History YMMV / HoratioHornblower

12th Oct '17 3:53:49 PM Marius
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* HoYay: Between Hornblower and Bush. Bush is never shown to have romantic interest in anybody (male or female), but he's devoted to Hornblower. He could be {{Asexual|ity}} and merely devoted to his closest friend, but given the [[HideYourLesbians Hide Your Gays]] period the author was writing in, Bush could be homosexual and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy supporting his hetero captain's relationships]]; the text gives no clues. From ''Flying Colours,'' while Bush is recovering from his serious injury:

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* HoYay: Between Hornblower and Bush. Bush is never shown to have romantic interest in anybody (male or female), but he's devoted to Hornblower. He could be {{Asexual|ity}} and merely devoted to his closest friend, but given the [[HideYourLesbians Hide Your Gays]] period the author was writing in, Bush could be homosexual and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy supporting his hetero captain's relationships]]; the text gives no clues. From
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''Flying Colours,'' while Bush is recovering from his serious injury:injury - they hold hands at least once, such as:


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** Also in ''Flying Colours'' but later:
-->''There had been a ridiculous pleasure about waking up to find Bush snoring beside him with a protective arm across him.''
21st Sep '17 8:59:29 PM Angeldeb82
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* HoYay: Between Hornblower and Bush. Bush is never shown to have romantic interest in anybody (male or female), but he's devoted to Hornblower. He could be {{Asexual}} and merely devoted to his closest friend, but given the HideYourGays period the author was writing in, Bush could be homosexual and [[IJustWantMyBelovedToBeHappy supporting his hetero captain's relationships]]; the text gives no clues. From ''Flying Colours,'' while Bush is recovering from his serious injury:

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* HoYay: Between Hornblower and Bush. Bush is never shown to have romantic interest in anybody (male or female), but he's devoted to Hornblower. He could be {{Asexual}} {{Asexual|ity}} and merely devoted to his closest friend, but given the HideYourGays [[HideYourLesbians Hide Your Gays]] period the author was writing in, Bush could be homosexual and [[IJustWantMyBelovedToBeHappy [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy supporting his hetero captain's relationships]]; the text gives no clues. From ''Flying Colours,'' while Bush is recovering from his serious injury:



** In Series Two, the interpretation of how [[spoiler: Captain Sawyer fell down the hatchway.]] The question of whether or not it was an accident leads often enough to the secondary question, whether it was in the nature of any of the characters present to [[spoiler: actively push the captain]].

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** In Series Two, the interpretation of how [[spoiler: Captain Sawyer fell down the hatchway.]] hatchway]]. The question of whether or not it was an accident leads often enough to the secondary question, whether it was in the nature of any of the characters present to [[spoiler: actively push the captain]].



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* EstrogenBrigade: Why, you thought swashbuckling adventures, officers of the Royal Navy, wooden ships, gory scenes with blood spattering around, wars and fights would appeal mainly to guys? There is this one thing that ladies can't have enough. Hot men in uniforms? Yes please. Hot men out of their uniforms? YES PLEASE. Hot men being [[ShirtlessScene shirtless]] and [[SexySoakedShirt wet]]? YEEES! PLEASE MORE. Mr Bush and Archie Kennedy seem to attract special attention, and they appear to be winning over the main man Hornblower, but he shouldn't worry too much. Female fans are known to like and write SlashFic, and Hornblower/Bush or Horatio/Archie are the most popular ships. Pellew is a great favourite as well, as are other characters like Mr Wellard, Major Edrington, Mr Orrock and Majot Côtard. So much eye candy! And they have deep and interesting personalities as well.

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* EstrogenBrigade: Why, you thought swashbuckling adventures, officers of the Royal Navy, wooden ships, gory scenes with blood spattering around, wars and fights would appeal mainly to guys? There is this one thing that ladies can't have enough. Hot men in uniforms? Yes please. Hot men out of their uniforms? YES PLEASE. Hot men being [[ShirtlessScene shirtless]] {{shirtless|Scene}} and [[SexySoakedShirt wet]]? YEEES! PLEASE MORE. Mr Bush and Archie Kennedy seem to attract special attention, and they appear to be winning over the main man Hornblower, but he shouldn't worry too much. Female fans are known to like and write SlashFic, and Hornblower/Bush or Horatio/Archie are the most popular ships. Pellew is a great favourite as well, as are other characters like Mr Wellard, Major Edrington, Mr Orrock and Majot Côtard. So much eye candy! And they have deep and interesting personalities as well.



