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* AmericansHateTingle: Specifically, Americans really, ''really'' loathe one particular character who is popular in Japan. Man, who could that be? [[spoiler: Shinn Asuka.]]
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* AmericansHateTingle: Specifically, Americans American Gundam fans really, ''really'' loathe one particular character who is popular in Japan. Man, who could that be? [[spoiler: Shinn Asuka.]]
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* AmericansHateTingle: Specifically, Americans really, ''really'' loathe one particular character. Man, who could that be? [[spoiler: Shinn Asuka.]]
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** Morosawa was rumored to have cosplayed as Lacus at various anime conventions in Japan, and got her husband to cosplay as Kira. [[http://mirror.enha.kr/wiki/%EB%AA%A8%EB%A1%9C%EC%82%AC%EC%99%80%20%EC%B9%98%EC%95%84%ED%82%A4 Here's a fan-made pic of them]] to see what they look like.
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** Morosawa was rumored to have cosplayed as Lacus at various anime conventions in Japan, and got her husband to cosplay as Kira. [[http://mirror.enha.kr/wiki/%EB%AA%A8%EB%A1%9C%EC%82%AC%EC%99%80%20%EC%B9%98%EC%95%84%ED%82%A4 Here's a fan-made pic of them]] to see what they would look like.
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** KenichiSuzumura-the Japanese actor for Shinn-has stated that he considers the ''SuperRobotWarsZ'' incarnation of Shinn "The ''True'' Shinn Asuka" as far as he's concerned.
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** KenichiSuzumura-the KenichiSuzumura - the Japanese actor for Shinn-has Shinn - has stated that he considers the ''SuperRobotWarsZ'' incarnation of Shinn "The ''True'' Shinn Asuka" as far as he's concerned.
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* PanderingToTheBase: One of the more probable reasons why Kira was thrust back into the spotlight from episode 39 onwards, was because he was (and still is) the one of the most popular characters in SEED, and perhaps, in the Gundam franchise.
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* BetterOnDVD: Many of the artistic changes seen in the [[CompilationMovie Special Edition movies]] were originally present in the DVD release.
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* GoodTroiEpisode: A lot of people, even those that are ridiculously critical of this series, can find praise in the side-story ''Gundam SEED Destiny Stargazer''. It tends to do well in ''SuperRobotWars'' too, due to the FixFic nature of that franchise.
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* FashionVictimVillain: Lord Djibril. The man is running around in ''pajamas'' for crying out loud. Ditto Yuna.
* GoodTroiEpisode: A lot of people, even those that are ridiculously critical of this series, can find praise in the side-story ''Gundam SEED Destiny Stargazer''. It tends to do well in ''SuperRobotWars''too, too (as Shinn's seiyuu can attest), due to the FixFic nature of that franchise.
* GoodTroiEpisode: A lot of people, even those that are ridiculously critical of this series, can find praise in the side-story ''Gundam SEED Destiny Stargazer''. It tends to do well in ''SuperRobotWars''
* MemeticMutation: "I see where you're coming from, but ''Cagalli is '''crying!'''''"
** "[[PaperThinDisguise Alex Dino]], he is an ATHRUN."
** "[[PaperThinDisguise Alex Dino]], he is an ATHRUN."
* MST3KMantra: Towards the last third of the series, [[SurvivalMantra recite the mantra as often as possible]].
* RunningTheAsylum[=/=]TroubledProduction: Very much describes the second half to the final thirds of the series, production-wise. Arguably the cause of a lot of the problems, especially the haphazard pacing, facing the series.
* ScapegoatCreator: The level of hatred that the most rabid anti-fans deliver towards Fukuda and Morosawa sometimes reaches disturbing levels. It doesn't help that they have a reputation as {{Lying Creator}}s that may be entirely due to poor fan translations of the relevant interviews.
* ScapegoatCreator: The level of hatred that the most rabid anti-fans deliver towards Fukuda and Morosawa sometimes reaches disturbing levels. It doesn't help that they have a reputation as {{Lying Creator}}s that may be entirely due to poor fan translations of the relevant interviews.
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* WhatAnIdiot: While most instances can be easily disputed, Athrun has a severe case of AesopAmnesia that causes him to make poor decisions in situations where fans think he should have known better. However, Athrun's PatrioticFervor may have also been a factor in the amnesia's onset.
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Stellar once she's forced into a [[AttackOfTheFiftyFootWhatever Destroy Gundam]]. She starts tearing up the countryside, blowing up cities and killing scores of people... because they ''scare'' her.
