History YMMV / Pokemon

22nd May '16 5:04:46 AM MayIncon
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** In Generation I, Alakazam and the Psychic-type in General were lethal. Nothing resisted Psychic except other Psychics, and the only types they were weak to was Bug, due to a glitch with the Ghost-type, but back then the only damaging Bug moves were Twinneedle, Leech Life, and Pin Missile. The first two are awful and Pin Missile was limited to Beedrill and Jolteon. Beedrill is weak to Psychic, hence Jolteon's fame in the early days of the game as the only reliable anti-Psychic fighter. Generation II fixed the Ghost glitch, introduced a TM teaching a strong Ghost-type move, and introduced two new types which resist Psychic, bringing them down to normal. That said, Alakazam immediately found a new niche for the next two generations as a Sweeper, since the elemental punches had become portable, and is still pretty badass to the day. That being said, Psychic-types constantly got the shaft throughout the years when the Physical-Special split happened(resulting in most Psychics having even shallower movepool than before) and their weaknesses becoming more and more prominent from Gen IV onwards. Putting the nail in the coffin is the Fairy-type doing similar jobs as them but much better.

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** In Generation I, Alakazam and the Psychic-type in General were lethal. Nothing resisted Psychic except other Psychics, and the only types they were weak to was Bug, due to a glitch with the Ghost-type, but back then the only damaging Bug moves were Twinneedle, Leech Life, and Pin Missile. The first two are awful and Pin Missile was limited to Beedrill and Jolteon. Beedrill is weak to Psychic, hence Jolteon's fame in the early days of the game as the only reliable anti-Psychic fighter. Generation II fixed the Ghost glitch, introduced a TM teaching a strong Ghost-type move, and introduced two new types which resist Psychic, bringing them down to normal. That said, Alakazam immediately found a new niche for the next two generations as a Sweeper, since the elemental punches had become portable, and is still pretty badass to the day. That being said, After that however Psychic-types constantly got the shaft throughout the years when the Physical-Special split happened(resulting in most Psychics having even shallower movepool than before) and their weaknesses becoming more and more prominent from Gen IV onwards.onwards with the increasing dominance of Dark-types. Putting the nail in the coffin is the Fairy-type doing similar jobs as them but much better.



** Tauros is considered the undisputed king of the Generation I meta-game due to its great Attack, Speed, and type-boosted Body Slam and Hyper Beam. However, PowerCreep and the numerous changes in the meta-game in later generations -- most significantly having the Special stat split into Special Attack and Special Defence in Generation II -- has left Tauros in the dust.
21st May '16 10:13:59 PM Tavernier
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** In Generation I, Alakazam and the Psychic-type in General were lethal. Nothing resisted Psychic except other Psychics, and the only types they were weak to was Bug, due to a glitch with the Ghost-type, but back then the only damaging Bug moves were Twinneedle, Leech Life, and Pin Missile. The first two are awful and Pin Missile was limited to Beedrill and Jolteon. Beedrill is weak to Psychic, hence Jolteon's fame in the early days of the game as the only reliable anti-Psychic fighter. Generation II fixed the Ghost glitch, introduced a TM teaching a strong Ghost-type move, and introduced two new types which resist Psychic, bringing them down to normal. Alakazam is still pretty badass though. That being said, Psychic-types constantly got the shaft throughout the years when the Physical-Special split happened(resulting in most Psychics having even shallower movepool than before) and their weaknesses becoming more and more prominent from Gen IV onwards. Putting the nail in the coffin is the Fairy-type doing similar jobs as them but much better.