* RomanticPlotTumor: In "The Frogs and The Lobsters", Horatio gets into a brief romantic subplot with Mariette, a local peasant girl, during a mission in France. The story was already dealing with three separate plot threads and the romance could have been taken out without changing any major events, and since Mariette's never mentioned after the conclusion of her little story arc, its usefulness as character development for Horatio is questionable. She mostly seems to be there to provide female eye candy, and eventually to [[spoiler: [[ShootTheShaggyDog get killed in the final act]] so Hornblower could have some angst.]] [[note]] By all appearances, it seems they just took the character of Marie Ladon from the books, and moved their meeting to before she married the son of the Comte de Gracay. Both women notably suffered similar fates, albeit under very different circumstances.[[/note]]

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* RomanticPlotTumor: In "The Frogs and The Lobsters", Horatio gets into a brief romantic subplot with Mariette, a local peasant girl, during a mission in France. The story was already dealing with three separate plot threads and the romance could have been taken out without changing any major events, and since Mariette's never mentioned after the conclusion of her little story arc, its usefulness as character development for Horatio is questionable. She mostly seems to be there to provide female eye candy, and eventually to [[spoiler: [[ShootTheShaggyDog get killed in the final act]] so Hornblower could have some angst.]] angst]]. [[note]] By all appearances, it seems they just took the character of Marie Ladon from the books, and moved their meeting to before she married the son of the Comte de Gracay. Both women notably suffered similar fates, albeit under very different circumstances.[[/note]]



* SeasonalRot: The third series loses its previous excellent production values, going for half-measures and ConspicuousCGI instead. The characterization is also sloppy--Pellew, as noted above, goes from being an excellent captain to almost a parody of an admiral, and Styles becomes completely unlikable. Rather than combining AdaptationDistillation with AdaptationExpansion as they had previously, the story only loosely resembles the events of ''Hotspur'' and turns minor mentions of Irish unrest into the whole plot; there are some frankly absurd moments with the deep-cover Irish agents (both in terms of narrative plausibility and their ability to survive explosions without a scratch). That said, unimpressive Hornblower still makes for pretty impressive television and the acting doesn't suffer.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: In the first episode's scenes in the longboat, Hornblower translates the French complaints that they're not yet in sight of the coast. The coast, however, is easily visible over his shoulder. (Doubtless it wouldn't have been safe to stick the boat entirely out to sea for filming, though ''filming in the opposite direction'' would have solved this problem.)

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* SeasonalRot: The third series loses its previous excellent production values, going for half-measures and ConspicuousCGI ConspicuousCG instead. The characterization is also sloppy--Pellew, as noted above, goes from being an excellent captain to almost a parody of an admiral, and Styles becomes completely unlikable. Rather than combining AdaptationDistillation with AdaptationExpansion as they had previously, the story only loosely resembles the events of ''Hotspur'' and turns minor mentions of Irish unrest into the whole plot; there are some frankly absurd moments with the deep-cover Irish agents (both in terms of narrative plausibility and their ability to survive explosions without a scratch). That said, unimpressive Hornblower still makes for pretty impressive television and the acting doesn't suffer.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: SpecialEffectFailure: In the first episode's scenes in the longboat, Hornblower translates the French complaints that they're not yet in sight of the coast. The coast, however, is easily visible over his shoulder. (Doubtless it wouldn't have been safe to stick the boat entirely out to sea for filming, though ''filming in the opposite direction'' would have solved this problem.)
15th Jul '17 8:55:22 PM maxwellsilver
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: In the first episode's scenes in the longboat, Hornblower translates the French complaints that they're not yet in sight of the coast. The coast, however, is easily visible over his shoulder. (Doubtless it wouldn't have been safe to stick the boat entirely out to sea for filming.)

