History YMMV / Mockingbird

8th Apr '18 2:33:32 PM Klaudandus
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** Mockingbird #8 reveals that [[spoiler: Bobbi wasn't drugged and raped by the Phantom Rider, instead she cheated on Clint with him and just let Clint believe she had been raped, because it was easier for Clint to believe that than to believe that he had been cheated on.]] Rape aside, fans are divided on whether this is a good or bad thing as some feel this changes Bobbi [[spoiler:from being a strong survivor to a cheating wife. In addition, Bobbi casually waves off the fact that she killed Phantom Rider despite their encounter now being consensual.]] - on the other hand, others think this erases a somewhat cheap piece of RapeAsDrama.

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** Mockingbird #8 reveals that [[spoiler: Bobbi wasn't drugged and raped by the Phantom Rider, instead she cheated on Clint with him and just let Clint believe she had been raped, because it was easier for Clint to believe that than to believe that he had been cheated on.]] Rape aside, fans are divided on whether this is a good or bad thing as some feel this changes Bobbi [[spoiler:from being a strong survivor to a cheating wife. In addition, Bobbi casually waves off the fact that she killed Phantom Rider despite their encounter now being consensual.]] - on the other hand, others think this erases a somewhat cheap piece of RapeAsDrama.RapeAsDrama, even if the execution was botched.
25th Mar '18 4:05:30 PM ablackraptor
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* BrokenBase: Mockingbird #8 reveals that [[spoiler: Bobbi wasn't drugged and raped by the Phantom Rider, instead she cheated on Clint with him and just let Clint believe she had been raped, because it was easier for Clint to believe that than to believe that he had been cheated on.]] Rape aside, fans are divided on whether this is a good or bad thing as some feel this changes Bobbi [[spoiler:from being a strong survivor to a cheating wife. In addition, Bobbi casually waves off the fact that she killed Phantom Rider depite their encounter being consensual.]] - on the other hand, others think this erases a somewhat cheap piece of RapeAsDrama.

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Mockingbird #8 reveals that [[spoiler: Bobbi wasn't drugged and raped by the Phantom Rider, instead she cheated on Clint with him and just let Clint believe she had been raped, because it was easier for Clint to believe that than to believe that he had been cheated on.]] Rape aside, fans are divided on whether this is a good or bad thing as some feel this changes Bobbi [[spoiler:from being a strong survivor to a cheating wife. In addition, Bobbi casually waves off the fact that she killed Phantom Rider depite despite their encounter now being consensual.]] - on the other hand, others think this erases a somewhat cheap piece of RapeAsDrama.
** In general, Bobbi's recent 'feminist' take has been controversial, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement as to be expected]]. Following Chelsea Cain's brief run, the character became ''very'' vocally feminist, sometimes to a StrawFeminist level, in her appearances in other books like ''ComicBook/DanSlottSpiderMan'' and ''UnstoppableWasp''. As such some fans (either due to agreeing with the politics or simply [[EnsembleDarkhorse already adoring her character prior to this political push]]) like this about her, while others (either due to being anti-feminist or even feminists/social justice advocates who dislike the handling of this aspect) ''really'' dislike this. Cain's ongoing and Slott's Spider-Man are particularly sour points.



*** Connected to the above, there's a similar issue her fanbase has brought up, concerning the lack of any solo outings for her. Despite over forty years of publication, positive reception to all of her appearances, and now her appearing regularly on TV, Bobbi has ''never'' had an ongoing, or even a miniseries, just dedicated to her. This is at least migated in 2015 where, following her appearances in ''Agents of SHIELD'', she's now getting several action figures, a one-shot special, and now an ongoing following the success of said one-shot, ignoring the dozens of heroins that were
*** Unfortunately for fans the solo comic was canceled after only a few issues. Critics of the comic site poor pacing as its major flaw. There was a BrokenBase over whether the feminist take on the character was good or not.

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*** Connected to the above, there's a similar issue her fanbase has brought up, concerning the lack of any solo outings for her. Despite over forty years of publication, positive reception to all of her appearances, and now her appearing regularly on TV, Bobbi has ''never'' had an ongoing, or even a miniseries, just dedicated to her. This is at least migated in 2015 where, following her appearances in ''Agents of SHIELD'', she's now getting several action figures, a one-shot special, and now an ongoing following the success of said one-shot, ignoring the dozens of heroins that were
one-shot.
*** Unfortunately for fans the solo comic was canceled after only a few issues. Critics of the comic site poor pacing as its major flaw. There was a BrokenBase over whether the feminist take on Conversely, the character was good or not.received some significant HypeBacklash after this push thanks to the feminist tone of the series. Even to this day some anti-social justice fans express a lot of bitter ridicule towards the series.
9th Sep '17 3:42:40 PM TitoMosquito
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** Secret Avengers has her being left behind on AIM Island with no one but Hill, Coulson, and Taskmaster knowing she's there while she has no memory, but this gets topped in #13 by the way she acts while Taskmaster tries to get her off the island. Even at her most distraught, Bobbi's always had emotion, be it cocky bluntness or raging anger, but after Forsen's apparently had her undergo serious MindRape, she's just, blank. She doesn't respond to anything anyone says, has a ThousandMileStare at the sand while cuddling her knees like a scared little girl. This confident, cocky fighter being reduced to such a broken figure, its frightening to say the least, and only topped [[spoiler: at the end, when under Forsen's control, she shoots Taskmaster dead.]]

