Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / Rainman

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Furthermore, Creator/DustinHoffman plays an autistic character despite not being autistic himself, which has led some to criticize the film for having a non-autistic actor [[note]] Hoffman ''is'' neurodivergent, as he has ADHD, which is not on the autism spectrum but shares certain symptoms with ASC. [[/note]] cast as Raymond Babbitt instead of an autistic actor (although in fairness, Leslie Lemke [[CastTheRunnerUp initially was in mind to play Raymond.]])

to:

** Furthermore, Creator/DustinHoffman plays an autistic character despite not being autistic himself, which has led some to criticize the film for having a non-autistic actor [[note]] Hoffman ''is'' neurodivergent, as he has ADHD, which is not on the autism spectrum but shares certain symptoms with ASC.ASD. [[/note]] cast as Raymond Babbitt instead of an autistic actor (although in fairness, Leslie Lemke [[CastTheRunnerUp initially was in mind to play Raymond.]])

Added: 447

Removed: 244

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* OnceOriginalNowOverdone: When it was made, the film was revolutionary with just the sole idea of even recognising such thing as autism or using it as a plot device. Ever since, it has become synonymous with opening the floodgate for the overbearing, (and overbearingly) sappy HollywoodAutism copycats. While the film still is carried by Hoffman's and Cruise's performances, it's just hard to be impressed with what quickly became a cheap cliche.



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Perhaps due to autism being better-known these days, some people (even autistic people) find the movie pretty unremarkable (that is, if they don't outright hate it, as noted above) despite the hype alongside the stereotype.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Furthermore, Creator/DustinHoffman plays an autistic character despite not being autistic himself, the movie is retroactively receiving backlash for having a non-autistic actor [[note]] Hoffman ''is'' neurodivergent, as he has ADHD, which is not on the autism spectrum but shares certain symptoms with ASC. [[/note]] cast as Raymond Babbitt instead of an autistic actor (although in fairness, Leslie Lemke [[CastTheRunnerUp initially was in mind to play Raymond.]])

to:

** Furthermore, Creator/DustinHoffman plays an autistic character despite not being autistic himself, which has led some to criticize the movie is retroactively receiving backlash film for having a non-autistic actor [[note]] Hoffman ''is'' neurodivergent, as he has ADHD, which is not on the autism spectrum but shares certain symptoms with ASC. [[/note]] cast as Raymond Babbitt instead of an autistic actor (although in fairness, Leslie Lemke [[CastTheRunnerUp initially was in mind to play Raymond.]])
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HarsherInHindsight: Following the poker scene, Charlie, to try and persuade Ray to stop insisting on wearing Kmart clothes, says "Kmart sucks". Come this decade, and slowly but surely the Kmart stores slowly began to close up-- with 9 stores remaining as of 2023.

to:

* HarsherInHindsight: Following the poker scene, Charlie, to try and persuade Ray to stop insisting on wearing Kmart clothes, says "Kmart sucks". Come this decade, and slowly but surely the Kmart stores slowly began to close up-- with 9 stores remaining as of 2023.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Lee Rich, the head of MGM at the time, told the ''New York Times'' predicted that ''Rain Man'' would not make money, but "would help [him] with exhibitors."

to:

** Lee Rich, the head of MGM at the time, told the ''New York Times'' that he predicted that ''Rain Man'' would not make money, but "would help [him] with exhibitors."

Added: 496

Changed: 334

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: During filming, Creator/DustinHoffman was unsure of the film's potential and his own performance. Three weeks into the project, Hoffman wanted out, telling Barry Levinson, "Get Creator/RichardDreyfuss, get somebody, Barry, because this is the worst work of my life." Hoffman would nab his second Best Actor Academy Award for his work.

to:

* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: AndYouThoughtItWouldFail:
**
During filming, Creator/DustinHoffman was unsure of the film's potential and his own performance. Three weeks into the project, Hoffman wanted out, telling Barry Levinson, "Get Creator/RichardDreyfuss, get somebody, Barry, because this is the worst work of my life." Hoffman would nab his second Best Actor Academy Award for his work.work.
** Lee Rich, the head of MGM at the time, told the ''New York Times'' predicted that ''Rain Man'' would not make money, but "would help [him] with exhibitors."


