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** It started in ''War Of Honor'', which revolves around the political tensions between the Pritchart administration, who want to end the First Havenite-Manticoran War, and the High Ridge government, who want to prolong it [[PresidentEvil to remain in power]]. This dialogue, despite having been easily described in one sentence and a PotHole, takes ''forty-nine chapters'' to resolve.

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** It started in ''War Of Honor'', which revolves around the political tensions between the Pritchart administration, who want to end the First Havenite-Manticoran War, and the High Ridge government, who want to prolong it [[PresidentEvil to remain in power]]. This dialogue, These negotiations, despite having been easily described in one sentence and a PotHole, takes ''forty-nine chapters'' to resolve.
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** The Anvilicious Revolutionary France parallels go beyond just Rob S. Pierre: His co-conspirator and successor is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Antoine_de_Saint-Just Oscar Saint-Just,]] his government is called the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Public_Safety Committee of Public Safety,]] characters repeatedly refer to his governance as a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror Reign of Terror,]] and his capital is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris Nouveau Paris,]] where the revolutionaries end up having an important meeting [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_Court_Oath in a tennis court.]] (Ironically, this was later revealed to have been deliberately exploited by Weber, who ruthlessly exploited these parallels to keep his readers looking in one direction while the plot went an ''[[OffTheRails entirely different]]'' direction.

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** The Anvilicious Revolutionary France parallels go beyond just Rob S. Pierre: His co-conspirator and successor is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Antoine_de_Saint-Just Oscar Saint-Just,]] his government is called the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Public_Safety Committee of Public Safety,]] characters repeatedly refer to his governance as a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror Reign of Terror,]] and his capital is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris Nouveau Paris,]] where the revolutionaries end up having an important meeting [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_Court_Oath in a tennis court.]] (Ironically, this was later revealed to have been deliberately exploited by Weber, who ruthlessly exploited pointed neon signs at these parallels to keep his readers looking in one direction while the plot went an ''[[OffTheRails entirely different]]'' direction.)
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** The Anvilicious Revolutionary France parallels go beyond just Rob S. Pierre: His co-conspirator and successor is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Antoine_de_Saint-Just Oscar Saint-Just,]] his government is called the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Public_Safety Committee of Public Safety,]] characters repeatedly refer to his governance as a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror Reign of Terror,]] and his capital is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris Nouveau Paris,]] where the revolutionaries end up having an important meeting [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_Court_Oath in a tennis court.]]

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** The Anvilicious Revolutionary France parallels go beyond just Rob S. Pierre: His co-conspirator and successor is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Antoine_de_Saint-Just Oscar Saint-Just,]] his government is called the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Public_Safety Committee of Public Safety,]] characters repeatedly refer to his governance as a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror Reign of Terror,]] and his capital is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris Nouveau Paris,]] where the revolutionaries end up having an important meeting [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_Court_Oath in a tennis court.]]]] (Ironically, this was later revealed to have been deliberately exploited by Weber, who ruthlessly exploited these parallels to keep his readers looking in one direction while the plot went an ''[[OffTheRails entirely different]]'' direction.
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* CompleteMonster: Most of Honor Harrington's enemies have been fairly complex adversaries with understandable or even altruistic goals. This is not the case for all of his foes, however:

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* CompleteMonster: Most of Honor Harrington's enemies have been fairly complex adversaries with understandable or even altruistic goals. This is not the case for all of his her foes, however:

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* CompleteMonster: Most of Honor Harrington's enemies have been fairly complex adversaries with understandable or even altruistic goals. Not so in the case of these two from ''Honor Among Enemies'':
** [[SpacePirates Andre Warnecke]] is the former dictator of the Chalice Cluster. Taking control of the Cluster during a revolution, Warnecke promised reform, but [[TheCaligula delivered oppression so severe]] that three million people died. After being run out of the system, he turned to [[RuthlessModernPirates piracy]], robbing and stealing from merchant ships in order to finance a return to Chalice. Coming upon the pacifistic world of Sidemore, Warnecke took power, executed all senior officials, and placed [[NukeEm nuclear warheads]] in all major cities in order to ensure the population's loyalty. When Honor and the HMAMC Wayfarer arrived on Sidemore to bring him to justice, Warnecke detonated one of his nukes to show that he wasn't bluffing, then offered to exchange the lives of Sidemore's urban population for his own personal safety.
** At first, [[SociopathicSoldier Power Tech 2nd Class Randy Steilman]] seems to be a simple [[TheBully bully]] with a large disciplinary record, until he brutally beats his crewmate Aubrey Wanderman to near-death because he didn't get a chance to beat him earlier. He then decides to desert the military by sabotaging the ship he is on and escaping in the confusion, but is caught attempting to injure a crewman just because that crewman was a harder worker than him. As a result, Steilman is demoted, and takes out his rage by sabotaging Petty Officer Ginger Lewis's spacesuit, hospitalizing and nearly killing her. Cruel and sadistic, Randy managed to be one of the most personal villains in the Honorverse while lacking the resources of other villains.