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** Secret Avengers has her being left behind on AIM Island with no one but Hill, Coulson, and Taskmaster knowing she's there while she has no memory, but this gets topped in #13 by the way she acts while Taskmaster tries to get her off the island. Even at her most distraught, Bobbi's always had emotion, be it cocky bluntness or raging anger, but after Forsen's apparently had her undergo serious MindRape, she's just, blank. She doesn't respond to anything anyone says, has a ThousandMileStare ThousandYardStare at the sand while cuddling her knees like a scared little girl. This confident, cocky fighter being reduced to such a broken figure, its frightening to say the least, and only topped [[spoiler: at the end, when under Forsen's control, she shoots Taskmaster dead.]]
31st Jul '17 2:25:23 AM Doctor_Doom
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* BrokenBase: Mockingbird #8 reveals that [[spoiler: Bobbi wasn't drugged and raped by the Phantom Rider, instead she cheated on Clint with him and just let Clint believe she had been raped, because it was easier for Clint to believe that than to believe that he had been cheated on.]] Rape aside, fans are divided on whether this is a good or bad thing as some feel this changes Bobbi [[spoiler:from being a strong survivor to a cheating wife. In addition, Bobbi casually waves off the fact that Clint killed Phantom Rider over this]] - on the other hand, others think this erases a somewhat cheap piece of RapeAsDrama.

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* BrokenBase: Mockingbird #8 reveals that [[spoiler: Bobbi wasn't drugged and raped by the Phantom Rider, instead she cheated on Clint with him and just let Clint believe she had been raped, because it was easier for Clint to believe that than to believe that he had been cheated on.]] Rape aside, fans are divided on whether this is a good or bad thing as some feel this changes Bobbi [[spoiler:from being a strong survivor to a cheating wife. In addition, Bobbi casually waves off the fact that Clint she killed Phantom Rider over this]] depite their encounter being consensual.]] - on the other hand, others think this erases a somewhat cheap piece of RapeAsDrama.
31st Jul '17 2:13:57 AM Doctor_Doom
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* BrokenBase: Mockingbird #8 reveals that [[spoiler: Bobbi wasn't drugged and raped by the Phantom Rider, instead she cheated on Clint with him and just let Clint believe she had been raped, because it was easier for Clint to believe that than to believe that he had been cheated on.]] Rape aside, fans are divided on whether this is a good or bad thing as some feel this changes Bobbi [[spoiler:from being a strong survivor to a cheating wife]] - on the other hand, others think this erases a somewhat cheap piece of RapeAsDrama.

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* BrokenBase: Mockingbird #8 reveals that [[spoiler: Bobbi wasn't drugged and raped by the Phantom Rider, instead she cheated on Clint with him and just let Clint believe she had been raped, because it was easier for Clint to believe that than to believe that he had been cheated on.]] Rape aside, fans are divided on whether this is a good or bad thing as some feel this changes Bobbi [[spoiler:from being a strong survivor to a cheating wife]] wife. In addition, Bobbi casually waves off the fact that Clint killed Phantom Rider over this]] - on the other hand, others think this erases a somewhat cheap piece of RapeAsDrama.
31st Jul '17 2:07:29 AM Doctor_Doom
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** NarmCharm: On the other hand the idea of feminist zombie pirates is so ridiculous it works it manages to be great.
30th Jul '17 9:12:44 AM grammy
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** After just one episode of ''Agents of SHIELD'', she's now gained a lot of popularity as a potential partner for [[{{Adorkable}} Jemma Simmons]].



* TearJerker: Bobbi's mother being shot and her brother refusing to let her see her unless she gives up her life as a spy.

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Bobbi's mother being shot and her brother refusing to let her see her unless she gives up her life as a spy.
28th Jul '17 10:39:29 AM grammy
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* TheWoobie: Caitlin, Michael, a few others.[[/folder]]

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* TheWoobie: Caitlin, Michael, a few others.[[/folder]]
28th Jul '17 10:39:14 AM grammy
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!YMMV tropes for the comic book ''Comicbook/{{Mockingbird}}''

* AuthorsSavingThrow: Jim [=McCann=] and Brian Michael Bendis essentially reinvented Bobbi when she reappeared following ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion''. She had not been well-served by her previous arcs in the 1980s, but McCann in particular reinforced her espionage training and ruthlessness.

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!YMMV tropes for
!!For the Marvel comic book ''Comicbook/{{Mockingbird}}''

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Jim [=McCann=] and Brian Michael Bendis essentially reinvented Bobbi when she reappeared following ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion''. She had not been well-served by her previous arcs in the 1980s, but McCann [=McCann=] in particular reinforced her espionage training and ruthlessness.



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!YMMV Tropes for the Kathryn Erskine book ''Literature/{{Mockingbird}}''

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27th Jul '17 7:19:50 PM hitmonkey
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* Narm: [[https://i2.wp.com/themarvelreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/mockingbird-8-g.png The feminist zombie pirates]] in her recent series, who complain that they are not allowed to kill her because they think that's sexist.

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* Narm: {{Narm}}: [[https://i2.wp.com/themarvelreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/mockingbird-8-g.png The feminist zombie pirates]] in her recent series, who complain that they are not allowed to kill her because they think that's sexist.sexist.
** NarmCharm: On the other hand the idea of feminist zombie pirates is so ridiculous it works it manages to be great.
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