History YMMV / MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny

24th Apr '16 2:14:43 AM SSJMagus
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Ridiculously common. Notable examples are Durandal (either a villainous MagnificentBastard able to twist nearly any circumstance to his goal of [[TakeOverTheWorld Domination]] or a WellIntentionedExtremist trying to bring peace to the world), Lacus (either a PuritySue played sickeningly straight or a Machiavellian VillainWithGoodPublicity using the two most badass people on the planet to TakeOverTheWorld ''or'' a genuinely decent person who's the only hope the world has for peace) and Shinn (either a [[TheBerserker borderline psychotic]] {{Wangst}} factory, or TheWoobie engaging in AgeAppropriateAngst while suffering through a TraumaCongaLine).

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Ridiculously common. Notable examples are Durandal (either a villainous MagnificentBastard able to twist nearly any circumstance to his goal of [[TakeOverTheWorld Domination]] or a WellIntentionedExtremist trying to bring peace to the world), world...or maybe a bit of both), Lacus (either a PuritySue played sickeningly straight or a Machiavellian VillainWithGoodPublicity using the two most badass people on the planet to TakeOverTheWorld ''or'' a genuinely decent person who's the only hope the world has for peace) and Shinn (either a [[TheBerserker borderline psychotic]] {{Wangst}} factory, or TheWoobie engaging in AgeAppropriateAngst while suffering through a TraumaCongaLine).
24th Apr '16 2:13:50 AM SSJMagus
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** Although she was present in ''Gundam Seed'', the fact that Shiho appeared more frequently in this show upped her popularity and really kick-started the Yzak/Shiho fanbase. Prior to this, fans of Yzak looking to pair him with someone tended to do so with either [[HoYay Dearka]], Fllay (simply due to the fact that she was the only major female character he was around late in the series), or even [[CrackPairing Cagalli]]. Once people started noticing Shiho, she quickly became the favorite for Yzak, and the other pairings were largely forgotten.

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** Although she was present in ''Gundam Seed'', SEED'', the fact that Shiho appeared more frequently in this show upped her popularity and really kick-started the Yzak/Shiho fanbase. Prior to this, fans of Yzak looking to pair him with someone tended to do so with either [[HoYay Dearka]], Fllay (simply due to the fact that she was the only major female character he was around late in the series), or even [[CrackPairing Cagalli]]. Once people started noticing Shiho, she quickly became the favorite for Yzak, and the other pairings were largely forgotten.



** During one of her first sorties with the Impulse, Luna has an opportunity to destroy a shuttle carrying a fleeing Djibril into space. [[spoiler:She misses and he escapes]]. This ''one'' thing has eternally defined her character for some people, though it was already established in episode 7 that Luna was a lousy shot during her target practice sessions.

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** During one of her first sorties with the Impulse, Luna has an opportunity to destroy a shuttle carrying a fleeing Djibril into space. [[spoiler:She misses and he escapes]]. This ''one'' thing has eternally defined her character for some people, though it was already established in episode 7 that Luna was a lousy shot during her target practice sessions. (Which makes it more Talia's fault for assigning the long range bombardment weapons to the worst shot of the trio.)



** The episode where the Minerva crew finds the facility that made [[spoiler:the Extended pilots like Sting, Stella, and Auel]], which actually causes Arthur to [[VomitDiscretionShot vomit]].

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** The episode where the Minerva crew finds the facility that made [[spoiler:the Extended pilots like Sting, Stella, and Auel]], complete with video recordings of the process used to make them, which actually causes Arthur to [[VomitDiscretionShot vomit]].



* RonTheDeathEater: Fans who disagree with Kira and Lacus' tactics often forget their motives and try to turn Kira into [[OmnicidalManiac Rau]] 2.0. The ''actual'' Rau 2.0, Rey, also suffers from this at the hands of fans who Flanderise him into an irredeemable bastard, while forgetting his admiration for Durandal, [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions]], and what may have been a genuine friendship with Shinn.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Fans who disagree with Kira and Lacus' tactics often forget their motives and try to turn Kira into [[OmnicidalManiac Rau]] 2.0. The ''actual'' Rau 2.0, Rey, also suffers from this at the hands of fans who Flanderise him into an irredeemable bastard, while forgetting his admiration for Durandal, [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions]], and what may have been a genuine friendship with Shinn. Which ironically demonstrates the flaws in the Destiny Plan that Rey believed in so much; he was genetically identical to Rau yet a distinctly different person.



