Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail

Go To

OR

Added: 863

Removed: 1229

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Per TRS, Weird Al Effect was renamed to Parody Displacement. Also removed natter.


* ParodyDisplacement:
** It can be very hard to take Arthurian legend seriously after seeing this movie. There have also been reports of audiences bursting into laughter during violent sequences in movies like ''Film/{{Excalibur}}''.
** Quoting The Holy Grail has become such a tradition among ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' tabletop due to its close association with Medieval Fantasy, that most newcomers become well immersed in the film's jokes before they've even seen it, and are likely introduced to it through tabletop.
** The humorous on-again, off-again RunningGag of characters shouting "''RUN AWAAAAY!!''" is well-known to fans of ''WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddy'', but younger fans aren't as likely to recognize it as being an homage to this film, where it's repeatedly yelled with the exact same inflection as Arthur and his knights flee from danger.



* WeirdAlEffect:
** It can be very hard to take Arthurian legend seriously after seeing this movie. There have also been reports of audiences bursting into laughter during violent sequences in movies like ''Film/{{Excalibur}}''.
** Quoting The Holy Grail has become such a tradition among ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' tabletop due to its close association with Medieval Fantasy, that most newcomers become well immersed in the film's jokes before they've even seen it, and are likely introduced to it through tabletop.
*** As shown [[http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=673 here]].
*** As noted under SeinfeldIsUnfunny above, it's become ''so'' prevalent that many groups actively discourage quoting the film. Not only because ''everyone'' has already heard it, but because once one person starts in, it's inevitable that the ''entire group'' will soon recite ''the entire movie!''
** The humorous on-again, off-again RunningGag of characters shouting "''RUN AWAAAAY!!''" is well-known to fans of ''WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddy'', but younger fans aren't as likely to recognize it as being an homage to this film, where it's repeatedly yelled with the exact same inflection as Arthur and his knights flee from danger.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The Hungarian dub had dialogue changes of its own, some that worked and some that didn't. Comedian an Python-expert Miklós Galla counted no less than 47 standout examples of these.
*** The dub reinterpreted the coconuts used throughout the movie as dried-out pumpkins or gourds. Since the Hungarian word for pumpkin (tök) is also slang for testicles, the gags about the "airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow" consequently became "airspeed velocity of a ball-less swallow."

to:

** The Hungarian dub had dialogue changes of its own, some that worked and some that didn't. Comedian an and Python-expert Miklós Galla counted no less than 47 standout examples of these.
*** The dub reinterpreted the coconuts used throughout the movie as dried-out pumpkins or gourds. Since the Hungarian word for pumpkin (tök) is also slang for testicles, the gags about the "airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow" consequently became "airspeed velocity of a ball-less swallow."



*** The exchange between Galahad and Lancelot ("I bet you're gay." "No, I'm not!") was changed to Lancelot basically admitting he's gay by saying "Come, come... I'm nice and warm!" (warm is a synonym of gay in several languages, including Hungarain).

to:

*** The exchange between Galahad and Lancelot ("I bet you're gay." "No, I'm not!") was changed to Lancelot basically admitting he's gay by saying "Come, come... I'm nice and warm!" (warm is a synonym of gay in several languages, including Hungarain).Hungarian).

Added: 1760

Changed: 1620

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* {{Woolseyism}}: The Italian dub of the movie is an example of this backfiring. As the original movie's humour was considered "too weird" for Italian audiences, almost every dialogue was rewritten with new jokes, making half of the movie's humour being either sex jokes or political satire about taxes (for example, half of the Black Knight's dialogue was replaced with him making homophobic remarks towards Arthur, Tim the wizard says he's training to become a fiscalist and the Knights who say Ni became the Knights who say [[PrecisionFStrike Fuck You]]). Because of this, the Italian dub of the movie is deeply hated by fans. To add salt to the wound, in the early 2000 all the ''Monty Python'' movies were redubbed with more faithful dialogues... except for ''The Holy Grail'', the only one that seriously needed a redub.

to:

* {{Woolseyism}}: {{Woolseyism}}:
**
The Italian dub of the movie is an example of this backfiring. As the original movie's humour was considered "too weird" for Italian audiences, almost every dialogue was rewritten with new jokes, making half of the movie's humour being either sex jokes or political satire about taxes (for example, half of the Black Knight's dialogue was replaced with him making homophobic remarks towards Arthur, Tim the wizard says he's training to become a fiscalist and the Knights who say Ni became the Knights who say [[PrecisionFStrike Fuck You]]). Because of this, the Italian dub of the movie is deeply hated by fans. To add salt to the wound, in the early 2000 all the ''Monty Python'' movies were redubbed with more faithful dialogues... except for ''The Holy Grail'', the only one that seriously needed a redub.
** The Hungarian dub had dialogue changes of its own, some that worked and some that didn't. Comedian an Python-expert Miklós Galla counted no less than 47 standout examples of these.
*** The dub reinterpreted the coconuts used throughout the movie as dried-out pumpkins or gourds. Since the Hungarian word for pumpkin (tök) is also slang for testicles, the gags about the "airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow" consequently became "airspeed velocity of a ball-less swallow."
*** Most of the French guard's insults are fancifully rewritten. The line "I wave my private parts at your aunties. You cheesy lot of second-hand electric donkey-bottom biters!" became "At best we might let you crawl inside out butts if you ask us kindly! You fags, you light-fingered used car salesmen!"
*** Some changes are seemingly random. Instead of shrubbery, the Knights of Ni ask for a moorland swamp. The bridge keeper asks to know the capital of Sri Lanka rather than Assyria. In the same scene, Galahad's choice of favorite color "Blue. No! Yellow!" is changed to "Brown. No! Blu--"
*** The exchange between Galahad and Lancelot ("I bet you're gay." "No, I'm not!") was changed to Lancelot basically admitting he's gay by saying "Come, come... I'm nice and warm!" (warm is a synonym of gay in several languages, including Hungarain).
*** Certain rewrites are probably just mistranslations. The gag where Dingo [[BreakingTheFourthWall compliments her own scene]], prompting other characters to compare their scenes to hers, was changed to Dingo being happy about finding a handsome man, after which the others start boasting about their own good looks. Galla thinks the translator simply didn't understand the original dialogue and came up with a less satisfying joke instead.

Added: 148

Changed: 171

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* DiscreditedMeme: The constant use of quotations from it has caused it to become popular to mock people for quoting it so much.

to:

* DiscreditedMeme: The constant use of quotations from it has caused it to become popular to mock people for quoting it so much. For example, ''Webcomic/DMOfTheRings'' once [[https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=673 got the players spamming Holy Grail references]], with TheRant remarking:
-->"My own suggestion for the 4.0 edition rules: Anyone who quotes ''Holy Grail'' during a session should be made to eat their own character sheet."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ValuesDissonance: the fact that the temptresses of Castle Anthrax are described as being "between 16 and 19 and a half" can be a bit disconcerting to viewers from places where the age of consent is above 16, as it is in the UK - or places where people ''believe'' the age of consent is above 16, thanks to HollywoodProvincialism. Also, while Creator/CarolCleveland as Zoot & Dingo is clearly a case of DawsonCasting in action, the two girls who describe themselves as doctors appear to be played by actual teenagers - or at least, [[OlderThanTheyLook women who could pass as teenagers]] - making watching them come on to the thirty-something Michael Palin... uncomfortable.

to:

* ValuesDissonance: the The fact that the temptresses of Castle Anthrax are described as being "between 16 and 19 and a half" can be a bit disconcerting to viewers from places where the age of consent is above 16, as it is in the UK - or places where people ''believe'' the age of consent is above 16, thanks to HollywoodProvincialism. Also, while Creator/CarolCleveland as Zoot & Dingo is clearly a case of DawsonCasting in action, the two girls who describe themselves as doctors appear to be played by actual teenagers - or at least, [[OlderThanTheyLook women who could pass as teenagers]] - making watching them come on to the thirty-something Michael Palin... uncomfortable.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The sword duel between King Arthur and the Black Knight may have mirrored the lightsaber duel between [[Franchise/StarWars Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi]] in ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith''. A rare ''Star Wars'' prediction from a film that came out way before the ''Star Wars'' franchise could begin.

to:

** The sword duel between King Arthur and the Black Knight may have mirrored the lightsaber duel between [[Franchise/StarWars Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi]] in ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith''. A rare ''Star Wars'' prediction from a film that came out way a little before the ''Star Wars'' franchise could begin.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Fountain Of Memes are for characters that spawn a lot of memes. Not for individual works.


