Softpaws]], and includes [[TheWolfman Lawrence Talbot]] and [[{{Weeds}} Esteban Reyes]]. [[PulpFiction Vincent Vega]] is a DEA agent who keeps the protagonists' business safe. The two of them are also friends with SpeedRacer.
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* CompleteMonster: Lado

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* CompleteMonster: LadoEl Lado.
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* CompleteMonster: Lado
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* ShallowLoveInterest: O could be seen as one, as she is solely defined by being Chon and Ben's girlfriend, liking shopping, and being accustomed to and demanding better food and other accommodations from her captors.

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