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** [[spoiler:Poor, poor Roxy. She spent the entire second and third act of the first movie showing how likable and capable she was as a Kingsman just to be unceremoniously blown up in her pajamas.]]
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Speculation, nothing to support this has been shown, belongs more in WMG than YMMV


** Harry Hart also has no visible trauma over what he was forced to do by Valentine during the Church Massacre in the first film, or the fact that he got shot in the head. An AlternateCharacterInterpretation is that he doesn't mind killing the group given they were a hate group against gays and he might be.

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** Harry Hart also has no visible trauma over what he was forced to do by Valentine during the Church Massacre in the first film, or the fact that he got shot in the head. An AlternateCharacterInterpretation is that he doesn't mind killing the group given they were a hate group against gays and he might be.
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Showing that Harry got The Worf Effect is actually pretty important.


** The bar fight as well, which is completely unrelated to the main story. The only thing it does is to be a call back to the first film and to show that Harry got TheWorfEffect so we can see how badass Whiskey is.

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* WhatAnIdiot:
** Eggsy has several moments throughout the film:
*** Eggsy winds up with [[spoiler: Charlie's robotic arm in his taxi]] after the opening fight
*** '''You'd Expect''': Him to secure it, so that the Kingsman can see how it works and prevent it from doing any more harm.
*** '''Instead''': He just leaves it in his taxi unsupervised, [[spoiler: allowing it to effortlessly hack the Kingsman network and murder every other Kingsman agent]].
*** Eggsy asks one of his friends to dogsit JB.
*** '''You'd Expect''': Him to take precautions to prevent any guest from discovering his Kingsman arsenal and gadgets.
*** '''Instead''': [[spoiler: Their reveal mechanism is discovered within a few minutes by his friend, who starts playing around with hand grenade and nearly blowing himself up in the process.]]
*** In the middle of a mission, Eggsy has to plant a tracker [[spoiler: inside Charlie's girlfriend by sleeping with her]].
*** '''You'd Expect''': Him to begrudgingly accept that this is a necessity of the mission and could prevent the deaths of thousands
*** '''Instead''': [[spoiler: He calls Tilde to get her permission. This potentially endangers the entire mission, AND has Tilde break up with him, which was all completely avoidable. He has no choice but to plant the tracker in Clara anyway.]]
*** Harry is resurrected [[spoiler: and his memory has recovered, but his coordination is off and he still has occasional hallucinations]].
*** '''You'd Expect''': The Kingsman and Statesman to do as Champagne suggests, [[spoiler: keep Harry off the team while he recovers. One of the team can grab the antidote while the other controls the computer system]].
*** '''Instead''': On Eggsy's insistence, [[spoiler: Harry joins them, controlling the computers while Eggsy and Whiskey steal the antidote, but nearly gets them killed when he starts hallucinating at a critical moment, and his mental state gives everybody else a reason to doubt him when he questions Whiskey's motives]].
*** When infiltrating one of Poppy's labs, [[spoiler: Eggsy is surrounded by ''crates'' of the antidote.]]
*** '''You'd Expect''': Him to take as many samples as he can securely carry.
*** '''Instead''': [[spoiler:He only takes ''one'' sample. Then, after safely escaping from the lab, he ''takes the antidote out of its protective case'' and holds it using only his thumb and forefinger. Even if Whiskey wasn't a factor, it could still have been broken very easily by accident and there was no backup.]]
*** [[spoiler:Eggsy ''knows'' that Charlie and Clara are gonna be at the lab since it's their phone conversation that led him and the Statesmen there.]]
*** '''You'd Expect''': Eggsy to hang back and let Whiskey grab the antidote since Poppy and Charlie don't know about the Statesmen or their agents.
*** '''Instead''': [[spoiler:Eggsy tells Whiskey to stay back, goes ahead into the large open space that is the lab and allows himself to be seen by Charlie and Clara, who recognize him.]]
** Merlin [[spoiler:steps on a mine, which will detonate if he takes his foot off it.]]
*** '''You'd Expect''': Him to [[spoiler:hunker down in his covered position while Eggsy and Harry attack Poppy's hideout.]]
*** '''Instead''': He [[spoiler:reveals his position and starts singing to lure a handful of mooks to him so he can kill them (along with himself) with the mine. However, the explosion immediately alerts the rest of Poppy's mooks and Eggsy and Harry end up effortlessly mowing through them, meaning they could have easily taken out the initial group of guards themselves, except more stealthily while Merlin could have hunkered down until they had the time to disarm the mine. This basically means Merlin pulled a StupidSacrifice.]]

