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* BaseBreaker:
** Zephyr himself. He's a manipulative jerk with crippling fear of failure, sure, and no one's really supposed to like him until the end, but the fandom's a little split over whether he's funny enough to justify it or if he's just an annoyance and spoiled the episode. Considering how true to life his situation was was, this likewise made a few fans cringe.
** Fluttershy's behavior in the episode has divided the fans just as much too. For starters, she tells her brother to get a job and a life of his own despite the fact that ''she'' [[{{Hypocrite}} doesn't have a job at all]] and took a few seasons until she grew out of her shell, whereas she expects Zephyr to do it instantly. Needless to say, fans were divided on whether it was appropriate for her to teach the brutally realistic moral of the story despite her being the nicest character on the show.
** Zephyr himself. He's a manipulative jerk with crippling fear of failure, sure, and no one's really supposed to like him until the end, but the fandom's a little split over whether he's funny enough to justify it or if he's just an annoyance and spoiled the episode. Considering how true to life his situation was was, this likewise made a few fans cringe.
** Fluttershy's behavior in the episode has divided the fans just as much too. For starters, she tells her brother to get a job and a life of his own despite the fact that ''she'' [[{{Hypocrite}} doesn't have a job at all]] and took a few seasons until she grew out of her shell, whereas she expects Zephyr to do it instantly. Needless to say, fans were divided on whether it was appropriate for her to teach the brutally realistic moral of the story despite her being the nicest character on the show.
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* BaseBreaker:
**BaseBreaker: Zephyr himself. He's a manipulative jerk with crippling fear of failure, sure, and no one's really supposed to like him until the end, but the fandom's a little split over whether he's funny enough to justify it or if he's just an annoyance and spoiled the episode. Considering how true to life his situation was was, this likewise made a few fans cringe.
** Fluttershy's behavior in the episode has divided the fans just as much too. For starters, she tells her brother to get a job and a life of his own despite the fact that ''she'' [[{{Hypocrite}} doesn't have a job at all]] and took a few seasons until she grew out of her shell, whereas she expects Zephyr to do it instantly. Needless to say, fans were divided on whether it was appropriate for her to teach the brutally realistic moral of the story despite her being the nicest character on the show.cringe.
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** Fluttershy's behavior in the episode has divided the fans just as much too. For starters, she tells her brother to get a job and a life of his own despite the fact that ''she'' [[{{Hypocrite}} doesn't have a job at all]] and took a few seasons until she grew out of her shell, whereas she expects Zephyr to do it instantly. Needless to say, fans were divided on whether it was appropriate for her to teach the brutally realistic moral of the story despite her being the nicest character on the show.
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* BaseBreaker: Zephyr himself. He's a manipulative jerk with crippling fear of failure, sure, and no one's really supposed to like him until the end, but the fandom's a little split over whether he's funny enough to justify it or if he's just an annoyance and spoiled the episode. Considering how true to life his situation was was, this likewise made a few fans cringe.
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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreaker:
** Zephyr himself. He's a manipulative jerk with crippling fear of failure, sure, and no one's really supposed to like him until the end, but the fandom's a little split over whether he's funny enough to justify it or if he's just an annoyance and spoiled the episode. Considering how true to life his situation was was, this likewise made a few fanscringe.cringe.
** Fluttershy's behavior in the episode has divided the fans just as much too. For starters, she tells her brother to get a job and a life of his own despite the fact that ''she'' [[{{Hypocrite}} doesn't have a job at all]] and took a few seasons until she grew out of her shell, whereas she expects Zephyr to do it instantly. Needless to say, fans were divided on whether it was appropriate for her to teach the brutally realistic moral of the story despite her being the nicest character on the show.
* CargoShip: Angel Bunny and Zephyr's rabbit gnome.
* CounterpartComparison: Mr. and Mrs. Shy have jokingly been compared to [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons the Flanders parents]].
** Zephyr himself. He's a manipulative jerk with crippling fear of failure, sure, and no one's really supposed to like him until the end, but the fandom's a little split over whether he's funny enough to justify it or if he's just an annoyance and spoiled the episode. Considering how true to life his situation was was, this likewise made a few fans
** Fluttershy's behavior in the episode has divided the fans just as much too. For starters, she tells her brother to get a job and a life of his own despite the fact that ''she'' [[{{Hypocrite}} doesn't have a job at all]] and took a few seasons until she grew out of her shell, whereas she expects Zephyr to do it instantly. Needless to say, fans were divided on whether it was appropriate for her to teach the brutally realistic moral of the story despite her being the nicest character on the show.
* CargoShip: Angel Bunny and Zephyr's rabbit gnome.
* CounterpartComparison: Mr. and Mrs. Shy have jokingly been compared to [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons the Flanders parents]].