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* CompleteMonster: Most of Honor Harrington's enemies have been fairly complex adversaries with understandable or even altruistic goals. Not so in This is not the case for all of these two his foes, however:
** ''The Honor of the Queen'': [[InsaneAdmiral Captain of the Faithful Williams]] is the commander of [[TheFundamentalist Masada]]'s Blackbird base. When Williams receives war prisoners
from '''HMS Madrigal'', he orders all of the female prisoners [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil brutally raped]] by him and his men, leading to the deaths of all but two. Once the forces of Manticore and Grayson try to capture Blackbird, Williams orders all of the prisoners killed and his men to fight to the death, despite knowing they won't accomplish anything against better equipped Manticore marines, and when they try to avoid pointless deaths, Williams [[BadBoss shoots everyone within reach]]. [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating Williams]]'s cruelty inspires revulsion and hatred from his enemies, allies, and subordinates alike.
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Enemies'': [[SpacePirates Andre Warnecke]] is the former dictator of the Chalice Cluster. Taking control of the Cluster during a revolution, Warnecke promised reform, but [[TheCaligula delivered oppression so severe]] that three million people died. After being run out of the system, he turned to [[RuthlessModernPirates piracy]], robbing and stealing from merchant ships in order to finance a return to Chalice. Coming upon the pacifistic world of Sidemore, Warnecke took power, executed all senior officials, and placed [[NukeEm nuclear warheads]] in all major cities in order to ensure the population's loyalty. When Honor and the HMAMC Wayfarer arrived on Sidemore to bring him to justice, Warnecke detonated one of his nukes to show that he wasn't bluffing, then offered to exchange the lives of Sidemore's urban population for his own personal safety.
** At first, [[SociopathicSoldier Power Tech 2nd Class Randy Steilman]] seems to be a simple [[TheBully bully]] with a large disciplinary record, until he brutally beats his crewmate Aubrey Wanderman to near-death because he didn't get a chance to beat him earlier. He then decides to desert the military by sabotaging the ship he is on and escaping in the confusion, but is caught attempting to injure a crewman just because that crewman was a harder worker than him. As a result, Steilman is demoted, and takes out his rage by sabotaging Petty Officer Ginger Lewis's spacesuit, hospitalizing and nearly killing her. Cruel and sadistic, Randy managed to be one of the most personal villains in the Honorverse while lacking the resources of other villains.
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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: ''On Basilisk Station'' has a bit of this. The extremely short-ranged [[WaveMotionGun Grav Lance]] that is one of the central plot elements of the book is gone from later installments, as weapon ranges extend from tens to hundreds of thousands to hundreds of millions of kilometers, and while Admiral Dame Sonja Hemphill remains quite enamored of her own genius in her later appearances, she is not (unlike in the first book) inclined to take out her frustrations over the failures of systems she developed on the officers trying to employ them in the field.



** CrazyAwesome Victor Cachat got his own spinoff series for a reason. Things tend to get a lot more colorful and fast-paced when he's around with an absolutely entertaining mixture of humor, action and {{Realpolitik}}.

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** CrazyAwesome Victor Cachat got his own spinoff series for a reason. Things tend to get a lot more colorful and fast-paced when he's around with an absolutely entertaining mixture of humor, action and {{Realpolitik}}.
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* MarySuetopia: In something of a crossover between this trope and CreatorsPet, The Star Kingdom of Manticore was showered with structural advantages by Weber, to the point where it can break reader immersion to read the lines stating that Manticorans have one of the highest standards of living in the human-settled galaxy, especially when even their enemies admire their society, as Albrecht Detweiler (one of the BigBad's leadership) did as he looks down at Mesan Alignment's secret colony world in the Darius system and went on an internal monologue on Just How Good Manticore is (Mission Of Honor, ch 38):
---> And the truth was that, despite the accomplishments of the Alignment's R&D, and despite any tactical advantages which might accrue from the streak drive and the spider, very few star nations could have matched the industrial efficiency of the Star Empire of Manticore. Indeed, Benjamin suspected that even Manticore had failed to grasp just how great an advantage it possessed in that regard.
---> Over the last five or six T-years, he and Daniel had been trying to introduce Manticoran practices here at Darius, only to discover that the task wasn't as simple and forthright as it ought to have been. If they'd really wanted to duplicate Manticore's efficiency, they would've had to duplicate Manticore's entire industrial base—and its society—and they simply couldn't do that. Their labor force was extraordinarily good at following orders, extremely well trained, and highly motivated, but the kind of independence of thought which characterized Manticoran workers wasn't exactly something which had been encouraged among the slave workers of Darius. Even if it had been, their basic techniques and technologies were simply different from Manticore's. Better than the majority of League star systems could have produced, if those other star systems had only realized it, yet still at least a full generation behind the Manties.
But Weber stacked the deck in Manticore's favor, and these advantages are clear when comparing what Manticore has compared to every other planet shown in the text of the novels:
** Three human-habitable planets needing minimal, if any, tweaks, whereas most other star nations have one, perhaps two planets, often needing extensive biosphere tweaks (Grayson, Nuncio system, Potsdam).
** Uniquely far-sighted founders who set up a trust fund to have infrastructure sent ahead--a trust fund which managed to survive for six hundred years, including through Earth's "Final War," and delivered teachers and starships to the colonists when they arrived, an advantage that no other colony world in the text has been shown to have; most, in fact, descended into neo-barbarism due to lack of infrastructure, which is a recurring plot point for Manticore's interactions with other human worlds (ex: Nuncio, Potsdam, Silvestria).
** The only telepathic/empathic alien species in the known galaxy is in residence on one of Manticore's planets, and their members are protective of humans and bond with them.
** The Manticoran Wormhole Junction and its economic (and social) benefits, especially the link to Beowulf, only one week's travel from Old Earth; a large fraction of the galaxy's commercial trade is stated to transit through the Junction, giving Manticore a massive economic leg up. This one justifies the initial plot to a degree--coveting the Junction is part of the motivation of the early antagonists in the series--but there is still no question that it is a significant advantage that no one else in the settled galaxy has (the next most dense junction, the Felix junction, has only half as many wormholes as Manticore, and is a close-held secret of the Mesan Alignment).
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It's right there in the books that Weber gave the Manties so many advantages on top of advantages, and then had Detweiler give a long monologue on Just How Good they are; that was the book that made me stop reading Honorverse because I felt that he'd gotten too hamfisted with his blatant favoritism. This is the Your Millage May Vary page—a page where subjective reactions and approaches to the text are recorded, and the fact that Weber's protagonists belong to a faction so ridiculously O Ped is again, right there in the text. It belongs here every bit as much as Anvilicious and Complete Monster.

