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* MoralEventHorizon: Subverted by Haruhi herself in ''Sigh'' when she spikes Mikuru's drink and leaves her open to possible rape. When she has Itsuki try to kiss her on camera, Kyon ''snaps'' and comes ''DANGEROUSLY'' close to assaulting her--and would've done so had Itsuki not restrained him. This close brush with Kyon's fist is supposedly what leads Haruhi to [[HeelRealization transition]] from {{Jerkass}} to JerkWithAHeartOfGold and become more sympathetic as the chronology goes on.
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Karma Houdini is a villain not punished


*** It's not that we ignore Haruhi's character development. It's just that after [[KarmaHoudini getting away with all of that,]] it's hard not to want to punch her.
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*** It's not that we ignore Haruhi's character development. It's just that after [[HarmaHoudini getting away with all of that,]] it's hard not to want to punch her.

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*** It's not that we ignore Haruhi's character development. It's just that after [[HarmaHoudini [[KarmaHoudini getting away with all of that,]] it's hard not to want to punch her.
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*** It's not that we ignore Haruhi's character development. It's just that after [[HarmaHoudini getting away with all of that,]] it's hard not to want to punch her.

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* FanDumb, HateDumb and RonTheDeathEater: Yes, Haruhi's a JerkAss. Yes, she treats Mikuru badly at the beginning, mostly due to not noticing. She gets better. This doesn't stop [[MoralMyopia some writers, who have come up with a frighteningly rabid desire to have the girl tortured, murdered]] and even [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raped]].)

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* FanDumb, HateDumb and RonTheDeathEater: Yes, Haruhi's a JerkAss. Yes, she treats Mikuru badly at the beginning, [[ObliviouslyEvil mostly due to not noticing. She noticing.]] '''She gets better. better.''' This doesn't stop [[MoralMyopia some writers, haters who have come up with a frighteningly rabid desire to have the girl tortured, murdered]] and even [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raped]].))
** The Haruhi bashing is better exemplified with [[http://dotiscute.livejournal.com/897321.html one rabid hater's]] [[KickTheDog reaction]] to Noizi Itou making [[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Q2DwzwEqyTw/TX1huKCBm5I/AAAAAAAAAl0/dcVrAjahWXU/s1600/Japan-Haruhi.jpg a Haruhi art]] [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming and putting it to auction for charity after the Kanto Earthquake]]:
-->''"In fact, if you really wanna get technical and bring Haruhi into this awful awful event that's destroyed and displaced the lives of Japan's citizens, I bet you anything it was Haruhi's "friends" who caused this earthquake in order to give the loopy cunt something to be fixated on to prevent her from destroying the universe in one of her many bitch-fits bought on by her own narcissistic personality disorder.''"
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* GeniusBonus: Did you know that the mathematical, physical and chemical formulas seen in opening animation are positronium, Lambda baryons, benzene ring, cyclohexanes, infinite number, Titius-Bode law, Planck's constant, Drake equation, time-dependent Schrodinger equation, Hubble's law, infinite product, definition of information entropy, large numbers1, stationary Schrödinger equation, the theory of relativity, probability axioms, definition of Laplace operator, the wave equation in one space dimension, and small numbers? Also, this wasn't just pulled out of a physics books, the writer Nagaru Tanigawa loves this stuff.

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* GeniusBonus: Did you know that the mathematical, physical and chemical formulas seen in opening animation are positronium, Lambda baryons, benzene ring, cyclohexanes, infinite number, Titius-Bode law, Planck's constant, Drake equation, time-dependent Schrodinger Schrödinger equation, Hubble's law, infinite product, definition of information entropy, large numbers1, stationary Schrödinger Schrödinger equation, the theory of relativity, probability axioms, definition of Laplace operator, the wave equation in one space dimension, and small numbers? Also, this wasn't just pulled out of a physics books, the writer Nagaru Tanigawa loves this stuff.
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* {{Hatedom}}: Not so much for the light novel series, but the anime has one of the most virulent hatedoms on the internet, that was only exacerbated after [[BrokenBase Endless Eight]].

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** Kyon probably doesn't like singing, but the truth is all his songs ROCK.