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* WhatAnIdiot:
** Eggsy has several moments throughout
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*** Eggsy winds up with [[spoiler: Charlie's robotic arm in his taxi]] after the opening fight
*** '''You'd Expect''': Him to secure it, so that the Kingsman can see how it works and prevent it from doing any more harm.
*** '''Instead''': He just leaves it in his taxi unsupervised, [[spoiler: allowing it to effortlessly hack the Kingsman network and murder every other Kingsman agent]].
*** Eggsy asks one of his friends to dogsit JB.
*** '''You'd Expect''': Him to take precautions to prevent any guest from discovering his Kingsman arsenal and gadgets.
*** '''Instead''': [[spoiler: Their reveal mechanism is discovered within a few minutes by his friend, who starts playing around with hand grenade and nearly blowing himself up in the process.]]
*** In the middle of a mission, Eggsy has to plant a tracker [[spoiler: inside Charlie's girlfriend by sleeping with her]].
*** '''You'd Expect''': Him to begrudgingly accept that this is a necessity of the mission and could prevent the deaths of thousands
*** '''Instead''': [[spoiler: He calls Tilde to get her permission. This potentially endangers the entire mission, AND has Tilde break up with him, which was all completely avoidable. He has no choice but to plant the tracker in Clara anyway.]]
*** Harry is resurrected [[spoiler: and his memory has recovered, but his coordination is off and he still has occasional hallucinations]].
*** '''You'd Expect''': The Kingsman and Statesman to do as Champagne suggests, [[spoiler: keep Harry off the team while he recovers. One of the team can grab the antidote while the other controls the computer system]].
*** '''Instead''': On Eggsy's insistence, [[spoiler: Harry joins them, controlling the computers while Eggsy and Whiskey steal the antidote, but nearly gets them killed when he starts hallucinating at a critical moment, and his mental state gives everybody else a reason to doubt him when he questions Whiskey's motives]].
*** When infiltrating one of Poppy's labs, [[spoiler: Eggsy is surrounded by ''crates'' of the antidote.]]
*** '''You'd Expect''': Him to take as many samples as he can securely carry.
*** '''Instead''': [[spoiler:He only takes ''one'' sample. Then, after safely escaping from the lab, he ''takes the antidote out of its protective case'' and holds it using only his thumb and forefinger. Even if Whiskey wasn't a factor, it could still have been broken very easily by accident and there was no backup.]]
*** [[spoiler:Eggsy ''knows'' that Charlie and Clara are gonna be at the lab since it's their phone conversation that led him and the Statesmen there.]]
*** '''You'd Expect''': Eggsy to hang back and let Whiskey grab the antidote since Poppy and Charlie don't know about the Statesmen or their agents.
*** '''Instead''': [[spoiler:Eggsy tells Whiskey to stay back, goes ahead into the large open space that is the lab and allows himself to be seen by Charlie and Clara, who recognize him.]]
** Merlin [[spoiler:steps on a mine, which will detonate if he takes his foot off it.]]
*** '''You'd Expect''': Him to [[spoiler:hunker down in his covered position while Eggsy and Harry attack Poppy's hideout.]]
*** '''Instead''': He [[spoiler:reveals his position and starts singing to lure a handful of mooks to him so he can kill them (along with himself) with the mine. However, the explosion immediately alerts the rest of Poppy's mooks and Eggsy and Harry end up effortlessly mowing through them, meaning they could have easily taken out the initial group of guards themselves, except more stealthily while Merlin could have hunkered down until they had the time to disarm the mine. This basically means Merlin pulled a StupidSacrifice.]]
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* {{Anvilicious}}:
** The film's not-so-subtle commentary on the United States' long-running War on Drugs and substance regulation. It's much more overt and pointed than the original's satire of climate change and Silicon Valley tech culture.
** The film's political subtext was originally far more blatant, with [[spoiler: the megalomaniacal American President being a direct {{Expy}} of controversial real-world President {{Donald Trump}}. These scenes were later reshot to make the character a more broad caricature of different U.S. Presidents to avoid alienating audiences with any kind of direct political statement.]]

