History YMMV / MagicalRecordLyricalNanohaFORCE

** Signum and Cypha's rivalry. With such a rocky start and looking at the Blazing General's BloodKnight tendencies as well as the eye-patched rogue's animosity to fight strong foes one would think an instant comptetitiveness woul emerge between the two. Instead Signum abides to her duty almost ignoring everything else while Cypha didn't really seem eager to pursue another fight (aside of some passing remarks at Signum's good swordfighting skills), she even fled their second encounter without a care. Hopefully, their feud and mutual grudingly learning will be more fleshed out if FORCE's hiatus ever gets lifted.

** Isis seems to have gotten quite a few fans, unlike pretty much anyone else introduced in ''Force''.

* FanonDiscontinuity: A lot of it.

** During the first chapters of ''Force'' Thoma is introduced to us without much backstory and the [[BaseBreaker fanbase had mixed opinions about him]], then he suddenly knows Subaru. Some chapters later, [[BelatedBackstory his backstory finally comes around and it's revealed that he already knows and is on familial terms with Subaru and her extended family]].

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In interviews the author has seemed genuinely shocked that people do not find the Hückebein sympathetic or likeable, particularly Cypha.

* EnsembleDarkhorse: Arnage has some love, unlike almost all the other members of her family, probably because she has yet to send someone to the emergency room.

* LoveItOrHateIt[=/=]BrokenBase: pretty much everything about the series. Whether ''Force'' is [[DorkAge complete and utter garbage]] or [[FridgeBrilliance a work of genius]]; whether Touma is [[WhatAnIdiot a hopeless idiot driven by naivete]] or an intelligent and responsible kid trying to balance out his AllLovingHero attitude against the monstrous enemies he's facing all of these depend on which fan you ask.

* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: The Huckebein have experienced a mild case of this. They're still hated, mind you, just not as much as before. This is due to the [[SmugSuper more]] [[TheSociopath unpleasant]] [[ItsAllAboutMe parts]] of their characterization being toned down (mostly in an effort to appeal to Thoma), and [[NotSoInvincibleAfterAll gradually losing]] their frustrating advantage over the protagonists.

* LoveItOrHateIt[=/=]BrokenBase: pretty much everything about the series. Whether ''Force'' is [[DorkAge complete and utter garbage]] or [[FridgeBrilliance a work of genius]]; whether Touma is [[WhatAnIdiot a hopeless idiot driven by naivete]] or an intelligent and responsible kid trying to balance out his AllLovingHero attitude against the monstrous enemies he's facing; whether the Huckebein are CompleteMonster VillainSue characters or JerkassWoobie[=/=]WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds[=/=]TragicMonster characters that are just UnderestimatingBadassery until the TSAB can perfect their anti-Eclipse tactics and gear; all of these depend on which fan you ask.

* VillainSue:
** If you have to name names... the Hückebein because of their anti-magic and other things. It overlaps with GodModeSue and even JerkSue. The villains are insanely powerful and the heroes have been forced to use [[IThoughtItWasForbidden forbidden technology]] to even have an effect on them in theory. ''In practice it doesn't work.'' However as of chapter 29 the veneer of invincibility is starting to crack.
** Mostly thanks to Hades Vandein, who highjacks the role of BigBad halfway through the story and makes the Hücks seem positively tolerable by comparison. Not only is he more powerful and somehow more smug, but he refuses to confront the heroes and makes them look like idiots when they can't catch him red handed, even though he's the most ObviouslyEvil guy ever.

* CrackPairing: Signum/Cypha. It's almost exclusively based around Singnum being dominated and humiliated. It probably started as a thing to troll fans with, but since it became obvious that Signum would live through ''Force'', it seems to have been jokingly accepted by the fandom, kind of like [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica Mami and Charlotte.]]

** During the first chapters of ''Force'' Thoma is introduced to us without much backstory and the [[BaseBreaker fanbase had mixed opinions about him]], then he suddenly knows Subaru and after a couple of chapters we've informed right of the bat that [[RememberTheNewGuy he knows and is liked by almost the entire old cast]] with very little explanation or background whatsoever.

** Most people don't really like the AEC Equipment much. They prevent the heroes using magic a setting that has previously been about [[WaveMotionGun high-powered magic]], they [[FlawedPrototype usually don't work]], and anyone with a Strike Cannon rather than a personalized weapon gets taken down like they were a {{Mook}} regardless of what they were treated like in any previous version of ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha''.