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** In Generation I, Alakazam and the Psychic-type in General were lethal. Nothing resisted Psychic except other Psychics, and the only types they were weak to was Bug, due to a glitch with the Ghost-type, but back then the only damaging Bug moves were Twinneedle, Leech Life, and Pin Missile. The first two are awful and Pin Missile was limited to Beedrill and Jolteon. Beedrill is weak to Psychic, hence Jolteon's fame in the early days of the game as the only reliable anti-Psychic fighter. Generation II fixed the Ghost glitch, introduced a TM teaching a strong Ghost-type move, and introduced two new types which resist Psychic, bringing them down to normal. That said, Alakazam immediately found a new niche for the next two generations as a Sweeper, since the elemental punches had become portable, and is still pretty badass though.to the day. That being said, Psychic-types constantly got the shaft throughout the years when the Physical-Special split happened(resulting in most Psychics having even shallower movepool than before) and their weaknesses becoming more and more prominent from Gen IV onwards. Putting the nail in the coffin is the Fairy-type doing similar jobs as them but much better.
17th May '16 2:16:05 PM Retloclive
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* GoddamnedBoss: Roaming Legendaries can become this easily. It takes ages to find them because [[GetBackHereBoss they move all over the place]] (and will move to a new location if you use Fly) and when you do find them they run away on their first turn. The only way you can prevent this is to trap them with an ability or move, but even then you have to be lucky enough to make sure to lead with Pokemon with such moves/abilities when you encounter roaming Legendaries.

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* GoddamnedBoss: Roaming Legendaries can become this easily. It takes ages to find them because [[GetBackHereBoss they move all over the place]] (and will move to a new location if you use Fly) and when you do find them they run away on their first turn. The only way you can prevent this is to trap them with an ability or move, but even then you have to be lucky enough to make sure to lead with Pokemon with such moves/abilities when you encounter roaming Legendaries. For added insult, some of these legendaries have the forced switch-out move, Roar, which will provide the Pokemon a chance to end the battle even if you managed to trap it.
17th May '16 12:41:38 AM MayIncon
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* GoddamnedBoss: Roaming Legendries can become this easily. It takes ages to find them because [[GetBackHereBoss they move all over the place]] (and will move to a new location if you use Fly) and when you do find them they run away on their first turn. The only way you can prevent this is to trap them with an ability or move.

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* GoddamnedBoss: Roaming Legendries Legendaries can become this easily. It takes ages to find them because [[GetBackHereBoss they move all over the place]] (and will move to a new location if you use Fly) and when you do find them they run away on their first turn. The only way you can prevent this is to trap them with an ability or move.move, but even then you have to be lucky enough to make sure to lead with Pokemon with such moves/abilities when you encounter roaming Legendaries.
15th May '16 8:22:22 AM mario0987
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* GoddamnedBoss: Roaming Legendries can become this easily. It takes ages to find them because [[GetBackHereBoss they move all over the place]] (and will move to a new location if you use Fly) and when you do find them they run away on their first turn. The only way you can prevent this is to trap them with an ability or move.



** Most legendaries are considered frustrating, not because they're powerful, but because they're so hard to catch. Giratina in ''Platinum'' might be one of the most difficult Pokémon ever to catch, due to its low catch rate, high level, and low PP of its attacks, meaning it will be using Struggle much sooner than other legendaries. Oh, and it's a Ghost-type so it's immune to [[HPToOne False Swipe]], too.

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** Most legendaries are considered frustrating, not because they're powerful, but because they're so hard to catch. Giratina in ''Platinum'' might be one of the most difficult Pokémon ever to catch, due to its low catch rate, high level, and low PP of its attacks, meaning it will be using Struggle much sooner than other legendaries. Oh, and it's a Ghost-type so it's immune to [[HPToOne False Swipe]], too. The Weather Trio (Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza) can be a pain too thanks to their move set often containing Rest.
8th May '16 5:10:52 PM Darthrai
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** [[RuleOfThree A third case of this]] occurs with the Chinese version, which had different names and translations for different Chinese-speaking regions (Hong Kong, Taiwan and Mainland China). When a unified Chinese translation was announced for ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' based on the Mainland translation, fans of the "de-canonized" Hong Kong and Taiwanese translations took issue, much like fans of the English names in Quebec.