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* MarySuetopia: In something of a crossover between this trope and CreatorsPet, The Star Kingdom of Manticore was showered with structural advantages by Weber, to the point where it can break reader immersion to read the lines stating that Manticorans have one of the highest standards of living in the human-settled galaxy, especially when even their enemies admire their society, as Albrecht Detweiler (one of the BigBad's leadership) did as he looks down at Mesan Alignment's secret colony world in the Darius system and went on an internal monologue on Just How Good Manticore is (Mission Of Honor, ch 38):
---> And the truth was that, despite the accomplishments of the Alignment's R&D, and despite any tactical advantages which might accrue from the streak drive and the spider, very few star nations could have matched the industrial efficiency of the Star Empire of Manticore. Indeed, Benjamin suspected that even Manticore had failed to grasp just how great an advantage it possessed in that regard.
---> Over the last five or six T-years, he and Daniel had been trying to introduce Manticoran practices here at Darius, only to discover that the task wasn't as simple and forthright as it ought to have been. If they'd really wanted to duplicate Manticore's efficiency, they would've had to duplicate Manticore's entire industrial base—and its society—and they simply couldn't do that. Their labor force was extraordinarily good at following orders, extremely well trained, and highly motivated, but the kind of independence of thought which characterized Manticoran workers wasn't exactly something which had been encouraged among the slave workers of Darius. Even if it had been, their basic techniques and technologies were simply different from Manticore's. Better than the majority of League star systems could have produced, if those other star systems had only realized it, yet still at least a full generation behind the Manties.
But Weber stacked the deck in Manticore's favor, and these advantages are clear when comparing what Manticore has compared to every other planet shown in the text of the novels:
** Three human-habitable planets needing minimal, if any, tweaks, whereas most other star nations have one, perhaps two planets, often needing extensive biosphere tweaks (Grayson, Nuncio system, Potsdam).
** Uniquely far-sighted founders who set up a trust fund to have infrastructure sent ahead--a trust fund which managed to survive for six hundred years, including through Earth's "Final War," and delivered teachers and starships to the colonists when they arrived, an advantage that no other colony world in the text has been shown to have; most, in fact, descended into neo-barbarism due to lack of infrastructure, which is a recurring plot point for Manticore's interactions with other human worlds (ex: Nuncio, Potsdam, Silvestria).
** The only telepathic/empathic alien species in the known galaxy is in residence on one of Manticore's planets, and their members are protective of humans and bond with them.
** The Manticoran Wormhole Junction and its economic (and social) benefits, especially the link to Beowulf, only one week's travel from Old Earth; a large fraction of the galaxy's commercial trade is stated to transit through the Junction, giving Manticore a massive economic leg up. This one justifies the initial plot to a degree--coveting the Junction is part of the motivation of the early antagonists in the series--but there is still no question that it is a significant advantage that no one else in the settled galaxy has (the next most dense junction, the Felix junction, has only half as many wormholes as Manticore, and is a close-held secret of the Mesan Alignment).
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Stop trying to shoehorn an example that STILL has no basis in the actual books. N Ice try.


* MarySuetopia: In something of a crossover between this trope and CreatorsPet, The Star Kingdom of Manticore was showered with structural advantages by Weber, to the point where it can be hard to read the lines stating that Manticorans have one of the highest standards of living in the human-settled galaxy, to the point where even their enemies admire their society. Three human-habitable planets needing minimal, if any, tweaks, check. The only telepathic/empathic alien species in the known galaxy in residence, and their members are protective of people, check. Uniquely far-sighted founders who set up a trust fund to have infrastructure sent ahead--a trust fund that managed to survive for half a millennium, and through Earth's "Final War" and delivered teachers and starships to the colonists when they arrived, check. The Manticoran Wormhole Junction and its economic (and social) benefits, check, especially the link to Beowulf. With all of those benefits stacked on top of each other, it's not hard to understand why Manticore is such an economically, socially, and technically advantaged society in comparison to everyone else.
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* MarySuetopia: In something of a crossover between this trope and CreatorsPet, The Star Kingdom of Manticore was showered with structural advantages by Weber, to the point where it can be hard to read the lines stating that Manticorans have one of the highest standards of living in the human-settled galaxy, to the point where even their enemies admire their society. Three human-habitable planets needing minimal, if any, tweaks, check. The only telepathic/empathic alien species in the known galaxy in residence, and their members are protective of people, check. Uniquely far-sighted founders who set up a trust fund to have infrastructure sent ahead--a trust fund that managed to survive for half a millennium, and through Earth's "Final War" and delivered teachers and starships to the colonists when they arrived, check. The Manticoran Wormhole Junction and its economic (and social) benefits, check, especially the link to Beowulf. With all of those benefits stacked on top of each other, it's not hard to understand why Manticore is such an economically, socially, and technically advantaged society in comparison to everyone else.
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** Alice Ramsbottom from the short story "Ruthless," due to helping thwart her villainous parents in a GuileHero fashion while still loving them and gracefully accepting she isn't going to have a ChildhoodFriendRomance with Prince Michael.
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*** Even if it doesn't quite rise to "anvil" levels, you could make a case for parallels with the EU and UN as well: The fundamental flaw in the Solarian League, that explains how it got to where it is at the time of the main-line novels, is that it was conceived as something well beyond a mere alliance or regional government, but short of a true government. As a result, it was sufficiently government-like for large numbers of people to want it to do things that required real governmental power, but not government-like enough to be able to reliably do those things using the powers that it was actually ''intended'' to have. Cue a series of gradually expanding workarounds and "established practices," many of which started out with good intentions . . .