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{{Anvilicious}}: The film's not-so-subtle commentary on the United States' long-running War on Drugs and substance regulation. It's much more overt and pointed than the original's satire of climate change and Silicon Valley tech culture.
** The film's political subtext was originally far more blatant, with [[spoiler: the megalomaniacal American President being a direct {{Expy}} of controversial real-world President {{Donald Trump}}. These scenes were later reshot to make the character a more broad caricature of different U.S. Presidents to avoid alienating audiences with any kind of direct political statement.]]
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Eh, part of the movie's point was showing Eggsy juggling his personal life and his life as an agent (and the mistakes he makes because of that). Poppy's entry in what an idiot doesn't fit the format.


* RomanticPlotTumor: Eggsy and Tilda's romance subplot adds exactly ''nothing'' to the film, and takes up a LOT of screentime.



** Poppy's entire plan. She infects people who do her drugs with a deadly virus and holds the antidote hostage in exchange for legalization of the drug trade. Either A: her demands aren't met and her entire customer base dies, or B: her demands are met, but no one buys from her because of that one time when she infected her entire customer base with a deadly virus!
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** The film's not-so-subtle commentary on the United States' long-running War on Drugs and substance regulation. It's arguably much more overt and pointed than the original's satire of climate change and Silicon Valley tech culture.

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* {{Squick}}: You might be wanting to stay away from burgers for a while.

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* {{Squick}}: You might be wanting to stay away from burgers for Poppy had a while.guy shove his best friend into a meat grinder, then made him eat a burger made out of the guy's minced flesh.
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* {{Expy}}: JulianneMoore is effectively playing a hyper-exaggerated version of her usual "unstable suburban housewife" character from ''Safe'', ''{{Film/Magnolia}}'', and ''Far From Heaven''.
** The new Arthur (played by MichaelGambon) is more-or-less the same as his predecessor, a respectable and classy English gent in spectacles played by a Diamond Decade-era actor who breaks his image [[spoiler: by loudly swearing prior to his death.]]
** Agent Whiskey seems like an Americanized Harry Hart, down to single-handedly beating a gang of drunken thugs in a bar brawl, taking on large groups of hostiles in lengthy, "one-take" fight scenes, being a close ally to Eggsy and Merlin, and even [[spoiler: getting shot in the head. Subverted during the third act, when he betrays his colleagues and tries to facilitate the {{Big Bad}}'s master plan, only to be outdone and killed by his former allies, not unlike the {{Michael Caine}}'s Arthur from the original.]]
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* {{Anvilicious}}: The film's not-so-subtle commentary on the United States' long-running War on Drugs and substance regulation. It's arguably much more overt and pointed than the original's satire of climate change and Silicon Valley tech culture.
** The film's political subtext was originally far more blatant, with [[spoiler: the megalomaniacal American President being a direct {{Expy}} of controversial real-world President {{Donald Trump}}. These scenes were later reshot to make the character a more broad caricature of different U.S. Presidents to avoid alienating audiences with any kind of direct political statement.]]
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** The new Arthur (played by MichaelGambon) is more-or-less the same as his predecessor, a respectable and classy English gent in spectacles played by a Diamond Decade-era actor who breaks his image [[spoiler: by loudly swearing prior to his death.]]
** Agent Whiskey seems like an Americanized Harry Hart, down to single-handedly beating a gang of drunken thugs in a bar brawl, taking on large groups of hostiles in lengthy, "one-take" fight scenes, being a close ally to Eggsy and Merlin, and even [[spoiler: getting shot in the head. Subverted during the third act, when he betrays his colleagues and tries to facilitate the {{Big Bad}}'s master plan, only to be outdone and killed by his former allies, not unlike the {{Michael Caine}}'s Arthur from the original.]]
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* {{Expy}}: JulianneMoore is effectively playing a hyper-exaggerated version of her usual "unstable suburban housewife" character from ''Safe'', ''{{Film/Magnolia}}'', and ''Far From Heaven''.
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Shoehorn. With or without Eggsy's mistakes, Poppy still carries out her plan, causing the movie's conflict.


