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* CanonSue: Revan.

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* CanonSue: Revan.Revan is frequently praised by allies and enemies alike. It makes a fan wonder who he really was not as a Sith, or a Jedi, or a leader, but as a man.


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** In the second game, HK-47 heavily implies that ''Revan'' was one of these long before the Jedi Civil War. For being lauded as a charismatic and inspiring leader by many, it's rather jarring being told (by his top assassin droid) that Revan specifically used [[AndIMustScream Malachor V]] to 'cleaned house'; he sent the troops that he didn't like to horribly die there, or be so broken and traumatized that they'd be quick to convert to his cause.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: [[spoiler:The first game's Light Side ending rings hollow when you remember that Revan now has to deal with the fact that not only was his entire life prior to TheReveal was a total lie, but that the entire conflict ''was entirely his fault!'']]

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* EsotericHappyEnding: [[spoiler:The first game's Light Side ending rings hollow when you remember that Revan now has to deal with the fact that not only was his entire life prior to TheReveal was a total lie, but that the entire conflict ''was entirely his fault!'']]
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* EsotericHappyEnding: [[spoiler:The first game's Light Side ending rings hollow when you remember that Revan now has to deal with the fact that not only was his entire life prior to TheReveal a total lie, but that the entire conflict ''was entirely his fault!'']]

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* EsotericHappyEnding: [[spoiler:The first game's Light Side ending rings hollow when you remember that Revan now has to deal with the fact that not only was his entire life prior to TheReveal was a total lie, but that the entire conflict ''was entirely his fault!'']]
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* EsotericHappyEnding: [[spoiler:The first game's Light Side ending rings hollow when you remember that Revan now has to deal with the fact that not only was his entire life prior to TheReveal a total lie, but that the entire conflict ''was entirely his fault!'']]
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* CharacterDerailment:
** Saul Karath is so bad, it's hard to tell which way he's being derailed. [[spoiler:When Malak announces his intention to destroy Taris, Saul weakly protests, citing among other things, the fact that they'd be killing millions of innocent people. Yet when Carth confronts him with his betrayal and subsequent bombing of his home planet Telos which resulted in the death of his wife, Karath coldly tells him that civilian deaths are necessary at war.]] The writers must have suffered from severe communication problems.
*** [[spoiler:To be fair, Taris was a planet completely covered by a city, and had Sith troops deployed on the surface, whereas Telos was just a regular planet with a few cities. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Billions died on Taris, millions died on Telos]]. Not to mention no one is at war with Taris when it is bombed.]]
** Zez-Kai Ell and Kavar [[spoiler:suddenly turn into Vrook's sycophants during the Light Side Jedi Council scene]]. Kavar you might just barely believe, since he doesn't seem that torn up about your exile the first time. Zez-Kai Ell, on the other hand, [[spoiler:seems genuinely remorseful about the Council's rash actions at the start, making his sudden conversion to a hard-liner that much more ridiculous]].
** Even Vrook between the first and second games. Play things through fully lightsided in the first game and it's quite easy to earn Vrook's respect and he will compliment you without hesitation. In the second game, ''nothing'' you do is good enough for him. One could say his attitude is different because he's dealing with different characters, but then again, one could easily say he's fallen prey to {{Flanderization}}.


* CharacterAlignment:
** LawfulGood: Carth, Bastila, Zaalbar, The Handmaiden
** NeutralGood: The Exile, Bao-Dur
** ChaoticGood: Mission, Jolee, Mira
** LawfulNeutral: T3-M4
** TrueNeutral: Kreia, who does not care about the Jedi or the Sith: she just wants to be the one manipulating events and not the one being manipulated.
** ChaoticNeutral: Atton
** LawfulEvil: Canderous, Saul, GO-TO
** NeutralEvil: Darth Malak
** ChaoticEvil: Calo, Hanharr, HK-47

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* DemonicSpiders: The terentatek. To wit, they almost never miss, even with a high defense, hit hard enough to kill your character in about five hits, have a chance at Force pushing you, poisoning you, and are resistant (but thankfully not immune) to Force powers

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* DemonicSpiders: The terentatek. To wit, they almost never miss, even with if you have a high defense, hit hard enough to kill your character in about five hits, have a chance at Force pushing you, poisoning you, and are resistant (but thankfully not immune) to Force powerspowers.