* HarsherInHindsight: Following the poker scene, Charlie, to try and persuade Ray to stop insisting on wearing Kmart clothes, says "Kmart sucks". Come this decade, and slowly but surely the Kmart stores slowly began to close up-- with less than 20 stores remaining as of early 2023.

to:

* HarsherInHindsight: Following the poker scene, Charlie, to try and persuade Ray to stop insisting on wearing Kmart clothes, says "Kmart sucks". Come this decade, and slowly but surely the Kmart stores slowly began to close up-- with less than 20 9 stores remaining as of early 2023.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
The clinically used term is "autism spectrum disorder," not "autism spectrum condition." Also replacing instances of person-first language with identity-first language, which is generally preferred among the majority of autistic people.


* BrokenBase: The film's portrayal of Autism Spectrum Condition, especially to modern audiences; some consider it a positive and sympathetic portrayal that does a good job capturing the ups and downs of the condition, especially compared to earlier portrayals, while others, especially autistic viewers, feel that it still carries an uncomfortably ableist undercurrent and deride it for perpetuating and popularizing the "autistic savant" stereotype, and obscuring the fact that not all savants have [=ASDs=] and not all autistic people are savants.

to:

* BrokenBase: The film's portrayal of Autism Spectrum Condition, autism, especially to modern audiences; some consider it a positive and sympathetic portrayal that does a good job capturing the ups and downs of the condition, especially compared to earlier portrayals, while others, especially autistic viewers, feel that it still carries an uncomfortably ableist undercurrent and deride it for perpetuating and popularizing the "autistic savant" stereotype, and obscuring the fact that not all savants have [=ASDs=] and not all autistic people are savants.



* FairForItsDay: The movie is criticized nowadays for introducing the stereotype that all autistic people have savant skills, and for giving out a strict criterion for autism portrayals when the condition is, in reality, loosely defined and highly variable from person to person beyond base commonalities (Hence why the full name for the mental disability is "Autism ''Spectrum'' Condition"). However, mainstream awareness of autism owes much to this film, and it [[GenreTurningPoint opened the floodgates for introducing sympathetic portrayals of mentally challenged characters in media.]] According to the book ''Literature/NeuroTribes'', the movie also helped the general population become much more sympathetic towards autistic people, as the movie gave them a basic understanding of the condition.

to:

* FairForItsDay: The movie is criticized nowadays for introducing the stereotype that all autistic people have savant skills, and for giving out a strict criterion for autism portrayals when the condition is, in reality, loosely defined and highly variable from person to person beyond base commonalities (Hence why the full name for the mental disability is "Autism ''Spectrum'' Condition")."autism ''spectrum'' disorder"). However, mainstream awareness of autism owes much to this film, and it [[GenreTurningPoint opened the floodgates for introducing sympathetic portrayals of mentally challenged characters in media.]] According to the book ''Literature/NeuroTribes'', the movie also helped the general population become much more sympathetic towards autistic people, as the movie gave them a basic understanding of the condition.



** Furthermore, Creator/DustinHoffman plays a character with autism spectrum condition despite not having autism, the movie is retroactively receiving backlash for having a non-autistic actor [[note]] Hoffman ''is'' neurodivergent, as he has ADHD, which is not on the Autism Spectrum but shares certain symptoms with ASC. [[/note]] cast as Raymond Babbitt instead of an actor with autism spectrum disorder (although in fairness, Leslie Lemke [[CastTheRunnerUp initially was in mind to play Raymond.]])

to:

** Furthermore, Creator/DustinHoffman plays a an autistic character with autism spectrum condition despite not having autism, being autistic himself, the movie is retroactively receiving backlash for having a non-autistic actor [[note]] Hoffman ''is'' neurodivergent, as he has ADHD, which is not on the Autism Spectrum autism spectrum but shares certain symptoms with ASC. [[/note]] cast as Raymond Babbitt instead of an autistic actor with autism spectrum disorder (although in fairness, Leslie Lemke [[CastTheRunnerUp initially was in mind to play Raymond.]])
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HarsherInHindsight: Following the poker scene, Charlie lets Ray in on a secret: "Kmart sucks". Come this decade, and slowly but surely the Kmart stores slowly began to close up-- with less than 20 stores remaining as of early 2023.

to:

* HarsherInHindsight: Following the poker scene, Charlie lets Charlie, to try and persuade Ray in to stop insisting on a secret: wearing Kmart clothes, says "Kmart sucks". Come this decade, and slowly but surely the Kmart stores slowly began to close up-- with less than 20 stores remaining as of early 2023.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BrokenBase: The film's portrayal of Autism Spectrum Condition, especially to modern audiences; some consider it a positive and sympathetic portrayal that does a good job capturing the ups and downs of the condition, especially compared to earlier portrayals, while others, especially autistic viewers, feel that it still carries an uncomfortably ableist undercurrent and deride it for perpetuating and popularizing the "autistic savant" stereotype, and obscuring the fact that not all savants have [=ASDs=].

to:

* BrokenBase: The film's portrayal of Autism Spectrum Condition, especially to modern audiences; some consider it a positive and sympathetic portrayal that does a good job capturing the ups and downs of the condition, especially compared to earlier portrayals, while others, especially autistic viewers, feel that it still carries an uncomfortably ableist undercurrent and deride it for perpetuating and popularizing the "autistic savant" stereotype, and obscuring the fact that not all savants have [=ASDs=].[=ASDs=] and not all autistic people are savants.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
go positive instead of negative


** Furthermore, Creator/DustinHoffman plays a character with autism spectrum condition despite not having autism, the movie is retroactively receiving backlash for having a non-autistic actor [[note]] Hoffman isn't neurotypical, as he has ADHD, which is not on the Autism Spectrum but shares certain symptoms with ASC. [[/note]] cast as Raymond Babbitt instead of an actor with autism spectrum disorder (although in fairness, Leslie Lemke [[CastTheRunnerUp initially was in mind to play Raymond.]])

to:

** Furthermore, Creator/DustinHoffman plays a character with autism spectrum condition despite not having autism, the movie is retroactively receiving backlash for having a non-autistic actor [[note]] Hoffman isn't neurotypical, ''is'' neurodivergent, as he has ADHD, which is not on the Autism Spectrum but shares certain symptoms with ASC. [[/note]] cast as Raymond Babbitt instead of an actor with autism spectrum disorder (although in fairness, Leslie Lemke [[CastTheRunnerUp initially was in mind to play Raymond.]])
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
A legitimate and accepted medical term


* {{Glurge}}: Despite the general [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments positive]] [[SugarWiki/SweetDreamsFuel reception]] of the movie and Creator/DustinHoffman's great Oscar-winning performance, for many autistic people, the movie's much more {{glurge}}-y than anything else. The simplistic portrayal of autism in the movie and the way it's used as a plot device to teach the "neurotypical" protagonist not to be a {{Jerkass}} make it guaranteed Flame Bait on many autistic support forums. That this film [[FollowTheLeader created a trend in Hollywood]] for self-consciously sympathetic and tearful films about InspirationallyDisadvantaged, which turned into one of the most negative examples of OscarBait before too long, exacerbates this fact.

to:

* {{Glurge}}: Despite the general [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments positive]] [[SugarWiki/SweetDreamsFuel reception]] of the movie and Creator/DustinHoffman's great Oscar-winning performance, for many autistic people, the movie's much more {{glurge}}-y than anything else. The simplistic portrayal of autism in the movie and the way it's used as a plot device to teach the "neurotypical" neurotypical protagonist not to be a {{Jerkass}} make it guaranteed Flame Bait on many autistic support forums. That this film [[FollowTheLeader created a trend in Hollywood]] for self-consciously sympathetic and tearful films about InspirationallyDisadvantaged, which turned into one of the most negative examples of OscarBait before too long, exacerbates this fact.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BrokenBase: The film's portrayal of Autism Spectrum Condition, especially to modern audiences; some consider it a positive and sympathetic portrayal that does a good job capturing the ups and downs of the condition, especially compared to earlier portrayals, while others, especially autistic viewers, feel that it still carries an uncomfortably ableist undercurrent and deride it for perpetuating and popularizing the "autistic savant" stereotype, and obscuring the fact that not all savants have [ASDs].

to:

* BrokenBase: The film's portrayal of Autism Spectrum Condition, especially to modern audiences; some consider it a positive and sympathetic portrayal that does a good job capturing the ups and downs of the condition, especially compared to earlier portrayals, while others, especially autistic viewers, feel that it still carries an uncomfortably ableist undercurrent and deride it for perpetuating and popularizing the "autistic savant" stereotype, and obscuring the fact that not all savants have [ASDs].[=ASDs=].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BrokenBase: The film's portrayal of Autism Spectrum Condition, especially to modern audiences; some consider it a positive and sympathetic portrayal that does a good job capturing the ups and downs of the condition, especially compared to earlier portrayals, while others, especially autistic viewers, feel that it still carries an uncomfortably ableist undercurrent and deride it for perpetuating and popularizing the "autistic savant" stereotype, and obscuring the fact that not all savants have [[ASDs]].

to:

* BrokenBase: The film's portrayal of Autism Spectrum Condition, especially to modern audiences; some consider it a positive and sympathetic portrayal that does a good job capturing the ups and downs of the condition, especially compared to earlier portrayals, while others, especially autistic viewers, feel that it still carries an uncomfortably ableist undercurrent and deride it for perpetuating and popularizing the "autistic savant" stereotype, and obscuring the fact that not all savants have [[ASDs]].[ASDs].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BrokenBase: The film's portrayal of Autism Spectrum Condition, especially to modern audiences; some consider it a positive and sympathetic portrayal that does a good job capturing the ups and downs of the condition, especially compared to earlier portrayals, while others, especially autistic viewers, feel that it still carries an uncomfortably ableist undercurrent and deride it for perpetuating and popularizing the "autistic savant" stereotype, and obscuring the fact that not all savants have ASDs.

to:

* BrokenBase: The film's portrayal of Autism Spectrum Condition, especially to modern audiences; some consider it a positive and sympathetic portrayal that does a good job capturing the ups and downs of the condition, especially compared to earlier portrayals, while others, especially autistic viewers, feel that it still carries an uncomfortably ableist undercurrent and deride it for perpetuating and popularizing the "autistic savant" stereotype, and obscuring the fact that not all savants have ASDs.[[ASDs]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BrokenBase: The film's portrayal of Autism Spectrum Condition, especially to modern audiences; some consider it a positive and sympathetic portrayal that does a good job capturing the ups and downs of the condition, especially compared to earlier portrayals, while others, especially autistic viewers, feel that it still carries an uncomfortably ableist undercurrent and deride it for perpetuating and popularizing the "autistic savant" stereotype.

to:

* BrokenBase: The film's portrayal of Autism Spectrum Condition, especially to modern audiences; some consider it a positive and sympathetic portrayal that does a good job capturing the ups and downs of the condition, especially compared to earlier portrayals, while others, especially autistic viewers, feel that it still carries an uncomfortably ableist undercurrent and deride it for perpetuating and popularizing the "autistic savant" stereotype.stereotype, and obscuring the fact that not all savants have ASDs.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Furthermore, Creator/DustinHoffman plays a character with autism spectrum disorder despite not having autism, the movie is retroactively receiving backlash for having a non-autistic actor [[note]] Hoffman isn't neurotypical, as he has ADHD, but of course that's entirely different from ASD. [[/note]] cast as Raymond Babbitt instead of an actor with autism spectrum disorder (although in fairness, Leslie Lemke [[CastTheRunnerUp initially was in mind to play Raymond.]])

