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* BrokenBase: In the 2e rewrite, there was a ''very'' vehement debate about the author's plans for revising the Marduk Society, which reached the point where, amidst the accusations of CreatorsPet and AuthorTract, ''The author of TabletopGame/PrincessTheHopeful'' (which can be quite succinctly described as "The game of playing a genuine White Hat in the TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness") spoke out against the Marduk Society, claiming that they sounded ''too White Hat for the setting''. Fortunately, when the 2e Marduk Society writeup was made public, it turned out that many of the fears and accusations were unfounded (see PaperTiger for one example). There's still some debate about the proper "theme" of the Society, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap but it's not the hugely divisive matter it was earlier in the project.]]
* MoralEventHorizon: Marduk's disciples, the Sky Wizards, crossed it in the backstory when they murdered their master to prevent him from becoming a HopeBringer, because they realized [[BadPowersBadPeople it would weaken their despair-fueled powers]]. Furthermore, they started hunting leviathans no longer to simply protect the world, [[ImmortalitySeeker but to harvest their flesh and eat it so they could be immortal]], using the genuinely-heroic Marduk Society as pawns for ''centuries'' before they were finally discovered and overthrown in a crippling civil war.

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* BrokenBase: In the 2e rewrite, there was a ''very'' vehement debate about the author's plans for revising the Marduk Society, which reached the point where, amidst the accusations of CreatorsPet and AuthorTract, ''The ''the author of TabletopGame/PrincessTheHopeful'' (which can be quite succinctly described as "The game of playing a genuine White Hat in the TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness") spoke out against the Marduk Society, claiming that they sounded ''too White Hat for the setting''. Fortunately, when the 2e Marduk Society writeup was made public, it turned out that many of the fears and accusations were unfounded (see PaperTiger for one example). There's still some debate about the proper "theme" of the Society, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap but it's not the hugely divisive matter it was earlier in the project.]]
* MoralEventHorizon: Marduk's disciples, the Sky Wizards, crossed it in the backstory when they murdered their master to prevent him from becoming a HopeBringer, because they realized [[BadPowersBadPeople it would weaken their despair-fueled powers]]. Furthermore, they started hunting leviathans Leviathans no longer to simply protect the world, [[ImmortalitySeeker but to harvest their flesh and eat it so they could be immortal]], using the genuinely-heroic Marduk Society as pawns for ''centuries'' before they were finally discovered and overthrown in a crippling civil war.
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* BrokenBase: In the 2e rewrite, there was a ''very'' vehement debate about the author's plans for revising the Marduk Society, which reached the point where, amidst the accusations of CreatorsPet and AuthorTract, ''The author of TabletopGame/PrincessTheHopeful'', which can be quite succinctly described as "The game of playing a genuine White Hat in the TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness", spoke out against the Marduk Society, claiming that they sounded ''too White Hat for the setting''. Fortunately, when the 2e Marduk Society writeup was made public, it turned out that many of the fears and accusations were unfounded (see PaperTiger for one example). There's still some debate about the proper "theme" of the Society, but it's not the hugely divisive matter it was earlier in the project.
* MoralEventHorizon: Marduk's disciples crossed it in the backstory when they murdered their master to prevent him from becoming a HopeBringer, because they realized it would weaken their powers.
* WoobieSpecies: You exude a MindRape effect despite yourself, you are forced into emotionally abusing your cultists, it is quite possible you are utterly without guidance in the world due to low numbers of Leviathans, and the oldest organization of Monster Hunters in the world want you dead for perfectly valid reasons. It's official-this game has not only made ''[[EldritchAbomination Cthulhu's cousins]]'' sympathetic creatures, it has shown them in need of a shoulder to cry on (indeed, that's why they get [[StalkerWithACrush possessive]] of [[PowerNullifier Atolls]]-they're the only people in the world who can talk to a Leviathan like an ''actual person'').
** Oh, and we forgot to mention one little detail; Atolls, at least in 2e? They aren't necessarily nice people. In fact, many of them become abusive manipulators who use the influence they have over Leviathans to literally ''enslave them'' for their own amusement. It's a lot easier than it sounds, since an Atoll in 2e can cause a Leviathan's SanityMeter to lose points ''by scolding them''. Of course, this can become a case of GoneHorriblyRight for such Atolls... which only drives a Leviathan deeper into madness...