* FountainOfMemes:
** One of the single most quoted works within "nerdy" circles. More or less every single line is a meme to some extent. Find them [[Memes/MontyPython here]].
** Then there's one of the earliest Website/YouTube [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luVjkTEIoJc memes]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: A staple of Monty Python humor.

to:

* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: A staple of Monty Python humor.humour.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The sudden ending? While that was mostly because the Python's ran out of budget and patience, a few Arthurian Legends end with them suddenly being wiped out before they could actually find the Grail.

to:

** The sudden ending? While that was mostly because the Python's Pythons ran out of budget and patience, a few Arthurian Legends end with them suddenly being wiped out before they could actually find the Grail.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The chant by the monks is from a real hymn - "Dies Irae" ("Day of Wrath" in Latin) is a poem of the era describing the Last Judgment, appropriate for a bunch of self-flagellating monks to focus upon. For simplicity's sake, the monks only chant the last two lines. It is still sometimes used at a requiem mass to this day.

to:

** The chant by the monks is from a real hymn - "Dies Irae" ("Day of Wrath" in Latin) is a poem of the era describing the Last Judgment, appropriate for a bunch of self-flagellating monks to focus upon. For simplicity's sake, the monks only chant the last two lines. It is still sometimes used at a requiem mass Requiem Mass to this day.



** "What is the capital of Assyria" is a trick question. Assyria had ''Seven'' capitals over it's nearly 2000 year long history.

to:

** "What is the capital of Assyria" Assyria?" is a trick question. Assyria had ''Seven'' capitals over it's its nearly 2000 year long 2,000-year history.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** The Knights who say "Ni" panic after King Arthur says "It", as it's among their forbidden words. In the original production of ''Theatre/{{Spamalot}}'', Creator/TimCurry starred as King Arthur, having previously played Pennywise aka ''[[Film/It1990 It]]''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: WebVideo/RobAger theorizes that the "anachronisms" aren't actually anachronisms at all--they tell the audience point-blank the film is set in contemporary England, and that it's a sort-of SpiritualSuccessor to the "Upper Class Twit of the Year" sketch where a bunch of delusional, up-their-own-arse 1970s aristocrats, faced with the decline of the British class system, force all of England to abandon modernity and play along with their medieval LARP power fantasy to reclaim some of their old prestige and glory.

to:

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: WebVideo/RobAger theorizes that the "anachronisms" aren't actually anachronisms at all--they all. They tell the audience point-blank the film is set in contemporary England, and that it's a sort-of SpiritualSuccessor to the "Upper Class Twit of the Year" sketch where sketch. It's about a bunch of delusional, up-their-own-arse 1970s aristocrats, aristocrats who, faced with the decline of the British class system, force all of England to abandon modernity and play along with their medieval LARP power fantasy to reclaim some of their old prestige and glory.glory. At the end, the forces of modernity finally catch up to them and arrest the lot of them for thinking they can do whatever they want to England.

Added: 255

Changed: 253

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:


* SpecialEffectFailure: The rapid cutting featured during the attack of the Killer Rabbit doesn't ''quite'' hide the fact that the Rabbit itself is a hand puppet, but it's no great loss, [[NoFourthWall since this isn't the kind of film where immersion is terribly important]].

to:

* SpecialEffectFailure: SpecialEffectFailure:
**
The rapid cutting featured during the attack of the Killer Rabbit doesn't ''quite'' hide the fact that the Rabbit itself is a hand puppet, but it's no great loss, [[NoFourthWall since this isn't the kind of film where immersion is terribly important]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AdaptationDisplacement: There are fans of the film who have no idea [[Series/MontyPythonsFlyingCircus there was a TV series before it]].

to:

* AdaptationDisplacement: There are fans of the film ''Film/MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail'' who have no idea [[Series/MontyPythonsFlyingCircus there was a TV series before it]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: WebVideo/RobertAger theorizes that the "anachronisms" aren't actually anachronisms at all--they tell the audience point-blank the film is set in contemporary England, and that it's a sort-of SpiritualSuccessor to the "Upper Class Twit of the Year" sketch where a bunch of delusional, up-their-own-arse 1970s aristocrats, faced with the decline of the British class system, force all of England to abandon modernity and play along with their medieval LARP power fantasy to reclaim some of their old prestige and glory.

to:

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: WebVideo/RobertAger WebVideo/RobAger theorizes that the "anachronisms" aren't actually anachronisms at all--they tell the audience point-blank the film is set in contemporary England, and that it's a sort-of SpiritualSuccessor to the "Upper Class Twit of the Year" sketch where a bunch of delusional, up-their-own-arse 1970s aristocrats, faced with the decline of the British class system, force all of England to abandon modernity and play along with their medieval LARP power fantasy to reclaim some of their old prestige and glory.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Creator/RobertAger theorizes that the "anachronisms" aren't actually anachronisms at all--they tell the audience point-blank the film is set in contemporary England, and that it's a sort-of SpiritualSuccessor to the "Upper Class Twit of the Year" sketch where a bunch of delusional, up-their-own-arse 1970s aristocrats, faced with the decline of the British class system, force all of England to abandon modernity and play along with their medieval LARP power fantasy to reclaim some of their old prestige and glory.

to:

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Creator/RobertAger WebVideo/RobertAger theorizes that the "anachronisms" aren't actually anachronisms at all--they tell the audience point-blank the film is set in contemporary England, and that it's a sort-of SpiritualSuccessor to the "Upper Class Twit of the Year" sketch where a bunch of delusional, up-their-own-arse 1970s aristocrats, faced with the decline of the British class system, force all of England to abandon modernity and play along with their medieval LARP power fantasy to reclaim some of their old prestige and glory.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Creator/RobAger theorizes that the "anachronisms" aren't actually anachronisms at all--they tell the audience point-blank the film is set in contemporary England, and that it's a sort-of SpiritualSuccessor to the "Upper Class Twit of the Year" sketch where a bunch of delusional, up-their-own-arse 1970s aristocrats, faced with the decline of the British class system, force all of England to abandon modernity and play along with their medieval LARP power fantasy to reclaim some of their old prestige and glory.

to:

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Creator/RobAger Creator/RobertAger theorizes that the "anachronisms" aren't actually anachronisms at all--they tell the audience point-blank the film is set in contemporary England, and that it's a sort-of SpiritualSuccessor to the "Upper Class Twit of the Year" sketch where a bunch of delusional, up-their-own-arse 1970s aristocrats, faced with the decline of the British class system, force all of England to abandon modernity and play along with their medieval LARP power fantasy to reclaim some of their old prestige and glory.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Creator/RobAger theorizes that the "anachronisms" aren't actually anachronisms at all--they tell the audience point-blank the film is set in contemporary England, and that it's a sort-of SpiritualSuccessor to the "Upper Class Twit of the Year" sketch where a bunch of delusional, up-their-own-arse 1970s aristocrats, faced with the decline of the British class system, force all of England to abandon modernity and play along with their medieval LARP power fantasy to reclaim some of their old prestige and glory.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
So Calization have been renamed to Hollywood Provincialism by TRS.


* ValuesDissonance: the fact that the temptresses of Castle Anthrax are described as being "between 16 and 19 and a half" can be a bit disconcerting to viewers from places where the age of consent is above 16, as it is in the UK - or places where people ''believe'' the age of consent is above 16, thanks to SoCalization. Also, while Creator/CarolCleveland as Zoot & Dingo is clearly a case of DawsonCasting in action, the two girls who describe themselves as doctors appear to be played by actual teenagers - or at least, [[OlderThanTheyLook women who could pass as teenagers]] - making watching them come on to the thirty-something Michael Palin... uncomfortable.

to:

* ValuesDissonance: the fact that the temptresses of Castle Anthrax are described as being "between 16 and 19 and a half" can be a bit disconcerting to viewers from places where the age of consent is above 16, as it is in the UK - or places where people ''believe'' the age of consent is above 16, thanks to SoCalization.HollywoodProvincialism. Also, while Creator/CarolCleveland as Zoot & Dingo is clearly a case of DawsonCasting in action, the two girls who describe themselves as doctors appear to be played by actual teenagers - or at least, [[OlderThanTheyLook women who could pass as teenagers]] - making watching them come on to the thirty-something Michael Palin... uncomfortable.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** The sudden ending? While that was mostly because the Python's ran out of budget and patience, a few Arthurian Legends end with them suddenly being wiped out before they could actually find the Grail.
** "What is the capital of Assyria" is a trick question. Assyria had ''Seven'' capitals over it's nearly 2000 year long history.

