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*** Heck, Giygas is a meme unto itself!
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*** Ana doesn't usually receive the same treatment due to her being Christian. There is, however, [[https://starmen.net/comics/series/fotpk/index.php a webcomic]] where [[https://www.deviantart.com/marcotto/art/M2-3-TFOTPK-Cards-Ana-286944227 she got Dissociative Identity Disorder]] due to her gaining a [[TookALevelInJerkass rebellious streak]] that Ninten didn't like.
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*** While her version of PK Fire Omega is a [[OneHitKill One-Hit]] TotalPartyKill, Ana doesn't usually receive the same pyromaniac treatment due to her being Christian. There is, however, [[https://starmen.net/comics/series/fotpk/index.php a webcomic]] where [[https://www.deviantart.com/marcotto/art/M2-3-TFOTPK-Cards-Ana-286944227 she got Dissociative Identity Disorder]] due to her gaining a [[TookALevelInJerkass rebellious streak]] that Ninten didn't like.
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*** Ana doesn't usually receive the same treatment due to her being Christian. There is, however, [[https://starmen.net/comics/series/fotpk/index.php a webcomic]] where [[https://www.deviantart.com/marcotto/art/M2-3-TFOTPK-Cards-Ana-286944227 she got Dissociative Identity Disorder]] due to her gaining a [[TookALevelInJerkass rebellious streak]] Ninten didn't like.
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*** Ana doesn't usually receive the same treatment due to her being Christian. There is, however, [[https://starmen.net/comics/series/fotpk/index.php a webcomic]] where [[https://www.deviantart.com/marcotto/art/M2-3-TFOTPK-Cards-Ana-286944227 she got Dissociative Identity Disorder]] due to her gaining a [[TookALevelInJerkass rebellious streak]] that Ninten didn't like.
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*** [[VideoGame/TheHalloweenHack I am going to burn you to such a crisp your ashes will be screaming for water!]][[labelnote:Explanation]]While neither Paula nor Ana say this line in neither canon nor fanworks, people who played the Halloween Hack usually think about this line when the two get mad.[[/labelnote]]
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*** [[VideoGame/TheHalloweenHack I am I'm going to burn you to such a crisp your ashes will be screaming scream for water!]][[labelnote:Explanation]]While neither Paula nor Ana say this line in neither canon nor fanworks, people who played the Halloween Hack usually think about this line when the two get mad.[[/labelnote]]
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** Pyromaniac Paula [[labelnote:Explanation]]While Paula starts with [[AnIcePerson PSI Freeze]], most fanworks have her primarily use [[PlayingWithFire PSI Fire]] against any enemy that isn't [[EldritchAbomination Giygas]], especially if that enemy [[BewareTheNiceOnes did something to piss her off]]. Some also portray her as a ClingyJealousGirl who gets on fire whenever someone flirts with Ness, infamous being [[http://files.fobby.net/0000/7cc1/Earthbound467.jpg Paula's reaction to Venus kissing Ness's cheek]] in ''Webcomic/TheChosenFour''.[[/labelnote]]
*** Ana doesn't usually receive the same treatment due to her being Christian. There is, however, [[https://starmen.net/comics/series/fotpk/index.php a webcomic]] where [[https://www.deviantart.com/marcotto/art/M2-3-TFOTPK-Cards-Ana-286944227 she got Dissociative Identity Disorder]] due to her gaining a [[TookALevelInJerkass rebellious streak]] Ninten didn't like.
*** [[VideoGame/TheHalloweenHack I am going to burn you to such a crisp your ashes will be screaming for water!]][[labelnote:Explanation]]While neither Paula nor Ana say this line in neither canon nor fanworks, people who played the Halloween Hack usually think about this line when the two get mad.[[/labelnote]]
*** Ana doesn't usually receive the same treatment due to her being Christian. There is, however, [[https://starmen.net/comics/series/fotpk/index.php a webcomic]] where [[https://www.deviantart.com/marcotto/art/M2-3-TFOTPK-Cards-Ana-286944227 she got Dissociative Identity Disorder]] due to her gaining a [[TookALevelInJerkass rebellious streak]] Ninten didn't like.
*** [[VideoGame/TheHalloweenHack I am going to burn you to such a crisp your ashes will be screaming for water!]][[labelnote:Explanation]]While neither Paula nor Ana say this line in neither canon nor fanworks, people who played the Halloween Hack usually think about this line when the two get mad.[[/labelnote]]
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** To show how dark it is, the third game begins with the player character's wife dying, them having a mental breakdown, and one of their children going off to fight the creature that killed his mom.
* ZeroEffortBoss: Quite a few under certain conditions.
** The Reconstructed Caribou is a force to be reckoned with when you fight it ...until you pin it down with Wall Staples and unload the bombs you got from the Bazaar on it. Or if you don't have bombs but are great at comboing, just do that.
** The Fierce Pork Trooper can cause a ton of damage to you, but if you have any DCMC merchandise, he's a joke. This is the case for ''both of his fights.''
** The Cactus Wolf may be a bit difficult, but keep in mind that Fassad can bum-rush for much more damage than your attack or Monkey Mimic. He also occasionally throws a Bomb for an easy 300 damage. Not to mention you probably got a few bombs of your own...