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* BrokenBase: In the 2e rewrite, there was a ''very'' vehement debate about the author's plans for revising the Marduk Society, which reached the point where, amidst the accusations of CreatorsPet and AuthorTract, ''The author of TabletopGame/PrincessTheHopeful'', which TabletopGame/PrincessTheHopeful'' (which can be quite succinctly described as "The game of playing a genuine White Hat in the TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness", TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness") spoke out against the Marduk Society, claiming that they sounded ''too White Hat for the setting''. Fortunately, when the 2e Marduk Society writeup was made public, it turned out that many of the fears and accusations were unfounded (see PaperTiger for one example). There's still some debate about the proper "theme" of the Society, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap but it's not the hugely divisive matter it was earlier in the project.
project.]]
* MoralEventHorizon: Marduk's disciples disciples, the Sky Wizards, crossed it in the backstory when they murdered their master to prevent him from becoming a HopeBringer, because they realized [[BadPowersBadPeople it would weaken their powers.
despair-fueled powers]]. Furthermore, they started hunting leviathans no longer to simply protect the world, [[ImmortalitySeeker but to harvest their flesh and eat it so they could be immortal]], using the genuinely-heroic Marduk Society as pawns for ''centuries'' before they were finally discovered and overthrown in a crippling civil war.
* WoobieSpecies: You exude a MindRape effect despite yourself, you are forced into emotionally abusing your cultists, it is quite possible you are utterly without guidance in the world due to low numbers of Leviathans, and the oldest organization of Monster Hunters in the world want you dead for perfectly valid reasons. It's official-this game has not only made ''[[EldritchAbomination Cthulhu's cousins]]'' sympathetic creatures, it has shown them in need of a shoulder to cry on (indeed, that's why they get [[StalkerWithACrush possessive]] of [[PowerNullifier Atolls]]-they're the only people in the world who can talk to a Leviathan like an ''actual person'').
person'' without being driven insane by the Wake).
** Oh, and we forgot to mention one little detail; Atolls, at least in 2e? [[GoodPowersBadPeople They aren't necessarily nice people.people]]. In fact, many of them become abusive manipulators who use the influence they have over Leviathans to literally ''enslave them'' for their own amusement. It's a lot easier than it sounds, since an Atoll in 2e can cause a Leviathan's SanityMeter to lose points ''by scolding them''. Of course, this can become a case of GoneHorriblyRight for such Atolls... which only drives a Leviathan deeper into madness...

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* TheWoobie: You exude a MindRape effect despite yourself, you are forced into emotionally abusing your cultists, it is quite possible you are utterly without guidance in the world due to low numbers of Leviathans, and the oldest organization of Monster Hunters in the world want you dead for perfectly valid reasons. It's official-this game has not only made ''[[EldritchAbomination Cthulhu's cousins]]'' sympathetic creatures, it has shown them in need of a shoulder to cry on (indeed, that's why they get [[StalkerWithACrush possessive]] of [[PowerNullifier Atolls]]-they're the only people in the world who can talk to a Leviathan like an ''actual person'').

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* TheWoobie: MoralEventHorizon: Marduk's disciples crossed it in the backstory when they murdered their master to prevent him from becoming a HopeBringer, because they realized it would weaken their powers.
* WoobieSpecies:
You exude a MindRape effect despite yourself, you are forced into emotionally abusing your cultists, it is quite possible you are utterly without guidance in the world due to low numbers of Leviathans, and the oldest organization of Monster Hunters in the world want you dead for perfectly valid reasons. It's official-this game has not only made ''[[EldritchAbomination Cthulhu's cousins]]'' sympathetic creatures, it has shown them in need of a shoulder to cry on (indeed, that's why they get [[StalkerWithACrush possessive]] of [[PowerNullifier Atolls]]-they're the only people in the world who can talk to a Leviathan like an ''actual person'').

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* BrokenBase: A major split in the fandom has occurred as a result of the planned revisions to the Marduk Society in the 2nd edition. Specifically, the fandom itself, who generally disapproves of the changes, against the update's primary writer, who is all for them.
** How bad is it? ''The author of TabletopGame/PrincessTheHopeful'', which can be quite succinctly described as "The game of playing a genuine WhiteHat in the TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness", has spoken out against the Marduk Society, claiming that they are ''too WhiteHat for the setting''.
* CreatorsPet: The author of the 2e ''really'' likes the Marduk Society, especially the metaphor of "Reason & Progress make humanity better" that they represent. This has not gone unnoticed by the fandom, leading to accusations of AuthorTract.

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* BrokenBase: A major split in In the fandom has occurred as 2e rewrite, there was a result of ''very'' vehement debate about the planned revisions to author's plans for revising the Marduk Society in Society, which reached the 2nd edition. Specifically, point where, amidst the fandom itself, who generally disapproves accusations of the changes, against the update's primary writer, who is all for them.
** How bad is it?
CreatorsPet and AuthorTract, ''The author of TabletopGame/PrincessTheHopeful'', which can be quite succinctly described as "The game of playing a genuine WhiteHat White Hat in the TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness", has spoken spoke out against the Marduk Society, claiming that they are sounded ''too WhiteHat White Hat for the setting''.
* CreatorsPet: The author
setting''. Fortunately, when the 2e Marduk Society writeup was made public, it turned out that many of the 2e ''really'' likes the Marduk Society, especially the metaphor of "Reason & Progress make humanity better" that they represent. This has not gone unnoticed by the fandom, leading to fears and accusations were unfounded (see PaperTiger for one example). There's still some debate about the proper "theme" of AuthorTract.the Society, but it's not the hugely divisive matter it was earlier in the project.



