History YMMV / JohnCena

20th Nov '16 6:46:22 PM Warmachine3974
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* HeReallyCanAct: He's had people react this way to his better matches. For his tendency towards formulaic matches and FiveMovesOfDoom, he pulls out the stops in [=PPVs=]. This sentiment started popping up around 2009-2010, though Cena still got the occasional "You can't wrestle!" chant. Then his famous match with CM Punk happened, a match so good that some people to this day argue it as the best match in WWE history, and the chants died away completely. Nowadays the complaints are only about his character -- his wrestling ability has gone from maligned to well-respected. Check out the awesome page for a whole list of examples.

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* HeReallyCanAct: Or rather, He Really Can Wrestle. He's had people react this way to his better matches. For his tendency towards formulaic matches and FiveMovesOfDoom, he pulls out the stops in [=PPVs=]. This sentiment started popping up around 2009-2010, though Cena still got the occasional "You can't wrestle!" chant. Then his famous match with CM Punk happened, a match so good that some people to this day argue it as the best match in WWE history, and the chants died away completely. Nowadays the complaints are only about his character -- his wrestling ability has gone from maligned to well-respected. 2015 in particular, as mentioned on this page, was considered his best year in terms of in-ring performance. Check out the awesome page for a whole list of examples.
17th Oct '16 1:01:10 PM hellwolf99
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* ItsPopularNowItSucks: People forget: The new "Wrestling/RomanReigns Sucks" circlejerk sounds awfully familiar to Cena years ago. Cena was clamored to be pushed, because he was clearly the future. No even a few months into his first title reign and smarks turned on him. Same thing with Triple H. The consensus was that Triple H was the best wrestler and deserved the title. Within months of his first title reign and people were sick on him and said he was overrated. It's always the same. Now that Cena is halfway out the door people are starting to change their tune.

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* ItsPopularNowItSucks: People forget: The new "Wrestling/RomanReigns Sucks" circlejerk sounds awfully familiar to Years ago fans were clamoring for Cena years ago. Cena was clamored to be pushed, because he was clearly the future. No Not even a few months into his first title reign and smarks turned on him. Same thing This is similar to what happened with Triple H. The consensus was that Triple H was the best wrestler and deserved the title. Within months of his first title reign and people were sick on of him and said he was overrated. It's always the same.overrated. Now that Cena is halfway out the door people are starting to change their tune.
13th Oct '16 11:20:40 PM xXwindsofchangeXx
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* ArcFatigue: The never ending Cena/Orton feud. While they generally have great matches together, there's a belief that the two don't really have chemistry when it comes to feud-building. That doesn't stop the company from trying to make them feud as if they were Stone Cold and the Rock.

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* ArcFatigue: The never ending Cena/Orton feud. While they generally have great matches together, there's a belief that the two don't really have chemistry when it comes to feud-building. That doesn't stop the company from trying to make them feud as if they were Stone Cold and the Rock. It doesn't really help that neither guy has done much to evolve his character in ''years.''
13th Oct '16 5:20:21 PM HurricaneChris
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** As of mid-2016 and at age 39, Cena is firmly into the "crusty part-time veteran" stage of his career, and the smark hatred has significantly died down. Now that he's moved out of the main event picture and taking frequent breaks to do movies/TV shows, fans are excited to see him come back and deliver a great match every now and then.

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** As of mid-2016 and at age 39, Cena is firmly into the "crusty part-time veteran" stage of his career, and the smark hatred has significantly died down. Now that he's moved out of the main event picture and taking frequent breaks to do movies/TV shows, fans are excited to see him come back and deliver a great match every now and then. In fact, he's built up enough goodwill that when he made his declaration to pursue his sixteenth World Championship win (thus tying the record of Wrestling/RicFlair) in Philadelphia (one of the smarkiest cities in the US) he was ''cheered'' for it by the fans.
23rd Sep '16 4:57:18 PM SomeoneElse17
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** Most people will point out that it isn't the real-life persona of Cena they hate, it's the IDEA of Cena. John is an OK wrestler, but he is pushed so astoundingly hard compared to other people who should be on his level. The only people to even manage to claw with their fingertips at Cena's rung on the ladder are CMPunk and DanielBryan, and even with those 2, they've been kicked back down after a few months. This was the first of several bullet points (almost spoken verbatim) in Wrestling/CMPunk's now infamous WorkedShoot promo in the summer of 2011.

