History YMMV / Madagascar

19th Jun '17 2:25:43 AM youfeelingluckypunk27
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** In the Korean dub, watching Alex talking to "[[CompanionCube Spaulding]]" (a reference to "Wilson" from ''Film/CastAway'') is particularly funny once you remember that Song Kang-ho, the voice of Alex, is commonly referred to as "the Korean Creator/TomHanks".

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** In the Korean dub, watching Alex talking to "[[CompanionCube Spaulding]]" (a reference to "Wilson" from ''Film/CastAway'') is particularly funny once you remember that Song Kang-ho, the voice of Alex, Alex in that version, is commonly referred to as "the Korean Creator/TomHanks".
19th Jun '17 2:23:22 AM youfeelingluckypunk27
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** In the Korean dub, watching Alex talking to "[[CompanionCube Spaulding]]" (a reference to "Wilson" from ''Film/CastAway'') is particularly funny once you remember that Song Kang-ho, the voice of Alex, is commonly referred to as "the Korean Creator/TomHanks".
8th May '17 6:17:43 AM SpaceHunterDrakeRedcrest
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* FetishFuel: Gloria is ''very'' popular amongst [[ChubbyChaser Chubby Chasers]], for obvious reasons. The sequel seems to acknowledge this when Moto Moto takes interest in her for her size.
3rd May '17 3:38:25 PM Eon-the-Dragon
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* GameBreaker: Gloria in the GBA game. While not as mobile as the others (Marty has better jump height and can run, while Alex and Melman both have access to double jumps) Gloria is a lot more useful. On top of having a ShockwaveStomp that has some serious range and being the only character with SuperNotDrowningSkills, she also has a GoombaStomp from the moment you can play as her that is absolutely broken. It starts the moment Gloria starts decending, is a OneHitKill on most enemies, and is the only attack in the game that can destroy the [[EverythingTryingToKillYou razor grass]] on the island. In fact you can beat most levels playing as Gloria just by walking along the bottom edge of the map, since she makes most of the danger from the levels easily avoidable while occasionally switching over to Alex or Marty when they're needed.
17th Apr '17 6:11:50 AM chasemaddigan
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!! The film:

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!! The film:
film and franchise as a whole:



* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Stefano. {{Adorkable}} NiceGuy or an EthnicScrappy KidAppealCharacter?
** Captain [=DuBois=]. CrazyAwesome or annoyingly over-the-top?



* CrazyAwesome:
** ''Captain [=DuBois=]''.
** The penguins wouldn't be the badass heroes they are if they weren't completely insane. Trailers for the first film prominently featured Alex proclaiming "the penguins are psychotic!" -- he's right, but it's not at all a bad thing.

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* CrazyAwesome:
** ''Captain [=DuBois=]''.
**
CrazyAwesome: The penguins wouldn't be the badass heroes they are if they weren't completely insane. Trailers for the first film prominently featured Alex proclaiming "the penguins are psychotic!" -- he's right, but it's not at all a bad thing.



** In the first film, the titular island is depicted as being uninhabited by humans. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar Yeah, about that...]]

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** In the first film, the The titular island is depicted as being uninhabited by humans. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar Yeah, about that...]]



** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMauGc2oy7w Da da dada dada dada CIRCUS, da da dada dada dada AFRO, circus afro, circus Afro, polka dot, polka dot, polka dot, AFRO!]]
*** And the ads. Never. Stop. '''Playing it.'''
*** And it got worse (or better) - [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UrpQTI6HTo both the ads and the end of the 3rd movie combined that AND Move It]]. The last track on the OST CD was a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5-25V1YpZA much longer version of said song]].
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** The Penguins and King Julien XIII. The Penguins were only a sub-plot to start and keep things rolling, and King Julien was only intended to have two lines, but they became so popular that not only did they get extended roles, but they also got larger roles in the sequel, and ''then'' they got a hugely popular spin-off even though nobody knows how they got back to the Zoo in that continuity.
** From the third film, some viewers (and critics) found Capitaine [=DuBois=] more interesting, or at least more rounded, than the heroes due to simply being so determined and motivated.
** Vitaly has also become a huge fan favorite, with his popularity often eclipsing that of the Zoosters (Note how many more tropes they have on the character page than the others.)
* EthnicScrappy: Stefano is this to some.