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Stellar once she's forced into a [[AttackOfTheFiftyFootWhatever Destroy Gundam]]. She starts tearing up the countryside, blowing up cities and killing scores of people... because they ''scare'' her.
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* PuritySue / GodModeSue: Let's not name names.
** Let's. Kira is [[FanNickname referred]] to as Jesus Yamato by his detractors. Kira & Lacus are derisively referred to as "[[AuthorAvatar The Fukudas]]" due to their MarySue tendencies.
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* PuritySue / GodModeSue: Let's not name names.
** Let's.names. Kira is [[FanNickname referred]] to as Jesus Yamato by his detractors. Kira & Lacus are derisively referred to as "[[AuthorAvatar The Fukudas]]" due to their MarySue tendencies.
** Let's.
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* AuthorAvatar: Kira & Lacus for Fukuda & Morosawa.Morosawa, respectively.
** Morosawa was rumored to have cosplayed as Lacus at various anime conventions in Japan, and got her husband to cosplay as Kira. [[http://mirror.enha.kr/wiki/%EB%AA%A8%EB%A1%9C%EC%82%AC%EC%99%80%20%EC%B9%98%EC%95%84%ED%82%A4 Here's a fan-made pic of them]] to see what they look like.
** Morosawa was rumored to have cosplayed as Lacus at various anime conventions in Japan, and got her husband to cosplay as Kira. [[http://mirror.enha.kr/wiki/%EB%AA%A8%EB%A1%9C%EC%82%AC%EC%99%80%20%EC%B9%98%EC%95%84%ED%82%A4 Here's a fan-made pic of them]] to see what they look like.
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* FanNickname:
** Jesus Yamato, due to Kira's apparent [[OmniscientMoralityLicense infallibility in moral questions]] and immortality.
*** Where would Jesus Yamato be without the aid of his Virgin Mary Clyne?
** Also Darth Shinn/Darth Asuka and Chancellor Gilpatine for Gilbert Durandal, thanks to their [[YourMileageMayVary portrayal / Character Derailment]] in the last ten episodes or so. Similarly, Darth Lacus, after the closing shot in ''Final Plus''?
** Meer Campbell is frequently called "Lacus Clone", for [[BodyDouble obvious reasons]].
** Andrew Waltfield's AceCustom Murasame is known, especially in GundamVSSeries fandom as "Torasame", after Waltfield's RedBaron nickname of Sabaku no Tora/Desert Tiger.
** Director Mitsuo Fukuda is sometimes known as "Flashback 'Em All" or "ClipShow 'Em All'', due to his constant use of flashbacks and recap episodes, and in reference to {{Yoshiyuki Tomino}}'s "KillEmAll" nickname.
** [[spoiler:Mu La Flaga, The Zombie of Endymion]], based on his original RedBaron moniker and the fact he [[spoiler:came back from the dead with nothing more than a cool scar]].
** Captain Todeka is the Gundam Universe's [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Bruce Ironstaunch]] after he [[spoiler:lets the Archangel go after they ''kidnap'' Cagalli and repeatedly taking Yuna to task for his ''grasp'' of tactics]].
** Jesus Yamato, due to Kira's apparent [[OmniscientMoralityLicense infallibility in moral questions]] and immortality.
*** Where would Jesus Yamato be without the aid of his Virgin Mary Clyne?
** Also Darth Shinn/Darth Asuka and Chancellor Gilpatine for Gilbert Durandal, thanks to their [[YourMileageMayVary portrayal / Character Derailment]] in the last ten episodes or so. Similarly, Darth Lacus, after the closing shot in ''Final Plus''?
** Meer Campbell is frequently called "Lacus Clone", for [[BodyDouble obvious reasons]].
** Andrew Waltfield's AceCustom Murasame is known, especially in GundamVSSeries fandom as "Torasame", after Waltfield's RedBaron nickname of Sabaku no Tora/Desert Tiger.
** Director Mitsuo Fukuda is sometimes known as "Flashback 'Em All" or "ClipShow 'Em All'', due to his constant use of flashbacks and recap episodes, and in reference to {{Yoshiyuki Tomino}}'s "KillEmAll" nickname.
** [[spoiler:Mu La Flaga, The Zombie of Endymion]], based on his original RedBaron moniker and the fact he [[spoiler:came back from the dead with nothing more than a cool scar]].
** Captain Todeka is the Gundam Universe's [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Bruce Ironstaunch]] after he [[spoiler:lets the Archangel go after they ''kidnap'' Cagalli and repeatedly taking Yuna to task for his ''grasp'' of tactics]].