* FanFavorite: Isis seems to have gotten quite a few fans so far, unlike pretty much anyone else introduced in ''Force''.

* JumpingTheShark: ''Force'' is the season with the biggest amount of backlash to date. It elicited this reaction for having a heterosexual male lead and supposedly dropping the magical girl tropes. Not to mention they put some of the most cheered characters this franchise have in real danger of suffering BadassDecay, starting with [[LadyOfWar Signum]]. There are also signs the author has guessed badly about how people will react to each new character they introduce, committing the same mistakes over and over and trying to shore them up in [[RememberTheNewGuy all]] the [[TheWorfEffect wrong]] [[HotSpringsEpisode ways]].

* CounterpartComparison: A number of the Hückebein have been compared to the Wolkenwritter and other characters outside the franchise in trait similarities.

* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Isis seems to have gotten quite a few fans so far, unlike pretty much anyone else introduced in ''Force''.
** Arnage also has some love, unlike almost all the other members of her family, probably because she has yet to send someone to the emergency room.

* UnfortunateImplications: More than a few readers have noted that shoving a male lead character into the spotlight of a franchise focused largely on women, and then having established female characters lose repeatedly against male villains, is just ''full'' of issues (especially since two characters thought of by ''many'' readers to be a lesbian couple barely even appear). Slightly mitigated by how the male lead is a complete idiot who wouldn't be able to tie his shoes without his female allies holding the laces for him.

** The Dividers are another example. They're the Hückebein's WeaponOfChoice, are very broken in terms of power, and makes any Eclipse infectee an immense threat in battle. They are also very inelegantly designed.

** Thoma became a fugitive from the TSAB by breaking into the lab, stealing the Divider, and escaping with Lily. This might have led to [[spoiler:Subaru]] weighing her bond with Thoma against her duty to arrest him, as well as Thoma fleeing from the Bureau while having the SympatheticPOV, but Thoma eventually loses control of himself to the Eclipse, and it becomes about having to try to get through to him, rather than him trying to protect Lily and escape the Bureau.

** Mostly thanks to Hades Vandein, who highjacks the role of BigBad halfway through the story and makes the Hucks seem positively tolerable by comparison. Not only is he more powerful and somehow more smug, but he refuses to confront the heroes and makes them look like idiots when they can't catch him red handed, even though he's the most ObviouslyEvil guy ever.

** In Chapter 20, Shamal asks Vivio if she wanted to join in the mock battle with Thoma and Signum. Why would she make that suggestion given how dangerous Thoma or Lilly's Eclipse powers would be to Sacred Heart/Chris if Vivio tried to fight either of them? Nanoha, on the other hand, suggests Vivio to not get involved.

** While he is mentioned in ReplacementScrappy, Thoma isn't liked for his behavior crossing into the WhatAnIdiot territory and losing characterization into becoming what is seen as an idiot who keeps overlooking the behavior the Hückebein constantly exhibit. What's worse is that he is borderline useless in combat and is overshadowed by Isis and even ''[[MysteriousWaif Lilly]]'', combined with wasted character development potential.

** Short-lived character Diego was only around for chapter 18 and all of 19, but boy did he cross it and then some. He physically abuses his Reactor plug every chance he gets, treats the destruction of a town like a predator hunting prey, and was an absolute {{Jerkass}} to the extreme, even [[EvenEvilHasStandards causing one of the Hückebein to respond with distaste]]. Thankfully, LaserGuidedKarma got him ''hard'' with his death at the end by Veyron's [[FacePalmOfDoom left hand]].

** During the first chapters of ''Force'' Tohma is introduced to us without much backstory and the [[BaseBreaker fanbase had mixed opinions about him]], then he suddenly knows Subaru and after a couple of chapters we've informed right of the bat that [[RememberTheNewGuy he knows and is liked by almost the entire old cast]] with very little explanation or background whatsoever.

** In Chapter 20, Shamal asks Vivio if she wanted to join in the mock battle with Touma and Signum. Why would she make that suggestion given how dangerous Touma or Lilly's Eclipse powers would be to Sacred Heart/Chris if Vivio tried to fight either of them? Nanoha, on the other hand, suggests Vivio to not get involved.