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** [[RuleOfThree A third case of this]] occurs with the Chinese version, which had different names and translations for different Chinese-speaking regions (Hong Kong, Taiwan and Mainland China). When a unified Chinese translation was announced for ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' based on the Mainland translation, fans of the "de-canonized" Hong Kong and Taiwanese translations outside of Mainland China took issue, much like fans of the English names in Quebec.
8th May '16 5:10:13 PM Darthrai
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** [[RuleOfThree A third case of this]] occurs with the Chinese version, which had different names and translations for different Chinese-speaking regions (Hong Kong, Taiwan and Mainland China). When a unified Chinese translation was announced for ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' based on the Mainland translation, fans of the "de-canonized" Hong Kong and Taiwanese translations took issue, much like fans of the English names in Quebec.
8th May '16 4:53:07 PM Darthrai
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** The series has different Pokémon names for the Japanese, English[[note]]with the English names used everywhere outside of Japan, France, Germany, Korea and China[[/note]], French, German, Chinese and Korean versions, with all characters and locations having different names in each translation as well. Generally, these localizations are well-liked by each of their target audiences. However, [[CanadaEh French-speaking Quebecers]], who generally grew up with the English games and a Quebec French dub of the anime that used the English names, are prone to have somewhat negative opinions of the French games and TCG[[note]]which are imported from France, and use their localizations[[/note]], with the most commonly mocked French names being "Tadmorv" and "Grotadmorv" (Grimer's and Muk's). [[http://tongfuk.tumblr.com/post/26964086926/youknowquebec-chetiflor-shitty-flore-trans This Tumblr post]] pretty much sums it up (translation just below the post). [[http://blogues.journaldemontreal.com/tousdesgamers/retour-en-enfance-pokemon/ This French-Canadian review]] of ''X'' and ''Y'' also speaks for itself, with not a single French name in sight.
** Similarly, Latin Americans play the English games, and are critical of Spanish character and location names (used in Spain), with some Latin American users on the now-defunct Pokéteca (the Spanish Bulbapedia) causing an uproar over the use of said Spanish names on the wiki rather than the English ones. Poketeca's successor, the Spanish Pokémon Wikia, eventually reached a compromise, with anime characters' names being listed "Latin American forward slash European", while the video game characters will be referred to by their Castilian names.
*** Especially for French Canadians, this has gotten worse with the fourth ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' game, which ''does'' have a French-Canadian version that nonetheless keeps the European translations for the ''Pokémon'' elements.[[note]]Meanwhile, almost everything else is based on the North American translations. For example, Charizard is called "Dracaufeu" in both French versions of the game, but [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] is only called "Harmonie" in EU French and is still "Rosalina" in NA French.[[/note]] The Latin American version doesn't have it so bad due to Pokémon always keeping their English names in Spanish, and other ''Pokémon'' elements with Spanish {{Dub Name Change}}s aren't so prominent in the ''Smash'' series.