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* LoopholeAbuse: The easiest way to win the final training battle with the Handmaiden sisters in the second game. They do ridiculous damage and will kill most players in a fair fight. To win, you have to trick them into backing off of the mat (thereby disqualifying themselves) by walking up to them. This causes the AI to back up so it'll be in attack position, which you can repeat infinitely. Just be sure to keep those melee shields charged.
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* Even Vrook between the first and second games. Play things through fully lightsided in the first game and it's quite easy to earn Vrook's respect and he will compliment you without hesitation. In the second game, ''nothing'' you do is good enough for him. One could say his attitude is different because he's dealing with different characters, but then again, one could easily say he's fallen prey to {{Flanderization}}.

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* ** Even Vrook between the first and second games. Play things through fully lightsided in the first game and it's quite easy to earn Vrook's respect and he will compliment you without hesitation. In the second game, ''nothing'' you do is good enough for him. One could say his attitude is different because he's dealing with different characters, but then again, one could easily say he's fallen prey to {{Flanderization}}.
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* Even Vrook between the first and second games. Play things through fully lightsided in the first game and it's quite easy to earn Vrook's respect and he will compliment you without hesitation. In the second game, ''nothing'' you do is good enough for him. One could say his attitude is different because he's dealing with different characters, but then again, one could easily say he's fallen prey to {{Flanderization}}.
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*** Some people even say that it could have been better than [=KotOR=] if Obsidian was actually [[ExecutiveMeddling given enough time to finish the game]].

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depends on what level you fight her, she can have nearly 1000 hit points.


* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler: Kreia/Darth Traya]] in the second game. Sure, she hovers three lightsabres in front of you, but all you have to do is sidestep them, then hit her a few times.

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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler: Kreia/Darth Traya]] in the second game.game can be one. Sure, she hovers three lightsabres in front of you, but all you have to do is sidestep them, then hit her a few times. It really depends on how much you've leveled yourself by the time you get there. Her health is three times yours, and at higher levels that's a number reaching up to 1000. Still, her floating lightsabers aren't that tough. Nihilus counts, too. For a guy touted as an utter monster, a decently equipped party will tear him apart in under a minute.
* BaseBreaker: Most fans either like Carth or outright loathe him.

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** Saul Karath. [[spoiler:When Malak announces his intention to destroy Taris, Saul weakly protests, citing among other things, the fact that they'd be killing millions of innocent people. Yet when Carth confronts him with his betrayal and subsequent bombing of his home planet Telos which resulted in the death of his wife, Karath coldly tells him that civilian deaths are necessary at war.]] The writers must have suffered from severe communication problems.
*** [[spoiler:To be fair, Taris was a planet completely covered by a city, and had sith troops deployed on the surface, whereas Telos was just a regular planet with a few cities. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Billions died on Taris, millions died on Telos]]]].
**** Not to mention no one is at war with Taris when it is bombed.
** Zez-Kai Ell and Kavar [[spoiler:suddenly turn into Vrook's sycophants during the Light Side Jedi Council scene]].

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** Saul Karath.Karath is so bad, it's hard to tell which way he's being derailed. [[spoiler:When Malak announces his intention to destroy Taris, Saul weakly protests, citing among other things, the fact that they'd be killing millions of innocent people. Yet when Carth confronts him with his betrayal and subsequent bombing of his home planet Telos which resulted in the death of his wife, Karath coldly tells him that civilian deaths are necessary at war.]] The writers must have suffered from severe communication problems.
*** [[spoiler:To be fair, Taris was a planet completely covered by a city, and had sith Sith troops deployed on the surface, whereas Telos was just a regular planet with a few cities. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Billions died on Taris, millions died on Telos]]]].
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Telos]]. Not to mention no one is at war with Taris when it is bombed.
bombed.]]
** Zez-Kai Ell and Kavar [[spoiler:suddenly turn into Vrook's sycophants during the Light Side Jedi Council scene]]. Kavar you might just barely believe, since he doesn't seem that torn up about your exile the first time. Zez-Kai Ell, on the other hand, [[spoiler:seems genuinely remorseful about the Council's rash actions at the start, making his sudden conversion to a hard-liner that much more ridiculous]].