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** Most people will point out that it isn't the real-life persona of Cena they hate, it's the IDEA of Cena. John is an OK wrestler, but he is pushed so astoundingly hard compared to other people who should be on his level. The only people to even manage to claw with their fingertips at Cena's rung on the ladder are CMPunk and DanielBryan, and even with those 2, they've been two were kicked back down after a few months. This was the first of several bullet points (almost spoken verbatim) in Wrestling/CMPunk's now infamous WorkedShoot promo in the summer of 2011.
3rd Sep '16 7:20:09 AM BDA1978
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** A big part of the backlash Cena suffered was also the WWE's obsession with having all fans (not just his own fanbase) accepting Cena as their undisputed hero. From having more popular wrestlers endorse him, to having the announce team flat out lecture the fans on why they "should" cheer Cena. Notice that once they eased up on this(mostly due to moving on to do the same to Roman Reigns), the backlash started to wane as well.
2nd Sep '16 1:40:21 PM Silverblade2
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31st Aug '16 8:42:12 PM FordPrefect
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* XPacHeat: Unlike the TropeNamer, this is directed by part of the fanbase at the way Cena is booked rather than at the man himself and many who cite this claim they would like him more if he turned heel or left the main event (but make no mistake, there are plenty of people who really do hate him, Cena sucks chants have even shown up in promotions he's never worked for). But because his fanbase keep buying tickets to shows he's heavily advertised on and his merchandise sells more than any other superstar[[note]]Both Jeff Hardy and CM Punk have sold more than Cena at one point or another for a short while before Cena's next shirt put him back on top[[/note]] WWE won't risk killing their biggest cash cow and continue the same booking that gives him this. Truth of the matter is, people ''do'' like Cena, or at the very least know that he can be ''very'' entertaining when he wants to be, but he isn't allowed to change his character due to his position in the company. Thus, the heat isn't really for him, the performer -- it's for the guys who book him that way. Thus one could say that John Cena the ''character'' is TheScrappy, while John Cena the ''performer'' is well-liked, or at least well-respected.

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* XPacHeat: Unlike the TropeNamer, this is directed by part of the fanbase directs this at the way Cena is booked booked, rather than at the man himself himself, and many who cite this claim they would like him more if he turned heel or left the main event (but event. (But make no mistake, there are plenty of people who really do hate him, Cena sucks him; "Cena sucks!" chants have even shown up in promotions he's never worked for). for.) But because his fanbase keep buying tickets to shows he's heavily advertised on on, and his merchandise sells more than any other superstar[[note]]Both Jeff Hardy and CM Punk have sold more than Cena at one point or another for a short while before Cena's next shirt put him back on top[[/note]] top[[/note]], WWE won't risk killing their biggest cash cow and continue the same booking that gives him this. Truth of the matter is, people ''do'' like Cena, or at the very least know that he can be ''very'' entertaining when he wants to be, but he isn't allowed to change his character due to his position in the company. Thus, the heat isn't really for him, the performer -- it's for the guys who book him that way. Thus one could say that John Cena the ''character'' is TheScrappy, while John Cena the ''performer'' is well-liked, or at least well-respected.
31st Aug '16 8:40:43 PM FordPrefect
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** Hell in a Cell was suppose to be a gimmick match that laid feuds to rest, but John Cena refused to take a break from pursuing Randy Orton and Alberto Del Rio after losing to them in the Cell, killing off some of its appeal. Though for the Del Rio case, CM Punk was involved in the contest as well, making it a triple threat for the title (in fact, Punk was the one Del Rio pinned to win the title), and that there wasn't that much bad blood or heat between Cena and Del Rio to begin with -- in fact, there was probably more bad blood between Punk and Cena at that point, or at least more reason for them to be in the Cell together instead. If that sounds convoluted it's because creative was intent on pushing Del Rio but had written themselves into a corner by making ''Hell In A Cell'' an [[UniquenessDecay annual pay per view]].