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*** Even if it doesn't quite rise to "anvil" levels, you could make a case for parallels with the EU and UN as well: The fundamental flaw in the Solarian League, that explains how it got to where it is at the time of the main-line novels, is that it was conceived as something well beyond a mere alliance or regional government, grouping, but short of a true government. As a result, it was sufficiently government-like for large numbers of people to want it to do things that required real governmental power, but not government-like enough to be able to reliably do those things using the powers that it was actually ''intended'' to have. Cue a series of gradually expanding workarounds and "established practices," many of which started out with good intentions . . .
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*** Even if it doesn't quite rise to "anvil" levels, you could make a case for parallels with the EU and UN as well: The fundamental flaw in the Solarian League, that explains how it got to where it is at the time of the main-line novels, is that it was conceived as something well beyond a mere alliance or regional government, but short of a true government. As a result, it was sufficiently government-like for large numbers of people to want it to do things that required real governmental power, but not government-like enough to be able to reliably do those things using the powers that it was actually ''intended'' to have. Cue a series of gradually expanding workarounds and "established practices," many of which started out with good intentions . . .
**** In particular, the excessive power of the permanent bureaucracy relative to the elected legislature is a result of the fact that the constitutional limits on the ability of the League government to pass controversial ''laws'' are extremely strict, but the limits on its ability to come up ''regulations'' that creatively "implement" existing laws are . . . less precise.
**** Similarly, while the ''extent'' of OFS's exploitation of the protectorates may be attributable to corruption and human greed, it's made clear that the ultimate cause of that exploitation is that the League **can't function** on tax revenues alone, due to the difficulty of passing legislation that increases taxes, and so it ''has'' to rely heavily on "administrative fees." And given that those fees are determined by an unaccountable, legally-gray -- at best! -- process anyway, it's a lot less disruptive to the status quo to collect them disproportionately from people who live on the ass end of nowhere and aren't voting citizens.
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** Weber’s practice of making his characters say “Um.” to indicate assent or acknowledgement, rather than being unsure, where common practice would use “Hm.” or “Mm.”

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* CreatorsPet: In an oddly meta example, the Star Kingdom of Manticore was showered with advantages by Weber, to the point where it can be hard to read the lines touting the point about how Manticorans have one of the highest standards of living in the human-settled galaxy. Three human-habitable planets needing minimal, if any, tweaks, check. The only telepathic/empathic alien species in the known galaxy in residence, and their members are protective of people, check. Uniquely far-sighted founders who set up a trust fund to have infrastructure sent ahead--a trust fund that managed to survive for half a millennium, and through Earth's "Final War" and delivered teachers and starships to the colonists when they arrived, check. The Manticoran Wormhole Junction and its economic (and social) benefits, check, especially the link to Beowulf. With all of those benefits stacked on top of each other, it's not hard to understand why Manticore is such an economically, socially, and technically advantaged society in comparison to everyone else. This is mitigated somewhat by the implementation of [[FeudalFuture Manticore's aristocracy]] (unlike the modern UK, the hereditary House of Lords has greater power than the Commons), which combined with prolong means that political change happens slowly, if at all.
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** Wallace Canning, one of Rob Pierre's original co-conspirators. Unlike the others at that point, he has a personal grudge against Honor (due to the events of the first book) and could have gotten some interesting plot impact and development as the only legislaturalist in the new government, and seeing just how bloodthirsty it got (and perhaps falling victim to it himself sooner or later). Instead, he's never even ''mentioned'' in the series after the end of the third book and the initial coup's success.
** Jessica Dorcett from ''In Enemy Hands'' who had an interesting but barely touched on ItsAllMyFault reaction to Honor being captured and then is never seen again. She could have gotten some further appearances trying to atone for that before Honor turned up alive and/or meeting her afterwards.
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* HesJustHiding: Given the sheer scale of [[spoiler:The Beowulf strike]] and the number of prominent, likable characters present, it isn’t hard too hope some of them might have survived but been lost in the confusion.
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** Admiral Kotouc and Megan Petersen with their BigDamnHeroes Saganami inspired moment in ''Uncompromising Honor''.
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** First Space Lord Thomas Caparelli gets a lot of praise for his ability to balance the needs of the military and the villain populace, his willingness to trust and appreciate Honor even at a time when she's Persona non grata in several circles, and how gracefully he takes his AlwaysSomeoneBetter relationship with Hamish, appreciating and seeking out the man's superior insight and planning ability, but still being capable of brilliant ideas of his own.

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** First Space Lord Thomas Caparelli gets a lot of praise for his ability to balance the needs of the military and the villain civilian populace, his willingness to trust and appreciate Honor even at a time when she's Persona non grata in several circles, and how gracefully he takes his AlwaysSomeoneBetter relationship with Hamish, appreciating and seeking out the man's superior insight and planning ability, but still being capable of brilliant ideas of his own.



** Thomas Caparelli has a good run as First Space Lord and ReasonableAuthorityFigure, but never gets more than a handful of chapters in the spotlight per appearance, and rarely if ever directly interacts with Honor. [[spoiler: He even becomes a casualty of the Beowulf strike without even a proper death scene, when there were enough SacrificialLion's there that his presence and death wasn't even necessary]].
** Jackie Harmon, who provided a good perspective as a highly innovative LAC fighter pilot which could have been extended throughout the series, but only appears in two books [[spoiler: becoming a casualty in the second]].