* ZeroEffortBoss: Quite a few under certain conditions.
** The Reconstructed Caribou is a force to be reckoned with when you fight it ...until you pin it down with Wall Staples and unload the bombs you got from the Bazaar on it. Or if you don't have bombs but are great at comboing, just do that.
** The Fierce Pork Trooper can cause a ton of damage to you, but if you have any DCMC merchandise, he's a joke. This is the case for ''both of his fights.''
** The Cactus Wolf may be a bit difficult, but keep in mind that Fassad can bum-rush for much more damage than your attack or Monkey Mimic. He also occasionally throws a Bomb for an easy 300 damage. Not to mention you probably got a few bombs of your own...
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** To show how dark it is, the third game begins with the player character's wife dying, them having a mental breakdown, and one of their children going off to fight the creature that killed his mom.
* ZeroEffortBoss: Quite a few under certain conditions.
** The Reconstructed Caribou is a force to be reckoned with when you fight it ...until you pin it down with Wall Staples and unload the bombs you got from the Bazaar on it. Or if you don't have bombs but are great at comboing, just do that.
** The Fierce Pork Trooper can cause a ton of damage to you, but if you have any DCMC merchandise, he's a joke. This is the case for ''both of his fights.''
** The Cactus Wolf may be a bit difficult, but keep in mind that Fassad can bum-rush for much more damage than your attack or Monkey Mimic. He also occasionally throws a Bomb for an easy 300 damage. Not to mention you probably got a few bombs of your own...mom.
* ZeroEffortBoss: Quite a few under certain conditions.
** The Reconstructed Caribou is a force to be reckoned with when you fight it ...until you pin it down with Wall Staples and unload the bombs you got from the Bazaar on it. Or if you don't have bombs but are great at comboing, just do that.
** The Fierce Pork Trooper can cause a ton of damage to you, but if you have any DCMC merchandise, he's a joke. This is the case for ''both of his fights.''
** The Cactus Wolf may be a bit difficult, but keep in mind that Fassad can bum-rush for much more damage than your attack or Monkey Mimic. He also occasionally throws a Bomb for an easy 300 damage. Not to mention you probably got a few bombs of your own...
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** "Is Ness 'x'!?!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Based off of WebVideo/GameTheory's [[CriticalResearchFailure infamous]] "[[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} is Ness Sans!?!]]" video, any theory that involves the Mother games will inevitably have someone make this joke.[[/labelnote]]
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** "Is Ness 'x'!?!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Based off of WebVideo/GameTheory's [[CriticalResearchFailure infamous]] infamous "[[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} is Ness Sans!?!]]" video, any theory that involves the Mother games will inevitably have someone make this joke.[[/labelnote]]
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* DiscreditedMeme: Among the fangame circle, naming your fangame along the lines of "Mother /insert number 5 through 10 here/" has become this, thanks to a long list of parody fangames poking fun at people trying to follow the success of ''VideoGame/{{Oddity}}''(Then ''MOTHER 4'')'s attempt at being an OriginalFlavour fangame for the series. It's gotten to the point that attempting to post such a game on the Starmen.net Forum, whether serious or not, will get you temporarily banned after posting it unless you change the name for it almost immediately.
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* DiscreditedMeme: Among the fangame circle, naming your fangame along the lines of "Mother /insert number 5 through 10 here/" has become this, thanks to a long list of parody fangames poking fun at people trying to follow the success of ''VideoGame/{{Oddity}}''(Then ''VideoGame/{{Oddity}}'' (then ''MOTHER 4'')'s attempt at being an OriginalFlavour fangame for the series. It's gotten to the point that attempting to post such a game on the Starmen.net Forum, whether serious or not, will get you temporarily banned after posting it unless you change the name for it almost immediately.