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* FanficFuel: Zephyr meeting Discord, oh the potential shenanigans.
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* FanficFuel: FanficFuel:
** Zephyr meeting Discord, oh the potentialshenanigans.shenanigans.
** Zephyr's crush on Rainbow Dash could be explored in more detail.
** Zephyr finally gaining a life of his own and what adventures await him after his episode. Maybe even working on his character to become a [[SelfMadeMan self made mare]] and try to gain Rainbow Dash's real admiration in a better way.
** Zephyr meeting Discord, oh the potential
** Zephyr's crush on Rainbow Dash could be explored in more detail.
** Zephyr finally gaining a life of his own and what adventures await him after his episode. Maybe even working on his character to become a [[SelfMadeMan self made mare]] and try to gain Rainbow Dash's real admiration in a better way.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Considering that this is their first appearance in the series, Fluttershy's parents felt like they were pushed to the sides way too early to pave the way for the HateSink that is Zephyr.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Despite being a family friendly show, this episode dealt with the very real theme of how adults are afraid of failing in life and how some people purposely avoid getting a job because it is sometimes an intimidating thing to do. Not exactly the kind of topics that every child would immediately relate with.
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* AccidentalInnuendo:
** Zephyr accuses Fluttershy of "cracking the whip". One of the Rule34 fandom characterizations of Fluttershy is as a dominatrix.
** Zephyr accuses Fluttershy of "cracking the whip". One of the Rule34 fandom characterizations of Fluttershy is as a dominatrix.
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* AccidentalInnuendo:
**AccidentalInnuendo: Zephyr accuses Fluttershy of "cracking the whip". One of the Rule34 fandom characterizations of Fluttershy is as a dominatrix.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Zephyr being portrayed as a stereotypical selfish mooch (in a kid's show that normally preaches against making such generalizations, no less). A lot of unemployed viewers took this personally.
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He said "pops" not "clops"
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** At one point, Zephyr refers to his father as "clops". "Clopping" is a term from the darker corners of the fandom for ADateWithRosiePalms.
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* HilariousInHindsight:
** Remember when Twilight had a brother no one knew about or how Pinkie Pie had a sister no one knew about? Well now Fluttershy has [[RememberTheNewGuy a brother no one knew about]].
*** Unlike Shining Armor and Maud Pie, others act like they've heard of and even met Zephyr before, with Dash definitely familiar with him.
** Remember when Twilight had a brother no one knew about or how Pinkie Pie had a sister no one knew about? Well now Fluttershy has [[RememberTheNewGuy a brother no one knew about]].
*** Unlike Shining Armor and Maud Pie, others act like they've heard of and even met Zephyr before, with Dash definitely familiar with him.
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* HilariousInHindsight:
**HilariousInHindsight: Remember when Twilight had a brother no one knew about or how Pinkie Pie had a sister no one knew about? Well now Fluttershy has [[RememberTheNewGuy a brother no one knew about]].
*** ** Unlike Shining Armor and Maud Pie, others act like they've heard of and even met Zephyr before, with Dash definitely familiar with him.
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* NeverLiveItDown: While Zephyr Breeze isn't shown to be the AudienceSurrogate like most feared and instead just lazy and insecure, fans still interpret him to be ThisLoserIsYou.
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* NeverLiveItDown: While Zephyr Breeze isn't shown to be the AudienceSurrogate like most feared and instead is just lazy and insecure, fans still interpret him to be ThisLoserIsYou.
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* JerkassWoobie: Zephyr Breeze. He's a narcissistic prick, sure enough, but he's also masking a mound of insecurities and a crippling fear of failure.
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* JerkassWoobie: Zephyr Breeze. He's a narcissistic prick, sure enough, but he's also masking a mound of insecurities and a crippling fear of failure.
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* HiddenDepths: Fluttershy has apparently been assertive to Zephyr his entire life, to the point where he's not surprised in the least that Fluttershy is making him contribute in exchange for room and board. It's an interesting contrast to the ExtremeDoormat behavior she's displayed for the previous five seasons.
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* HiddenDepths: Fluttershy has apparently been assertive to Zephyr his entire life, to the point where he's not surprised in the least that Fluttershy is making him contribute in exchange for room and board. It's an interesting contrast to the ExtremeDoormat behavior she's displayed for the previous five seasons.
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** At one point, Zephyr refers to his father as "clops". "Clopping" is a term from the darker corners of the fandom (and popularized by haters on Website/FourChan, ''TheHowardSternShow'', and Creator/FoxNewsChannel) for ADateWithRosiePalms.
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** At one point, Zephyr refers to his father as "clops". "Clopping" is a term from the darker corners of the fandom (and popularized by haters on Website/FourChan, ''TheHowardSternShow'', and Creator/FoxNewsChannel) for ADateWithRosiePalms.