** Darth Nihilus in the sequel. He [[PersonOfMassDestruction devours whole planets without a second thought]]. It is implied that he is so far gone beyond humanity that he is closer to an {{Eldritch Abomination}}. The [[VillainProtagonist player character]] can be played as one, if you go Dark Side.
* DemonicSpiders: The terentatek.

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** Darth Nihilus in the sequel. He [[PersonOfMassDestruction devours whole planets without a second thought]]. It is implied that he is so far gone beyond humanity that he is closer to an {{Eldritch Abomination}}. The [[VillainProtagonist player character]] in either game can be played as one, if you go Dark Side.
* DemonicSpiders: The terentatek. To wit, they almost never miss, even with a high defense, hit hard enough to kill your character in about five hits, have a chance at Force pushing you, poisoning you, and are resistant (but thankfully not immune) to Force powers
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* {{Narm}}: If you take your party members' items from them before rotating to a new group (which is generally recommended to keep idle members from hogging the good gear), you can be treated to the ridiculous sight of characters having serious conversations in their underwear. You can put them in the default "Clothing" armor to keep them respectable, but it's a lot easier to just select "None" and call it a day.
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**** Not to mention no one is at war with Taris when it is bombed.
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** Zez-Kai Ell and Kavar [[spoiler:suddenly turn into Vrook's sycophants during the Light Side Jedi Council scene.

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** Zez-Kai Ell and Kavar [[spoiler:suddenly turn into Vrook's sycophants during the Light Side Jedi Council scene.scene]].

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* {{Narm}}: If you take your party members' items from them before rotating to a new group (which is generally recommended to keep idle members from hogging the good gear), you can be treated to the ridiculous sight of characters having serious conversations in their underwear. You can put them in the default "Clothing" armor to keep them respectable, but it's a lot easier to just select "None" and call it a day.



** Mission's Brother Griff, who is not so much evil as a scumbag.
** Jedi Master Atris,
** Visquis the wannabe Crime Boss.

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** Mission's Brother brother, Griff, who is not so much evil as a scumbag.
** Jedi Master Atris,
Atris.
** Visquis the wannabe Crime Boss.crime boss.

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Since this is invoked in-universe, I think we can tag it as such and move it back to the main page.


* {{Squick}}: If the male exile flirts with Mira, she expresses such due to the age gap (odd, as except for Atton the other 3 possible love interests are only 2 years older according to WordOfGod)
** She confirms it's more of an emotional age than physical age, saying that the Exile has been through so much as to seem old. She does note that he obviously still looks good and "takes care of his body." She finally says that the Handmaiden and Visas are already fighting over him, and she doesn't want to deal with the drama.

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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler: Kreia/Darth Traya]] in the second game. Sure, she hovers three lightsabres in front of you, but all you have to do is sidestep them, then hit her a few times.



* MemeticBadass: Among many fans, Revan can beat anyone. ''Anyone.'' Just google Revan into Google Images, and you will get at least 5 Demotivational posters saying "Revan. Because Vader was a pansy."

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* MemeticBadass: MemeticBadass:
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Among many fans, Revan can beat anyone. ''Anyone.'' Just google Revan into Google Images, and you will get at least 5 Demotivational posters saying "Revan. Because Vader was a pansy."
** Calo Nord. "Go away. One... Two... smart.
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** LawfulGood: Carth, Bastila, The Handmaiden
** NeutralGood: The Exile, Bao-Dur

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** LawfulGood: Carth, Bastila, Zaalbar, The Handmaiden
** NeutralGood: The Exile, Bao-Dur Bao-Dur
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* GameBreaker: The Weapon Master prestige class.


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* MemeticBadass: Among many fans, Revan can beat anyone. ''Anyone.'' Just google Revan into Google Images, and you will get at least 5 Demotivational posters saying "Revan. Because Vader was a pansy."
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HK-47 doesn\'t use adjectives. That\'s the HK-50s.


** Objective Assessment: HK-47 is far more interesting than any meatbag.

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** Objective Assessment: HK-47 is far more interesting than any meatbag.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The second game makes you think about the first game and what Revan's real motivations were.



* DirtyCoward: When Saul is in charge, he's a textbook definition of a SmugSnake. When Malak's around, he's reduced to a stammering wimp of a man.


