History YMMV / Mockingbird

7th May '17 7:33:52 AM rwe1138
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* IronWoobie: Lets see...Before she got married, she was in a coma after an explosion, and decided to fake her death so her mother and brother don't have to deal with the dangers of her life. She was drugged and raped when lost in time, leading her to allow the man responsible to die. Then the spirit of her rapist came to her husband and gave him a half story, making it sound like it was a cold blooded kill, resulting in her and Clint's marriage to break down. Just as she was filing the divorce papers, she was abducted by the Skrulls, who played mind games with her at first (with two skrulls using the identities of her teammates so they could try to trick her into sleeping with one), before leaving her on a Skrull planet. She spent years being hunted by them until they found her and tortured her, ending with her killing a Skrull with her bare hands as it took the form of her husband. She eventually escaped but found herself unable to fully adapt to all the changes to the world and had to relive past issues with her now-ex husband (who believed the two were still married). After reuniting with Clint, however, the spirit of er rapist comes back, while Clint's well intentioned attempt to help her resulting in her mom and brother finding out the truth, leading the former to get shot, and the latter to declar he wishes she really was dead, putting her on a slippery slope that ends with the two breaking up again. Then, she gets shot on a mission, to which she nearly died, and the only way to save her leaves her immortal, meaning that, unless they gain immortality as well, she will outlive all of her friends. For someone just barely out of the C-Lister catagory, she's got one shitload of issues.

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* IronWoobie: Lets see...Before she got married, she was in a coma after an explosion, and decided to fake her death so her mother and brother don't have to deal with the dangers of her life. She was drugged and raped when lost in time, leading her to allow the man responsible to die. Then the spirit of her rapist came to her husband and gave him a half story, making it sound like it was a cold blooded kill, resulting in her and Clint's marriage to break down. Just as she was filing the divorce papers, she was abducted by the Skrulls, who played mind games with her at first (with two skrulls using the identities of her teammates so they could try to trick her into sleeping with one), before leaving her on a Skrull planet. She spent years being hunted by them until they found her and tortured her, ending with her killing a Skrull with her bare hands as it took the form of her husband. She eventually escaped but found herself unable to fully adapt to all the changes to the world and had to relive past issues with her now-ex husband (who believed the two were still married). After reuniting with Clint, however, the spirit of er her rapist comes back, while Clint's well intentioned attempt to help her resulting in her mom and brother finding out the truth, leading the former to get shot, and the latter to declar he wishes she really was dead, putting her on a slippery slope that ends with the two breaking up again. Then, she gets shot on a mission, to which she nearly died, and the only way to save her leaves her immortal, meaning that, unless they gain immortality as well, she will outlive all of her friends. For someone just barely out of the C-Lister catagory, she's got one shitload of issues.
28th Apr '17 4:58:34 AM DarkPhoenix94
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Jim McCann and Brian Michael Bendis essentially reinvented Bobbi when she reappeared following ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion''. She had not been well-served by her previous arcs in the 1980s, but McCann in particular reinforced her espionage training and ruthlessness.
* BrokenBase: Mockingbird #8 reveals that [[spoiler: Bobbi wasn't drugged and raped by the Phantom Rider, instead she cheated on Clint with him and just let Clint believe she had been raped, because it was easier for Clint to believe that than to believe that he had been cheated on.]] Rape aside, fans are divided on whether this is a good or bad thing as some feel this changes Bobbi [[spoiler:from being a strong survivor to a cheating wife]].
* DieForOurShip: Because ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' has been so successful, and as such been seen by many who never read the comics, Bobbi has recently been getting slated by fans of [[PortmanteauCoupleName BlackHawk]] for the slight of being Clint's wife in the comics. From being villainized to becoming an AlphaBitch in HighSchoolAU fics, its now almost impossible to find a fanfic that includes Bobbi that doesn't involve her being attacked and bashed, sadly. Likely this will be migted somewhat by her joining ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Jim McCann [=McCann=] and Brian Michael Bendis essentially reinvented Bobbi when she reappeared following ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion''. She had not been well-served by her previous arcs in the 1980s, but McCann in particular reinforced her espionage training and ruthlessness.
* BrokenBase: Mockingbird #8 reveals that [[spoiler: Bobbi wasn't drugged and raped by the Phantom Rider, instead she cheated on Clint with him and just let Clint believe she had been raped, because it was easier for Clint to believe that than to believe that he had been cheated on.]] Rape aside, fans are divided on whether this is a good or bad thing as some feel this changes Bobbi [[spoiler:from being a strong survivor to a cheating wife]].wife]] - on the other hand, others think this erases a somewhat cheap piece of RapeAsDrama.
* DieForOurShip: Because ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' has been so successful, and as such been seen by many who never read the comics, Bobbi has recently been getting slated by fans of [[PortmanteauCoupleName BlackHawk]] BlackHawk[=/=]Clintasha]] for the slight of being Clint's wife in the comics. From being villainized to becoming an AlphaBitch in HighSchoolAU fics, its now almost impossible to find a fanfic that includes Bobbi that doesn't involve her being attacked and bashed, sadly. Likely this will be migted mitigated somewhat by her joining ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''