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** Thomas Caparelli has a good run as First Space Lord and ReasonableAuthorityFigure, but never gets more than a handful of chapters in the spotlight per appearance, and rarely if ever directly interacts gets to interact with Honor. [[spoiler: He even becomes a casualty of the Beowulf strike without even a proper death scene, when there were enough SacrificialLion's there that his presence and death wasn't even necessary]].
** Jackie Harmon, who Harmon provided a good perspective as a highly innovative LAC fighter pilot which could have been extended throughout the series, but only appears in two books [[spoiler: becoming a casualty in the second]].



** Seth Chernock, the WickedCultured PRH General who figures out something is wrong at the prison planet of Hades just form a missing chess move on the courier ship, only appears in the final chapters of ''Echoes of Honor'' and is killed in the ensuring conflict, but could have had a nice WorthyOpponent, or NoNonsenseNemesis vibe with Honor over subsequent books if he'd lived for at least another book or two.

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** Seth Chernock, the WickedCultured PRH General who figures out something is wrong at the prison planet of Hades just form from a missing chess move on the courier ship, only appears in the final chapters of ''Echoes of Honor'' and is killed in the ensuring conflict, but could have had a nice WorthyOpponent, or NoNonsenseNemesis vibe with Honor over subsequent books if he'd lived for at least another book or two.



** Thomas Baschfisch, Honor's commanding officer during her snotty cruise in ''Ms. Midshipwoman Harrington'', who works hard to prevent Pavel Young's allies form sabotaging her career, and is considered a rising Naval star and brilliant tactician, is mostly relegated to a desk job afterwards and only appears in one additional story despite his general aura of competence and good dynamics with honor, although [[AnyoneCanDie given the high mortality of the supporting cast]] this isn't completely awful for him.
** Simon Mattingly, one of Honor's more well-developed and long-lasting Armsmen, never gets much focus despite awesome moments like continuing to guard Honor's quarters stoically when she's presumed dead, then [[spoiler: dies suddenly during an assassination attempt which would have had plenty of gravitas if no one had died, or if someone else had]], seemingly just to make LaFollet's enduring presence more impactful.
** Admiral Capriotti and his staff get a good run in ''Uncompromising Honor'', carrying out the illegal "Operation Bucaneer", but in a way designed to completley eliminate civilian casualties. While [[spoiler: the death of Capriotto -and implicitly the others- at the end of the novel do emphasize the technological superiority of Manticore, and the WarIsHell /AnyoneCanDie themes, seeing their reaction to the Mesan Alignment's Beowulf strike, and realizing how they were used and that Manticore is completely in the right could have provided a good path for the remainder of the novel, and/or future ones]].

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** Thomas Baschfisch, Honor's commanding officer during her snotty cruise in ''Ms. Midshipwoman Harrington'', who works hard to prevent Pavel Young's allies form sabotaging her career, and is considered a rising Naval star and brilliant tactician, is mostly relegated to a desk job afterwards and only appears in one additional story despite his general aura of competence and good dynamics with honor, Honor, although [[AnyoneCanDie given the high mortality of the supporting cast]] this isn't completely awful for him.
** Simon Mattingly, one of Honor's more well-developed and long-lasting Armsmen, never gets much focus despite awesome moments like continuing to guard Honor's quarters stoically when she's presumed dead, then [[spoiler: dies suddenly during an assassination attempt which would have had plenty of gravitas even if no one armsman had died, or if someone else had]], seemingly just to make LaFollet's enduring presence more impactful.
** Admiral Capriotti and his staff get a good run in ''Uncompromising Honor'', carrying out the illegal "Operation Bucaneer", but in a way designed to completley eliminate civilian casualties. While [[spoiler: the death of Capriotto Capriotti -and implicitly the others- at the end of the novel do emphasize the technological superiority of Manticore, and the WarIsHell /AnyoneCanDie themes, seeing their reaction to the Mesan Alignment's Beowulf strike, and realizing how they were used and that Manticore is completely in the right could have provided a good path for the remainder of the novel, and/or future ones]].
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* CreatorsPet: In an oddly meta example, the Star Kingdom of Manticore was showered with advantages by Weber, to the point where it can be hard to read the lines touting the point about how Manticorans have one of the highest standards of living in the human-settled galaxy. Three human-habitable planets needing minimal, if any, tweaks, check. The only telepathic/empathic alien species in the known galaxy in residence, and their members are protective of people, check. Uniquely far-sighted founders who set up a trust fund to have infrastructure sent ahead--a trust fund that managed to survive for half a millennium, and through Earth's "Final War" and delivered teachers and starships to the colonists when they arrived, check. The Manticoran Wormhole Junction and its economic (and social) benefits, check, especially the link to Beowulf. With all of those benefits stacked on top of each other, it's not hard to understand why Manticore is such an economically, socially, and technically advantaged society in comparison to everyone else.

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* CreatorsPet: In an oddly meta example, the Star Kingdom of Manticore was showered with advantages by Weber, to the point where it can be hard to read the lines touting the point about how Manticorans have one of the highest standards of living in the human-settled galaxy. Three human-habitable planets needing minimal, if any, tweaks, check. The only telepathic/empathic alien species in the known galaxy in residence, and their members are protective of people, check. Uniquely far-sighted founders who set up a trust fund to have infrastructure sent ahead--a trust fund that managed to survive for half a millennium, and through Earth's "Final War" and delivered teachers and starships to the colonists when they arrived, check. The Manticoran Wormhole Junction and its economic (and social) benefits, check, especially the link to Beowulf. With all of those benefits stacked on top of each other, it's not hard to understand why Manticore is such an economically, socially, and technically advantaged society in comparison to everyone else. This is mitigated somewhat by the implementation of [[FeudalFuture Manticore's aristocracy]] (unlike the modern UK, the hereditary House of Lords has greater power than the Commons), which combined with prolong means that political change happens slowly, if at all.

