History YMMV / SAW

28th Aug '17 12:07:04 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Quite a few people are behind [[spoiler: Hoffman]] because of [[spoiler: his]] actions in the 5th and 6th movies painting [[spoiler: him]] as a Badass MagnificentBastard Determinator who improvises plans on the fly whenever things start going bad for [[spoiler: him]]. Just as many if not more people [[spoiler: are happy he got his final comeuppance in the finale.]]

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** Quite a few people are behind [[spoiler: Hoffman]] because of [[spoiler: his]] actions in the 5th and 6th movies painting [[spoiler: him]] as a Badass badass MagnificentBastard Determinator {{Determinator}} who improvises plans on the fly whenever things start going bad for [[spoiler: him]]. Just as many if not more people [[spoiler: are happy he got his final comeuppance in the finale.]]



** [[spoiler: Detective Peter Strahm in Saw V]], a BadAss, {{Determinator}} cop who had upgraded from supporting character to a main protagonist, survived an inescapable trap, and began piecing things together about Jigsaw and his apprentices... only to be killed in [[CruelAndUnusualDeath an incredibly nasty way]] at the end of the film, which didn't really amount to a strong impact on the A-plot anyways.

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** [[spoiler: Detective Peter Strahm in Saw V]], a BadAss, badass, {{Determinator}} cop who had upgraded from supporting character to a main protagonist, survived an inescapable trap, and began piecing things together about Jigsaw and his apprentices... only to be killed in [[CruelAndUnusualDeath an incredibly nasty way]] at the end of the film, which didn't really amount to a strong impact on the A-plot anyways.



* {{Wangst}}: Jeff Denlon.

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* %%* {{Wangst}}: Jeff Denlon.
27th Aug '17 2:47:00 PM Repo
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** [[spoiler: Detective Lindsey PEeez in Saw VI]]. A popular character who [[DroppedABridgeOnHim died offscreen]] only to be brought back (with the previous death being retconned into an attempt at faking it).... to be unceremoniously killed off again. Though this time it was onscreen, at least.

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** [[spoiler: Detective Lindsey PEeez Perez in Saw VI]]. A popular character who [[DroppedABridgeOnHim died offscreen]] only to be brought back (with the previous death being retconned into an attempt at faking it).... to be unceremoniously killed off again. Though this time it was onscreen, at least.
27th Aug '17 2:46:49 PM Repo
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27th Aug '17 2:46:48 PM Repo
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** [[spoiler: Detective Peter Strahm in Saw V]], a [[BadAss], {{Determinator}} cop who had upgraded from supporting character to a main protagonist, survived an inescapable trap, and began piecing things together about Jigsaw and his apprentices... only to be killed in [[CruelAndUnusualDeath an incredibly nasty way]] at the end of the film, which didn't really amount to a strong impact on the A-plot anyways.

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** [[spoiler: Detective Peter Strahm in Saw V]], a [[BadAss], BadAss, {{Determinator}} cop who had upgraded from supporting character to a main protagonist, survived an inescapable trap, and began piecing things together about Jigsaw and his apprentices... only to be killed in [[CruelAndUnusualDeath an incredibly nasty way]] at the end of the film, which didn't really amount to a strong impact on the A-plot anyways.
27th Aug '17 2:46:38 PM Repo
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** [[spoiler: Detective Peter Strahm in Saw V]]. Having been upgraded from supporting character to a main protagonist, survived an inescapable trap, and began piecing things together about Jigsaw and his apprentices... only to be killed in [[CruelAndUnusualDeath an incredibly nasty way]] at the end of the film, which didn't really amount to a strong impact on the A-plot anyways.
** [[spoiler: Detective Lindsey PErez in Saw VI]]. A popular character who [[DroppedABridgeOnHim died offscreen]] only to be brought back (with the previous death being retconned into an attempt at faking it).... to be unceremoniously killed off again. Though this time it was onscreen, at least.

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** [[spoiler: Detective Peter Strahm in Saw V]]. Having been V]], a [[BadAss], {{Determinator}} cop who had upgraded from supporting character to a main protagonist, survived an inescapable trap, and began piecing things together about Jigsaw and his apprentices... only to be killed in [[CruelAndUnusualDeath an incredibly nasty way]] at the end of the film, which didn't really amount to a strong impact on the A-plot anyways.
** [[spoiler: Detective Lindsey PErez PEeez in Saw VI]]. A popular character who [[DroppedABridgeOnHim died offscreen]] only to be brought back (with the previous death being retconned into an attempt at faking it).... to be unceremoniously killed off again. Though this time it was onscreen, at least.
3rd Aug '17 10:45:45 PM Repo
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** Amanda was by no means a great person. [[spoiler: But her death at the end of Saw III is pretty painful to watch, especially with her fear and pain visible on her face, and with John reaching out to her with that look of utter grief and sorrow.]]