to:

** Furthermore, Creator/DustinHoffman plays a character with autism spectrum disorder condition despite not having autism, the movie is retroactively receiving backlash for having a non-autistic actor [[note]] Hoffman isn't neurotypical, as he has ADHD, which is not on the Autism Spectrum but of course that's entirely different from ASD.shares certain symptoms with ASC. [[/note]] cast as Raymond Babbitt instead of an actor with autism spectrum disorder (although in fairness, Leslie Lemke [[CastTheRunnerUp initially was in mind to play Raymond.]])
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FairForItsDay: The movie is criticized nowadays for introducing the stereotype that all autistic people have savant skills, and for giving out a strict criterion for autism portrayals when the condition is, in reality, loosely defined and highly variable from person to person beyond base commonalities (Hence why the full name for the mental disability is "Autism ''Spectrum'' Disorder"). However, mainstream awareness of autism owes much to this film, and it [[GenreTurningPoint opened the floodgates for introducing sympathetic portrayals of mentally challenged characters in media.]] According to the book ''Literature/NeuroTribes'', the movie also helped the general population become much more sympathetic towards autistic people, as the movie gave them a basic understanding of the condition.

to:

* FairForItsDay: The movie is criticized nowadays for introducing the stereotype that all autistic people have savant skills, and for giving out a strict criterion for autism portrayals when the condition is, in reality, loosely defined and highly variable from person to person beyond base commonalities (Hence why the full name for the mental disability is "Autism ''Spectrum'' Disorder").Condition"). However, mainstream awareness of autism owes much to this film, and it [[GenreTurningPoint opened the floodgates for introducing sympathetic portrayals of mentally challenged characters in media.]] According to the book ''Literature/NeuroTribes'', the movie also helped the general population become much more sympathetic towards autistic people, as the movie gave them a basic understanding of the condition.



** Raymond revealing to Charlie why he got sent to the institution- he saved Charlie from being burned by hot bathwater when he was just a child, but his father mistakenly thought that Raymond had tried to burn him on purpose. Raymond was unable to speak up for himself due to his disorder, and his father never found out the truth as a result. Even worse, it's implied that had this event not occurred, Raymond could have had an easier time coping with neurotypical society.

to:

** Raymond revealing to Charlie why he got sent to the institution- he saved Charlie from being burned by hot bathwater when he was just a child, but his father mistakenly thought that Raymond had tried to burn him on purpose. Raymond was unable to speak up for himself due to his disorder, condition, and his father never found out the truth as a result. Even worse, it's implied that had this event not occurred, Raymond could have had an easier time coping with neurotypical society.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BrokenBase: The film's portrayal of Autism Spectrum Disorder, especially to modern audiences; some consider it a positive and sympathetic portrayal that does a good job capturing the ups and downs of the condition, especially compared to earlier portrayals, while others, especially autistic viewers, feel that it still carries an uncomfortably ableist undercurrent and deride it for perpetuating and popularizing the "autistic savant" stereotype.

to:

* BrokenBase: The film's portrayal of Autism Spectrum Disorder, Condition, especially to modern audiences; some consider it a positive and sympathetic portrayal that does a good job capturing the ups and downs of the condition, especially compared to earlier portrayals, while others, especially autistic viewers, feel that it still carries an uncomfortably ableist undercurrent and deride it for perpetuating and popularizing the "autistic savant" stereotype.

Changed: 137

Removed: 148

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Fixing a miswritten wiki word, fixing an indentation error, and adjusting a bit of wording to be less ableist.