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** Many fans voice appreciation for Theodosia Kuzak, for her assertive role in the court-martial of Pavel Young and good WorkingWithTheEx dynamic with Hamish.
** First Space Lord Thomas Caparelli gets a lot of praise for his ability to balance the needs of the military and the villain populace, his willingness to trust and appreciate Honor even at a time when she's Persona non grata in several circles, and his somewhat humorous FriendlyRival relationship with Hamish, which neither man ever lets interfere with their work.

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** Many fans voice appreciation for Theodosia Kuzak, for her assertive role in the court-martial of Pavel Young Young, long string of Naval accomplishments, and good WorkingWithTheEx dynamic with Hamish.
** First Space Lord Thomas Caparelli gets a lot of praise for his ability to balance the needs of the military and the villain populace, his willingness to trust and appreciate Honor even at a time when she's Persona non grata in several circles, and how gracefully he takes his somewhat humorous FriendlyRival AlwaysSomeoneBetter relationship with Hamish, which neither man ever lets interfere appreciating and seeking out the man's superior insight and planning ability, but still being capable of brilliant ideas of his own.
** CrazyAwesome Victor Cachat got his own spinoff series for a reason. Things tend to get a lot more colorful and fast-paced when he's around
with their work.an absolutely entertaining mixture of humor, action and {{Realpolitik}}.

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** Many fans voice appreciation for Theodosia Kuzak, for her role in the court-martial of Pavel Young and good WorkingWithTheEx dynamic with Hamish.
** First Space Lord Thomas Caparelli gets a lot of praise for his ability to balance the needs of the fleet and the villain populace, his willingness to trust and appreciate Honor even at a time when she's Persona non grata in several circles, and his somewhat humorous FriendlyRival relationship with Hamish, which neither man ever lets interfere with their work.

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** Many fans voice appreciation for Theodosia Kuzak, for her assertive role in the court-martial of Pavel Young and good WorkingWithTheEx dynamic with Hamish.
** First Space Lord Thomas Caparelli gets a lot of praise for his ability to balance the needs of the fleet military and the villain populace, his willingness to trust and appreciate Honor even at a time when she's Persona non grata in several circles, and his somewhat humorous FriendlyRival relationship with Hamish, which neither man ever lets interfere with their work.



** Denver Summervale's first appearance gives him a slight EvilIsCool treatment, then, when he reappears, he murders the love of Honor's life for money and is shown to have enjoyed it.



** Thomas Caparelli has a good run as First Space Lord and ReasonableAuthorityFigure, but never gets more than a handful of chapters in the spotlight per book, and other times he doesn't even get that. [[spoiler: He even becomes a casualty of the Beowulf strike without even a proper death scene, when there were enough SacrificialLion's there that his presence and death wasn't even necessary]].

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** Thomas Caparelli has a good run as First Space Lord and ReasonableAuthorityFigure, but never gets more than a handful of chapters in the spotlight per book, appearance, and other times he doesn't even get that.rarely if ever directly interacts with Honor. [[spoiler: He even becomes a casualty of the Beowulf strike without even a proper death scene, when there were enough SacrificialLion's there that his presence and death wasn't even necessary]].

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** Thomas Caparelli has a good run as First Space Lord and ReasonableAuthorityFigure [[spoiler: only to be a casualty of the Beowulf strike without even a proper death scene, when there were enough SacrificialLion's there that his presence and death wasn't even necessary]].
** Jackie Harmon, who provided a good perspective as a highy innovative LAC fighter pilot which could have been extended throughout the series, but only appears in two books [[spoiler: becoming a casualty in the second]].

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** Thomas Caparelli has a good run as First Space Lord and ReasonableAuthorityFigure ReasonableAuthorityFigure, but never gets more than a handful of chapters in the spotlight per book, and other times he doesn't even get that. [[spoiler: only to be He even becomes a casualty of the Beowulf strike without even a proper death scene, when there were enough SacrificialLion's there that his presence and death wasn't even necessary]].
** Jackie Harmon, who provided a good perspective as a highy highly innovative LAC fighter pilot which could have been extended throughout the series, but only appears in two books [[spoiler: becoming a casualty in the second]].



** [[spoiler: Miranda LaFollet]] is just another offscreen casualty of Yawata Crossing, adding to the stories angst despite several books of nice character development when it would have been a good moment, and better drama for [[spoiler: her brother to save her alongside Honor's children]].

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** [[spoiler: Miranda LaFollet]] is just another offscreen casualty of Yawata Crossing, adding to the stories angst despite several books of nice character development when it would have been a good moment, and better drama for [[spoiler: her brother to save her alongside Honor's children]].children]] and show her reaction to the event.



** Simon Mattingly, one of Honor's more well-developed and long-lasting Armsmen, who [[spoiler: dies suddenly during an assassination attempt which would have had plenty of gravitas if no one had died, or if someone else had]], seemingly just to make LaFollet's enduring presence more impactful.