* IdiotPlot: The entire film's conflict and many of the subplots could have been completely avoided had Eggsy actually acted like the elite secret agent he was trained to be. See just how huge the WhatAnIdiot section is below.
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* RonTheDeathEater: Eggsy hasn't received ideal treatment from fandom since [[Film/KingsmanTheSecretService the previous film]]. The sudden death of [[spoiler: the only female Kingsman agent, Roxy,]] exacerbates it: A slew of Western feminists have taken to making diss posts against Eggsy usually reserved for genuinely [[JerkAss Jerkass]] and overly privileged white male characters, some even spinning [[spoiler: Roxy]] accidentally calling Eggsy "Eggy" as something to guffaw at for some reason. (Charlie and his fellow prejudiced RichBastard friends used it to mock Eggsy in the first film. Classism is apparently hilarious now.) They ignore the fact that as a wealthy white woman, Roxy obviously did not endure forms of oppression the formerly poverty-stricken Eggsy (whose sole father figure growing up was physically abusive to his mother and himself) is subjected to — forms of oppression many women ''of color'' especially face as well (thanks to different factors causing high rates of poor nonwhite populations). Along with concepts of intersectionality, such details are forgotten: Eggsy subverts numerous gender-related tropes like MenDontCry — he's characterized as deeply emotional, expressive, and unafraid to be tenderhearted. Also canonically, Eggsy has a huge IQ and performed superbly on both the written and weapon-oriented parts of the Kingsman screening process. He was exceptionally talented at gymnastics, but prevented from fulfilling his athletic potential by (again,) a physically abusive bully of a stepfather. On top of that, he values and respects women consistently (minor-sounding, but rather notable when you observe how other prominent white male leads are made to behave). But, no, depicting Eggsy as a raging moron and asshole at whom all sexism-related resentment should be directed [[SarcasmMode has ''zero'']] UnfortunateImplications.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Eggsy hasn't received ideal treatment from fandom since
Film/KingsmanTheSecretService. The sudden death of [[spoiler: the only female Kingsman agent, Roxy,]] exacerbates it: A slew of Western feminists have taken to making diss posts against Eggsy usually reserved for genuinely [[JerkAss Jerkass]] and overly privileged white male characters, some even spinning [[spoiler: Roxy]] accidentally calling Eggsy "Eggy" as something to guffaw at for some reason. (Charlie and his fellow prejudiced RichBastard friends used it to mock Eggsy in the first film. Classism is apparently hilarious now.) They ignore the fact that as a wealthy white woman, Roxy obviously did not endure forms of oppression the formerly poverty-stricken Eggsy (whose sole father figure growing up was physically abusive to his mother and himself) is subjected to — forms of oppression many women ''of color'' especially face as well (thanks to different factors causing high rates of poor nonwhite populations). Along with concepts of intersectionality, such details are forgotten: Eggsy subverts numerous gender-related tropes like MenDontCry — he's characterized as deeply emotional, expressive, and unafraid to be tenderhearted. Also canonically, Eggsy has a huge IQ and performed superbly on both the written and weapon-oriented parts of the Kingsman screening process. He was exceptionally talented at gymnastics, but prevented from fulfilling his athletic potential by (again,) a physically abusive bully of a stepfather. On top of that, he values and respects women consistently (minor-sounding, but rather notable when you observe how other prominent white male leads are made to behave). But, no, depicting Eggsy as a raging moron and asshole at whom all sexism-related resentment should be directed [[SarcasmMode has ''zero'']] UnfortunateImplications.