** Tohma has drawn a lot of fire for being a [[CursedWithAwesome very typical, male, angst-ridden main character]] with a StoryBreakerPower [[AssPull pulled out of nowhere]] that can beat out the established and well-developed main characters of previous seasons with little effort. His latest comments to both Signum and Cypha, where he wishes both the hero and the psychotic good luck and tells them to do their best before they fight, suggest Tohma has ''serious'' issues.

** While he is mentioned in ReplacementScrappy, Tohma isn't liked for his behavior crossing into the WhatAnIdiot territory and losing characterization into becoming what is seen as an idiot who keeps overlooking the behavior the Hückebein constantly exhibit. What's worse is that he is borderline useless in combat and is overshadowed by Isis and even ''[[MysteriousWaif Lilly]]'', combined with wasted character development potential.

** Tohma became a fugitive from the TSAB by breaking into the lab, stealing the Divider, and escaping with Lily. This might have led to [[spoiler:Subaru]] weighing her bond with Tohma against her duty to arrest him, as well as Tohma fleeing from the Bureau while having the SympatheticPOV, but Tohma eventually loses control of himself to the Eclipse, and it becomes about having to try to get through to him, rather than him trying to protect Lily and escape the Bureau.

* WhatAnIdiot: One of the reasons people cannot stand about Touma along with [[RememberTheNewGuy his aforementioned ties to the old cast]] is that he cannot take a hint that the Hückebein are evil and only act nice around him as a recruitment tactic. [[WhatTheHellHero He's been warned several times by Reinforce II and Isis]], but is more than willing to have a nonchalant chat with the likes of [[AxCrazy Cypha]]. They warned you.

* CounterpartComparison: A number of the Huckebein have been compared to the Wolkenwritter and other characters outside the franchise in trait similarities.

** In interviews the author has seemed genuinely shocked that people do not find the Huckebein sympathetic or likeable, particularly Cypha.

* JerkassWoobie: The Huckebein may have been meant to be seen as this, but their attitude towards killing, lack of redeeming features and little emphasis on their plight prevents them from being sympathetic.

** Short-lived character Diego was only around for chapter 18 and all of 19, but boy did he cross it and then some. He physically abuses his Reactor plug every chance he gets, treats the destruction of a town like a predator hunting prey, and was an absolute {{Jerkass}} to the extreme, even [[EvenEvilHasStandards causing one of the Huckebein to respond with distaste]]. Thankfully, LaserGuidedKarma got him ''hard'' with his death at the end by Veyron's [[FacePalmOfDoom left hand]].

** The Huckebein in general have been accused of being a ReplacementScrappy for the ''A's''-era Wolkenritter, as they hit many of the same general tropes excluding motivation. Made even more obvious since [[HostileShowTakeover most of the Huckebein's victims so far]] are members of the [[Characters/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaAs Yagami Family]] with only a single exception.

** While he is mentioned in ReplacementScrappy, Tohma isn't liked for his behavior crossing into the WhatAnIdiot territory and losing characterization into becoming what is seen as an idiot who keeps overlooking the behavior the Huckebein constantly exhibit. What's worse is that he is borderline useless in combat and is overshadowed by Isis and even ''[[MysteriousWaif Lilly]]'', combined with wasted character development potential.

** The Dividers are another example. They're the Huckebein's WeaponOfChoice, are very broken in terms of power, and makes any Eclipse infectee an immense threat in battle. They are also very inelegantly designed.

** Force in general could have been presented straight as about the conflict between the refusal of most of the main characters to kill and the fact that the only solution to the Huckebein appears to be killing them.

** If you have to name names... the Huckebein because of their anti-magic and other things. It overlaps with GodModeSue and even JerkSue. The villains are insanely powerful and the heroes have been forced to use [[IThoughtItWasForbidden forbidden technology]] to even have an effect on them in theory. ''In practice it doesn't work.'' However as of chapter 29 the veneer of invincibility is starting to crack.

* WhatAnIdiot: One of the reasons people cannot stand about Touma along with [[RememberTheNewGuy his aforementioned ties to the old cast]] is that he cannot take a hint that the Huckebein are evil and only act nice around him as a recruitment tactic. [[WhatTheHellHero He's been warned several times by Reinforce II and Isis]], but is more than willing to have a nonchalant chat with the likes of [[AxCrazy Cypha]]. They warned you.