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** Kyon probably doesn't like singing, but the truth is all his songs ROCK.ROCK
*** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7bQG6LcMDY Of particular note]] is his version of ''Hare Hare Yukai'' which is a slow jam with acoustic guitar and harmonica.
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** Kyon's getting there himself, as exemplified at the end of [[spoiler:''Disappearance'' when he leads Yuki, Mikuru, and Itsuki back in time to save his own life and ensure the return of their recognizable world. The may have weird powers, Haruhi may [[WeirdnessMagnet attract]] weirdness, but Kyon can MOBILIZE it.]]
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** Also, although you ''can'' skip the middle episodes of the ''Endless Eight'' and only watch the first and last ones the ending of the final episode is ''much'' more satisfying after having endured the whole thing. Not to mention each episode has subtle changes that are hard to catch the first time.

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* CharacterAlignment
** Haruhi: At heart probably ChaoticGood, as she simply awkwardly wants to find a way to enjoy life, and that everybody should try to break the mundane monotony and try to enjoy themselves too, taking an active role in organising events; but in practice in-between this and ChaoticNeutral. She is very obtuse and self-centered PokeThePoodle type of obnoxious, and is willing to do strange things if it may yield interesting results, but is almost completely harmless/is within the comparatively "normal" range compared to most other media protagonists out there, and her more questionable acts are driven by not noticing, not any ill will towards anybody. However, of late she has begun to notice how she affects people around her, and will hopefully stop her KickTheDog moments towards poor kindhearted Mikuru.
** Kyon: NeutralGood. As much as he may try to keep to himself and obey society's expectations, he'll subvert the hell out of the rules if he has to for the greater good.
** Yuki: LawfulNeutral. Her ''raison d'etre'' is to obey orders without regard to the consequences (viz. Endless Eight). As she develops more of a personality later, she leans toward NeutralGood.
** Mikuru: LawfulGood. The only thing her dislike of trouble and her obedience to her superiors ever conflicts with is the possibility of someone she cares about being hurt. She frequently places herself in the role of a sacrifice for the good of others.
** Itsuki: About as close to TrueNeutral as you can get; his actions depend vastly on the situation.
*** [[spoiler: The Snow Mountain Syndrome chapter however reveals he may be leaning towards NeutralGood.]]



* NeverLiveItDown: Haruhi is never going to get away from the reputation she established in the beginning; even if she gets CharacterDevelopment from it, some fans will continue to see her as a CompleteMonster that ''never'' defrosts. Then again, her status as KarmaHoudini doesn't help...

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* NeverLiveItDown: Haruhi is never going to get away from the reputation she established in the beginning; even if she gets CharacterDevelopment from it, some fans will continue to see her as a CompleteMonster that ''never'' defrosts. Then again, her status as KarmaHoudini doesn't help...

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* BaseBreaker: Haruhi...to the fanbase of a series where she's the titular character!
** Kyon doesn't reach Haruhi's level, but he's either the most original and generally awesome LemonyNarrator or a pedant who really needs to shup the hell up.



** Kyon probably doesn't like singing, but the truth is all his songs ROCK.



** Yuki and especially Mikuru get a bit of this as well. Apparently, it's due to backlash for Haruhi being OutOfFocus in the last novels.



* EvilIsSexy: Haruhi, at the beginning. Evil in that she is willing to blackmail a computer club president through false incrimination. Sexy when it comes to her appearance AND her GenkiGirl personality.



* FanDumb: Quite a bit of it.

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* FanDumb: Quite FanDumb, HateDumb and RonTheDeathEater: Yes, Haruhi's a bit of it.JerkAss. Yes, she treats Mikuru badly at the beginning, mostly due to not noticing. She gets better. This doesn't stop [[MoralMyopia some writers, who have come up with a frighteningly rabid desire to have the girl tortured, murdered]] and even [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raped]].)



* MagnificentBastard: Haruhi, on occasion.



* NeverLiveItDown: Haruhi is never going to get away from the reputation she established in the beginning; even if she gets CharacterDevelopment from it, some fans will continue to see her as a CompleteMonster that ''never'' defrosts. Then again, her status as KarmaHoudini doesn't help...