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** Amanda was by no means a great person. [[spoiler: But her death at the end of Saw III is pretty painful to watch, especially with her fear and pain visible on her face, and with John reaching out to her with that look of utter grief and sorrow.]]]
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: A common issue fans have with the series is that it tends to be too trigger happy with some of the major characters when they still had a lot of story left to offer, some examples incude:
** [[spoiler: Detective Allison Kerry in Saw III]]. A major protagonist for the previous two movies and appears to be stepping into a leading role.... only to fall victim to SuddenSequelDeathSyndrome and never be mentioned again for the of the film
** [[spoiler: Detective Peter Strahm in Saw V]]. Having been upgraded from supporting character to a main protagonist, survived an inescapable trap, and began piecing things together about Jigsaw and his apprentices... only to be killed in [[CruelAndUnusualDeath an incredibly nasty way]] at the end of the film, which didn't really amount to a strong impact on the A-plot anyways.
** [[spoiler: Detective Lindsey PErez in Saw VI]]. A popular character who [[DroppedABridgeOnHim died offscreen]] only to be brought back (with the previous death being retconned into an attempt at faking it).... to be unceremoniously killed off again. Though this time it was onscreen, at least.
*** The latter two are made even more confusing since Saw 3D introduced a brand new cop character to take on the role of main protagonist when ''either one'' could have taken the role on, providing a character that audiences already had an investment in (Rather than wasting time developing a major, never before seen new character in the final film) while also creating a stronger connection to the previous films.
3rd Aug '17 11:50:38 AM TheRedRedKroovy
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* HarsherInHindsight: ''Saw [=3D=]'' featured Chester Bennington of Music/LinkinPark as one of the victims of Jigsaw's traps. He wound up committing suicide on July 20, 2017, the same day that the first trailer for ''Jigsaw'' came out.
1st Aug '17 4:16:45 PM memetron
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* EpilepticTrees: Mostly regarding the fate of Dr. Gordon. [[spoiler:Not that it matters as of ''Saw 3D'']].

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* EpilepticTrees: Mostly regarding the fate of Dr. Gordon.Lawrence. [[spoiler:Not that it matters as of ''Saw 3D'']].



** His last moments with Gordon. A wounded Lawrence is desperately trying to calm down a hysterical, crying Adam, promising to come back with help. The twist just makes this worse, [[spoiler:and seeing Lawrence forget about him to ''work with Jigsaw'' in Saw 3D is a straight up punch to the stomach.]]
** Amanda was by no means a great person. [[spoiler: But her death at the end of Saw III is pretty painful to watch, especially with John reaching out to her with that look of utter grief and sorrow on his face.]]

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** His last moments with Gordon. Lawrence. A wounded Lawrence is desperately trying to calm down a hysterical, crying Adam, telling him he needs to get help and promising to come back with help. The twist just makes this worse, [[spoiler:and seeing Lawrence forget about bring someone back. Gripping each other and pressing their foreheads together, Adam begging and screaming for him to ''work with Jigsaw'' in Saw 3D is a straight up punch to the stomach.]]
not leave. Kill me now.
** Amanda was by no means a great person. [[spoiler: But her death at the end of Saw III is pretty painful to watch, especially with her fear and pain visible on her face, and with John reaching out to her with that look of utter grief and sorrow on his face.sorrow.]]
2nd Mar '17 5:16:21 AM memetron
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Jigsaw a true monster, or a legitimately [[WellIntentionedExtremist sick and tragically misguided social engineer]]?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Jigsaw a true monster, or a legitimately [[WellIntentionedExtremist sick and tragically misguided social engineer]]?engineer]]? Maybe even something to do with his deteriorating mind?
8th Jan '17 10:44:38 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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* YMMV/SawI
* YMMV/SawII
* YMMV/SawIII
* YMMV/SawIV
* YMMV/SawV
* YMMV/SawVI
* YMMV/Saw3D

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* YMMV/SawI
''YMMV/SawI''
* YMMV/SawII
''YMMV/SawII''
* YMMV/SawIII
''YMMV/SawIII''
* YMMV/SawIV
''YMMV/SawIV''
* YMMV/SawV
''YMMV/SawV''
* YMMV/SawVI
''YMMV/SawVI''
* YMMV/Saw3D''YMMV/Saw3D''



* FoeYay: There was some pretty strong Hoffman/Jill sexual tension at times, especially when he killed all the officers, grabbed her and whispered "How do I look?" while getting closer to her neck.
* FoeYayShipping: A lot, most notably Hoffman/Amanda. They hate each other's guts but that doesn't keep the fans from shipping them.

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* FoeYay: There was some pretty strong Hoffman/Jill sexual tension at times, especially when he killed all the officers, grabbed her her, and whispered "How do I look?" while getting closer to her neck.
* FoeYayShipping: A lot, most notably Hoffman/Amanda. They hate each other's guts guts, but that doesn't keep the fans from shipping them.them.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: Two of them in the first movie, ironically coming from its {{Signature Scene}}s at that. The 'reverse bear trap' scene, while fairly understated compared to later films (especially given that Amanda ''escaped'' the trap), arguably foreshadowed the series' descent into becoming a pure {{Gorn}} franchise. Likewise, the TwistEnding of [[spoiler:Jigsaw being the seemingly dead guy on the bathroom floor]], which didn't ''really'' affect the plot all that much but was still an awesome moment, led the sequels to pile on further twists that eventually degenerated into a KudzuPlot.
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