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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMauGc2oy7w Da da dada dada dada CIRCUS, da da dada dada dada AFRO, circus afro, circus Afro, polka dot, polka dot, polka dot, AFRO!]]
*** And the ads. Never. Stop. '''Playing it.'''
*** And it got worse (or better) - [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UrpQTI6HTo both the ads and the end of the 3rd movie combined that AND Move It]]. The last track on the OST CD was a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5-25V1YpZA much longer version of said song]].
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
**
EnsembleDarkhorse: The Penguins and King Julien XIII. The Penguins were only a sub-plot to start and keep things rolling, and King Julien was only intended to have two lines, but they became so popular that not only did they get extended roles, but they also got larger roles in the sequel, and ''then'' they got a hugely popular spin-off even though nobody knows how they got back to the Zoo in that continuity.
** From the third film, some viewers (and critics) found Capitaine [=DuBois=] more interesting, or at least more rounded, than the heroes due to simply being so determined and motivated.
** Vitaly has also become a huge fan favorite, with his popularity often eclipsing that of the Zoosters (Note how many more tropes they have on the character page than the others.)
* EthnicScrappy: Stefano is this to some.
continuity.



* GeniusBonus:
** Considering how most people had probably [[SeldomSeenSpecies never heard of fossa before this movie]], the fact that the lemurs misspell it "foosa" is a joke that goes over most people's heads.
** Those "drunk French-Canadians" who ditched animals in their circus, with multiple troupes (even with one in the nude), is Creator/CirqueDuSoleil.
* GrowingTheBeard: The third film seems to be this way so far; in keeping with Dreamworks Animation's consistently good quality from ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda''-on, it seems to be one of the rare threequels that are more well-liked than their predecessors.
* HarsherInHindsight: A tamer example: the first movie make "the wild" Marty's ArcWords. After one discovers that this was [[DuelingMovies a pre-emptive ripoff]] of ''WesternAnimation/TheWild'', it not only feels awkward, but kind of sleazy.

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* GeniusBonus:
**
GeniusBonus: Considering how most people had probably [[SeldomSeenSpecies never heard of fossa before this movie]], the fact that the lemurs misspell it "foosa" is a joke that goes over most people's heads.
** Those "drunk French-Canadians" who ditched animals in their circus, with multiple troupes (even with one in the nude), is Creator/CirqueDuSoleil.
* GrowingTheBeard: The third film seems to be this way so far; in keeping with Dreamworks Animation's consistently good quality from ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda''-on, it seems to be one of the rare threequels that are more well-liked than their predecessors.
* HarsherInHindsight: A tamer example: the first movie make "the wild" Marty's ArcWords. After one discovers that this was [[DuelingMovies a pre-emptive ripoff]] of ''WesternAnimation/TheWild'', it not only feels awkward, but kind of sleazy.



** In the original film, Melman was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally]] an [[SeldomSeenSpecies okapi]], but was changed to a giraffe for fear of audiences [[SmallTaxonomyPools not knowing what an okapi is.]] Years later, in the Valentine's special ''Madly Madagascar'', an okapi character appears as Marty's girlfriend.
* [[HolyShitQuotient Holy Sugar Honey Ice Tea Quotient]]:
** The things Capitaine [=DuBois=] does. There is nothing this woman would not do to get to Alex.
** Also, Vitaly's ring act. There is no ring too small for this tough tiger, [[spoiler: not even a keyhole.]]