* TheScrappy: In one of the popularity polls, Itsuki got less votes than Kyon's sister and lowest out of all members. Let that sink in.
* SpotlightStealingSquad: Yuki. She's not nearly as bad as other examples but does have an entire damn movie is created centering around her. Guess being the author's favorite character helps.



** JerkassWoobie: Before the start of the series Haruhi painfully realises that her experiences are mundane and not anything special (which is what she desires the most in her life), and in her quest to make her life special, goes on the hunt for aliens, time travellers and ESPers after some inspiration from Kyon. This leads to her general bluntness, and her obsession with cosplaying Mikuru. And all the exciting things she's hoped for ARE in her life, but she's LockedOutOfTheLoop!
** StoicWoobie: Yuki.



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* FetishFuel: Actually [[InvokedTrope invoked]], with all the cosplay and the groping.

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* FetishFuel: Actually [[InvokedTrope invoked]], {{Enforced}}, with all the cosplay and the groping.
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** More like [[EpilepticTrees Epileptic Forests.]]
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** [[WMG/HaruhiSuzumiya Epileptic ''Forests'' for everyone.]]

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** [[WMG/HaruhiSuzumiya Epileptic ''Forests'' Forests for everyone.]]everyone!]]
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** [[WMG/HaruhiSuzumiya Epileptic ''Forests'' for everyone.

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** And there is a [[FanDumb small group of fans]] who, upon discovering the novels, immediately think that [[FlatWhat the books are adapted from the anime and manga material, as opposed to the other way around.]] [[WallBanger Head, meet wall.]] Become good friends.

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** And there is a [[FanDumb small group of fans]] who, upon discovering the novels, immediately think that [[FlatWhat the books are adapted from the anime and manga material, as opposed to the other way around.]] [[WallBanger Head, meet wall.]] wall. Become good friends.



* WallBanger: Some people's opinion of the anime's take on "[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Endless Eight]]". [[spoiler:Eight episodes. EIGHT.]]
** Yutaka Yamamoto, production director of the first season (and no longer with KyoAni), actually apologized for "Endless Eight", saying he thought it should have been done in two episodes, and knew for over a year that it would be dragged out this long. His head bangs with ours.
*** KyoAni's response was simply that Yamamoto no longer works for Kyoto Animation, so he doesn't speak for the rest of the staff.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Good Lord. It would be faster to list characters who ''don't'' have followings with widely varied opinions. Not even {{those two guys}} are immune; EpilepticTrees for everyone!
** Deliberately fueled by the author himself. Itsuki hints that both he and Mikuru are merely putting up acts in order to fit the personalities that Haruhi expects them to have. However, neither the show nor the novels have actually ''shown'' this to be true.



* ArcFatigue: The appropriately titled "Endless Eight".



* MemeticMutation: Tsuruya aka Churuya, nyoro~n!
** Not to mention all the Hare Hare Yukai videos floating around YouTube.
** WA-WA-WA-Wasuremono...
** And the GenderFlip version, which has become so popular that it has even spawned ''doujinshi'' aside of fanarts and cosplay.
** Kyon-kun, denwa~
** [[GroundhogDayLoop We've entered an endless recursion of time.]][[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiSg02Ll20s .]]
** [[spoiler:Do your homework.]]
** Still suffering from Shoushitsu Syndrome?



* SoBadItsGood: "The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina", ep. 00 (the first episode).

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* SoBadItsGood: "The Adventures TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Many fans reacted this way to the new opening and ending sequences created for the 2009 episodes. Admittedly, the old themes had three full years to become ingrained into the collective fan-consciousness, and the [[DancingTheme ending theme especially]] achieved ''godlike'' levels of Mikuru Asahina", ep. 00 (the first episode).popularity, spawning thousands of fan-made videos and animations. Fortunately the creators of the anime were seemingly aware that they could never top themselves, and avoided the temptation to try simply by coming up with something Completely Different (neither of the new themes feature any dancing whatsoever, and their visual styles are quite distinct from both each other and the old themes).
** In a lampshaded (in the ViralMarketing) instance, before fan complaints, the English dub was going to use the word [[strike:"psychic"]] '''esper'''.