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** The series has different Pokémon names for the Japanese, English[[note]]with the English names used everywhere outside of Japan, France, Germany, Korea and China[[/note]], French, German, Chinese and Korean versions, with all characters and locations having different names in each translation as well. Generally, these localizations are well-liked by each of their target audiences. However, [[CanadaEh French-speaking Quebecers]], who generally grew up with the English games and a Quebec French dub of the anime that used the English names, are prone to have somewhat negative opinions of the French games get a bit testy about French-translated material from ''HGSS'' onwards[[note]]the games, anime and TCG[[note]]which are TCG, almost all imported from France, and France[[/note]] due to the fact that they use their localizations[[/note]], with [[InconsistentDub the most commonly mocked French names being "Tadmorv" and "Grotadmorv" (Grimer's and Muk's). [[http://tongfuk.tumblr.com/post/26964086926/youknowquebec-chetiflor-shitty-flore-trans This Tumblr post]] pretty much sums it up (translation just below terms]] rather than [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks the post). [[http://blogues.journaldemontreal.com/tousdesgamers/retour-en-enfance-pokemon/ This French-Canadian review]] of ''X'' and ''Y'' also speaks for itself, with not a single French name in sight.
English ones that they grew up with]].
** Similarly, Latin Americans play the only had English games, games available for a while, and are critical of Spanish character and location names (used in Spain), with some Latin American users on the now-defunct Pokéteca (the Spanish Bulbapedia) causing an uproar over the use of said Spanish names on the wiki rather than the English ones. Poketeca's successor, the Spanish Pokémon Wikia, eventually reached a compromise, with anime characters' names being listed "Latin American forward slash European", while the video game characters will be referred to by their Castilian names.
*** Especially for French Canadians, this has gotten worse with the fourth ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' game, which ''does'' have a French-Canadian version that nonetheless keeps the European translations for the ''Pokémon'' elements.[[note]]Meanwhile, almost everything else is based on the North American translations. For example, Charizard is called "Dracaufeu" in both French versions of the game, but [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] is only called "Harmonie" in EU French and is still "Rosalina" in NA French.[[/note]] The Latin American version doesn't have it so bad due to Pokémon always keeping their English names in Spanish, and other ''Pokémon'' elements with Spanish {{Dub Name Change}}s aren't so prominent in the ''Smash'' series.
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6th May '16 10:58:50 AM Mario1995
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** The revelation of a possible live-action film adaptation being made by either Creator/WarnerBrothers, Creator/{{Sony}} or Creator/LegendaryPictures. While some view it as The Pokémon Company simply riding on the success of the advertisement celebrating its 20th anniversary, many believe that a Hollywood treatment of the franchise would result in the studio(s) whitewashing it of its Asian roots, akin to the controversial [[RaceLift casting]] of Creator/ScarlettJohansson as the lead in the film adaptation of ''Franchise/GhostInTheShell'' at time. Others would cite ''Film/DragonballEvolution'', which suffered similar whitewashing, as a sole reason why Hollywood studios adapting a beloved Japanese work could not and would not work well at all. Another major concern is that the studio(s) would make the live-action film drive away from the franchise's lighthearted, fun subject matter that defined the video games and anime and have it turn into a DarkerAndEdgier, more mature PG/PG-13-rated film that would not only alienate younger fans of the franchise, but also the fan base overall.

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** The revelation of a possible live-action film adaptation being made by either Creator/WarnerBrothers, Creator/{{Sony}} or Creator/LegendaryPictures. While some view it as The Pokémon Company simply riding on the success of the advertisement celebrating its 20th anniversary, many believe that a Hollywood treatment of the franchise would result in the studio(s) whitewashing it of its Asian roots, akin to the controversial [[RaceLift casting]] of Creator/ScarlettJohansson as the lead in the film adaptation of ''Franchise/GhostInTheShell'' at the time. Others would cite ''Film/DragonballEvolution'', which suffered similar whitewashing, as a sole reason why Hollywood studios adapting a beloved Japanese work could not and would not work well at all. Another major concern is that the studio(s) would make the live-action film drive away from the franchise's lighthearted, fun subject matter that defined the video games and anime and have it turn into a DarkerAndEdgier, more mature PG/PG-13-rated film that would not only alienate younger fans of the franchise, but also the fan base overall.
4th May '16 2:05:02 PM Darthrai
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* ItsPopularNowItSucks:
** The franchise as a whole. Many people criticize the series for [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks introducing very few changes]], and see the fanbase as manchildren, due to a large chunk of the fanbase [[PeripheryDemographic being comprised of adults.]]
** Dear god, ''Charizard.'' It's arguably the most well-known Pokemon (aside from Pikachu), and, of all the Kanto starters, is the most picked and promoted. It also scores consistently high in American popularity polls. In fact, people are willing to buy a Base Set Charizard card for over ''1,000 dollars.'' Competitively, it's actually quite mediocre, especially with a 4x Stealth Rock weakness. That doesn't stop newer players from using it in high tiers though, much to the ire of many fans. Charizard's situation only got ''worse'' when ''X and Y'' came around, giving it not one, but '''two''' mega evolutions (one of which is a TierInducedScrappy on the high spectrum)! Because of its sheer popularity, it's no wonder why Charizard has gotten a considerable {{Hatedom}}.
** Pikachu, the SeriesMascot. For one, it ''constantly'' [[SpotlightStealingSquad steals the spotlight]] from many other Pokemon. It also appears on literally ''every form of merchandise imaginable,''. The TCG isn't immune either, as Pikachu has a whopping ''91 unique cards'' in the TCG, including an EX card, making it the only unevolved Pokemon with an EX card. It's also insanely powerful in the anime, ''[[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Super Smash Bros.,]]'' and Pokken Tournament. However, in the games, despite all of Game Freak's efforts to make it viable, it's very poor in the main series. Not helping its case is that almost every generation introduced a new {{Expy}} of Pikachu, which are also generally poor in competitive play.
** Eevee and all eight of its evolutions. When asking people what their favorite Normal, Fire, Water, Electric, Dark, Psychic, Ice, Grass or Fairy type is, expect many people to answer the Eeveelution of the respective type. There's also insane amounts of fanart of the Eeveelutions when compared to most other Pokemon. Probably the most defining reason for the Eeveelutions' {{Hatedom}} is their continued use in competitive play, when a large majority of them are outclassed by other Pokemon at their roles. Case in point: Sylveon and Vaporeon are outclassed by other Fairies in OU and other bulky Waters in UU respectively, but continued usage by bad players leaves them stuck in their respective tiers.
*** Of all of the Eeveelutions, Espeon and Umbreon get this the most. When compared to even other Eeveelutions, they have a ludicrous amount of fanart. While unlike most eeveelutions, they're not bad in their tier (UU), Espeon was stuck in OU near the beginning of the ''X and Y'' because of continued usage by bad players, despite being horribly outclassed.