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* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Surprisingly, given the series's SacredCow status over the years. Upon ''[=EarthBound=]'' and ''[=EarthBound=] Beginnings'' being released on the Wii U eShop and thus allowing it to be known to a larger audience, a VocalMinority of [[OldGuardVersusNewBlood old guard]] has been in an uproar about it the more newcomers get into the series. It's gotten to the point where a few have proclaimed they ''don't'' want ''VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}'' to be rereleased in America, so it can "stay something unique" to the people who were in the [[CultClassic cult fanbase]] years before the above rereleases. [[note]]Along with general worries that an official Nintendo translation would end up [[{{Bowdlerise}} Bowdlerising]] some of the game's darker moments and completely get rid of Kumatora's occasional swearing, but generally these two go hand and hand with the above.[[/note]]
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* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Surprisingly, given the series's SacredCow status over the years. Upon ''[=EarthBound=]'' and ''[=EarthBound=] Beginnings'' being released on the Wii U eShop and thus allowing it to be known to a larger audience, a VocalMinority of [[OldGuardVersusNewBlood old guard]] has been in an uproar about it the more newcomers get into the series. It's gotten to the point where a few have proclaimed they ''don't'' want ''VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}'' to be rereleased in America, so it can "stay something unique" to the people who were in the [[CultClassic cult fanbase]] years before the above rereleases. [[note]]Along with general worries that an official Nintendo translation would end up [[{{Bowdlerise}} Bowdlerising]] some of the game's darker moments and completely get rid of Kumatora's occasional swearing, but generally these two go hand and hand with the above.[[/note]]
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** Clay models means we totally mean business, guys. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Among the fan work scene, there's a tendency to make clay models for fangames / [[GameMod ROM Hacks]] ala' what the main series does. Nine times out of ten, the clay models are often the ''only'' things that come from these projects, so as a result people often like to poke fun at it when the clay models are the only things revealed about the game / hack when announced. The only one that can possibly get away with this is ''VideoGame/{{Oddity}}'' back when it was ''MOTHER 4'', thanks to doing it [[GrandfatherClause before it became common place to poke fun at the practice]].[[/labelnote]]
** We've been taking Shigesato's nostrils too lightly! [[labelnote:Explanation]][[http://earthboundcentral.com/2015/06/shigesato-itoi-mother-1-in-gintama-anime/ A reference / joke from]] ''Manga/{{Gintama}}'', which in turn was referencing ''VideoGame/{{Mother 1}}''. Naturally, the fanbase quickly latched on to it.[[/labelnote]]
** His nostril hair already has a vice grip on our heart! [[labelnote:Explanation]]A further continuation of the above.[[/labelnote]]
** We've been taking Shigesato's nostrils too lightly! [[labelnote:Explanation]][[http://earthboundcentral.com/2015/06/shigesato-itoi-mother-1-in-gintama-anime/ A reference / joke from]] ''Manga/{{Gintama}}'', which in turn was referencing ''VideoGame/{{Mother 1}}''. Naturally, the fanbase quickly latched on to it.[[/labelnote]]
** His nostril hair already has a vice grip on our heart! [[labelnote:Explanation]]A further continuation of the above.[[/labelnote]]
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** Clay models means we totally mean business, guys. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Among the fan work scene, there's a tendency to make clay models for fangames / [[GameMod fangames/[[GameMod ROM Hacks]] ala' what the main series does. Nine times out of ten, the clay models are often the ''only'' things that come from these projects, so as a result people often like to poke fun at it when the clay models are the only things revealed about the game / hack game/hack when announced. The only one that can possibly get away with this is ''VideoGame/{{Oddity}}'' back when it was ''MOTHER 4'', thanks to doing it [[GrandfatherClause before it became common place to poke fun at the practice]].[[/labelnote]]
** We've been taking Shigesato's nostrils too lightly! [[labelnote:Explanation]][[http://earthboundcentral.com/2015/06/shigesato-itoi-mother-1-in-gintama-anime/ Areference / joke reference/joke from]] ''Manga/{{Gintama}}'', which in turn was referencing ''VideoGame/{{Mother 1}}''. Naturally, the fanbase quickly latched on to it.[[/labelnote]]
** *** His nostril hair already has a vice grip on our heart! [[labelnote:Explanation]]A further continuation of the above.[[/labelnote]]
** We've been taking Shigesato's nostrils too lightly! [[labelnote:Explanation]][[http://earthboundcentral.com/2015/06/shigesato-itoi-mother-1-in-gintama-anime/ A
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** "Is Ness 'x'!?!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Based off of WebVideo/GameTheory's [[CriticalResearchFailure infamous]] "[[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} is Ness sans!?!]]" video, any theory that involves the Mother games will inevitably have someone make this joke.[[/labelnote]]
* SacredCow: Boy, was it ever...Though this status has become increasingly downplayed over the years thanks to [[NewbieBoom more people getting into the series]] ([[HypeBacklash and pointing out its flaws]]).
* SacredCow: Boy, was it ever...Though this status has become increasingly downplayed over the years thanks to [[NewbieBoom more people getting into the series]] ([[HypeBacklash and pointing out its flaws]]).
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** "Is Ness 'x'!?!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Based off of WebVideo/GameTheory's [[CriticalResearchFailure infamous]] "[[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} is Ness sans!?!]]" Sans!?!]]" video, any theory that involves the Mother games will inevitably have someone make this joke.[[/labelnote]]
* SacredCow: Boy, was it ever... Though this status has become increasingly downplayed over the years thanks to [[NewbieBoom more people getting into the series]] ([[HypeBacklash and pointing out its flaws]]).
* SacredCow: Boy, was it ever... Though this status has become increasingly downplayed over the years thanks to [[NewbieBoom more people getting into the series]] ([[HypeBacklash and pointing out its flaws]]).
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** To show how dark it is, the third game begins with the player's wife dying, the player having a mental breakdown, and the player's son going off to fight the creature that killed his mom.
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** To show how dark it is, the third game begins with the player's player character's wife dying, the player them having a mental breakdown, and the player's son one of their children going off to fight the creature that killed his mom.
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** The Reconstructed Caribou is a force to be reckoned with when you fight it...until you pin it down with Wall Staples and unload the bombs you got from the Bazaar on it. Or if you don't have bombs but are great at comboing, just do that.
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** The Reconstructed Caribou is a force to be reckoned with when you fight it...it ...until you pin it down with Wall Staples and unload the bombs you got from the Bazaar on it. Or if you don't have bombs but are great at comboing, just do that.
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** Flint qualifies too. He survives two PK Love Omega and is shown standing perfectly. Also helps he's dressed the same as Chuck Norris.
