History YMMV / MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny

26th Mar '17 10:14:41 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* MoralEventHorizon: Djibril and the EA cross it for good when they unleash the Destroy on Eurasia. Durandal crosses it when he uses Requiem to force the rest of the world to fall in line with his plans. In-universe, Neo Roanoke reflects that he crossed his personal MEH when he started brainwashing children for Djibril; parts of the fandom hold that his real MEH is when he puts Stella in the Destroy.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Djibril and the EA cross it for good when they unleash the Destroy on Eurasia. Durandal crosses it when he uses Requiem to force the rest of the world to fall in line with his plans. In-universe, Neo Roanoke reflects that he crossed his personal MEH when he started brainwashing children for Djibril; parts of the fandom hold that his real MEH is when he puts Stella in the Destroy.Djibril.
5th Mar '17 2:08:51 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[AristocratsAreEvil Lord]] {{D|iabolicalMastermind}}jibril is [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Muruta Azrael's]] successor as {{the leader}} of Blue Cosmos and as TheManBehindTheMan to the Atlantic Federation and Earth Alliance Forces, with all of Azrael's FantasticRacism and [[SmugSnake contemptibility]], but [[GeneralFailure none of his intelligence]] or charisma. Having returned Blue Cosmos to its terrorist roots, he has his minions [[WouldHurtAChild perform horrible experiments on children]] (whom he then brainwashed into {{tykebomb}}s), opens the war with a [[NukeEm nuclear assault]] on the colonies, looses the [[WeaponsOfMassDestruction Destroy]] on Eurasia (leading to the deaths of thousands, if not millions, of civilians and the burning of Berlin), personally kills over a million innocents with a WaveMotionGun (while bragging about having the guts to do something like this) and is responsible for turning [[BigBrotherMentor Mu La Flaga]] into [[CriminalAmnesiac Neo Roanoke]]. He exploits the tragedy of the Junius 7 ColonyDrop to start another war, forms a new anti-Coordinator alliance, keeps up Azrael's horrible treatment of the Extended, using PsychoSerum addiction (with fatal withdrawal symptoms) and mental rewrites to maintain their loyalty, and continues the practice of raising kids to be the [[BrainwashedAndCrazy indoctrinated soldiers]] mentioned in ''Stargazer''. Convinced that his own survival is paramount above all else, Djibril [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere regularly abandons his allies]] when the [[DirtyCoward going gets tough]], and entertains plans of [[TakeOverTheWorld ruling the world]] when the war is over. Essentially what happens when you give someone with the personality of a low-functioning [[TheSociopath sociopath]] and [[TheBully jumped-up school bully]] access to unlimited resources and technology, Djibril reacts to every problem with greater and greater amounts of [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill brute force]] and [[MurderIsTheBestSolution indiscriminate murder]], as he tries to simultaneously hang onto his position of power and [[FinalSolution bring down the curtain on the Coordinators as a race]]. He's a combination of [[HairTriggerTemper impotent rage]] and cowardice, but with the [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney money]], [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections influence]], and total immorality to make him horrifying instead of merely pathetic.

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* CompleteMonster: [[AristocratsAreEvil Lord]] {{D|iabolicalMastermind}}jibril [[DiabolicalMastermind Djibril]] is [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Muruta Azrael's]] successor as {{the leader}} of Blue Cosmos and as TheManBehindTheMan to the Atlantic Federation and Earth Alliance Forces, with all of Azrael's successor, with all of his predecessor's FantasticRacism and [[SmugSnake contemptibility]], contemptibility, but [[GeneralFailure none of his intelligence]] or charisma. Having returned Blue Cosmos to its terrorist roots, he has his minions [[WouldHurtAChild perform horrible experiments on children]] (whom children]], whom he then brainwashed into {{tykebomb}}s), ChildSoldiers; opens the war with a [[NukeEm nuclear assault]] assault on the colonies, looses colonies]]; unleashes the [[WeaponsOfMassDestruction Destroy]] on Eurasia (leading Eurasia--leading to the deaths of thousands, if not millions, of civilians and the burning of Berlin), personally Berlin--personally kills over a million innocents with a WaveMotionGun (while while bragging about having the guts to do something like this) this; and is responsible for turning [[BigBrotherMentor Mu La Flaga]] Flaga into [[CriminalAmnesiac Neo Roanoke]]. He exploits the tragedy of the Junius 7 ColonyDrop to start another war, war; forms a new anti-Coordinator alliance, alliance; keeps up Azrael's horrible treatment of the Extended, using PsychoSerum addiction (with addiction-with fatal withdrawal symptoms) and symptoms--and mental rewrites to maintain their loyalty, loyalty; and continues the practice of raising kids to be the [[BrainwashedAndCrazy indoctrinated soldiers]] mentioned in ''Stargazer''. Convinced that his own survival is paramount above all else, Djibril [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere [[DirtyCoward regularly abandons his allies]] allies when the [[DirtyCoward going gets tough]], and entertains plans of [[TakeOverTheWorld ruling the world]] world when the war is over. Essentially what happens when you give someone with the personality of a low-functioning [[TheSociopath sociopath]] {{sociopath}} and [[TheBully jumped-up school bully]] bully access to unlimited resources and technology, Djibril reacts to every problem with greater and greater amounts of [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill brute force]] force and [[MurderIsTheBestSolution indiscriminate murder]], murder, as he tries to simultaneously hang onto his position of power and [[FinalSolution bring down the curtain on the Coordinators as a race]]. He's a combination of [[HairTriggerTemper impotent rage]] rage and cowardice, but with the [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney money]], [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections influence]], money, influence, and total immorality to make him horrifying instead of merely pathetic.
1st Mar '17 9:45:03 PM OmegaNemesis13
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*** While not all of the changes could be retained for the HD Remaster, the latter does it's best to include as much of the material from the Special Editions as it can. This is mostly evident with music introduced in the Special Editions, but also about 90 percent of all of the animation from the Special Editions are used instead of the original broadcast, such as Kira and Shinn's first encounter.
17th Jan '17 5:56:06 AM mega95gox
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** Yzak and Dearka too, to the point where fans wanted them to have a bigger role in the story.
17th Jan '17 5:51:50 AM mega95gox
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** Stella is a downplayed case of this, mainly because her IdiotSavant attitude and BrokenBird backstory have met with mixed reception. [[spoiler:However, a lot of fans are not pleased with Kira not fleeing back to the Archangel immediately and watches both Shinn and Stella from afar instead, which ruins Shinn's attempt in calming Stella down [[WouldHitAGirl and the rest is history]].]]
17th Jan '17 5:50:44 AM mega95gox
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** Stella is a downplayed case of this, mainly because her IdiotSavant attitude and BrokenBird backstory have met with mixed reception. [[spoiler:However, a lot of fans are not pleased with Kira not fleeing back to the Archangel immediately and watches both Shinn and Stella from afar instead, which ruins Shinn's attempt in calming Stella down [[WouldHitAGirl and the rest is history]].]]