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since [[Film/KingsmanTheSecretService the previous film]]. The sudden death of [[spoiler: the only female Kingsman agent, Roxy,]] exacerbates it: A slew of Western feminists have taken to making diss posts against Eggsy usually reserved for genuinely [[JerkAss Jerkass]] and overly privileged white male characters, some even spinning [[spoiler: Roxy]] accidentally calling Eggsy "Eggy" as something to guffaw at for some reason. (Charlie and his fellow prejudiced RichBastard friends used it to mock Eggsy in the first film. Classism is apparently hilarious now.) They ignore the fact that as a wealthy white woman, Roxy obviously did not endure forms of oppression the formerly poverty-stricken Eggsy (whose sole father figure growing up was physically abusive to his mother and himself) is subjected to — forms of oppression many women ''of color'' especially face as well (thanks to different factors causing high rates of poor nonwhite populations). Along with concepts of intersectionality, such details are forgotten: Eggsy subverts numerous gender-related tropes like MenDontCry — he's characterized as deeply emotional, expressive, and unafraid to be tenderhearted. Also canonically, Eggsy has a huge IQ and performed superbly on both the written and weapon-oriented parts of the Kingsman screening process. He was exceptionally talented at gymnastics, but prevented from fulfilling his athletic potential by (again,) a physically abusive bully of a stepfather. On top of that, he values and respects women consistently (minor-sounding, but rather notable when you observe how other prominent white male leads are made to behave). But, no, depicting Eggsy as a raging moron and asshole at whom all sexism-related resentment should be directed [[SarcasmMode has ''zero'']] UnfortunateImplications.
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Film/KingsmanTheSecretService. The sudden death of the only [[spoiler:female Kingsman agent, Roxy,]] exacerbates it: A slew of Western feminists have taken to making diss posts against Eggsy usually reserved for genuinely [[JerkAss Jerkass]] and overly privileged white male characters, some even spinning Roxy accidentally calling Eggsy "Eggy" as something to guffaw at for some reason. (Charlie and his fellow prejudiced RichBastard friends used it to mock Eggsy in the first film. Classism is apparently hilarious now.) They ignore the fact that as a wealthy white woman, Roxy obviously did not suffer from forms of oppression the formerly poverty-stricken Eggsy (whose sole father figure growing up was physically abusive to his mother and himself) is subjected to — forms of oppression many women ''of color'' especially face as well (thanks to different factors causing high rates of poor nonwhite populations). Along with concepts of intersectionality, such details are forgotten: Eggsy subverts numerous gender-related tropes like MenDontCry — he's characterized as deeply emotional, expressive, and unafraid to be tenderhearted. Also canonically, Eggsy has a huge IQ and performed superbly on both the written and weapon-oriented parts of the Kingsman screening process. He was talented at gymnastics, but prevented from fulfilling his athletic potential by (again,) a physically abusive bully of a stepfather. On top of that, he values and respects women consistently (minor-sounding, but rather notable when you observe how other prominent white male leads are made to behave). But, no, depicting him as a raging moron and asshole whose status as the lead wreaks nothing besides misogyny has [[SarcasmMode zero]] UnfortunateImplications.