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** Flint qualifies too. He survives two PK Love Omega and is shown standing perfectly. Also helps he's dressed the same as Chuck Norris. Few would be brave enough to fight a cyborg T-rex with a plank of wood and a fang, even fewer would be badass enough to ''win!'' He's as BadassNormal as it gets.
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* CultClassic: The whole series has a strong fanbase even years after the release of all three games, and in spite of their poor sales and/or not getting released outside of Japan (until many Years later).
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* CultClassic: The whole series has a strong fanbase even years after the release of all three games, and in spite of their poor sales and/or not getting released outside of Japan (until many Years years later).
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** The Cactus Wolf may be a bit difficult, but keep in mind that Fassad can bum-rush for much more damage than your attack or Monkey Mimic. He also occasionally throws a Bomb for an easy 300 damage. Not to mention you probably got a few bombs of your own...
!!The film:
* MagnificentBastard: Jin-tae blaming Do-joon for vandalising the expensive car, knowing he can’t recall anything else. Quite a dick move, considering how poor Do-joon and his mother are.
* {{Tearjerker}}: Oh yes:
** Do-joon recalling [[spoiler:his mother trying to commit murder-suicide]].
--->'''Do-joon:''' [[spoiler:Don’t bother coming to visit me again; I don’t want to see you]].
** Near the end, when the mother asks [[spoiler:Ah-jung’s boyfriend]] if [[spoiler:he has a family]]; he says he doesn’t, with an ignorant smile, and she breaks into tears, [[spoiler:knowing that [[MiscarriageOfJustice no-one will save him from the murder accusation]]]].
** At the end of the film, when Do-joon [[spoiler:reveals the pins his mother forgot in the house where she killed the only witness who can confirm that Do-joon actually killed Ah-jung]], and [[spoiler:the mother finally uses them on herself]].
%%** Ah-jung’s background.
%%* TheWoobie: Ah-jung
!!The film:
* MagnificentBastard: Jin-tae blaming Do-joon for vandalising the expensive car, knowing he can’t recall anything else. Quite a dick move, considering how poor Do-joon and his mother are.
* {{Tearjerker}}: Oh yes:
** Do-joon recalling [[spoiler:his mother trying to commit murder-suicide]].
--->'''Do-joon:''' [[spoiler:Don’t bother coming to visit me again; I don’t want to see you]].
** Near the end, when the mother asks [[spoiler:Ah-jung’s boyfriend]] if [[spoiler:he has a family]]; he says he doesn’t, with an ignorant smile, and she breaks into tears, [[spoiler:knowing that [[MiscarriageOfJustice no-one will save him from the murder accusation]]]].
** At the end of the film, when Do-joon [[spoiler:reveals the pins his mother forgot in the house where she killed the only witness who can confirm that Do-joon actually killed Ah-jung]], and [[spoiler:the mother finally uses them on herself]].
%%** Ah-jung’s background.
%%* TheWoobie: Ah-jung
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** The Cactus Wolf may be a bit difficult, but keep in mind that Fassad can bum-rush for much more damage than your attack or Monkey Mimic. He also occasionally throws a Bomb for an easy 300 damage. Not to mention you probably got a few bombs of your own...
!!The film:
* MagnificentBastard: Jin-tae blaming Do-joon for vandalising the expensive car, knowing he can’t recall anything else. Quite a dick move, considering how poor Do-joon and his mother are.
* {{Tearjerker}}: Oh yes:
** Do-joon recalling [[spoiler:his mother trying to commit murder-suicide]].
--->'''Do-joon:''' [[spoiler:Don’t bother coming to visit me again; I don’t want to see you]].
** Near the end, when the mother asks [[spoiler:Ah-jung’s boyfriend]] if [[spoiler:he has a family]]; he says he doesn’t, with an ignorant smile, and she breaks into tears, [[spoiler:knowing that [[MiscarriageOfJustice no-one will save him from the murder accusation]]]].
** At the end of the film, when Do-joon [[spoiler:reveals the pins his mother forgot in the house where she killed the only witness who can confirm that Do-joon actually killed Ah-jung]], and [[spoiler:the mother finally uses them on herself]].
%%** Ah-jung’s background.
%%* TheWoobie: Ah-jungown...
!!The film:
* MagnificentBastard: Jin-tae blaming Do-joon for vandalising the expensive car, knowing he can’t recall anything else. Quite a dick move, considering how poor Do-joon and his mother are.
* {{Tearjerker}}: Oh yes:
** Do-joon recalling [[spoiler:his mother trying to commit murder-suicide]].
--->'''Do-joon:''' [[spoiler:Don’t bother coming to visit me again; I don’t want to see you]].
** Near the end, when the mother asks [[spoiler:Ah-jung’s boyfriend]] if [[spoiler:he has a family]]; he says he doesn’t, with an ignorant smile, and she breaks into tears, [[spoiler:knowing that [[MiscarriageOfJustice no-one will save him from the murder accusation]]]].
** At the end of the film, when Do-joon [[spoiler:reveals the pins his mother forgot in the house where she killed the only witness who can confirm that Do-joon actually killed Ah-jung]], and [[spoiler:the mother finally uses them on herself]].
%%** Ah-jung’s background.