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* TheWoobie: Mikuru. She gets uprooted from her friends, family and timeline, is thrown into a culture alien to her without any of the technology she's used to in the future, where she is constantly manipulated, kept out of the loop and emotionally abused by none other than [[spoiler:her future self]]. Add to this the fact that before being sent back in time, she underwent mental conditioning preventing her from ever revealing anything details of her old life to any of her new friends, no matter how much she might want to. And all of this abuse came from the people she's supposed to be saving.
** Also [[spoiler: Yuki Nagato]] in ''The Disappearance Of Haruhi Suzumiya''. Hell, everywhere after her HostileShowTakeover and during the "Endless Eight" arc.
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* AdaptationDecay: Both manga; the first one was just a lot ''more'' unbearable.
** ''Sigh'' had a bit of this in the scene where Haruhi was bullying Mikuru and Kyon blows up at her. In the anime, Haruhi hits Mikuru on the back of the head for 'training'. Mikuru's relative lack of reaction and the light-ness of the blows make it seem as though Kyon's subsequent actions are a bit over the top. In the novels Haruhi is vicously beating on the back of Mikuru's head in order to knock a contact lens out of her head like in the movies, and Kyon's anger is much more justified. The toy comment is the same in both, and is the final straw (in a long line of cruelties) for Kyon.
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* BetterOnDVD: Maybe Endless Eight, assuming you're an American fan who can buy a boxset instead of having to pay the ludicrous prices for multiple [=DVDs=] of the same damn thing. Downing the whole thing straight may take four hours of your life, but it actually does hold up as an experiment. Failing that, it's at least better than having to watch the same damn episode eight weeks in a row.


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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Taniguchi, Tsuruya (and her superdeformed version, Churuya), and to a lesser degree Emiri. Ryoko also has quite a fanbase, even if she hasn't been that prominent in the series so far.


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* FanCommunityNicknames: The philosophy of "[[IntellectualPropertyReligion Haruhiism]]", or "SOS Brigade". Also, [[MarySue Mary Suzumiya]].


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* GeniusBonus: Did you know that the mathematical, physical and chemical formulas seen in opening animation are positronium, Lambda baryons, benzene ring, cyclohexanes, infinite number, Titius-Bode law, Planck's constant, Drake equation, time-dependent Schrodinger equation, Hubble's law, infinite product, definition of information entropy, large numbers1, stationary Schrödinger equation, the theory of relativity, probability axioms, definition of Laplace operator, the wave equation in one space dimension, and small numbers? Also, this wasn't just pulled out of a physics books, the writer Nagaru Tanigawa loves this stuff.
** The novels have even more, with countless throwaway references to astrophysics and at least one in-depth discussion (and illustrations) of Euler's planar graph formula. And let's not even start about the time travel incidents that reach a complexity where you just want to overlook it. Koizumi even talks about time-lines and alternate realities ''[[MemeticMutation at the SAME TIME,]] [[IronMan with some explanatory VISUALS]]''.
*** Also, ''Dissociation'' mentions Yuki reading a book about "Mathematicians, Artists, Musicians, and their Interrelations". This is probably "[[GodelEscherBach Godel, Escher, Bach]], an Eternal Golden Braid.", by Douglas Hofstadter. The book deals heavily with recursion, parallel worlds, and uncertainty. Suspiciously Apropos Literature or what?
** Some careful observation reveals a bit of philosophy thrown in, although I'm not sure why Kyon ascribes to Albert Camus' way of thinking.
** The rapid-fire speech capabilities of Yuki Nagato and Ryoko Asakura are actually human speech sped up 400%-500% and reversed. A few interesting things arose after decoding:
*** Yuki appears to be speaking in SQL.
*** Asakura asks Yuki, during their fight: "You love Kyon-kun, don't you? I know you have realized it."