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** In the original film, Melman was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally]] an [[SeldomSeenSpecies okapi]], but was changed to a giraffe for fear of audiences [[SmallTaxonomyPools not knowing what an okapi is.]] Years later, in the Valentine's special ''Madly Madagascar'', an okapi character appears as Marty's girlfriend.
* [[HolyShitQuotient Holy Sugar Honey Ice Tea Quotient]]:
** The things Capitaine [=DuBois=] does. There is nothing this woman would not do to get to Alex.
** Also, Vitaly's ring act. There is no ring too small for this tough tiger, [[spoiler: not even a keyhole.]]
girlfriend.



** Come the third movie [[HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday Alex is given]] a LoveInterest in the form of Gia, but considering their relationship could just as easily be interpreted as a friendship, and Alex is... rather close to the gruff, butch tiger Vitaly, nothing is really resolved. Alex and Vitaly have a few moments like this, in fact (like the tiger calling Alex a lioness). And one of the more common promotional images for the third movie, of Vitaly thanking Alex for the loan of the mane conditioner for his act, [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Alex_and_Vitaly_Resized_9804.jpg looks very bad out of context]] since it looks like he's holding a bottle of lube...



** Of all the male characters in here that are introduced, there's Vitaly. Being a strong looking tiger with [[UnderwearOfPower that speedo]], you could have seen this a mile away...
** Arguably prior to that, Alex the lion. The [[UsefulNotes/FurryFandom fandom]] of this movie didn't make it that unnoticeable.

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** Of all the male characters in here that are introduced, there's Vitaly. Being a strong looking tiger with [[UnderwearOfPower that speedo]], you could have seen this a mile away...
** Arguably prior to that,
Alex the lion. The [[UsefulNotes/FurryFandom fandom]] of this movie didn't make it that unnoticeable.



** "Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-CIRCUS! Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-AFRO!" In no small part to the fact almost every commercial used it.

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** "Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-CIRCUS! Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-AFRO!" In no small part to the fact almost every commercial used it.Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-AFRO!".



* MoralEventHorizon: In the third film, Chantel [=DuBois=] crosses this after [[spoiler:firing a poisoned dart at Alex while he's in his cage.]]
* MostWonderfulSound: In spite of its overexposure in trailers, you ''will'' cheer when you hear "Afro Circus" [[spoiler:being used by TheCavalry as they arrive to save the main characters]] in the third film.



** "Afro Circus" for the third film.



* TrailerJokeDecay: That damned "Afro Circus" song...
* {{Wangst}}: Stefano is good at this.
--> But...I want to do a solo act [[LargeHam WITH MARTY!!]]
* WinBackTheCrowd: Many fans of the first film who disliked the second film saw the third film as this.
16th Apr '17 8:31:53 PM chasemaddigan
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* CargoShip: Skipper marries a bobble head. It was originally played for laughs, but then one thing lead to another...
* ContestedSequel: Some people say that ''Escape 2 Africa'' is an [[EvenBetterSequel Even Better]] or SurprisinglyImprovedSequel, while others dislike it and [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks accuse it of ripping off]] ''Disney/TheLionKing''.



** "I like 'em big, I like 'em chunky"



* HarsherInHindsight:
** ''Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa'' features some poachers luring cub!Alex away from an animal reserve where he promptly gets kidnapped. This is [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Cecil_the_lion exactly]] [[http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/us/walter-palmer-dentist-cecil-lion-return/ how]] Cecil the Lion was killed.
** A tamer example: the first movie make "the wild" Marty's ArcWords. After one discovers that this was [[DuelingMovies a pre-emptive ripoff]] of ''WesternAnimation/TheWild'', it not only feels awkward, but kind of sleazy.

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* HarsherInHindsight:
** ''Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa'' features some poachers luring cub!Alex away from an animal reserve where he promptly gets kidnapped. This is [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Cecil_the_lion exactly]] [[http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/us/walter-palmer-dentist-cecil-lion-return/ how]] Cecil the Lion was killed.
**
HarsherInHindsight: A tamer example: the first movie make "the wild" Marty's ArcWords. After one discovers that this was [[DuelingMovies a pre-emptive ripoff]] of ''WesternAnimation/TheWild'', it not only feels awkward, but kind of sleazy.