%%* TheWoobie: Ah-jung
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* CultClassic: The whole series has a strong fanbase even years after the release of all three games, and in spite of their poor sales and/or not getting released outside of Japan.
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* CultClassic: The whole series has a strong fanbase even years after the release of all three games, and in spite of their poor sales and/or not getting released outside of Japan.Japan (until many Years later).
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* HypeBacklash: The NewbieBoom that happened after the UsefulNotes/WiiU UsefulNotes/VirtualConsole re-releases of ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' and ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' caused some newcomers unaware of the SacredCow status of the series to point out its otherwise overlooked flaws, some even going to the point of calling it overrated. This more affected ''[=EarthBound=]'' and ''VideoGame/MOTHER3'' though, since ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' being a divisive game has made it an AcceptableTarget for criticism. This has ''not'' gone well with the older fans. Even the newcomers who praise it have been given backlash because...
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* HypeBacklash: The NewbieBoom that happened after the UsefulNotes/Nintendo3DS and UsefulNotes/WiiU UsefulNotes/VirtualConsole re-releases of ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' and ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' caused some newcomers unaware of the SacredCow status of the series to point out its otherwise overlooked flaws, some even going to the point of calling it overrated. This more affected ''[=EarthBound=]'' and ''VideoGame/MOTHER3'' though, since ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' being a divisive game has made it an AcceptableTarget for criticism. This has ''not'' gone well with the older fans. Even the newcomers who praise it have been given backlash because...
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* HypeBacklash: The NewbieBoom that happened after the UsefulNotes/WiiU UsefulNotes/VirtualConsole re-releases of ''VideoGame/{{Earthbound}}'' and ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' caused some newcomers unaware of the SacredCow status of the series to point out its otherwise overlooked flaws, some even going to the point of calling it overrated. This more affected ''Earthbound'' and ''VideoGame/MOTHER3'' though, since ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' being a divisive game has made it an AcceptableTarget for criticism. This has ''not'' gone well with the older fans. Even the newcomers who praise it have been given backlash because...
* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Surprisingly, given the series's SacredCow status over the years. Upon ''Earthbound'' and ''[=EarthBound=] Beginnings'' being released on the Wii U eShop and thus allowing it to be known to a larger audience, a VocalMinority of [[OldGuardVersusNewBlood old guard]] has been in an uproar about it the more newcomers get into the series. It's gotten to the point where a few have proclaimed they ''don't'' want ''VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}'' to be rereleased in America, so it can "stay something unique" to the people who were in the [[CultClassic cult fanbase]] years before the above rereleases. [[note]]Along with general worries that an official Nintendo translation would end up [[{{Bowdlerise}} Bowdlerising]] some of the game's darker moments and completely get rid of Kumatora's occasional swearing, but generally these two go hand and hand with the above.[[/note]]
* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Surprisingly, given the series's SacredCow status over the years. Upon ''Earthbound'' and ''[=EarthBound=] Beginnings'' being released on the Wii U eShop and thus allowing it to be known to a larger audience, a VocalMinority of [[OldGuardVersusNewBlood old guard]] has been in an uproar about it the more newcomers get into the series. It's gotten to the point where a few have proclaimed they ''don't'' want ''VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}'' to be rereleased in America, so it can "stay something unique" to the people who were in the [[CultClassic cult fanbase]] years before the above rereleases. [[note]]Along with general worries that an official Nintendo translation would end up [[{{Bowdlerise}} Bowdlerising]] some of the game's darker moments and completely get rid of Kumatora's occasional swearing, but generally these two go hand and hand with the above.[[/note]]
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* HypeBacklash: The NewbieBoom that happened after the UsefulNotes/WiiU UsefulNotes/VirtualConsole re-releases of ''VideoGame/{{Earthbound}}'' ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' and ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' caused some newcomers unaware of the SacredCow status of the series to point out its otherwise overlooked flaws, some even going to the point of calling it overrated. This more affected ''Earthbound'' ''[=EarthBound=]'' and ''VideoGame/MOTHER3'' though, since ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' being a divisive game has made it an AcceptableTarget for criticism. This has ''not'' gone well with the older fans. Even the newcomers who praise it have been given backlash because...
* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Surprisingly, given the series's SacredCow status over the years. Upon''Earthbound'' ''[=EarthBound=]'' and ''[=EarthBound=] Beginnings'' being released on the Wii U eShop and thus allowing it to be known to a larger audience, a VocalMinority of [[OldGuardVersusNewBlood old guard]] has been in an uproar about it the more newcomers get into the series. It's gotten to the point where a few have proclaimed they ''don't'' want ''VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}'' to be rereleased in America, so it can "stay something unique" to the people who were in the [[CultClassic cult fanbase]] years before the above rereleases. [[note]]Along with general worries that an official Nintendo translation would end up [[{{Bowdlerise}} Bowdlerising]] some of the game's darker moments and completely get rid of Kumatora's occasional swearing, but generally these two go hand and hand with the above.[[/note]]
* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Surprisingly, given the series's SacredCow status over the years. Upon
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* MemeticBadass: The art style being what it is, it often overlaps with Memetic BadassAdorable. Ness and Lucas are strong kids with powerful psi, but fans would have you believe their bats could kill gods and Rockin'/Love Omega would damage the fabric of the universe if both were done at the same time. [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Princess Kumatora]] is joked to be a powerful spellcaster that other princesses of Nintendo franchises would do well to stay away from, even if [[spoiler:the princess part isn't technically accurate]]. Cue jokes that the likes of [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Zelda]], [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Lucina]], and [[VideoGame/KidIcarus Palutena]] gave sighs of relief when she was clearly too powerful to join the Smash roster.
