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* HarsherInHindsight: ''Series/TheSoup'', for a while, was making hay with an AlternativeCharacterInterpretation of the show with Jon as a {{henpecked husband}} to needlessly bossy Kate -- one skit took an argument over coupons and ended it with him [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]]. As it turns out, the marriage [[http://www.tvguide.com/News/Jon-Kate-Plus-1005820.aspx was indeed a miserable one]], and while ''The Soup'' is irreverent by nature and is still keeping up with the show, they joked in one episode that it's "just kind of sad now".

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* HarsherInHindsight: ''Series/TheSoup'', for a while, was making hay with an AlternativeCharacterInterpretation of the show with Jon as a {{henpecked husband}} HenpeckedHusband to needlessly bossy Kate -- one skit took an argument over coupons and ended it with him [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]]. As it turns out, the marriage [[http://www.tvguide.com/News/Jon-Kate-Plus-1005820.aspx was indeed a miserable one]], and while ''The Soup'' is irreverent by nature and is still keeping up with the show, they joked in one episode that it's "just kind of sad now".



* NightmareFuel: The show itself, especially for young couples starting their families.
* TearJerker: Kate's interview prior to the last episode.
* TheWoobie: The kids. All of them.

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* %%* TearJerker: Kate's interview prior to the last episode.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: ''Series/TheSoup'', for a while, was making hay with an AlternativeCharacterInterpretation of the show with Jon as a {{henpecked husband}} to needlessly bossy Kate -- one skit took an argument over coupons and ended it with him [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]]. As it turns out, the marriage [[http://www.tvguide.com/News/Jon-Kate-Plus-1005820.aspx was indeed a miserable one]], and while ''The Soup'' is irreverent by nature and is still keeping up with the show, they joked in one episode that it's "just kind of sad now".

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: HarsherInHindsight: ''Series/TheSoup'', for a while, was making hay with an AlternativeCharacterInterpretation of the show with Jon as a {{henpecked husband}} to needlessly bossy Kate -- one skit took an argument over coupons and ended it with him [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]]. As it turns out, the marriage [[http://www.tvguide.com/News/Jon-Kate-Plus-1005820.aspx was indeed a miserable one]], and while ''The Soup'' is irreverent by nature and is still keeping up with the show, they joked in one episode that it's "just kind of sad now".
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* MemeticMutation: Due to her behavior and having the infamous "I like to speak to the manager" haircut, there are many memes with Kate as a Karen, a middle class, middle aged white woman who is confrontational about trivial matters.

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* MemeticMutation: Due to her behavior and having the infamous "I like to speak to the manager" haircut, there are many memes with Kate as a Karen, [[ObnoxiousEntitledHousewife a middle class, middle aged white woman who is confrontational about trivial matters.]]
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* MemeticMutation: Due to her behavior and having the infamous "I like to speak to the manager" haircut, there are many memes with Kate as a Karen, a middle class, middle aged white woman who is confrontational about trivial matters.

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* NightmareFuel:
** The show itself, especially for young couples starting their families.
** Averted with the kids, who ''love'' costumed mascots and practically attacked the Phillies' mascot.

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NightmareFuel: The show itself, especially for young couples starting their families.
** Averted with the kids, who ''love'' costumed mascots and practically attacked the Phillies' mascot.
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* InternetBackdraft: Trust us, flame wars against the show got so bad that "Television Without Pity" has banned ANY discussion of J&K on their forums.
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Not YMMV and ZCE


* BrattyTeenageDaughter: Lord in heaven, Mady. She was especially bratty in the recent "Sextuplets Turn Ten" two-parter, but was also extremely whiny and bratty before then. For example, when her parents took her and the other kids to an American Girl store, she could only cry and focus on the fact that she didn't like surprises.
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* FollowTheLeader: ''Series/NineteenKidsAndCounting'' and ''Series/TableFor12'', whose commercials played [[MoodWhiplash uncomfortably]] during Kate's [[TearJerker tearful]] final interview and the final episode.

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* FollowTheLeader: ''Series/NineteenKidsAndCounting'' and ''Series/TableFor12'', whose commercials played [[MoodWhiplash uncomfortably]] during Kate's [[TearJerker tearful]] final interview and the final episode.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: ''TheSoup'', for a while, was making hay with an AlternativeCharacterInterpretation of the show with Jon as a {{henpecked husband}} to needlessly bossy Kate -- one skit took an argument over coupons and ended it with him [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]]. As it turns out, the marriage [[http://www.tvguide.com/News/Jon-Kate-Plus-1005820.aspx was indeed a miserable one]], and while ''TheSoup'' is irreverent by nature and is still keeping up with the show, they joked in one episode that it's "just kind of sad now".