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Film/KingsmanTheSecretService. The sudden death of [[spoiler: the only [[spoiler:female female Kingsman agent, Roxy,]] exacerbates it: A slew of Western feminists have taken to making diss posts against Eggsy usually reserved for genuinely [[JerkAss Jerkass]] and overly privileged white male characters, some even spinning Roxy [[spoiler: Roxy]] accidentally calling Eggsy "Eggy" as something to guffaw at for some reason. (Charlie and his fellow prejudiced RichBastard friends used it to mock Eggsy in the first film. Classism is apparently hilarious now.) They ignore the fact that as a wealthy white woman, Roxy obviously did not suffer from endure forms of oppression the formerly poverty-stricken Eggsy (whose sole father figure growing up was physically abusive to his mother and himself) is subjected to — forms of oppression many women ''of color'' especially face as well (thanks to different factors causing high rates of poor nonwhite populations). Along with concepts of intersectionality, such details are forgotten: Eggsy subverts numerous gender-related tropes like MenDontCry — he's characterized as deeply emotional, expressive, and unafraid to be tenderhearted. Also canonically, Eggsy has a huge IQ and performed superbly on both the written and weapon-oriented parts of the Kingsman screening process. He was exceptionally talented at gymnastics, but prevented from fulfilling his athletic potential by (again,) a physically abusive bully of a stepfather. On top of that, he values and respects women consistently (minor-sounding, but rather notable when you observe how other prominent white male leads are made to behave). But, no, depicting him Eggsy as a raging moron and asshole whose status as the lead wreaks nothing besides misogyny has at whom all sexism-related resentment should be directed [[SarcasmMode zero]] has ''zero'']] UnfortunateImplications.
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Film/KingsmanTheSecretService. The sudden death of the only [[spoiler:female Kingsman agent, Roxy,]] exacerbates it: A slew of Western feminists have taken to making diss posts against Eggsy usually reserved for genuinely [[JerkAss Jerkass]] and overly privileged white male characters, some even spinning Roxy accidentally calling Eggsy "Eggy" as something to guffaw at for some reason. (Charlie and his fellow prejudiced RichBastard friends used it to mock Eggsy in the first film. Classism is apparently hilarious now.) They ignore the fact that as a wealthy white woman, Roxy obviously did not suffer from forms of oppression the formerly poverty-stricken Eggsy (whose sole father figure growing up was physically abusive to his mother and himself) is subjected to — forms of oppression many women ''of color'' especially face as well. Along with concepts of intersectionality, such details are forgotten: Eggsy subverts numerous gender-related tropes like MenDontCry — he's characterized as deeply emotional, expressive, and unafraid to be tenderhearted. Also canonically, Eggsy has a huge IQ and performed superbly on both the written and weapon-oriented parts of the Kingsman screening process. He was talented at gymnastics, but prevented from fulfilling his athletic potential by (again,) a physically abusive bully of a stepfather. On top of that, he values and respects women consistently (minor-sounding, but rather notable when you observe how other prominent male leads are made to behave). But, no, depicting him as a raging moron and asshole whose status as the lead causes nothing but misogyny has [[SarcasmMode zero]] UnfortunateImplications.

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Film/KingsmanTheSecretService. The sudden death of the only [[spoiler:female Kingsman agent, Roxy,]] exacerbates it: A slew of Western feminists have taken to making diss posts against Eggsy usually reserved for genuinely [[JerkAss Jerkass]] and overly privileged white male characters, some even spinning Roxy accidentally calling Eggsy "Eggy" as something to guffaw at for some reason. (Charlie and his fellow prejudiced RichBastard friends used it to mock Eggsy in the first film. Classism is apparently hilarious now.) They ignore the fact that as a wealthy white woman, Roxy obviously did not suffer from forms of oppression the formerly poverty-stricken Eggsy (whose sole father figure growing up was physically abusive to his mother and himself) is subjected to — forms of oppression many women ''of color'' especially face as well.well (thanks to different factors causing high rates of poor nonwhite populations). Along with concepts of intersectionality, such details are forgotten: Eggsy subverts numerous gender-related tropes like MenDontCry — he's characterized as deeply emotional, expressive, and unafraid to be tenderhearted. Also canonically, Eggsy has a huge IQ and performed superbly on both the written and weapon-oriented parts of the Kingsman screening process. He was talented at gymnastics, but prevented from fulfilling his athletic potential by (again,) a physically abusive bully of a stepfather. On top of that, he values and respects women consistently (minor-sounding, but rather notable when you observe how other prominent white male leads are made to behave). But, no, depicting him as a raging moron and asshole whose status as the lead causes wreaks nothing but besides misogyny has [[SarcasmMode zero]] UnfortunateImplications.
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* RonTheDeathEater: Eggsy hasn't received ideal treatment from fandom since
Film/KingsmanTheSecretService. The sudden death of the only [[spoiler:female Kingsman agent, Roxy,]] exacerbates it: A slew of Western feminists have taken to making diss posts against Eggsy usually reserved for genuinely [[JerkAss Jerkass]] and overly privileged white male characters, some even spinning Roxy accidentally calling Eggsy "Eggy" as something to guffaw at for some reason. (Charlie and his fellow prejudiced RichBastard friends used it to mock Eggsy in the first film. Classism is apparently hilarious now.) They ignore the fact that as a wealthy white woman, Roxy obviously did not suffer from forms of oppression the formerly poverty-stricken Eggsy (whose sole father figure growing up was physically abusive to his mother and himself) is subjected to — forms of oppression many women ''of color'' especially face as well. Along with concepts of intersectionality, such details are forgotten: Eggsy subverts numerous gender-related tropes like MenDontCry — he's characterized as deeply emotional, expressive, and unafraid to be tenderhearted. Also canonically, Eggsy has a huge IQ and performed superbly on both the written and weapon-oriented parts of the Kingsman screening process. He was talented at gymnastics, but prevented from fulfilling his athletic potential by (again,) a physically abusive bully of a stepfather. On top of that, he values and respects women consistently (minor-sounding, but rather notable when you observe how other prominent male leads are made to behave). But, no, depicting him as a raging moron and asshole whose status as the lead causes nothing but misogyny has [[SarcasmMode zero]] UnfortunateImplications.
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** '''You'd Expect''': Him to [[spoiler:hunker down in his covered position while Eggsy and Harry attack Poppy's hideout.]]
** '''Instead''': He [[spoiler:reveals his position and starts singing to lure a handful of mooks to him so he can kill them (along with himself) with the mine. However, the explosion immediately alerts the rest of Poppy's mooks and Eggsy and Harry end up effortlessly mowing through them, meaning they could have easily taken out the initial group of guards themselves, except more stealthily while Merlin could have hunkered down until they had the time to disarm the mine. This basically means Merlin pulled a StupidSacrifice.]]