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* MemeticBadass: The art style being what it is, it often overlaps with Memetic BadassAdorable. Ness and Lucas are strong kids with powerful psi, but fans would have you believe their bats could kill gods and Rockin'/Love Omega would damage the fabric of the universe if both were done at the same time. [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Princess Kumatora]] Kumatora is joked to be a powerful spellcaster that other princesses of Nintendo franchises would do well to stay away from, even if [[spoiler:the princess part isn't technically accurate]]. Cue jokes that the likes of [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Zelda]], [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Lucina]], and [[VideoGame/KidIcarus Palutena]] gave sighs of relief when she was clearly too powerful to join the Smash roster.
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** Clay models means we totally mean business, guys. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Among the fan work scene, there's a tendency to make clay models for fangames / [[GameMod ROM Hacks]] ala' what the main series does. Nine times out of ten, the clay models are often the ''only'' things that come from these projects, so as a result people often like to poke fun at it when the clay models are the only things revealed about the game / hack when announced. The only one that can possibly get away with this is ''VideoGame/{{Mother 4}}'', thanks to doing it [[GrandfatherClause before it became common place to poke fun at the practice]].[[/labelnote]]
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** Clay models means we totally mean business, guys. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Among the fan work scene, there's a tendency to make clay models for fangames / [[GameMod ROM Hacks]] ala' what the main series does. Nine times out of ten, the clay models are often the ''only'' things that come from these projects, so as a result people often like to poke fun at it when the clay models are the only things revealed about the game / hack when announced. The only one that can possibly get away with this is ''VideoGame/{{Mother 4}}'', ''VideoGame/{{Oddity}}'' back when it was ''MOTHER 4'', thanks to doing it [[GrandfatherClause before it became common place to poke fun at the practice]].[[/labelnote]]
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* DiscreditedMeme: Among the fangame circle, naming your fangame along the lines of "Mother /insert number 5 through 10 here/" has become this, thanks to a long list of parody fangames poking fun at people trying to follow the success of ''VideoGame/{{Mother 4}}'''s attempt at being an OriginalFlavour fangame for the series. It's gotten to the point that attempting to post such a game on the Starmen.net Forum, whether serious or not, will get you temporarily banned after posting it unless you change the name for it almost immediately.
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* DiscreditedMeme: Among the fangame circle, naming your fangame along the lines of "Mother /insert number 5 through 10 here/" has become this, thanks to a long list of parody fangames poking fun at people trying to follow the success of ''VideoGame/{{Mother 4}}'''s ''VideoGame/{{Oddity}}''(Then ''MOTHER 4'')'s attempt at being an OriginalFlavour fangame for the series. It's gotten to the point that attempting to post such a game on the Starmen.net Forum, whether serious or not, will get you temporarily banned after posting it unless you change the name for it almost immediately.
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* HypeBacklash: The NewbieBoom that happened after the UsefulNotes/WiiU UsefulNotes/VirtualConsole re-releases of ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' and ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' caused some newcomers unaware of the SacredCow status of the series to point out its otherwise overlooked flaws, some even going to the point of calling it overrated. This more affected ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' and ''VideoGame/MOTHER3'' though, since ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' being a divisive game has made it an AcceptableTarget for criticism. This has ''not'' gone well with the older fans. Even the newcomers who praise it have been given backlash because...
* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Surprisingly, given the series's SacredCow status over the years. Upon ''EarthBound'' and ''[=EarthBound=] Beginnings'' being released on the Wii U eShop and thus allowing it to be known to a larger audience, a VocalMinority of [[OldGuardVersusNewBlood old guard]] has been in an uproar about it the more newcomers get into the series. It's gotten to the point where a few have proclaimed they ''don't'' want ''VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}'' to be rereleased in America, so it can "stay something unique" to the people who were in the [[CultClassic cult fanbase]] years before the above rereleases. [[note]]Along with general worries that an official Nintendo translation would end up [[{{Bowdlerise}} Bowdlerising]] some of the game's darker moments and completely get rid of Kumatora's occasional swearing, but generally these two go hand and hand with the above.[[/note]]
* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Surprisingly, given the series's SacredCow status over the years. Upon ''EarthBound'' and ''[=EarthBound=] Beginnings'' being released on the Wii U eShop and thus allowing it to be known to a larger audience, a VocalMinority of [[OldGuardVersusNewBlood old guard]] has been in an uproar about it the more newcomers get into the series. It's gotten to the point where a few have proclaimed they ''don't'' want ''VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}'' to be rereleased in America, so it can "stay something unique" to the people who were in the [[CultClassic cult fanbase]] years before the above rereleases. [[note]]Along with general worries that an official Nintendo translation would end up [[{{Bowdlerise}} Bowdlerising]] some of the game's darker moments and completely get rid of Kumatora's occasional swearing, but generally these two go hand and hand with the above.[[/note]]
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* HypeBacklash: The NewbieBoom that happened after the UsefulNotes/WiiU UsefulNotes/VirtualConsole re-releases of ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' ''VideoGame/{{Earthbound}}'' and ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' caused some newcomers unaware of the SacredCow status of the series to point out its otherwise overlooked flaws, some even going to the point of calling it overrated. This more affected ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' ''Earthbound'' and ''VideoGame/MOTHER3'' though, since ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' being a divisive game has made it an AcceptableTarget for criticism. This has ''not'' gone well with the older fans. Even the newcomers who praise it have been given backlash because...
* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Surprisingly, given the series's SacredCow status over the years. Upon''EarthBound'' ''Earthbound'' and ''[=EarthBound=] Beginnings'' being released on the Wii U eShop and thus allowing it to be known to a larger audience, a VocalMinority of [[OldGuardVersusNewBlood old guard]] has been in an uproar about it the more newcomers get into the series. It's gotten to the point where a few have proclaimed they ''don't'' want ''VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}'' to be rereleased in America, so it can "stay something unique" to the people who were in the [[CultClassic cult fanbase]] years before the above rereleases. [[note]]Along with general worries that an official Nintendo translation would end up [[{{Bowdlerise}} Bowdlerising]] some of the game's darker moments and completely get rid of Kumatora's occasional swearing, but generally these two go hand and hand with the above.[[/note]]
* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Surprisingly, given the series's SacredCow status over the years. Upon
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* CultClassic: The whole series has a strong fanbase even years after the release of all three games.
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* CultClassic: The whole series has a strong fanbase even years after the release of all three games.games, and in spite of their poor sales and/or not getting released outside of Japan.
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* CultClassic: The whole series.
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* CultClassic: The whole series.series has a strong fanbase even years after the release of all three games.
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What about Ah-Jung's background is a tearjerker? "Poor, poor Ah-Jung" is not an example. Zero Context Example. Please expand before readding.
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** Ah-jung’s background.
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** "Is Ness 'x'!?!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Based off of WebVideo/GameTheory's [[CriticalResearchFailure infamous]] "[[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} sans secret identity revealed!?!]]" video, [[BeamMeUpScotty frequently missed quoted as 'Is Ness sans!?!']], any theory that involves the Mother games will inevitably have someone make this joke.[[/labelnote]]
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** "Is Ness 'x'!?!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Based off of WebVideo/GameTheory's [[CriticalResearchFailure infamous]] "[[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} sans secret identity revealed!?!]]" is Ness sans!?!]]" video, [[BeamMeUpScotty frequently missed quoted as 'Is Ness sans!?!']], any theory that involves the Mother games will inevitably have someone make this joke.[[/labelnote]]
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** "Is Ness 'x'!?!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Based off of WebVideo/GameTheory's [[CriticalResearchFailure infamous]] "Is Ness [[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} sans!?!]]" video, any theory that involves the Mother games will inevitably have someone make this joke.[[/labelnote]]
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** "Is Ness 'x'!?!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Based off of WebVideo/GameTheory's [[CriticalResearchFailure infamous]] "Is Ness [[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} sans!?!]]" "[[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} sans secret identity revealed!?!]]" video, [[BeamMeUpScotty frequently missed quoted as 'Is Ness sans!?!']], any theory that involves the Mother games will inevitably have someone make this joke.[[/labelnote]]
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** "Is Ness 'x'!?!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Based off of WebOriginal/GameTheory's [[CriticalResearchFailure infamous]] "Is Ness [[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} sans!?!]]" video, any theory that involves the Mother games will inevitably have someone make this joke.[[/labelnote]]
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** "Is Ness 'x'!?!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Based off of WebOriginal/GameTheory's WebVideo/GameTheory's [[CriticalResearchFailure infamous]] "Is Ness [[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} sans!?!]]" video, any theory that involves the Mother games will inevitably have someone make this joke.[[/labelnote]]
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** "Is Ness 'x'!?!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Based off of WebOriginal/GameTheory's [[CriticalResearchFailure infamous]] "Is Ness [[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} sans!?!]]" video, any theory that involves the Mother games will inevitably have someone make this joke.[[/labelnote]]
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* HypeBacklash: The NewbieBoom that happened after the UsefulNotes/WiiU UsefulNotes/VirtualConsole re-releases of ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' and ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' caused some newcomers unaware of the SacredCow status of the series to point out its otherwise overlooked flaws, some even going to the point of calling it overrated. This more affected ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' and ''VideoGame/MOTHER3'' though, since ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' being a LoveItOrHateIt game has made it an AcceptableTarget for criticism. This has ''not'' gone well with the older fans. Even the newcomers who praise it have been given backlash because...
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* HypeBacklash: The NewbieBoom that happened after the UsefulNotes/WiiU UsefulNotes/VirtualConsole re-releases of ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' and ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' caused some newcomers unaware of the SacredCow status of the series to point out its otherwise overlooked flaws, some even going to the point of calling it overrated. This more affected ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' and ''VideoGame/MOTHER3'' though, since ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' being a LoveItOrHateIt divisive game has made it an AcceptableTarget for criticism. This has ''not'' gone well with the older fans. Even the newcomers who praise it have been given backlash because...