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* InternetBackdraft: The second anime season also attracted quite a bit of criticism because [[spoiler:it seemed like KyoAni was wasting everyone's time, effort, and money by simply recycling the same script but with completely redone animation and voice acting each time]].
* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Kyon, but this is probably [[UnreliableNarrator intended]].
* MemeticBadass: According to fans, Mikuru's EyeBeam attack is one of the most destructive forces in existence.
** Considering how many different variants on the "Mikuru Beam" ended up coming out of her eye (and eventually sealed away by Yuki), this is entirely possible.
* RewatchBonus: You were almost forced to it in the first airing, due to the MindScrew episode order. However, even in the chronological order, there's an enormous amount of bonus.
* SoBadItsGood: "The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina", ep. 00 (the first episode).


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* WhatAnIdiot: Koizumi at one point in season two:
-->'''Koizumi''': There's no one who would confuse a movie character with the actor that plays him, right?
* {{Woolseyism}}: For example, the quote at the top of page more literally translated would have Haruhi asking for people from space, people from the future, people with special powers, and people from other worlds (although "alien" and "esper" are fairly standard translations of their respective Japanese terms).
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* AccidentalInnuendo: This quote from novel 8
--> ''Putting all her weight on my body, Haruhi then pushed me down to the floor. [[ItMakesSenseInContext Haruhi rode me like a horse, getting in the mount position.]]''
** A BritishEnglish exclusive example from the ''Disappearance'': "His spunk was nice and all"


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* AdaptationDisplacement: Wait, there are books?
** And there is a [[FanDumb small group of fans]] who, upon discovering the novels, immediately think that [[FlatWhat the books are adapted from the anime and manga material, as opposed to the other way around.]] [[WallBanger Head, meet wall.]] Become good friends.

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** Haruhi: ChaoticNeutral. She's willing to do anything so long as she thinks it will have an interesting result.

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** Haruhi: At heart probably ChaoticGood, as she simply awkwardly wants to find a way to enjoy life, and that everybody should try to break the mundane monotony and try to enjoy themselves too, taking an active role in organising events; but in practice in-between this and ChaoticNeutral. She's She is very obtuse and self-centered PokeThePoodle type of obnoxious, and is willing to do anything so long as she thinks strange things if it will have an may yield interesting result. results, but is almost completely harmless/is within the comparatively "normal" range compared to most other media protagonists out there, and her more questionable acts are driven by not noticing, not any ill will towards anybody. However, of late she has begun to notice how she affects people around her, and will hopefully stop her KickTheDog moments towards poor kindhearted Mikuru.
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** Haruhi: ChaoticNeutral. She's willing to do anything so long as she thinks it will have an interesting result. However, of late she has begun to slowly turn down the path of ChaoticGood as she begins to actually ''care'' for the feelings of those around her.

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** Haruhi: ChaoticNeutral. She's willing to do anything so long as she thinks it will have an interesting result. However, of late she has begun to slowly turn down the path of ChaoticGood as she begins to actually ''care'' for the feelings of those around her.
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** Haruhi: ChaoticNeutral. She's willing to do anything so long as she thinks it will have an interesting result. Those who see her as a JerkassSue are more likely to think she's ChaoticEvil. However, of late she has begun to slowly turn down the path of ChaoticGood as she begins to actually ''care'' for the feelings of those around her.

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** Haruhi: ChaoticNeutral. She's willing to do anything so long as she thinks it will have an interesting result. Those who see her as a JerkassSue are more likely to think she's ChaoticEvil. However, of late she has begun to slowly turn down the path of ChaoticGood as she begins to actually ''care'' for the feelings of those around her.
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* AuthorSavingThrow: Though planned before [[BrokenBase base-breaking]] "Endless Eight" and character re-visualization in the anime, both producers and fans hoped the movie would be this. [[AndTheFandomRejoiced It succeeded]].

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* AuthorSavingThrow: AuthorsSavingThrow: Though planned before [[BrokenBase base-breaking]] "Endless Eight" and character re-visualization in the anime, both producers and fans hoped the movie would be this. [[AndTheFandomRejoiced It succeeded]].
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* AuthorSavingThrow: Though planned before [[BrokenBase base-breaking]] "Endless Eight" and character re-visualization in the anime, both producers and fans hoped the movie would be this. [[AndTheFandomRejoiced It succeeded]].
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* EndingFatigue: The episode that wouldn't die, "Endless Eight". The visual style of each iteration came to reflect, and subsequently reinforce in viewers, the fatigue experienced by Nagato.

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