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* AdaptationDecay: The manga. The 50-episode series gets condensed into 4 volumes (19 chapters), and becomes incomprehensible at times due to the heavily rushed pacing.
** In director Mitsuo Fukuda's opinion, the renditions of Gundam SEED Destiny in the SuperRobotWars games qualifies as this, judging by an answer to a question made on Twitter.
*** Actually, he was apparently not talking about SuperRobotWars games specifically. He was really talking about games with SEED Destiny in general.
*** ...which can still be interpreted as an attack on SRWZ's take on Destiny, as part of that greater set of "games" he was speaking about.
** In director Mitsuo Fukuda's opinion, the renditions of Gundam SEED Destiny in the SuperRobotWars games qualifies as this, judging by an answer to a question made on Twitter.
*** Actually, he was apparently not talking about SuperRobotWars games specifically. He was really talking about games with SEED Destiny in general.
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* {{Nightmare Fuel}}: [[spoiler:Djibril's vaporization,]] one of the most graphic of such deaths in the franchise.
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* PragmaticAdaptation: The view many fans (and Shinn's voice actor) take to its handling in the ''SuperRobotWars'' games.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Basically nothing about Neo Roanoke's identity is played to its full potential; most of the implications (such as the parallels between his situation and the Destiny Plan) are never even ''addressed''.
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* CompleteMonster: Lord Djibril's plans fail so often that he would have been nothing more than a SmugSnake if not for the fact that he successfully and enthusiastically mass murders hundreds of thousands of civilians with [=WMDs=]. ''Twice''. He even pulled the trigger personally the second time and bragged about having guts to do this.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Despite not getting any actual lines in the series, minor ZAFT pilot Shiho Hahnenfuss managed to gather quite a following. [[AllThereInTheManual She was a major character]] in a {{spinoff}} manga, [[JustifiedTrope so it explains]] this a bit.
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* MissedMomentOfAwesome: Casting MaayaSakamoto as Lunamaria and ''not'' giving her an ImageSong. See also ''GundamWing'' for something similar.
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Of course YMMV; if it didn\'t it wouldn\'t be on this page
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* CharacterDerailment: It's been argued for most everybody, depending on what you think their characterization was in the first place. See AlternativeCharacterInterpretation, above.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The debatable quality of the series does ''not'' extend to the background music, which is some of the best composed for anime with a seamless combination of orchestral, electronic, rock, and cloral numbers. The theme songs are no slouches either (with the arguable exception of the 4th opening).
** The 4th opening's actually remarkably good, it's just not a song for an ''opening''.
* DecoyProtagonist: Shinn and Kira may both be this for Athrun. YourMileageMayVary.
* DieForOurShip: It's hard to know which girl of the Athrun Harem takes more bashing from fans of the other girls, though Meer and Meyrin get it particularly hard. Not even Cagalli was safe.
* FanonDiscontinuity: As far as some fans are concerned, this series never happened.
* HostileShowTakeover: Some profess that Kira becomes the de facto main character, limiting Shinn to a secondary role. As with nearly everything else in ''Destiny'', YourMileageMayVary.
* IdiotPlot: YourMileageMayVary heavily factors in.
* {{Narm}}: Shinn constantly angsting over his [[DeadLittleSister dead sister's]] [[OrphansPlotTrinket cell phone]].
* {{Nightmare Fuel}}: [[spoiler: Djibril's vaporization,]] one of the most graphic of such deaths in the franchise.
* PuritySue / GodModeSue: Let's not name names. [[YourMileageMayVary Standard disclaimer]] applies.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The debatable quality of the series does ''not'' extend to the background music, which is some of the best composed for anime with a seamless combination of orchestral, electronic, rock, and cloral numbers. The theme songs are no slouches either (with the arguable exception of the 4th opening).
** The 4th opening's actually remarkably good, it's just not a song for an ''opening''.
* DecoyProtagonist: Shinn and Kira may both be this for Athrun. YourMileageMayVary.
* DieForOurShip: It's hard to know which girl of the Athrun Harem takes more bashing from fans of the other girls, though Meer and Meyrin get it particularly hard. Not even Cagalli was safe.
* FanonDiscontinuity: As far as some fans are concerned, this series never happened.
* HostileShowTakeover: Some profess that Kira becomes the de facto main character, limiting Shinn to a secondary role. As with nearly everything else in ''Destiny'', YourMileageMayVary.
* IdiotPlot: YourMileageMayVary heavily factors in.
* {{Narm}}: Shinn constantly angsting over his [[DeadLittleSister dead sister's]] [[OrphansPlotTrinket cell phone]].