*** Interestingly though, Hawkeye's wife has not received much hatred, or at least not as vocal of hatred as those against Lance Hunter, at least not from Hawkingbird shippers (less can be said for other Clint shippers on that front). The fact people seem to expect her and the kids to die in [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar Civil War]] probably explains that.

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*** Interestingly though, Hawkeye's wife has not received much hatred, or at least not as vocal of hatred as those against Lance Hunter, at least not from Hawkingbird shippers (less can be said for other Clint shippers on that front). The fact people seem seemed to expect her and the kids to die in [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar Civil War]] probably explains that.



*** When they released the first image of Adrianne Palicki as Mockingbird, fan response seemed to be a mix between those complaining about her not being blonbe, to those complaining about her being described as 'Head of HYDRA security, to those telling the others to calm down because its pretty obvious she's undercover.

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*** When they released the first image of Adrianne Palicki as Mockingbird, fan response seemed to be a mix between those complaining about her not being blonbe, blonde, to those complaining about her being described as 'Head of HYDRA security, security', to those telling the others to calm down because its pretty obvious she's undercover.



*** Lance Hunter taking Clint's place as her ex husband in the series also hasn't been particularly well-received, primarily because he acts ''just like Clint'' in their relationship. While many aren't against the idea by itself, writing him as an expy of Clint has put a number of people off.

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*** Lance Hunter taking Clint's place as her ex husband in the series also hasn't been particularly well-received, primarily because he acts ''just like Clint'' in their relationship. While many aren't against the idea by itself, writing him as an expy of Clint has put a number of people off. Cain's run on the series hung a major lampshade on their similarities and mostly had it PlayedForLaughs.



* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Borders on out-of-universe OvershadowedByAwesome; due to not being one of the most well-known Avengers, and not appearing in the MCU until the second season of ''Agents of SHIELD'', Bobbi is a very obscure character, and its not helped by the fact that Marvel have rarely given her much of a solo push independent of Hawkeye. As such, ws well-received as she has been, there's been a VocalMinority of MCU fans who've quickly dismissed her on the grounds she's not Black Widow, and couldn't possibly be as good as Natasha for the simple fact she wasn't introduced with her.