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* ItsPopularNowItSucks:
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ItsPopularNowItSucks: The franchise as a whole. Many people criticize the series for [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks introducing very few changes]], and see the fanbase as manchildren, due to a large chunk of the fanbase [[PeripheryDemographic being comprised of adults.]]
** Dear god, ''Charizard.'' It's arguably the most well-known Pokemon (aside
has suffered from Pikachu), and, of this all the Kanto starters, is the most picked and promoted. It also scores consistently high in American popularity polls. In fact, people are willing to buy a Base Set Charizard card for over ''1,000 dollars.'' Competitively, it's actually quite mediocre, especially with a 4x Stealth Rock weakness. That doesn't stop newer players from using it in high tiers though, much to the ire of many fans. Charizard's situation only got ''worse'' when ''X and Y'' came around, giving it not one, but '''two''' mega evolutions (one of which is a TierInducedScrappy on the high spectrum)! Because of its sheer popularity, it's no wonder why Charizard has gotten a considerable {{Hatedom}}.
** Pikachu, the SeriesMascot. For one, it ''constantly'' [[SpotlightStealingSquad steals the spotlight]] from many other Pokemon. It also appears on literally ''every form of merchandise imaginable,''. The TCG isn't immune either, as Pikachu has a whopping ''91 unique cards'' in the TCG, including an EX card, making it the only unevolved Pokemon with an EX card. It's also insanely powerful in the anime, ''[[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Super Smash Bros.,]]'' and Pokken Tournament. However, in the games, despite all of Game Freak's efforts to make it viable, it's very poor in the main series. Not helping its case is that almost every generation introduced a new {{Expy}} of Pikachu, which are also generally poor in competitive play.
** Eevee and all eight of its evolutions. When asking people what their favorite Normal, Fire, Water, Electric, Dark, Psychic, Ice, Grass or Fairy type is, expect many people to answer the Eeveelution of the respective type. There's also insane amounts of fanart of the Eeveelutions when compared to most other Pokemon. Probably the most defining reason
life, first for the Eeveelutions' {{Hatedom}} is "Pokémania" fad among kids in the late '90s, and later for its massive and largely nostalgia-based PeripheryDemographic. Additionally, some popular Pokémon species (such as Charizard) started suffering from this trope after their continued use fandoms emerged in competitive play, when a large majority of them are outclassed by other Pokemon at their roles. Case in point: Sylveon and Vaporeon are outclassed by other Fairies in OU and other bulky Waters in UU respectively, but continued usage by bad players leaves them stuck in their respective tiers.
*** Of all of the Eeveelutions, Espeon and Umbreon get this the most. When compared to even other Eeveelutions, they have a ludicrous amount of fanart. While unlike most eeveelutions, they're not bad in their tier (UU), Espeon was stuck in OU near the beginning of the ''X and Y'' because of continued usage by bad players, despite being horribly outclassed.
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