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: ''TheSoup'', ''Series/TheSoup'', for a while, was making hay with an AlternativeCharacterInterpretation of the show with Jon as a {{henpecked husband}} to needlessly bossy Kate -- one skit took an argument over coupons and ended it with him [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]]. As it turns out, the marriage [[http://www.tvguide.com/News/Jon-Kate-Plus-1005820.aspx was indeed a miserable one]], and while ''TheSoup'' ''The Soup'' is irreverent by nature and is still keeping up with the show, they joked in one episode that it's "just kind of sad now".
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* UnfortunateImplications: Any time the show tries to handle race. Cue Kate acting like she knows more about Jon's culture than he does and the kids debating over who's the "most" Asian. Let's just cook some Japanese food, because that's close enough, and stick chopsticks in the girls' hair. It's educational!

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* FanDumb: Comes in many flavors, ranging from people who obsessively analyze Kate's clothing to prove she's a "whore" and have harassed the Gosselins' pastor, to people who simply shut down any criticism of the two. See also InternetBackdraft.
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* BrattyTeenageDaughter: Lord in heaven, Mady. She was especially bratty in the recent "Sextuplets Turn Ten" two-parter, but was also extremely whiny and bratty before then. For example, when her parents took her and the other kids to an American Girl store, she could only cry and focus on the fact that she didn't like surprises.
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* JerkassWoobie: Jon certainly engaged in some douchebag behavior of his own, but when one sees the kind of shit he had to put up with it's not at all surprising.
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* UnfortunateImplications: any time the show tries to handle race. Cue Kate acting like she knows more about Jon's culture than he does and the kids debating over who's the "most" Asian. Let's just cook some Japanese food, because that's close enough, and stick chopsticks in the girls' hair. It's educational!

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* UnfortunateImplications: any Any time the show tries to handle race. Cue Kate acting like she knows more about Jon's culture than he does and the kids debating over who's the "most" Asian. Let's just cook some Japanese food, because that's close enough, and stick chopsticks in the girls' hair. It's educational!
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* InternetBackdraft- Trust us, flame wars against the show got so bad that "Television Without Pity" has banned ANY discussion of J&K on their forums.

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* InternetBackdraft- InternetBackdraft: Trust us, flame wars against the show got so bad that "Television Without Pity" has banned ANY discussion of J&K on their forums.



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High Octane Nightmare Fuel and Nightmare Fuel cleanup/rename - wicks not fitting the criteria on Nightmare Fuel Discussion are being deleted


* HighOctaneNightmareFuel:
** The show itself, especially for young couples starting their families.
** Averted with the kids, who ''love'' costumed mascots and practically attacked the Phillies' mascot.


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* NightmareFuel:
** The show itself, especially for young couples starting their families.
** Averted with the kids, who ''love'' costumed mascots and practically attacked the Phillies' mascot.
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* TheWoobie: The kids. All of them.

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* TheWoobie: The kids. All of them.them.

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* PeripheryDemographic: The show's target demographic is women in the 18-45 bracket, but this (male) troper refuses to believe that he's the only one who's been made to watch an episode or two with the wife.
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* {{Hatedom}}: Probably rivals the size of the genuine fanbase.



* TheWoobie: The kids. All of them.
* YourMileageMayVary: It became harder to root for either parent as more news came out about their true, off-camera personal lives.

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* TheWoobie: The kids. All of them.
* YourMileageMayVary: It became harder to root for either parent as more news came out about their true, off-camera personal lives.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Due in part to the fact that he's the most recognizable of the sextuplets because he's the only one of them wearing glasses, Aaden has a pretty sizable fanbase.


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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: ''TheSoup'', for a while, was making hay with an AlternativeCharacterInterpretation of the show with Jon as a {{henpecked husband}} to needlessly bossy Kate -- one skit took an argument over coupons and ended it with him [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]]. As it turns out, the marriage [[http://www.tvguide.com/News/Jon-Kate-Plus-1005820.aspx was indeed a miserable one]], and while ''TheSoup'' is irreverent by nature and is still keeping up with the show, they joked in one episode that it's "just kind of sad now".


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* InternetBackdraft- Trust us, flame wars against the show got so bad that "Television Without Pity" has banned ANY discussion of J&K on their forums.
* PeripheryDemographic: The show's target demographic is women in the 18-45 bracket, but this (male) troper refuses to believe that he's the only one who's been made to watch an episode or two with the wife.


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* TheWoobie: The kids. All of them.

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