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* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Borders on out-of-universe OvershadowedByAwesome; due to not being one of the most well-known Avengers, and not appearing in the MCU until the second season of ''Agents of SHIELD'', Bobbi is a very obscure character, and its not helped by the fact that Marvel have rarely given her much of a solo push independent of Hawkeye. As such, ws as well-received as she has been, there's been a VocalMinority of MCU fans who've quickly dismissed her on the grounds she's not Black Widow, and couldn't possibly be as good as Natasha for the simple fact she wasn't introduced with her.
20th Oct '16 6:13:53 AM Klaudandus
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* BrokenBase: Mockingbird #8 reveals that [[spoiler: Bobbi wasn't drugged and raped by the Phantom Rider, instead she cheated on Clint with him and just let Clint believe she had been raped, because it was easier for Clint to believe that than to believe that he had been cheated on.]] Rape aside, fans are divided on whether [[spoiler:changing Bobbi from being a strong survivor to a cheating wife]] is a good or bad thing.

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* BrokenBase: Mockingbird #8 reveals that [[spoiler: Bobbi wasn't drugged and raped by the Phantom Rider, instead she cheated on Clint with him and just let Clint believe she had been raped, because it was easier for Clint to believe that than to believe that he had been cheated on.]] Rape aside, fans are divided on whether [[spoiler:changing this is a good or bad thing as some feel this changes Bobbi from [[spoiler:from being a strong survivor to a cheating wife]] is a good or bad thing.wife]].
20th Oct '16 5:57:05 AM Klaudandus
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* BrokenBase: Mockingbird #8 reveals that [[spoiler: Bobbi wasn't drugged and raped by the Phantom Rider, instead she cheated on Clint with him and just let Clint believe she had been raped, because it was easier for Clint to believe that than to believe that he had been cheated on.]] Rape aside, fans are divided on whether [[spoiler:changing Bobbi from being a strong survivor to a cheating wife]] is a good or bad thing.
26th Sep '16 11:16:25 PM hitmonkey
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** She was also this in ''ComicBook/SecretAvengers''; despite having almost no advertisements and being one of the only three characters in the story who weren't in the films yet despite the vary blatant pandering to film fans (the other two being Taskmaster and Daisy Johnson, both of whom were no slouches in fan acceptance either), she easily attracted the most fan attention due to being a fun character who got a good few moments to shine in the earlier issues. She arguably became the BreakoutCharacter due to the amount of focus she got later, including an arc focusing on her, but this lead to her being PutOnTheBus when a creative team change happened.

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** She was also this in ''ComicBook/SecretAvengers''; despite having almost no advertisements and being one of the only three characters in the story who weren't in the films yet despite the vary blatant pandering to film fans (the other two being Taskmaster and Daisy Johnson, both of whom were no slouches in fan acceptance either), she easily attracted the most fan attention due to being a fun character who got a good few moments to shine in the earlier issues. She arguably became the BreakoutCharacter due to the amount of focus she got later, including an arc focusing on her, but this lead to her being ended when she was PutOnTheBus when a creative team change happened.
8th Jul '16 1:22:16 PM EmperorNorton
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Jim McCann and Brian Michael Bendis essentially reinvented Bobbi when she reappeared following ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion''. She had not been well-served by her previous arcs in the 1980s, but McCann in particular reinforced her espionage training and ruthlessness.
21st Feb '16 8:55:43 PM nombretomado
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* DieForOurShip: Because ''Film/TheAvengers'' has been so successful, and as such been seen by many who never read the comics, Bobbi has recently been getting slated by fans of [[PortmanteauCoupleName BlackHawk]] for the slight of being Clint's wife in the comics. From being villainized to becoming an AlphaBitch in HighSchoolAU fics, its now almost impossible to find a fanfic that includes Bobbi that doesn't involve her being attacked and bashed, sadly. Likely this will be migted somewhat by her joining ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''

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* DieForOurShip: Because ''Film/TheAvengers'' ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' has been so successful, and as such been seen by many who never read the comics, Bobbi has recently been getting slated by fans of [[PortmanteauCoupleName BlackHawk]] for the slight of being Clint's wife in the comics. From being villainized to becoming an AlphaBitch in HighSchoolAU fics, its now almost impossible to find a fanfic that includes Bobbi that doesn't involve her being attacked and bashed, sadly. Likely this will be migted somewhat by her joining ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''
16th Feb '16 4:52:20 PM ablackraptor
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WTHCostumingDepartment: Her AllNewAllDifferentMarvel redesign hasn't been well received, and many are hoping it gets dropped before her ongoing starts. It seems to be an attempt to make her look more like a bird, but instead it looks like an awkward attempt at redesigning a [[GenderBender Rule 63]] Nightwing. Strangely, Bobbi's look in ''Agents of SHIELD'' has been reasonably well received (if with a few critics), so you'd think they'd model the design after ''that''.