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** *** '''You'd Expect''': Him to [[spoiler:hunker down in his covered position while Eggsy and Harry attack Poppy's hideout.]]
** *** '''Instead''': He [[spoiler:reveals his position and starts singing to lure a handful of mooks to him so he can kill them (along with himself) with the mine. However, the explosion immediately alerts the rest of Poppy's mooks and Eggsy and Harry end up effortlessly mowing through them, meaning they could have easily taken out the initial group of guards themselves, except more stealthily while Merlin could have hunkered down until they had the time to disarm the mine. This basically means Merlin pulled a StupidSacrifice.]]
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* IdiotPlot: Arguably, the entire film's conflict and many of the subplots could have been completely avoided had Eggsy actually acted like the elite secret agent he was trained to be. See just how huge the WhatAnIdiot section is below.

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* IdiotPlot: Arguably, the The entire film's conflict and many of the subplots could have been completely avoided had Eggsy actually acted like the elite secret agent he was trained to be. See just how huge the WhatAnIdiot section is below.
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** You'd think Eggsy would be torn up about [[spoiler:Roxy and JB's deaths]] throughout the film, considering that [[spoiler:they were his closest comrades in the first film.]] However, outside of a memorial toast and some words spoken to Charlie, you'd be hard pressed to believe Eggsy even remembered [[spoiler:Roxy]] at all. Even worse is how [[spoiler:JB]] is treated, as he is basically forgotten the moment [[spoiler:Tilde literally buys a replacement puppy.]] Eggsy might be repressing his feelings for the sake of the mission, but we don't see anything between him defeating the Golden Circle and [[spoiler:His wedding]].

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** You'd think Eggsy would be torn up about [[spoiler:Roxy and JB's deaths]] throughout the film, considering that [[spoiler:they were his closest comrades in the first film.]] However, outside of a memorial toast and some words spoken to Charlie, you'd be hard pressed to believe Eggsy even remembered [[spoiler:Roxy]] at all. Even worse is how [[spoiler:JB]] is treated, as he is basically forgotten the moment [[spoiler:Tilde literally buys a replacement puppy.]] puppy]], save for the obligatory AndThisIsFor moments. Eggsy might be repressing his feelings for the sake of the mission, but we don't see anything between him defeating the Golden Circle and [[spoiler:His wedding]].
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** Poppy's entire plan. She infects people who do her drugs with a deadly virus and holds the antidote hostage in exchange for legalization of the drug trade. Either A: her demands aren't met and her entire customer base dies, or B: her demands are met, but no one buys from her because of that one time when she infected her entire customer base with a deadly virus!
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Stuffed In The Fridge is when a villain kills someone close to the hero deliberately to cause them grief. Poppy was just trying to wipe them all out and missed Eggsy by dumb luck. So not Stuffed In The Fridge