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** Simon Mattingly, one of Honor's more well-developed and long-lasting Armsmen, who never gets much focus despite awesome moments like continuing to guard Honor's quarters stoically when she's presumed dead, then [[spoiler: dies suddenly during an assassination attempt which would have had plenty of gravitas if no one had died, or if someone else had]], seemingly just to make LaFollet's enduring presence more impactful.impactful.
** Admiral Capriotti and his staff get a good run in ''Uncompromising Honor'', carrying out the illegal "Operation Bucaneer", but in a way designed to completley eliminate civilian casualties. While [[spoiler: the death of Capriotto -and implicitly the others- at the end of the novel do emphasize the technological superiority of Manticore, and the WarIsHell /AnyoneCanDie themes, seeing their reaction to the Mesan Alignment's Beowulf strike, and realizing how they were used and that Manticore is completely in the right could have provided a good path for the remainder of the novel, and/or future ones]].
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** Seth Chernock, the WickedCultured PRH General who figures out something is wrong at the prison planet of Hades just form a missing chess move on the courier ship, only appears in the final chapters of ''Echoes of Honor'' and is killed in the ensuring conflict, but could have had a nice WorthyOpponents, or NoNonsenseNemesis vibe with Honor over subsequent books if he'd lived for at least another book or two.

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** Thomas Caparelli has a good run as First Space Lord and ReasonableAuthorityFigure [[spoiler: only to be a casualty of the Beowulf strike without even a proper death scene]].scene, when there were enough SacrificialLion's there that his presence and death wasn't even necessary]].


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** Seth Chernock, the WickedCultured PRH General who figures out something is wrong at the prison planet of Hades just form a missing chess move on the courier ship, only appears in the final chapters of ''Echoes of Honor'' and is killed in the ensuring conflict, but could have had a nice WorthyOpponents, or NoNonsenseNemesis vibe with Honor over subsequent books if he'd lived for at least another book or two.
** [[spoiler: Miranda LaFollet]] is just another offscreen casualty of Yawata Crossing, adding to the stories angst despite several books of nice character development when it would have been a good moment, and better drama for [[spoiler: her brother to save her alongside Honor's children]].
** Thomas Baschfisch, Honor's commanding officer during her snotty cruise in ''Ms. Midshipwoman Harrington'', who works hard to prevent Pavel Young's allies form sabotaging her career, and is considered a rising Naval star and brilliant tactician, is mostly relegated to a desk job afterwards and only appears in one additional story despite his general aura of competence and good dynamics with honor, although [[AnyoneCanDie given the high mortality of the supporting cast]] this isn't completely awful for him.
** Simon Mattingly, one of Honor's more well-developed and long-lasting Armsmen, who [[spoiler: dies suddenly during an assassination attempt which would have had plenty of gravitas if no one had died, or if someone else had]], seemingly just to make LaFollet's enduring presence more impactful.
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** Thomas Caparelli has a good run as First Space Lord and ReasonableAuthortiyFigure ReasonableAuthorityFigure [[spoiler: only to be a casualty of the Beowulf strike without even a proper death scene]].



** Carolyn Wolcott is a well-developed MuaveShirt in the second book, in the aftermath of her attempted sexual assault by a Grayson Officer, but is reduced to a barely-acknowledged BridgeBunny when she next appears in the story, [[spoiler: and is BackForTheDead]].

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** Carolyn Wolcott is a well-developed MuaveShirt MauveShirt in the second book, in the aftermath of her attempted sexual assault by a Grayson Officer, but is reduced to a barely-acknowledged BridgeBunny when she next appears in the story, [[spoiler: and is BackForTheDead]].

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: "Tac witch" Shannon Foraker for her plucky, geeky cheer even under a tyranny that distrusts its officers, for the "Oops!" CMOA, and for almost single-handedly being responsible for the Republic of Haven catching up to Manticore in their ArmsRace. The prospect of her teaming up with (a thoroughly redeemed over the last dozen books, thank you) [[spoiler:Admiral Sonja Hemphill]] was enough to have readers in literal TearsOfJoy.

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"Tac witch" Shannon Foraker for her plucky, geeky cheer even under a tyranny that distrusts its officers, for the "Oops!" CMOA, and for almost single-handedly being responsible for the Republic of Haven catching up to Manticore in their ArmsRace. The prospect of her teaming up with (a thoroughly redeemed over the last dozen books, thank you) [[spoiler:Admiral Sonja Hemphill]] was enough to have readers in literal TearsOfJoy.TearsOfJoy.
** Many fans voice appreciation for Theodosia Kuzak, for her role in the court-martial of Pavel Young and good WorkingWithTheEx dynamic with Hamish.
** First Space Lord Thomas Caparelli gets a lot of praise for his ability to balance the needs of the fleet and the villain populace, his willingness to trust and appreciate Honor even at a time when she's Persona non grata in several circles, and his somewhat humorous FriendlyRival relationship with Hamish, which neither man ever lets interfere with their work.
** Mark Sarnow's role as Honor's most capable direct superior yet, as well as his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to an admiral biased against her, proved to be some of the highlights of book three, ''The Short Victorious War''.


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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** The Loomis Liberation League is a well-developed and likable resistance movement against the OFS puppet state that are practically wiped out in their first chapter and never manage to contact Manticore despite their leader [[BaitAndSwitch have been trying to reach out to them right before being killed]] and even the survivors never get re-visited.
** Thomas Caparelli has a good run as First Space Lord and ReasonableAuthortiyFigure [[spoiler: only to be a casualty of the Beowulf strike without even a proper death scene]].
** Jackie Harmon, who provided a good perspective as a highy innovative LAC fighter pilot which could have been extended throughout the series, but only appears in two books [[spoiler: becoming a casualty in the second]].
** Carolyn Wolcott is a well-developed MuaveShirt in the second book, in the aftermath of her attempted sexual assault by a Grayson Officer, but is reduced to a barely-acknowledged BridgeBunny when she next appears in the story, [[spoiler: and is BackForTheDead]].