** Stella is a downplayed case of this, mainly because of her IdiotSavant attitude and BrokenBird backstory. [[spoiler:A lot of fans are not pleased with Kira not fleeing back to the Archangel immediately and watches both Shinn and Stella from afar instead, which ruins Shinn's attempt in calming Stella down [[WouldHitAGirl and the rest is history]].]]
17th Jan '17 5:43:27 AM mega95gox
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** Stella is a downplayed case of this, mainly because of her IdiotSavant attitude and BrokenBird backstory. [[spoiler:A lot of fans are not pleased with Kira not fleeing back to the Archangel and watches both Shinn and Stella from afar instead, which ruins Shinn's attempt in calming Stella down [[WouldHitAGirl and the rest is history]].]]

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** Stella is a downplayed case of this, mainly because of her IdiotSavant attitude and BrokenBird backstory. [[spoiler:A lot of fans are not pleased with Kira not fleeing back to the Archangel immediately and watches both Shinn and Stella from afar instead, which ruins Shinn's attempt in calming Stella down [[WouldHitAGirl and the rest is history]].]]
17th Jan '17 5:40:34 AM mega95gox
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** Stella is a downplayed case of this, mainly because of her IdiotSavant attitude and BrokenBird backstory. [[spoiler:A lot of fans are not pleased with Kira not fleeing back to the Archangel and stands like a "sitting duck" instead, which ruins Shinn's attempt in calming Stella down [[WouldHitAGirl and the rest is history]].]]

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** Stella is a downplayed case of this, mainly because of her IdiotSavant attitude and BrokenBird backstory. [[spoiler:A lot of fans are not pleased with Kira not fleeing back to the Archangel and stands like a "sitting duck" watches both Shinn and Stella from afar instead, which ruins Shinn's attempt in calming Stella down [[WouldHitAGirl and the rest is history]].]]
17th Jan '17 5:37:52 AM mega95gox
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** Stella as well, mainly because of her IdiotSavant attitude and BrokenBird backstory. [[spiler:A lot of fans are not pleased with Kira not fleeing back to the Archangel and stands like a "sitting duck" instead, which ruins Shinn's attempt in calming Stella down [[WouldHitAGirl and the rest is history]].]]

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** Stella as well, is a downplayed case of this, mainly because of her IdiotSavant attitude and BrokenBird backstory. [[spiler:A [[spoiler:A lot of fans are not pleased with Kira not fleeing back to the Archangel and stands like a "sitting duck" instead, which ruins Shinn's attempt in calming Stella down [[WouldHitAGirl and the rest is history]].]]
17th Jan '17 5:36:48 AM mega95gox
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** Kira was a BaseBreakingCharacter in the original ''SEED'', but by ''Destiny'' the west had given up on him and he's lost almost all his defenders.

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** Kira was a BaseBreakingCharacter in the original ''SEED'', but by ''Destiny'' the west had given up on him and he's lost almost all his defenders. [[spoiler:And there's [[WouldHitAGirl what he did to Stella]] in Episode 32.]]


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** Stella as well, mainly because of her IdiotSavant attitude and BrokenBird backstory. [[spiler:A lot of fans are not pleased with Kira not fleeing back to the Archangel and stands like a "sitting duck" instead, which ruins Shinn's attempt in calming Stella down [[WouldHitAGirl and the rest is history]].]]
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