** [[spoiler:Roxy. A Kingsman agent who came first in her training, has a great rapport with Eggsy and Merlin, and is [[TheSmurfettePrinciple the only female agent]]. She seems ''primed'' for a bigger role in the sequel, but instead she's unceremoniously killed in the first twenty minutes [[StuffedInTheFridge to give Eggsy motivation]].]]
** Kingsman as a whole, [[spoiler: since they all get StuffedIntoTheFridge when Poppy bombs their headquarters.]]

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** [[spoiler:Roxy. A Kingsman agent who came first in her training, has a great rapport with Eggsy and Merlin, and is [[TheSmurfettePrinciple the only female agent]]. She seems ''primed'' for a bigger role in the sequel, but instead she's unceremoniously killed in the first twenty minutes [[StuffedInTheFridge to give Eggsy motivation]].motivation.]]
** Kingsman as a whole, [[spoiler: since they all get StuffedIntoTheFridge killed when Poppy bombs their headquarters.]]
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** Arguably [[spoiler: Whiskey]], who stole every scene he's in thanks to his sheer awesomeness with his cool demeanor, kickass fight sequences, and a tragic FreudianExcuse backstory. [[spoiler: It's almost sad to see him turn evil and have to be put down in a gruesome fashion by Eggsy and Harry.]]

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** Arguably [[spoiler: Whiskey]], who stole every scene he's in thanks to his sheer awesomeness with his cool demeanor, kickass fight sequences, and a tragic FreudianExcuse backstory. [[spoiler: It's almost sad to see him turn evil and have to be put down in a gruesome fashion by Eggsy and Harry.]]
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** Charlie sports a more threatening visage this time around and fulfill a role similar to Gazelle as a tough badass [[TheDragon Dragon]] with a cool gimmick. It helps that while a bad guy in both films, this one plays up his competency and skill and downplays his obnoxious HateSink qualities.

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** Charlie sports a more threatening visage this time around and fulfill fulfills a role similar to Gazelle as a tough badass [[TheDragon Dragon]] with a cool gimmick. It helps that while a bad guy in both films, this one plays up his competency and skill and downplays his obnoxious HateSink qualities.
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* EvilIsCool:
** Charlie sports a more threatening visage this time around and fulfill a role similar to Gazelle as a tough badass [[TheDragon Dragon]] with a cool gimmick. It helps that while a bad guy in both films, this one plays up his competency and skill and downplays his obnoxious HateSink qualities.
** [[spoiler:Whiskey]] is this to some with his creative fight scenes and gadgets.
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* MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales: Whiskey is a stereotypical cowboy (to the point where his weapons are a revolver & lasso), and [[spoiler: he's a villain]]. That said, a number of American fans find him one of the coolest characters in the series, since his lasso (being a laser lasso) just oozes RuleOfCool, and he's an incredible badass that [[spoiler: can hold his own against both Galahads double-teaming him]].
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** You'd think Eggsy would be torn up about [[spoiler:Roxy and JB's deaths]] throughout the film, considering that [[spoiler:they were his closest comrades in the first film.]] However, outside of a memorial toast and some words spoken to Charlie, you'd be hard pressed to believe Eggsy even remembered [[spoiler:Roxy]] at all. Even worse is how [[spoiler:JB]] is treated, as he is basically forgotten the moment [[spoiler:Tilde literally buys a replacement puppy.]]

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** You'd think Eggsy would be torn up about [[spoiler:Roxy and JB's deaths]] throughout the film, considering that [[spoiler:they were his closest comrades in the first film.]] However, outside of a memorial toast and some words spoken to Charlie, you'd be hard pressed to believe Eggsy even remembered [[spoiler:Roxy]] at all. Even worse is how [[spoiler:JB]] is treated, as he is basically forgotten the moment [[spoiler:Tilde literally buys a replacement puppy.]]]] Eggsy might be repressing his feelings for the sake of the mission, but we don't see anything between him defeating the Golden Circle and [[spoiler:His wedding]].

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