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* MagnificentBastard: [[spoiler:Kreia]] is [=KotOR=]'s Emperor Palpatine. Revan is retconned into one. Everything in the Jedi Civil War was as he foresaw. Right up until, uh, everything went to Hell.


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* MemeticMutation: In the sequel: "APATHY IS DEATH."

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** TierInducedScrappy: In addition to the above, gameplay wise he's a much weaker character and the bonuses (very minor compared to the handmaidens wisdom to AC) he give are far inferior to what Handmaiden can give.



** TierInducedScrappy: In addition to the above, gameplay wise he's a much weaker character and the bonuses (very minor compared to the handmaidens wisdom to AC) he give are far inferior to what Handmaiden can give.
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* TheWoobie: Juhani, very much so. The very first time you talk to her, you want to comfort her and reassure her that her life isn't over because of one mistake. That's before you learn all the rest: the details of her traumatic childhood, how she had trouble making friends when she joined the Jedi Order and spent time mostly by herself, and how one of the few friends she did make had his heart broken after he confessed his love for her and that she feels terrible about how much it hurt him to hear that she didn't share his feelings [[spoiler: because she's gay]]. It's difficult to imagine anybody not wanting to hug her, tell her that everything's going to be all right, that things will be better from now on, and that not everything she feels guilty about is her fault.
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* MostAnnoyingSound: The screeching of the tach on Kashyyyk, ''particularly'' when you're trying to concentrate on what Jolee Bindo is saying to you by his home and the noisy little bastards keep drowning him out.
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** LawfulEvil: Canderous, HK-47, Saul, GO-TO

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** LawfulEvil: Canderous, HK-47, Saul, GO-TO



** ChaoticEvil: Calo, Hanharr

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** ChaoticEvil: Calo, HanharrHanharr, HK-47

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* AlasPoorVillain: [[spoiler:Malak]] in the first game, [[spoiler:Sion and Kreia]] in the second.



* CanonSue: Revan.



* CompleteMonster: Darth Malak qualifies big time. So does Darth Nihilus in the [[ItGotWorse sequel]]. He [[PersonOfMassDestruction devours whole planets without a second thought]]. It is implied that he is so far gone beyond humanity that he is closer to an {{Eldritch Abomination}}. The [[VillainProtagonist player character]] can be played as one, if you go Dark Side.

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* CompleteMonster: CharacterDerailment:
** Saul Karath. [[spoiler:When Malak announces his intention to destroy Taris, Saul weakly protests, citing among other things, the fact that they'd be killing millions of innocent people. Yet when Carth confronts him with his betrayal and subsequent bombing of his home planet Telos which resulted in the death of his wife, Karath coldly tells him that civilian deaths are necessary at war.]] The writers must have suffered from severe communication problems.
*** [[spoiler:To be fair, Taris was a planet completely covered by a city, and had sith troops deployed on the surface, whereas Telos was just a regular planet with a few cities. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Billions died on Taris, millions died on Telos]]]].
** Zez-Kai Ell and Kavar [[spoiler:suddenly turn into Vrook's sycophants during the Light Side Jedi Council scene.
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Darth Malak qualifies big time. So does time due to his destruction of Taris and his condemning of several Jedi to a FateWorseThanDeath to boost his power.
** Saul Karath betrayed the Republic he had fought for during the Mandalorian Wars and bombed an entire planet just to prove his loyalties. As if this wasn't enough, he also [[ColdBloodedTorture tortures]] you, Carth and Bastila regardless of how you answer his questions, [[ForTheEvulz just because he can]].
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Darth Nihilus in the [[ItGotWorse sequel]]. sequel. He [[PersonOfMassDestruction devours whole planets without a second thought]]. It is implied that he is so far gone beyond humanity that he is closer to an {{Eldritch Abomination}}. The [[VillainProtagonist player character]] can be played as one, if you go Dark Side.



* DirtyCoward: When Saul is in charge, he's a textbook definition of a SmugSnake. When Malak's around, he's reduced to a stammering wimp of a man.



* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Objective Assessment: HK-47 is far more interesting than any meatbag.
** Jolee Bindo.



* JerkassWoobie: Hanharr.
* LoveItOrHateIt: Kreia's unique morality either makes her a very interesting character or very annoying. Very few are "meh" though a handful say it's both.
* MaryTzu: Revan.