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** Hell in a Cell was suppose supposed to be a gimmick match that laid feuds to rest, but John Cena refused to take a break from pursuing Randy Orton and Alberto Del Rio after losing to them in the Cell, killing off some of its appeal. Though for the Del Rio case, CM Punk was involved in the contest as well, making it a triple threat for the title (in fact, Punk was the one Del Rio pinned to win the title), and that there wasn't that much bad blood or heat between Cena and Del Rio to begin with -- in fact, there was probably more bad blood between Punk and Cena at that point, or at least more reason for them to be in the Cell together instead. If that sounds convoluted convoluted, it's because creative was intent on pushing Del Rio but had written themselves into a corner by making ''Hell In A Cell'' an [[UniquenessDecay annual pay per view]].



** And it's returned with a vengeance post-''[=WrestleMania=] XXX''. Was him defeating Bray Wyatt a logical transition point in their feud? Or was this yet another incidence of Cena coming out on top to the benefit of absolutely no one but himself? Go ahead and [[SchmuckBait ask this question online]]. [[InternetBackdraft We'll wait]].[[note]]For whatever is worth, Wyatt won a second match, but Cena won a third and final one, leaving them 21 in Cena's favor.[[/note]] A year later, and the same thing happened with Wrestling/{{Rusev|AndLana}}.
** His 2015 US Title run. Never mind the people that don't appreciate his going over Rusev at [=WM31=] (see above), but he's been holding an 'open challenge' [[OnceAnEpisode weekly]] on ''Raw'' since he won the belt. Some people believe that the whole point is to establish a new precedent for the US Title (perhaps as more of a 'television' title that sees the bulk of its defenses on TV programming moreso than the other titles) and restore some of its prestige and visibility. Others think it's just an excuse to have Cena steamroll a bunch of up-and-comers. The thing is, these two opinions wouldn't be mutually exclusive, either. Eventually {{subverted|Trope}}, the US Open Challenges has been the best thing to happen to Cena in years. Now that Cena is working in the midcard, he's having PPV-quality matches nearly every week on RAW against the likes of Cesaro, Neville and Sami Zayn. His in-ring ability has been a renaissance in 2015, and he's even won over some smarky fans who were getting tired of him.

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** And it's returned with a vengeance post-''[=WrestleMania=] XXX''. Was him defeating Bray Wyatt a logical transition point in their feud? Or was this yet another incidence of Cena coming out on top to the benefit of absolutely no one but himself? Go ahead and [[SchmuckBait ask this question online]]. [[InternetBackdraft We'll wait]].[[note]]For whatever is it's worth, Wyatt won a second match, but Cena won a third and final one, leaving them 21 in Cena's favor.[[/note]] A year later, and the same thing happened with Wrestling/{{Rusev|AndLana}}.
** His 2015 US Title run. Never mind the people that don't appreciate his going over Rusev at [=WM31=] (see above), but he's been holding an 'open challenge' [[OnceAnEpisode weekly]] on ''Raw'' since he won the belt. Some people believe that the whole point is to establish a new precedent for the US Title (perhaps as more of a 'television' title that sees the bulk of its defenses on TV programming moreso than the other titles) and restore some of its prestige and visibility. Others think it's just an excuse to have Cena steamroll a bunch of up-and-comers. The thing is, these two opinions wouldn't be mutually exclusive, either. Eventually {{subverted|Trope}}, the US Open Challenges has have been the best thing to happen to Cena in years. Now that Cena is working in the midcard, he's having PPV-quality matches nearly every week on RAW against the likes of Cesaro, Neville and Sami Zayn. His in-ring ability has been a renaissance in 2015, and he's even won over some smarky fans who were getting tired of him.
26th Aug '16 12:10:18 AM Nyame
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* ArcFatigue: The never ending Cena/Orton feud. While they generally have great matches together, there's a belief that the two don't really have chemistry when it comes to feud-building. That doesn't stop the company from trying to make them feud as if they were Stone Cold and the Rock.
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