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* NoYay: Rainbow Dash's frightened rejection toward Zephyr's advances towards her. Fans were just as creeped out by it as her.
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* NoYay: Rainbow Dash's frightened rejection toward Zephyr's advances towards her.Rainbow Dash and her subsequent horrified disgust. Fans were just as creeped out by it as her.
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%%* JerkassWoobie: Zephyr Breeze
* NeverLiveItDown: While Zephyr Breeze isn't shown to be the AudienceSurrogate like most feared and instead just lazy, fans still interpret him to be ThisLoserIsYou.
* NeverLiveItDown: While Zephyr Breeze isn't shown to be the AudienceSurrogate like most feared and instead just lazy, fans still interpret him to be ThisLoserIsYou.
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* NeverLiveItDown: While Zephyr Breeze isn't shown to be the AudienceSurrogate like most feared and instead just
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** Seems the staff have forgot that helping someone find their true purpose was something that the Cutie Mark Crusaders got a job in.
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* NeverLiveItDown: While Zephyr Breeze isn't shown to be the AudienceSurrogate like most feared and instead just lazy, fans still interpret him to be ThisLoserIsYou.
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*** Then again, Applejack being the workhorse [[{{Pun}} (heh)]] that she is, this would be probably be throwing Zephyr in way over his head.
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** Many fansites are already treating "Peeved" as if it were a vulgar obscenity.
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%%* JerkassWoobie: Zephyr Breeze
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* AccidentalInnuendo:
** At one point, Zephyr refers to his father as "clops". "Clopping" is a term from the darker corners of the fandom (and popularized by haters on Website/FourChan, ''TheHowardSternShow'', and Creator/FoxNewsChannel) for ADateWithRosiePalms.
** Zephyr accuses Fluttershy of "cracking the whip". One of the Rule34 fandom characterizations of Fluttershy is as a dominatrix.
** At one point, Zephyr refers to his father as "clops". "Clopping" is a term from the darker corners of the fandom (and popularized by haters on Website/FourChan, ''TheHowardSternShow'', and Creator/FoxNewsChannel) for ADateWithRosiePalms.
** Zephyr accuses Fluttershy of "cracking the whip". One of the Rule34 fandom characterizations of Fluttershy is as a dominatrix.
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: Like Zephyr Breeze, many fans of the show have mentioned feeling lost and adrift until they were encouraged to follow their dream by fellow Bronies.
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** Given the spelling in the title, "Flutter Brutter" sounds a lot like the "Flutter Butter" meme of putting [[ShapedLikeItself Fluttershy's mane and tail on a stick of butter]]. In the episode itself Zephyr even refers to Fluttershy as Flutter Butter when we first meet him.
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Not YMMV
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* TrollingCreator: Some fans see the episode like a [[TakeThatAudience take that to part of the male audience]] from by authors.
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* TrollingCreator: Some fans see the episode like a [[TakeThatAudience take that to part of the male audience]] from by authors.
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** Given the spelling in the title, "Flutter Brutter" sounds a lot like the "Flutter Butter" meme of putting [[ShapedLikeItself Fluttershy's mane and tail on a stick of butter]].
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** Given the spelling in the title, "Flutter Brutter" sounds a lot like the "Flutter Butter" meme of putting [[ShapedLikeItself Fluttershy's mane and tail on a stick of butter]]. In the episode itself Zephyr even refers to Fluttershy as Flutter Butter when we first meet him.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: There was fanart of Fluttershy Mum even before the episode aired. Her father is similarly liked too.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: There was fanart of Fluttershy Mum even before the episode aired. Her father is similarly liked too.
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** There was fanart of Fluttershy Mum even before the episode aired. Her father is similarly liked too.
** There was fanart of Fluttershy Mum even before the episode aired. Her father is similarly liked too.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse:
**EnsembleDarkhorse: There was fanart of Fluttershy Mum even before the episode aired. Her father is similarly liked too.
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* FanficFuel:
** Zephyr meeting Discord, oh the potential shenanigans.
** Zephyr meeting Discord, oh the potential shenanigans.
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* FanficFuel:
**FanficFuel: Zephyr meeting Discord, oh the potential shenanigans.
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* TaintedByThePreview: When this episode's synopsis was announced, it created quite a stir. A [[AudienceSurrogate male pony]] who is a shut in and fears failure is [[AdultFear forced to leave the comforts of the inside on his own? For some,]] Zephyr Breeze [[ThisLoserIsYou resonated a little]] ''[[TearJerker too]]'' [[NightmareFuel close to home]], and fans weren't flattered about the insensitivity. Once shown in action, most of those fears were quelled (though some were still sore about the portrayal).