* TheScrappy: The BrokenBase may fight over just about every aspect of ''Destiny'', but just about nobody on either side likes the DOM Trooper pilots. Poor characterization plus overuse of Zeon [[{{Expy}} Expies]] equals [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Black Tri-Stars]] clones who spout lines like "You'd have to be pretty messed up to disagree with Lacus-sama!" Shinn fans hate them for being one-dimensional zealots, while Kira fans hate them for [[NotHelpingYourCase Not Helping Their Case]].

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* TheScrappy: The BrokenBase may fight over just about every aspect of ''Destiny'', but just about nobody on either side likes the DOM Trooper pilots. Poor characterization plus overuse of Zeon [[{{Expy}} Expies]] equals [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Black Tri-Stars]] clones who spout lines like "You'd have to be pretty messed up to disagree with Lacus-sama!" Shinn fans hate them for being one-dimensional zealots, while Kira fans hate them for [[NotHelpingYourCase Not Helping Their Case]]. Even many Kira fans were left wishing that that Shinn or Luna would subject the DOM pilots to [[KilledOffForReal the Black Tri-Stars treatment]], especially since that would've made the finale seem like less of an unrealistic CurbStompBattle and more like something Kira's side had to actually work for.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Basically nothing about Neo Roanoke's identity is played to its full potential; most of the implications (such as the parallels between his situation and the Destiny Plan) are never even ''addressed''.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Basically nothing about Neo Roanoke's identity is played to its full potential; most of the implications (such as the parallels between his situation and the Destiny Plan) are never even ''addressed''. Nor did they bother to have him become TheAtoner for the horrible things he did while brainwashed, instead just having him go straight back to being [[spoiler:''SEED''-era Mu La Flaga]] as if regaining his old memories caused him to forget all about being Neo.


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** The halfway mark of the series has the Minerva crew discover the lab where the [[{{Tykebomb}} Extended]] were created, and see the records of exactly what horrible things Lord Djibril did to make them. It's treated like a big important moment in the story...that never comes up again.


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*** Captain Todaka's HeroicSacrifice was clearly intended to get Yuna to grow the hell up and stop being a coward. But since Yuna was such a HateSink (few things unite ''SEED Destiny'' fans, but Yuna is one of them, [[TheScrappy in all the worst ways]]), his being given a pathetic death instead was probably just PanderingToTheBase.
15th Apr '16 8:39:20 PM sayaleviathan
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* FunnnyAneurysmMoment: All of those rants about Morosawa ruining the show along with those hoping that she dies of her illness as "punishment" for "ruining" the series" were already seen as [[NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead insensitive and mean-spirited]] after she died in February 2016.

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* FunnnyAneurysmMoment: FunnyAneurysmMoment: All of those rants about Morosawa ruining the show along with those hoping that she dies of her illness as "punishment" for "ruining" the series" were already seen as [[NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead insensitive and mean-spirited]] after she died in February 2016.
15th Apr '16 8:38:20 PM sayaleviathan
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* FunMomentAneurysm: All of those rants about Morosawa ruining the show along with those hoping that she dies of her illness as "punishment" for "ruining" the series" were already seen as [[NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead insensitive and mean-spirited]] after she died in February 2016.

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* FunMomentAneurysm: FunnnyAneurysmMoment: All of those rants about Morosawa ruining the show along with those hoping that she dies of her illness as "punishment" for "ruining" the series" were already seen as [[NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead insensitive and mean-spirited]] after she died in February 2016.
15th Apr '16 8:37:35 PM sayaleviathan
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* FunnyMomentAneurysm: All of those rants about Morosawa ruining the show along with those hoping that she dies of her illness as "punishment" for "ruining" the series" were already seen as [[NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead insensitive and mean-spirited]] after she died in February 2016.