** In the second movie, Julien gets the line "I would invade a neighboring country and impose my own ideology on them, even if they didn't want it!" His voice actor, Creator/SachaBaronCohen, later played ''Film/TheDictator''.



** Alex, with his flamboyant, Broadway style dance maneuvers, [[{{Keet}} overexcited personality]], and suspiciously close relationship with his best friend, Marty the zebra. In the first film, he gets very upset and concerned when Marty leaves the zoo to find the wild. And when they all become stranded in Madagascar, Alex's hunger grows for meat, so with Marty being the closest thing to stake available he licks his rump in his sleep and in another scenario, bites him on the butt when he reverts to his primal instincts and in the second one, he confuses Marty with the other identical zebras multiple times, causing a strain on their friendship and finally there's their reconciliation near the end, where Alex finally manages to tell Marty from the rest of the zebra herd, [[spoiler:by his bite mark on Marty's rear from the last film.]] It's also been pointed out that his interaction with his father seems like a metaphor for a ComingOutStory.
** There's a scene in ''Madagascar 2'' where Julien is giving Melman romantic advice while climbing all over his head and stroking it repeatedly. Not to mention he assumed, or pretended to assume, Melman was going to tell Gloria he ''hated'' her... He's also rather touchy-feely with Maurice in the first movie.

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** Alex, with his flamboyant, Broadway style dance maneuvers, [[{{Keet}} overexcited personality]], and suspiciously close relationship with his best friend, Marty the zebra. In the first film, he gets very upset and concerned when Marty leaves the zoo to find the wild. And when they all become stranded in Madagascar, Alex's hunger grows for meat, so with Marty being the closest thing to stake available he licks his rump in his sleep and in another scenario, bites him on the butt when he reverts to his primal instincts and in the second one, he confuses Marty with the other identical zebras multiple times, causing a strain on their friendship and finally there's their reconciliation near the end, where Alex finally manages to tell Marty from the rest of the zebra herd, [[spoiler:by his bite mark on Marty's rear from the last film.]] It's also been pointed out that his interaction with his father seems like a metaphor for a ComingOutStory.
]]
** There's a scene in ''Madagascar 2'' where Julien is giving Melman romantic advice while climbing all over his head and stroking it repeatedly. Not to mention he assumed, or pretended to assume, Melman was going to tell Gloria he ''hated'' her... He's also Julien's rather touchy-feely with Maurice in the first movie.



** "The Traveling Song"/"Alex on the Spot" for the second film.



* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The second film contains some good lessons about love regarding the LoveTriangle between Gloria, Melman, and Moto Moto. First off, Moto Moto is the first man Gloria meets and is apparently interested in, and she does go along with the fact he really loves how fat she is. However, their date quickly falls apart because Moto Moto literally cannot think of any other reason he's attracted to her besides her weight. Melman, meanwhile, in his speech, never once mentions her physical beauty or traits, and shows that he really does care about ''her'' and not her body. Gloria is touched by this and ultimately gets together with Melman. The lesson is that there has to be far more than physical attraction to really be worthy of someone's love and that you have to love the person inside the body, no matter how good-looking they are. Whoever thought they'd teach this lesson through two hippos and a giraffe?
* TastesLikeDiabetes: Melman's heartfelt profession of his love for Gloria and later his smaller speech as he is taken to the volcano is absolutely ''beautiful''. Maybe ''too'' beautiful for some viewers.
6th Mar '17 8:48:15 AM Chubzhac
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* CoveredUp: The series' various covers of "I Like to Move It" are all much more popular and well known than the original Reel 2 Real song.
4th Mar '17 5:07:35 AM NightShade96
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
** will.i.am's "I Like to Move It" and the melancholy "The Traveling Song". Music/HansZimmer did the music for the first film, and teaming him up with will.i.am, who is largely a hip-hop producer and singer, is the musical equivalent of ''Franchise/KingdomHearts''.
** "Volcano" also counts.
** "[[Music/KatyPerry Firework]]" playing during the triumphant circus act.
** The mashup of "Afro Circus" and "I Like To Move It" during the credits.
** Vitaly's theme song (and ThemeMusicPowerUp), "Light the Hoop on Fire", complete with a men's chorus of [[OminousLatinChanting Soaring Russian Chanting]]. You can tell Hans Zimmer was scoring it again.
** "We No Speak Americano" while the penguins are operating on the train, complete with Kowalski jumping on Private, Rico bashing a pipe and all four of them puffing steam to the beat of the song.
** Heitor Pereira's stripped-down SugarWiki/SweetDreamsFuel version of "Best Friends" for the second movie's soundtrack.
* BaseBreakingCharacter