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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Her AllNewAllDifferentMarvel redesign hasn't been well received, and many are hoping it gets dropped before her ongoing starts.received. It seems to be an attempt to make her look more like a bird, but instead it looks like an awkward attempt at redesigning a [[GenderBender Rule 63]] Nightwing. Strangely, Bobbi's look in ''Agents of SHIELD'' has been reasonably well received (if with a few critics), so you'd think they'd model the design after ''that''. This has faded a bit as the design became more streamlined prior to her ongoing starting.
8th Jan '16 5:55:44 PM nombretomado
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** Saying that, some Clint/Bobbi fans have not taken kindly to [[SpiderWoman Jessica moving in on him.]] Its generally not so bad, since a lot of them liked her before Bendis began pairing the two, they just want her out of the way. Doesn't help that Jess is replacing her on the Secret Avengers, and its been confirmed that there's no plans with her right now, meaning she's stuck in limbo before someone brings her back.

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** Saying that, some Clint/Bobbi fans have not taken kindly to [[SpiderWoman [[ComicBook/SpiderWoman Jessica moving in on him.]] Its generally not so bad, since a lot of them liked her before Bendis began pairing the two, they just want her out of the way. Doesn't help that Jess is replacing her on the Secret Avengers, and its been confirmed that there's no plans with her right now, meaning she's stuck in limbo before someone brings her back.
7th Oct '15 5:35:05 PM ablackraptor
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*** Interestingly though, Hawkeye's wife has not received much hatred, or at least not as vocal of hatred as those against Lance Hunter.

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*** Interestingly though, Hawkeye's wife has not received much hatred, or at least not as vocal of hatred as those against Lance Hunter. Hunter, at least not from Hawkingbird shippers (less can be said for other Clint shippers on that front). The fact people seem to expect her and the kids to die in [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar Civil War]] probably explains that.



* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Borders on out-of-universe OvershadowedByAwesome; due to not being one of the most well-known Avengers, and not appearing in the MCU until the second season of ''Agents of SHIELD'', Bobbi is a very obscure character, and its not helped by the fact that Marvel have rarely given her much of a solo push independent of Hawkeye. As such, ws well-received as she has been, there's been a VocalMinority of MCU fans who've quickly dismissed her on the grounds she's not Black Widow, and couldn't possibly be as good as Natasha for the simple fact she wasn't introduced with her.[[/folder]]

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* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Borders on out-of-universe OvershadowedByAwesome; due to not being one of the most well-known Avengers, and not appearing in the MCU until the second season of ''Agents of SHIELD'', Bobbi is a very obscure character, and its not helped by the fact that Marvel have rarely given her much of a solo push independent of Hawkeye. As such, ws well-received as she has been, there's been a VocalMinority of MCU fans who've quickly dismissed her on the grounds she's not Black Widow, and couldn't possibly be as good as Natasha for the simple fact she wasn't introduced with her.her.
WTHCostumingDepartment: Her AllNewAllDifferentMarvel redesign hasn't been well received, and many are hoping it gets dropped before her ongoing starts. It seems to be an attempt to make her look more like a bird, but instead it looks like an awkward attempt at redesigning a [[GenderBender Rule 63]] Nightwing. Strangely, Bobbi's look in ''Agents of SHIELD'' has been reasonably well received (if with a few critics), so you'd think they'd model the design after ''that''.
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