* SugarWiki/HeCanReallyAct: This was an anomaly in Creator/TomCruise's career up to this point where his fast talking, hyper aggressive character type slams head first into a situation that forces him to be more compassionate and introspective. This helped show that Cruise does have the chops for more grounded dramas, and he credits Hoffman with helping him reinvent his discipline as an actor through this film.

to:

* SugarWiki/HeCanReallyAct: SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: This was an anomaly in Creator/TomCruise's career up to this point where his fast talking, hyper aggressive character type slams head first into a situation that forces him to be more compassionate and introspective. This helped show that Cruise does have the chops for more grounded dramas, and he credits Hoffman with helping him reinvent his discipline as an actor through this film.



** Raymond revealing to Charlie why he got sent to the institution- he saved Charlie from being burned by hot bathwater when he was just a child, but his father mistakenly thought that Raymond had tried to burn him on purpose. Raymond was unable to speak up for himself due to his disorder, and his father never found out the truth as a result.
** Even worse, it's implied that had this event not occurred, Raymond could have been a higher-functioning person who could live without assistance.

to:

** Raymond revealing to Charlie why he got sent to the institution- he saved Charlie from being burned by hot bathwater when he was just a child, but his father mistakenly thought that Raymond had tried to burn him on purpose. Raymond was unable to speak up for himself due to his disorder, and his father never found out the truth as a result.
**
result. Even worse, it's implied that had this event not occurred, Raymond could have been a higher-functioning person who could live without assistance.had an easier time coping with neurotypical society.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HeCanReallyAct: This was an anomaly in Creator/TomCruise's career up to this point where his fast talking, hyper aggressive character type slams head first into a situation that forces him to be more compassionate and introspective. This helped show that Cruise does have the chops for more grounded dramas, and he credits Hoffman with helping him reinvent his discipline as an actor through this film.

to:

* HeCanReallyAct: SugarWiki/HeCanReallyAct: This was an anomaly in Creator/TomCruise's career up to this point where his fast talking, hyper aggressive character type slams head first into a situation that forces him to be more compassionate and introspective. This helped show that Cruise does have the chops for more grounded dramas, and he credits Hoffman with helping him reinvent his discipline as an actor through this film.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* HeCanReallyAct: This was an anomaly in Creator/TomCruise's career up to this point where his fast talking, hyper aggressive character type slams head first into a situation that forces him to be more compassionate and introspective. This helped show that Cruise does have the chops for more grounded dramas, and he credits Hoffman with helping him reinvent his discipline as an actor through this film.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HarsherInHindsight: Following the poker scene, Charlie lets Ray in on a secret: "Kmart sucks". Come this decade, and slowly but surely the Kmart stores slowly began to close up-- with less than 400 stores remaining.

to:

* HarsherInHindsight: Following the poker scene, Charlie lets Ray in on a secret: "Kmart sucks". Come this decade, and slowly but surely the Kmart stores slowly began to close up-- with less than 400 20 stores remaining.remaining as of early 2023.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
If he was portrayed as being wrong for saying it it's not an example of Values Dissonance.


** When the doctor in charge of Raymond tells Charlie about Raymond's diagnosis, Charlie asks if Raymond is mentally retarded and later in the movie, Charlie yells at Raymond for his autistic behaviors and tells him to "stop acting like a fucking retard!". When the movie was released in the 1980's, the word was considered fair game to use, and the movie portrays Charlie as [[{{Jerkass}} completely in the wrong]] for using it. Nowadays however, the term is considered much more offensive, especially in the United States (to the point where the term "mental retardation" has been replaced in the scientific vernacular with terms like "mental impairment," "mentally disabled," and "Intellectually Challenged/Disabled").

to:

** When the doctor in charge of Raymond tells Charlie about Raymond's diagnosis, Charlie asks if Raymond is mentally retarded and later in the movie, Charlie yells at Raymond for his autistic behaviors and tells him to "stop acting like a fucking retard!". When the movie was released in the 1980's, the word was considered fair game to use, and the movie portrays while Charlie as [[{{Jerkass}} completely in isn't supposed to be sympathetic when he says it, the wrong]] for using it.word itself is not portrayed as wrong. Nowadays however, the term is considered much more offensive, especially in the United States (to the point where the term "mental retardation" has been replaced in the scientific vernacular with terms like "mental impairment," "mentally disabled," and "Intellectually Challenged/Disabled").
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Zero Context Example. I don't think this scene is famous enough to be this trope.