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* SpecialEffectsFailure: In the first episode's scenes in the longboat, Hornblower translates the French complaints that they're not yet in sight of the coast. The coast, however, is easily visible over his shoulder. (Doubtless it wouldn't have been safe to stick the boat entirely out to sea for filming.filming, though ''filming in the opposite direction'' would have solved this problem.)
15th Jul '17 8:49:23 PM maxwellsilver
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Sawyer's fall and later death in ''Lieutenant Hornblower'' deliberately invites it. Was it Hornblower or Wellard who pushed him? Was it ''really'' a convenient accident? There is also a popular theory (put forward by Parkinson's unofficial biography) that Hornblower killed Sawyer during the prisoner uprising and blamed the Spanish, as it would be strange for a straitjacketed man to be killed in a battle and Hornblower has been known to ShootTheDog. But then there's also the question of whether Hornblower could do such a thing as a young man, as he's shown to not be completely inured to death and killing yet. Then there's the short story "The Hand of Destiny", in which it is made clear that it was the other man who shot a tyrannical captain and Hornblower let him. All in all, a subject for consideration.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Sawyer's fall and later death in ''Lieutenant Hornblower'' deliberately invites it. Was it Hornblower or Wellard who pushed him? Was it ''really'' a convenient accident? There is also a popular theory (put forward by Parkinson's unofficial biography) that Hornblower killed Sawyer during the prisoner uprising and blamed the Spanish, as it would be strange for a straitjacketed man to be killed in a battle and Hornblower has been known to ShootTheDog. But then there's also the question of whether Hornblower could do such a thing as a young man, as he's shown to not be completely inured to death and killing yet. Then there's the short story "The Hand of Destiny", in which it is made clear that it was the other man who shot a tyrannical captain and Hornblower let him.him (albeit after Hornblower pulled him out of the way to be ''merely'' shot in the knee instead of killed). All in all, a subject for consideration.
10th Jul '17 11:35:56 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* AngstDissonance: Hornblower has a habit of becoming ''more'' depressed after successes, taking himself to task for the "foolish" risks he's taken. [[GenreSavvy His awareness]] of this doesn't actually help. Conversely, he sometimes gets more cheerful when facing difficulties.

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* AngstDissonance: Hornblower has a habit of becoming ''more'' depressed after successes, taking himself to task for the "foolish" risks he's taken. [[GenreSavvy His awareness]] awareness of this doesn't actually help. Conversely, he sometimes gets more cheerful when facing difficulties.
30th Apr '17 5:06:19 PM eowynjedi
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* NoYay: In the first instalment, if you're prone to noticing subtext, the Inquisition scene is full of this. Simpson leaning in way too close to Hornblower and suggesting he fancies other boys? Add to that the popular RapeAsBackstory interpretation of Simpson's interactions with Kennedy, and it gets really suspicious.

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* NoYay: In the first instalment, installment, if you're prone to noticing subtext, the Inquisition scene is full of this. Simpson leaning in way too close to Hornblower and suggesting he fancies other boys? Add to that the popular RapeAsBackstory interpretation of Simpson's interactions with Kennedy, and it gets really suspicious.


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* SpecialEffectsFailure: In the first episode's scenes in the longboat, Hornblower translates the French complaints that they're not yet in sight of the coast. The coast, however, is easily visible over his shoulder. (Doubtless it wouldn't have been safe to stick the boat entirely out to sea for filming.)
21st Feb '17 4:18:14 AM XFllo
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* FailOSuckyname: In-universe, Hornblower considers his name ludicrous. He's not fond of 'Hornblower' but prefers a LastNameBasis to the alternatives.
8th Feb '17 9:52:51 PM eowynjedi
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** And after the fall down the hold, [[AlasPoorVillain Captain Sawyer himself]]. The injury and trauma shatters what sanity he had left and reduced him to a straightjacketed, weeping wreck who saw an enemy in every person that came into his cabin. When he's [[spoiler:murdered during the prisoner mutiny]] even Bush, one of his victims, thinks that Hell couldn't be hot enough for the person who did it.

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** And after the fall down the hold, [[AlasPoorVillain Captain Sawyer himself]]. The injury and trauma shatters what sanity he had left and reduced him to a straightjacketed, weeping wreck who saw an enemy in every person that came into his cabin. When he's [[spoiler:murdered during the prisoner mutiny]] even Bush, one of his victims, thinks that Hell couldn't be hot enough for the person who did it.
it. Worse if you read the short story "Hornblower and the Widow [=McCool=]" in which Sawyer appears as a rational man who actually expresses some sympathy for the unpleasant task he has to assign Hornblower.
22nd Jan '17 6:27:28 AM eowynjedi
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* HoYay: It seems to be just about every man in the British Navy towards Hornblower, apart from Lady Barbara's husband.

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* HoYay: It seems to be just about every Every man in the British Navy towards navy seems to be in love with Hornblower, apart from with the sole exception of Lady Barbara's husband.
19th Jan '17 2:20:36 AM Silverblade2
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* HeyItsThatGuy: Dreadnought Foster, played by Denis Lawson, was presumably promoted to Captain based on his impressive record as a starfighter pilot in the [[Franchise/StarWars Rebel Alliance.]]
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