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
** will.i.am's "I Like to Move It" and the melancholy "The Traveling Song". Music/HansZimmer did the music for the first film, and teaming him up with will.i.am, who is largely a hip-hop producer and singer, is the musical equivalent of ''Franchise/KingdomHearts''.
** "Volcano" also counts.
** "[[Music/KatyPerry Firework]]" playing during the triumphant circus act.
** The mashup of "Afro Circus" and "I Like To Move It" during the credits.
** Vitaly's theme song (and ThemeMusicPowerUp), "Light the Hoop on Fire", complete with a men's chorus of [[OminousLatinChanting Soaring Russian Chanting]]. You can tell Hans Zimmer was scoring it again.
** "We No Speak Americano" while the penguins are operating on the train, complete with Kowalski jumping on Private, Rico bashing a pipe and all four of them puffing steam to the beat of the song.
** Heitor Pereira's stripped-down SugarWiki/SweetDreamsFuel version of "Best Friends" for the second movie's soundtrack.
* BaseBreakingCharacter
BaseBreakingCharacter:
3rd Mar '17 6:00:17 PM NightShade96
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* EnsembleDarkHorse: The Penguins and King Julien XIII. The Penguins were only a sub-plot to start and keep things rolling, and King Julien was only intended to have two lines, but they became so popular that not only did they get extended roles, but they also got larger roles in the sequel, and ''then'' they got a hugely popular spin-off even though nobody knows how they got back to the Zoo in that continuity.
** From the third film, some viewers (and critics) found Capitaine [=DuBois=] more interesting, or at least more rounded, than the heroes due to simply being so determined and motivated. And Vitaly has became a huge fan favorite, his popularity often eclipsing that of the Zoosters. (Note how many more tropes they have on the character page than the others.)

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* EnsembleDarkHorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
**
The Penguins and King Julien XIII. The Penguins were only a sub-plot to start and keep things rolling, and King Julien was only intended to have two lines, but they became so popular that not only did they get extended roles, but they also got larger roles in the sequel, and ''then'' they got a hugely popular spin-off even though nobody knows how they got back to the Zoo in that continuity.
** From the third film, some viewers (and critics) found Capitaine [=DuBois=] more interesting, or at least more rounded, than the heroes due to simply being so determined and motivated. And motivated.
**
Vitaly has became also become a huge fan favorite, with his popularity often eclipsing that of the Zoosters. Zoosters (Note how many more tropes they have on the character page than the others.)



* HarsherInHindsight

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* HarsherInHindsightHarsherInHindsight:



* [[HolyShitQuotient Holy Sugar Honey Ice Tea Quotient]]: The things Capitaine [=DuBois=] does. There is nothing this woman would not do to get to Alex.

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* [[HolyShitQuotient Holy Sugar Honey Ice Tea Quotient]]: Quotient]]:
**
The things Capitaine [=DuBois=] does. There is nothing this woman would not do to get to Alex.