** Oh, and we forgot to mention one little detail; Atolls, at least in 2e? They aren't necessarily nice people. In fact, many of them become abusive manipulators who use the influence they have over Leviathans to literally ''enslave them'' for their own amusement.

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** Oh, and we forgot to mention one little detail; Atolls, at least in 2e? They aren't necessarily nice people. In fact, many of them become abusive manipulators who use the influence they have over Leviathans to literally ''enslave them'' for their own amusement. It's a lot easier than it sounds, since an Atoll in 2e can cause a Leviathan's SanityMeter to lose points ''by scolding them''. Of course, this can become a case of GoneHorriblyRight for such Atolls... which only drives a Leviathan deeper into madness...
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* TheWoobie: You exude a MindRape effect despite yourself, you are forced into emotionally abusing your cultists, it is quite possible you are utterly without guidance in the world due to low numbers of Leviathans, and the oldest organization of Monster Hunters in the world want you dead for perfectly valid reasons. It's official-this game has not only made ''[[EldritchAbomination Cthulhu's cousins]]'' sympathetic creatures, it has shown them in need of a shoulder to cry on (indeed, that's why they get [[StalkerWithACrush possessive]] of [[PowerNullifier Atolls]]-they're the only people in the world who can talk to a Leviathan like an ''actual person'').

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* TheWoobie: You exude a MindRape effect despite yourself, you are forced into emotionally abusing your cultists, it is quite possible you are utterly without guidance in the world due to low numbers of Leviathans, and the oldest organization of Monster Hunters in the world want you dead for perfectly valid reasons. It's official-this game has not only made ''[[EldritchAbomination Cthulhu's cousins]]'' sympathetic creatures, it has shown them in need of a shoulder to cry on (indeed, that's why they get [[StalkerWithACrush possessive]] of [[PowerNullifier Atolls]]-they're the only people in the world who can talk to a Leviathan like an ''actual person'').person'').
** Oh, and we forgot to mention one little detail; Atolls, at least in 2e? They aren't necessarily nice people. In fact, many of them become abusive manipulators who use the influence they have over Leviathans to literally ''enslave them'' for their own amusement.
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* BrokenBase: A major split in the fandom has occurred as a result of the planned revisions to the Marduk Society in the 2nd edition. Specifically, the fandom itself, who generally disapproves of the changes, against the update's primary writer, who is all for them.
** How bad is it? ''The author of TabletopGame/PrincessTheHopeful'', which can be quite succinctly described as "The game of playing a genuine WhiteHat in the TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness", has spoken out against the Marduk Society, claiming that they are ''too WhiteHat for the setting''.
* CreatorsPet: The author of the 2e ''really'' likes the Marduk Society, especially the metaphor of "Reason & Progress make humanity better" that they represent. This has not gone unnoticed by the fandom, leading to accusations of AuthorTract.

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* TheWoobie: You exude a MindRape effect despite yourself, you are pretty much forced into emotionally abusing your cultists, it is quite possible you are utterly without guidance in the world due to low numbers of Leviathans, and the oldest organization of Monster Hunters in the world want you dead for perfectly valid reasons. It's official-this game has not only made ''[[EldritchAbomination Cthulhu's cousins]]'' sympathetic creatures, it has shown them in need of a shoulder to cry on (indeed, that's why they get [[StalkerWithACrush possessive]] of [[PowerNullifier Atolls]]-they're pretty much the only people in the world who can talk to a Leviathan like an ''actual person'').
** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: In that light, it's hard not to see [[TragicMonster Typhons]] and [[HiddenAgendaVillain Deep Ones]] as this.

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* TheWoobie: You exude a MindRape effect despite yourself, you are pretty much forced into emotionally abusing your cultists, it is quite possible you are utterly without guidance in the world due to low numbers of Leviathans, and the oldest organization of Monster Hunters in the world want you dead for perfectly valid reasons. It's official-this game has not only made ''[[EldritchAbomination Cthulhu's cousins]]'' sympathetic creatures, it has shown them in need of a shoulder to cry on (indeed, that's why they get [[StalkerWithACrush possessive]] of [[PowerNullifier Atolls]]-they're pretty much the only people in the world who can talk to a Leviathan like an ''actual person'').
** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: In that light, it's hard not to see [[TragicMonster Typhons]] and [[HiddenAgendaVillain Deep Ones]] as this.
person'').

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