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** Luiseach MacRory MacGill of the Loomis Liberation League, falls firmly into this despite her sole scene so far lasting less than five pages: almost her entire family (including her two young children and her father) die during a massacre at the hands of the local Solarian League backed dictatorship, and their attempted resistance movement [[YankTheDogsChain experiences initial success, then is utterly massacred]] with practically every other named member being killed [[UncertainDoom or implied to]] and Manticore never even finding out about Loomis even as they liberate so many other neighboring systems.

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* CompleteMonster: Most of ''Literature/HonorHarrington'''s enemies have been fairly complex adversaries with understandable or even altruistic goals. Not so in the case of Andre Warnecke, former dictator of the Chalice Cluster, from ''Honor Among Enemies''. Taking control of the Cluster during a revolution, Warnecke promised reform, but delivered oppression so severe that three million people died. After being run out of the system, he turned to [[RuthlessModernPirates piracy]], robbing and stealing from merchant ships in order to finance a return to Chalice. Coming upon the pacifistic world of Sidemore, Warnecke took power, executed all senior officials, and placed [[NukeEm nuclear warheads]] in all major cities in order to ensure the population's loyalty. When Honor and the HMAMC ''Wayfarer'' arrived on Sidemore to bring him to justice, Warnecke detonated one of his nukes to show that he wasn't bluffing, then offered to exchange the lives of Sidemore's urban population for his own personal safety.

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* CompleteMonster: Most of ''Literature/HonorHarrington'''s Honor Harrington's enemies have been fairly complex adversaries with understandable or even altruistic goals. Not so in the case of these two from ''Honor Among Enemies'':
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Andre Warnecke, Warnecke]] is the former dictator of the Chalice Cluster, from ''Honor Among Enemies''. Cluster. Taking control of the Cluster during a revolution, Warnecke promised reform, but [[TheCaligula delivered oppression so severe severe]] that three million people died. After being run out of the system, he turned to [[RuthlessModernPirates piracy]], robbing and stealing from merchant ships in order to finance a return to Chalice. Coming upon the pacifistic world of Sidemore, Warnecke took power, executed all senior officials, and placed [[NukeEm nuclear warheads]] in all major cities in order to ensure the population's loyalty. When Honor and the HMAMC ''Wayfarer'' Wayfarer arrived on Sidemore to bring him to justice, Warnecke detonated one of his nukes to show that he wasn't bluffing, then offered to exchange the lives of Sidemore's urban population for his own personal safety.safety.
** At first, [[SociopathicSoldier Power Tech 2nd Class Randy Steilman]] seems to be a simple [[TheBully bully]] with a large disciplinary record, until he brutally beats his crewmate Aubrey Wanderman to near-death because he didn't get a chance to beat him earlier. He then decides to desert the military by sabotaging the ship he is on and escaping in the confusion, but is caught attempting to injure a crewman just because that crewman was a harder worker than him. As a result, Steilman is demoted, and takes out his rage by sabotaging Petty Officer Ginger Lewis's spacesuit, hospitalizing and nearly killing her. Cruel and sadistic, Randy managed to be one of the most personal villains in the Honorverse while lacking the resources of other villains.
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* MagnificentBastard:
** Honor considers Thomas Theisman to be one and Theisman seems to return the favor. Then there is Victor Cachat who proves to be a heavy weight contender for the title with his actions in ''Crown of Slaves'', where he gets Manticoran assets and Erehwon's government cooperating in a scheme that benefits the People's Republic a little more than it does the other participants - one of whom is technically still at war with Haven.
** While above examples are just contenders, Oscar Saint-Just and Albrecht Detweiler are ''the'' ones. With emphasis on the "bastard" part, manipulating many millions of people to act to suit their respective purposes.
** Governor Barregos and Admiral Rozsak are able to build up a multi-book long plot to secede from the Solarian League, effectively as Dictator and Admiralissimo of the entire sector- and they spin the announcement of the secession so that the planets under their control ''elect'' them to lead the sector. All according to their plan...
** The leaders of the [[spoiler:Mesan Alignment]] are very good at what they do - and undoubtedly a big group of [=SOBs=] who plot large wars, insurrections and multiple assassinations just to carry out their plans for galactic domination.
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** ''Mission from Honor'' and ''A Rising Thunder'' have firmly moved the series from its ''Literature/HoratioHornblower'' focus on single deployments with a traditional narrative arc (setup, rising conflict, climax, aftermath) to an unwieldy "record of an ongoing period of time" format that embodies this trope. For example, if ''A Rising Thunder'' didn't have P v. E, it might not have taken a third of the book to reach the main cast, nor would the first three chapters have focused on one-shot {{Lower Deck Episode}}s that basically came down to "Operation Lacoön upsets Solarians and Manticoran shipping companies."

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** ''Mission from Honor'' and ''A Rising Thunder'' have firmly moved the series from its ''Literature/HoratioHornblower'' focus on single deployments with a traditional narrative arc (setup, rising conflict, climax, aftermath) to an unwieldy "record of an ongoing period of time" format that embodies this trope. For example, if ''A Rising Thunder'' didn't have P v. E, it might not have taken a third of the book to reach the main cast, nor would the first three chapters have focused on one-shot {{Lower Deck Episode}}s that basically came down to "Operation Lacoön upsets Solarians and Manticoran shipping companies."" ''A Rising Thunder'' also features chapters outright ''copied'' from the spinoffs, as a method of recapping relevant events in them that probably wouldn't have been used without P v. E.

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