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* FunnyMomentAneurysm: FunMomentAneurysm: All of those rants about Morosawa ruining the show along with those hoping that she dies of her illness as "punishment" for "ruining" the series" were already seen as [[NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead insensitive and mean-spirited]] after she died in February 2016.
15th Apr '16 8:37:13 PM sayaleviathan
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* FunnyMomentAneurysm: All of those rants about Morosawa ruining the show along with those hoping that she dies of her illness as "punishment" for "ruining" the series" were already seen as [[NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead insensitive and mean-spirited]] after she died in February 2016.
19th Mar '16 9:48:29 PM Fiver2
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* FanPreferredCouple: This show [[ShipSinking sank]] ''both'' Dearka/Miriallia and Athrun/Cagalli. Considering that both of those pairings were quite popular among the fandom during the first show's run, the [[InternetBackdraft reaction]] was predictable. Athrun/Cagalli are by far the most loved pairing when it comes to sheer number of fanfic written about them. As for Dearka & Miriallia, the first thing she said upon rejoining the ''Archangel'' was that she dumped him. The fandom's solution is to have them make up after the series ending and get back together again, if fanfic is any indication.

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* FanPreferredCouple: This show [[ShipSinking sank]] ''both'' Dearka/Miriallia and Athrun/Cagalli. Considering that both of those pairings were quite popular among the fandom during the first show's run, the [[InternetBackdraft reaction]] was predictable. Athrun/Cagalli are by far the most loved pairing when it comes to sheer number of fanfic written about them. As for Dearka & Miriallia, the first thing she said upon rejoining the ''Archangel'' was that she dumped him. The fandom's solution is to have them make up after the series ending and get back together again, if fanfic is any indication.
14th Mar '16 7:03:06 AM Wolfberries
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* WhatAnIdiot: While most instances can be easily disputed, Athrun has a severe case of AesopAmnesia that causes him to make poor decisions in situations where fans think he should have known better. However, Athrun's PatrioticFervor and PTSD may have also been a factor in the amnesia's onset.

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* WhatAnIdiot: While most instances can be easily disputed, Athrun has a severe case of AesopAmnesia that causes him to make poor decisions in situations where fans think he should have known better. However, Athrun's PatrioticFervor and PTSD may have also been a factor in the amnesia's onset. It's kind of justified from the writer's perspective (a major theme in Destiny was how people can commit the same mistake repeatedly), but whether it's handled ''well'' is a subject of furious debate.
19th Dec '15 12:52:22 PM LovePsychothefirst
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* WhatAnIdiot: While most instances can be easily disputed, Athrun has a severe case of AesopAmnesia that causes him to make poor decisions in situations where fans think he should have known better. However, Athrun's PatrioticFervor may have also been a factor in the amnesia's onset.

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* WhatAnIdiot: While most instances can be easily disputed, Athrun has a severe case of AesopAmnesia that causes him to make poor decisions in situations where fans think he should have known better. However, Athrun's PatrioticFervor and PTSD may have also been a factor in the amnesia's onset.
19th Dec '15 12:50:05 PM LovePsychothefirst
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* [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliance]]: [[spoiler: Gladys' son being mentioned only at the end makes sense when you take into consideration she only left Durandal for some unnamed guy because she wanted to conceive. As such it's possible that as she regrets leaving Durandal she has conflicted feelings about her son]].

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* [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliance]]: [[spoiler: Brilliance]]:
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Gladys' son being mentioned only at the end makes sense when you take into consideration she only left Durandal for some unnamed guy because she wanted to conceive. As such it's possible that as she regrets leaving Durandal she has conflicted feelings about her son]].son]].
** One major reason for Destiny's problems is the WhatAnIdiot tendencies of the cast. Except...not really. First, compared to SEED which didn't reveal the BigBad until later on, Destiny early on reveals who the BigBad is. Second, ''no one in the cast knows this or has enough proof to do anything about it''. Alternatively, they aren't in the right place to do something about anything or already are being manipulated quite thoroughly by said BigBad. Third, aside from the majority of the cast being teenagers, the returning cast also has a lot of PTSD to deal with from the previous war. The idiot tendencies make more sense with a) some of the idiot stuff only seems that way to the audience who knows more and b) no one is very mentally sound due to the previous war and other contributing factors.
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