Added: 220

Changed: 1

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Sir Lancelot saving Sir Galahad from 'great peril' at Castle Anthrax could be a nod to the fact that in a lot of stories Lancelot was the father of Galahad. Which makes changes the ending of the scene to a father dragging his son out of a WildTeenParty.

to:

* ** Sir Lancelot saving Sir Galahad from 'great peril' at Castle Anthrax could be a nod to the fact that in a lot of stories Lancelot was the father of Galahad. Which makes changes the ending of the scene to a father dragging his son out of a WildTeenParty.WildTeenParty.
** Lancelot just suddently going on massive killing sprees was something that happened in some Arthutian stories. However he would be wracked with shame and guilt not just offer up a [[BritishStuffiness Terribly sorry]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Sir Lancelot saving Sir Galahad from 'great peril' at Castle Anthrax could be a nod to the fact that in a lot of stories Lancelot was the father of Galahad. Which makes changes the ending of the scene to a father dragging his son out of a WildTeenParty.


** The antics of the Black Knight, staking out a little bridge and attacking anybody who tried to pass by, are based on a real practice called the ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pas_d%27armes pas d'armes]]''. [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Yes, knights back then were a little too enthusiastic sometimes.]]

to:

** The antics of the Black Knight, staking out a little bridge and attacking anybody who tried to pass by, are based on a real practice called the ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pas_d%27armes pas d'armes]]''. [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Yes, knights back then were a little too enthusiastic sometimes.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The "Camelot" song. 'Tis a silly place indeed.

to:

** The "Camelot" Camelot song. 'Tis a silly place indeed.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* {{Adorkable}}: Michael Palin plays Galahad as a preppy UpperClassTwit, but you can't deny he has a certain awkward charm. The ladies of Castle Anthrax certainly think so!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* {{Adorkable}}: Michael Palin plays Galahad as a preppy UpperClassTwit, but you can't deny he has a certain awkward charm. The ladies of Castle Anthrax certainly think so!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* {{Adorkable}}: Michael Palin plays Galahad as a preppy UpperClassTwit, but you can't deny he has a certain awkward charm. The ladies of Castle Anthrax certainly think so!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** The humorous on-again, off-again RunningGag of characters shouting "''RUN AWAAAAY!!''" is well-known to fans of ''WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddy'', but younger fans aren't as likely to recognize it as being an homage to this film, where it's repeatedly yelled with the exact same inflection as Arthur and his knights flee from danger.

to:

*** ** The humorous on-again, off-again RunningGag of characters shouting "''RUN AWAAAAY!!''" is well-known to fans of ''WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddy'', but younger fans aren't as likely to recognize it as being an homage to this film, where it's repeatedly yelled with the exact same inflection as Arthur and his knights flee from danger.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** The humorous on-again, off-again RunningGag of characters shouting "''RUN AWAAAAY!!''" is well-known to fans of WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddy, but younger fans aren't as likely to recognize it as being an homage to this film, where it's repeatedly yelled with the exact same inflection as Arthur and his knights flee from danger.

to:

*** The humorous on-again, off-again RunningGag of characters shouting "''RUN AWAAAAY!!''" is well-known to fans of WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddy, ''WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddy'', but younger fans aren't as likely to recognize it as being an homage to this film, where it's repeatedly yelled with the exact same inflection as Arthur and his knights flee from danger.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** The humorous on-again, off-again RunningGag of characters shouting "''RUN AWAAAAY!!''" is well-known to fans of WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddy, but younger fans aren't as likely to recognize it as being an homage to this film, where it's repeatedly yelled with the exact same inflection as Arthur and his knights flee from danger.

Top