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* LoveItOrHateIt: Among hardcore RPG purist, at least, the games "modern" settings either tend to be regarded as a refreshing and unique take on the genre or clashes terribly with a genre best know for epic medieval fantasies or space fantasies. ''LetsPlay/HCBailly'' is a vocal advocate on this, having stated a few times he doesn't like the ''VideoGame/{{MOTHER}}'' series for this exact reason.
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* MemeticBadass: The art style being what it is, it often overlaps with Memetic BadassAdorable. Ness and Lucas are strong kids with powerful psi, but fans would have you believe their bats could kill gods and Rockin'/Love Omega would damage the fabric of the universe if both were done at the same time. [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Princess Kumatora]] is joked to be a powerful spellcaster that other princesses of Nintendo franchises would do well to stay away from, even if [[spoiler:the princess part isn't technically accurate]]. Cue jokes that the likes of [[FranchiseTheLegendOfZelda Zelda]], [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Lucina]], and [[VideoGame/KidIcarus Palutena]] gave sighs of relief when she was clearly too powerful to join the Smash roster.
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* MemeticBadass: The art style being what it is, it often overlaps with Memetic BadassAdorable. Ness and Lucas are strong kids with powerful psi, but fans would have you believe their bats could kill gods and Rockin'/Love Omega would damage the fabric of the universe if both were done at the same time. [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Princess Kumatora]] is joked to be a powerful spellcaster that other princesses of Nintendo franchises would do well to stay away from, even if [[spoiler:the princess part isn't technically accurate]]. Cue jokes that the likes of [[FranchiseTheLegendOfZelda [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Zelda]], [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Lucina]], and [[VideoGame/KidIcarus Palutena]] gave sighs of relief when she was clearly too powerful to join the Smash roster.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Due to Itoi's penchant for leaving a lot of elements of characters' personalities, motivations, and stories implicit or merely hinted at rather than stating them outright, as well as the relative drought of direct interactions between major characters during the first two games, you can find any number of interpretations of just about any character in the series.
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** Flint qualifies too. He survives two PK Love Omega and is shown standing perfectly. Also helps he's dressed the same as Chuck Norris.
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* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Surprisingly, given the series SacredCow status over the years. Upon ''EarthBound'' and ''[=EarthBound=] Beginnings'' being released on the Wii U eShop and thus allowing it to be known to a larger audience, a VocalMinority of [[OldGuardVersusNewBlood old guard]] has been in an uproar about it the more newcomers get into the series. It's gotten to the point where a few have proclaimed they ''don't'' want ''VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}'' to be rereleased in America, so it can "stay something unique" to the people who were in the [[CultClassic cult fanbase]] years before the above rereleases. [[note]]Along with general worries that an official Nintendo translation would end up [[{{Bowdlerise}} Bowdlerising]] some of the game's darker moments and completely get rid of Kumatora's occasional swearing, but generally these two go hand and hand with the above.[[/note]]
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* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Surprisingly, given the series series's SacredCow status over the years. Upon ''EarthBound'' and ''[=EarthBound=] Beginnings'' being released on the Wii U eShop and thus allowing it to be known to a larger audience, a VocalMinority of [[OldGuardVersusNewBlood old guard]] has been in an uproar about it the more newcomers get into the series. It's gotten to the point where a few have proclaimed they ''don't'' want ''VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}'' to be rereleased in America, so it can "stay something unique" to the people who were in the [[CultClassic cult fanbase]] years before the above rereleases. [[note]]Along with general worries that an official Nintendo translation would end up [[{{Bowdlerise}} Bowdlerising]] some of the game's darker moments and completely get rid of Kumatora's occasional swearing, but generally these two go hand and hand with the above.[[/note]]
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* SacredCow: Boy is Boy, was it ever...Though this status has become increasingly downplayed over the years thanks to [[NewbieBoom more people getting into the series]] ([[HypeBacklash and pointing out its flaws]]).
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* MemeticBadass: The art style being what it is, it often overlaps with Memetic BadassAdorable. Ness and Lucas are strong kids with powerful psi, but fans would have you believe their bats could kill gods and Rockin'/Love Omega would damage the fabric of the universe if both were done at the same time. [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Princess Kumatora]] is joked to be a powerful spellcaster that other princesses of Nintendo franchises would do well to stay away from, even if [[spoiler:the princess part isn't technically accurate]]. Cue jokes that the likes of [[FranchiseTheLegendOfZelda Zelda]], [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Lusina]], and [[VideoGame/KidIcarus Palutina]] gave sighs of relief when she was clearly too powerful to join the Smash roster.
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* MemeticBadass: The art style being what it is, it often overlaps with Memetic BadassAdorable. Ness and Lucas are strong kids with powerful psi, but fans would have you believe their bats could kill gods and Rockin'/Love Omega would damage the fabric of the universe if both were done at the same time. [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Princess Kumatora]] is joked to be a powerful spellcaster that other princesses of Nintendo franchises would do well to stay away from, even if [[spoiler:the princess part isn't technically accurate]]. Cue jokes that the likes of [[FranchiseTheLegendOfZelda Zelda]], [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Lusina]], Lucina]], and [[VideoGame/KidIcarus Palutina]] Palutena]] gave sighs of relief when she was clearly too powerful to join the Smash roster.