* SmugSnake: The games are filled with these. There is Mission's Brother Griff, who is not so much evil as a scumbag. There is Jedi Master Atris, there is Visquis the wannabe Crime Boss.

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* RealityIsUnrealistic: Disciple is often accused of being a FakeBrit, but his voice actor, Greg Ellis, is actually British
* SmugSnake: The games are filled with these. There is these:
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Mission's Brother Griff, who is not so much evil as a scumbag. There is scumbag.
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Jedi Master Atris, there is Atris,
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Visquis the wannabe Crime Boss.Boss.
** Saul Karath.
* {{Squick}}: If the male exile flirts with Mira, she expresses such due to the age gap (odd, as except for Atton the other 3 possible love interests are only 2 years older according to WordOfGod)
** She confirms it's more of an emotional age than physical age, saying that the Exile has been through so much as to seem old. She does note that he obviously still looks good and "takes care of his body." She finally says that the Handmaiden and Visas are already fighting over him, and she doesn't want to deal with the drama.
* ThatOneBoss: In the sequel, Vrook or Zez-Kai Ell on the Dark Side path, whichever you fight first.
* TheScrappy: Disciple is often compared unfavorably to both the Handmaiden (who he replaces as a party member if the Exile is female) and Atton (as the two possible love interests for a female Exile), since he is not as well-developed or dynamic a character as either.
** TierInducedScrappy: In addition to the above, gameplay wise he's a much weaker character and the bonuses (very minor compared to the handmaidens wisdom to AC) he give are far inferior to what Handmaiden can give.

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* BrokenBase:
** The MMO coming out instead of a third single-player game. Cue cries of " RuinedForever!" as soon as the announcement was made.
** [=KotOR II=] as a whole. It is often considered to be either a horribly incomplete mess, or a sufficiently awesome sequel; perhaps better than its predecessor.



** TrueNeutral: Kreia

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** TrueNeutral: Kreia Kreia, who does not care about the Jedi or the Sith: she just wants to be the one manipulating events and not the one being manipulated.



** ChaoticEvil: Calo, Hanharr

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** ChaoticEvil: Calo, HanharrHanharr
* CompleteMonster: Darth Malak qualifies big time. So does Darth Nihilus in the [[ItGotWorse sequel]]. He [[PersonOfMassDestruction devours whole planets without a second thought]]. It is implied that he is so far gone beyond humanity that he is closer to an {{Eldritch Abomination}}. The [[VillainProtagonist player character]] can be played as one, if you go Dark Side.
* DemonicSpiders: The terentatek.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Arguably, Darth Revan.
* {{FixFic}}: The second game in a nutshell.
* MissedMomentOfAwesome: Much of the second game, due to the [[ExecutiveMeddling cuts]]. For example, Vogga the Hutt on Nar Shaddaa makes a comment like "don't ask again unless you have Goto on a chain". It is wasted potential since Vogga does not even notice and gives the exact same comment if G0-T0 is there. Of course, Vogga does not know [[spoiler:that Goto is the droid.]] (In the cut content, G0-T0 simply refuses to enter Vogga's place.)
* MoralEventHorizon: Dark Side characters can choose to do this. [[spoiler: Forcing Zalbaar to kill Mission]] is probably the worst example. As far as villains go: "Wipe this pathetic planet from the face of the galaxy." Some context: The villain's Mooks have not been able to find one person who crashed in an escape pod down in the lower levels of the planet. So he orders the ENTIRE PLANET RAZED.
* SmugSnake: The games are filled with these. There is Mission's Brother Griff, who is not so much evil as a scumbag. There is Jedi Master Atris, there is Visquis the wannabe Crime Boss.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Fan reaction to the news that the next "Old Republic" game will be a MMORPG.
* XenSyndrome: The first game, [[YourMileageMayVary arguably]], as it ends on a level of CutAndPasteEnvironments with lots of pointless combat (more than the rest of the game even!). The second game is also a major offender, with its last act that is missing most of its content (and sense) thanks to ExecutiveMeddling.
* YourMileageMayVary: Second game. Some hate it, others say it is the best thing in the franchise since Episode V (or could have been if it had been finished).
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** ChaoticGood: Misson, Jolee, Mira

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** ChaoticGood: Misson, Mission, Jolee, Mira

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