* SignatureScene: The shot of Raymond and Charlie descending the escalator in Caesar's place in matching grey suits, making Ray look almost cool.

Changed: 1295

Removed: 67

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Hiding Zero Context Example; deleting general example.


* NightmareFuel: ''Any'' time Raymond has a meltdown.
** Charlie tries to force Raymond to go on a plane, even after he insists that there's a real risk that it'll crash. But just before they board it, Ray screams bloody murder and hits himself on the head repeatedly, and it's absolutely ''terrifying'', which forces Charlie not to take the plane. There is some TruthInTelevision to this; compulsive, stereotyped motions known as "stimming" are common among autistic individuals as a means of venting stress, and while most cases of it are fairly benign (if odd-looking to a neurotypical person), in some rarer and more extreme cases it can indeed include self-harming behaviors such as striking oneself on the head.
** Raymond's meltdowns with the hot bathtub and the smoke detector.

to:

* NightmareFuel: ''Any'' time Raymond has a meltdown.
**
Charlie tries to force Raymond to go on a plane, even after he insists that there's a real risk that it'll crash. But just before they board it, Ray screams bloody murder and hits himself on the head repeatedly, and it's absolutely ''terrifying'', which forces Charlie not to take the plane. There is some TruthInTelevision to this; compulsive, stereotyped motions known as "stimming" are common among autistic individuals as a means of venting stress, and while most cases of it are fairly benign (if odd-looking to a neurotypical person), in some rarer and more extreme cases it can indeed include self-harming behaviors such as striking oneself on the head.
** %%** Raymond's meltdowns with the hot bathtub and the smoke detector.detector. Context?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Zero Context Example, general example.


* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The soundtrack is full of it, some of which is still fun to listen to. "Iko Iko" (by the Belle Stars) and "Las Vegas" are standouts. Meanwhile, the one and only Music/HansZimmer composed the score itself.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The letter from Charlie's father to his son. He sounds worn out and lonely, knowing that his son's lousy relationshiip and personality is unchangeable and probably his own doing, and that all there is left between them is the inheritance and some best wishes.

to:

** The letter from Charlie's father to his son. He sounds worn out and lonely, knowing that his son's lousy relationshiip relationship and personality is unchangeable and probably his own doing, and that all there is left between them is the inheritance and some best wishes.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* {{Glurge}}: Despite the general [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments positive]] [[SugarWiki/SweetDreamsFuel reception]] of the movie and Creator/DustinHoffman's great Oscar-winning performance, for many autistic people, the movie's much more {{glurge}}-y than anything else. The simplistic portrayal of autism in the movie and the way it's used as a plot device to teach the "neurotypical" protagonist not to be a {{Jerkass}} make it guaranteed Flame Bait on many autistic support forums. That this film [[FranchiseOriginalSin created a trend in Hollywood]] for self-consciously sympathetic and tearful films about InspirationallyDisadvantaged, which turned into one of the most negative examples of OscarBait before too long, exacerbates this fact.

to:

* {{Glurge}}: Despite the general [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments positive]] [[SugarWiki/SweetDreamsFuel reception]] of the movie and Creator/DustinHoffman's great Oscar-winning performance, for many autistic people, the movie's much more {{glurge}}-y than anything else. The simplistic portrayal of autism in the movie and the way it's used as a plot device to teach the "neurotypical" protagonist not to be a {{Jerkass}} make it guaranteed Flame Bait on many autistic support forums. That this film [[FranchiseOriginalSin [[FollowTheLeader created a trend in Hollywood]] for self-consciously sympathetic and tearful films about InspirationallyDisadvantaged, which turned into one of the most negative examples of OscarBait before too long, exacerbates this fact.

Top