* {{Nightmare Fuel}}: [[spoiler: Djibril's vaporization,]] one of the most graphic of such deaths in the franchise.
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* ReplacementScrappy: Shinn, who seems to have been an attempt at creating a [[DarkerAndEdgier darker, more conflicted]] Kira. [[InternetBackdraft It didn't work]]. Or more accurately, the production crew mistook being less popular than Kira for being outright hated, despite Shinn consistently ranking just behind the top stars of SEED in popularity polls (and ahead of fan favorite secondary characters like Yzak), even after the kid's CharacterDerailment was in full swing.
** There's some indications that many of the ''staff'' hated Shinn. With the exception of the Head Writer...
* {{Sequelitis}}: Once again, YourMileageMayVary.
* TheScrappy: The BrokenBase may fight over just about every aspect of ''Destiny'', but just about nobody on either side likes the DOM Trooper pilots. Poor characterization plus overuse of Zeon [[{{Expy}} Expies]] equals [[MobileSuitGundam Black Tri-Stars]] clones who spout lines like "You'd have to be pretty messed up to disagree with Lacus-sama!" Shinn fans hate them for being one-dimensional zealots, while Kira fans hate them for [[NotHelpingYourCase Not Helping Their Case]].
* SnarkBait: As with everything else about this series, YourMileageMayVary.
** There's some indications that many of the ''staff'' hated Shinn. With the exception of the Head Writer...
* {{Sequelitis}}: Once again, YourMileageMayVary.
* TheScrappy: The BrokenBase may fight over just about every aspect of ''Destiny'', but just about nobody on either side likes the DOM Trooper pilots. Poor characterization plus overuse of Zeon [[{{Expy}} Expies]] equals [[MobileSuitGundam Black Tri-Stars]] clones who spout lines like "You'd have to be pretty messed up to disagree with Lacus-sama!" Shinn fans hate them for being one-dimensional zealots, while Kira fans hate them for [[NotHelpingYourCase Not Helping Their Case]].
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* TheScrappy: The BrokenBase may fight over just about every aspect of ''Destiny'', but just about nobody on either side likes the DOM Trooper pilots. Poor characterization plus overuse of Zeon [[{{Expy}} Expies]] equals [[MobileSuitGundam Black Tri-Stars]] clones who spout lines like "You'd have to be pretty messed up to disagree with Lacus-sama!" Shinn fans hate them for being one-dimensional zealots, while Kira fans hate them for [[NotHelpingYourCase Not Helping Their Case]].
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* CharacterAlignment:
** LawfulEvil: Durandal, Rey
** LawfulNeutral: Athrun, becomes NeutralGood
** NeutralGood: Kira, Lacus
** NeutralEvil: Neo
** ChaoticEvil: Djibril
** LawfulEvil: Durandal, Rey
** LawfulNeutral: Athrun, becomes NeutralGood
** NeutralGood: Kira, Lacus
** NeutralEvil: Neo
** ChaoticEvil: Djibril
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** Let's. Kira is [[FanNickname referred]] to as Jesus Yamato by his detractors. Kira & Lacus are derisively referred to as "[[AuthorAvatar The Fukudas]]" due to their MarySue tendencies.
** Let's. Kira is [[FanNickname referred]] to as Jesus Yamato by his detractors. Kira & Lacus are derisively referred to as "[[AuthorAvatar The Fukudas]]" due to their MarySue tendencies.
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** Let's. Kira is [[FanNickname referred]] to as Jesus Yamato by his detractors. Kira & Lacus are derisively referred to as "[[AuthorAvatar The Fukudas]]" due to their MarySue tendencies.
** Let's. Kira is [[FanNickname referred]] to as Jesus Yamato by his detractors. Kira & Lacus are derisively referred to as "[[AuthorAvatar The Fukudas]]" due to their MarySue tendencies.
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** Let's.applies. Kira is [[FanNickname referred]] to as Jesus Yamato by his detractors. Kira & Lacus are derisively referred to as "[[AuthorAvatar The Fukudas]]" due to their MarySue tendencies.
** Let's.
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** Let's. For starters, Kira is [[FanNickname referred]] to as Jesus Yamato by his detractors. Kira & Lacus are derisively referred to as "[[AuthorAvatar The Fukudas]]" due to their MarySue tendencies.
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** Let's. For starters, Kira is [[FanNickname referred]] to as Jesus Yamato by his detractors. Kira & Lacus are derisvely referred to as "[[AuthorAvatar The Fukudas]]" due to their MarySue tendencies.
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