** Come the third movie [[HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday Alex is given]] a LoveInterest in the form of Gia, but considering their relationship could just as easily be interpreted as friendship, and Alex is... rather close to the gruff, butch tiger Vitaly, nothing is really resolved. Alex and Vitaly have a few moments like this, in fact (like the tiger calling Alex a lioness). And one of the more common promotional images for the third movie, of Vitaly thanking Alex for the loan of the mane conditioner for his act, [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Alex_and_Vitaly_Resized_9804.jpg looks very bad out of context]] since it looks like he's holding a bottle of lube...

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** Come the third movie [[HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday Alex is given]] a LoveInterest in the form of Gia, but considering their relationship could just as easily be interpreted as a friendship, and Alex is... rather close to the gruff, butch tiger Vitaly, nothing is really resolved. Alex and Vitaly have a few moments like this, in fact (like the tiger calling Alex a lioness). And one of the more common promotional images for the third movie, of Vitaly thanking Alex for the loan of the mane conditioner for his act, [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Alex_and_Vitaly_Resized_9804.jpg looks very bad out of context]] since it looks like he's holding a bottle of lube...



* MoralEventHorizon: In the third film, Chantel [=DuBois=] crosses this after [[spoiler:firing a poisoned dart at Alex while in his cage.]]

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* MoralEventHorizon: In the third film, Chantel [=DuBois=] crosses this after [[spoiler:firing a poisoned dart at Alex while he's in his cage.]]



* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The second film contains some good lessons about love regarding the LoveTriangle between Gloria, Melman, and Moto Moto. First off, Moto Moto is the first man Gloria meets and is apparently interested in, and she does go along with the fact he really loves how fat she is. However, their date quickly falls apart because Moto Moto literally cannot think of any other reason he's attracted to her besides her weight. Melman, meanwhile, in his speech, never once mentions her physical beauty or traits, and shows that he really does care about ''her'' and not her body. Gloria is touched by this and ultimately gets together with Melman. The lesson being that there has to be far more than physical attraction to really be worthy of someone's love and that you have to love the person inside the body, no matter how good-looking they are. Whoever thought they'd teach this lesson through two hippos and a giraffe?
* TastesLikeDiabetes: Melman's heartfelt profession of his love for Gloria and later his smaller speech as he is taken to the volcano is absolutely ''beautiful''. Maybe too beautiful for some viewers.

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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The second film contains some good lessons about love regarding the LoveTriangle between Gloria, Melman, and Moto Moto. First off, Moto Moto is the first man Gloria meets and is apparently interested in, and she does go along with the fact he really loves how fat she is. However, their date quickly falls apart because Moto Moto literally cannot think of any other reason he's attracted to her besides her weight. Melman, meanwhile, in his speech, never once mentions her physical beauty or traits, and shows that he really does care about ''her'' and not her body. Gloria is touched by this and ultimately gets together with Melman. The lesson being is that there has to be far more than physical attraction to really be worthy of someone's love and that you have to love the person inside the body, no matter how good-looking they are. Whoever thought they'd teach this lesson through two hippos and a giraffe?
* TastesLikeDiabetes: Melman's heartfelt profession of his love for Gloria and later his smaller speech as he is taken to the volcano is absolutely ''beautiful''. Maybe too ''too'' beautiful for some viewers.
2nd Mar '17 11:10:01 PM trulymadmoves
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* GeniusBonus: Those "drunk French-Canadians" who ditched animals in their circus, with multiple troupes (even with one in the nude), is Creator/CirqueDuSoleil.

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* GeniusBonus: GeniusBonus:
** Considering how most people had probably [[SeldomSeenSpecies never heard of fossa before this movie]], the fact that the lemurs misspell it "foosa" is a joke that goes over most people's heads.
**
Those "drunk French-Canadians" who ditched animals in their circus, with multiple troupes (even with one in the nude), is Creator/CirqueDuSoleil.
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