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* TaintedByThePreview: When this episode's synopsis was announced, it created quite a stir. A [[AudienceSurrogate male pony]] who is a shut in and fears failure is [[AdultFear [[BasementDweller forced to leave the comforts of the inside on his own? For some,]] Zephyr Breeze [[ThisLoserIsYou resonated a little]] ''[[TearJerker ''[[ThisLoserIsYou too]]'' [[NightmareFuel [[ThisLoserIsYou close to home]], and fans weren't flattered about the insensitivity. Once shown in action, most of those fears were quelled (though some were still sore about the portrayal).
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* BaseBreaker: Zephyr himself. He's a manipulative jerk with crippling fear of failure, sure, and no one's really supposed to like him until the end, but the fandom's a little split over whether he's funny enough to justify it or if he's just an annoyance and spoiled the episode.
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* BaseBreaker: Zephyr himself. He's a manipulative jerk with crippling fear of failure, sure, and no one's really supposed to like him until the end, but the fandom's a little split over whether he's funny enough to justify it or if he's just an annoyance and spoiled the episode. Considering how true to life his situation was was, this likewise made a few fans cringe.
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** Zephyr meeting Discord, oh the potential shenanigans.
** Zephyr meeting Discord, oh the potential shenanigans.
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* NoYay: Rainbow Dash's frightened rejection toward Zephyr's advances towards her.
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* NoYay: Rainbow Dash's frightened rejection toward Zephyr's advances towards her. Fans were just as creeped out by it as her.
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You're not MEANT to sympathyze enough for that to be a problem on the Unintentionall Unsympathetic front. He earned that one. Cleanin' up the rest
* BaseBreaker: Zephyr himself. He's a manipulative jerk with crippling fear of failure, sure, and no one's really supposed to like him until the end, but the fandom's a little split over whether he's funny enough to justify it or if he's just an annoyance and spoiled the episode.
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** There are fanart of Fluttershy Mum even before the episode aired. Her father is well liked too.
** Zephyr is more of a base breaker, but those who do like him find him utterly hilarious.
** Zephyr is more of a base breaker, but those who do like him find him utterly hilarious.
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** There are was fanart of Fluttershy Mum even before the episode aired. Her father is well similarly liked too.
** Zephyr is more of a base breaker, but those who do like him find him utterly hilarious.too.
** Zephyr is more of a base breaker, but those who do like him find him utterly hilarious.
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* TheScrappy: Before the episode aired, the idea of Zephyr Breeze sparked some debate. While some fans found the idea quite interesting, since he's the antithesis of CoolBigBro-type characters like Shining Armor and Big Macintosh, others are wary of the possible negative stereotype the show is giving him. And when the episode finally did air, he only became even more of this when some fans just found him to be an emotionally manipulative ManChild, while others ultimately came to see him as a legitimately troubled JerkassWoobie (especially during his eventual GoMadFromTheIsolation scene in the Everfree). That said, it is really hard not hate Zephyr Breeze since he is totally unlikeable and a lazy asshole unable to do everything for most of the episode. Granted, [[IntendedAudienceReaction he was meant to be unlikable]], but for some, Zephyr went beyond the point of LoveToHate.
* TaintedByThePreview: When this episode's synopsis was announced, it created quite a stir. A [[AudienceSurrogate male pony]] who is a shut in and fears failure is [[AdultFear forced to leave the comforts of the inside on his own? For some,]] Zephyr Breeze [[ThisLoserIsYou resonated a little]] ''[[TearJerker too]]'' [[NightmareFuel close to home]], and fans weren't flattered about the insensitivity. Thankfully, it seems that a preview, which shows him in action, may have calmed some of those fears. Unfortunately, though, the episode itself ended up selling him as completely annoying, lazy, and manipulative to many fans.
* TaintedByThePreview: When this episode's synopsis was announced, it created quite a stir. A [[AudienceSurrogate male pony]] who is a shut in and fears failure is [[AdultFear forced to leave the comforts of the inside on his own? For some,]] Zephyr Breeze [[ThisLoserIsYou resonated a little]] ''[[TearJerker too]]'' [[NightmareFuel close to home]], and fans weren't flattered about the insensitivity. Thankfully, it seems that a preview, which shows him in action, may have calmed some of those fears. Unfortunately, though, the episode itself ended up selling him as completely annoying, lazy, and manipulative to many fans.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Zephyr, in spades. Had he merely been a lazy ShrinkingViolet, then he likely would've still been fine to most fans. But instead, he's both actively overbearing and a conscious ManChild and ManipulativeBastard against all of his potential employers, thus making his aforementioned DespairEventHorizon scene in the Everfree just come across as LaserGuidedKarma to many viewers instead.
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** Zephyr is more of a base breaker, but those who do like him find him utterly hilarious.
** There are fanart of Fluttershy Mum even before the episode
** Zephyr is more of a base breaker, but those who do like him find him utterly hilarious.