History YMMV / HarryPotter

8th May '18 5:57:58 PM Tavernier
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The forces of law and order are either incompetent (Dumbledore[[note]]especially during ''Order of the Phoenix''[[/note]]), impotent (the teachers), or detrimental (the Ministry), and the main characters achieve greatness repeatedly if not exclusively through rule-breaking.
8th May '18 5:45:30 PM StardustSoldier
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* AcceptableTargets: Ugly people are almost always assholes. Dudley, Uncle Vernon, Crabbe, Aunt Marge, and Umbridge are [[FatBastard Fat Bastards]], [[AlphaBitch Pansy]] is described as having the face of a pug, and [[AbusiveParents Aunt Petunia]] is described as looking like a horse. The only homely characters that are the least bit sympathetic are Hermione and Neville, but even the former eventually grew into her body.
** Averted later on in the books. Bill Weasley and Mad-Eye Moody are both solid heroes despite being grotesquely scarred, the portly Slughorn proves himself a fundamentally good person, and even Snape turns out to be an Anti-Hero.

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* AcceptableTargets: Ugly people are almost always assholes. Dudley, Uncle Vernon, Crabbe, Aunt Marge, and Umbridge are [[FatBastard Fat Bastards]], [[AlphaBitch Pansy]] is described as having the face of a pug, and [[AbusiveParents Aunt Petunia]] is described as looking like a horse. The only homely characters that There are the least bit sympathetic are Hermione and Neville, but even the former eventually grew into her body.
** Averted
some aversions later on in the books. Bill Weasley and Mad-Eye Moody are both solid heroes despite being grotesquely scarred, the portly Slughorn proves himself a fundamentally good person, and even Snape turns out to be an Anti-Hero.



* AlasPoorScrappy: When Colin Creevey gets petrified in Chamber Of Secrets, and [[spoiler:again when he's killed in the battle of Hogwarts]] in Deathly Hallows.

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* AlasPoorScrappy: When [[spoiler:When Colin Creevey gets petrified in Chamber Of Secrets, ''Chamber of Secrets'', and [[spoiler:again again when he's killed in the battle of Hogwarts]] Hogwarts in Deathly Hallows.''Deathly Hallows''.]]
8th May '18 11:16:04 AM StardustSoldier
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* StrangledByTheRedString: The films mainly due to their being {{Compressed Adaptation}}s, definitely lean towards the asphyxiatory side of things in regards to Harry and Ginny. The two barely interact, sharing the screen for about seven minutes combined in the last ''three movies''. In the [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix fifth book]], Ginny [[ShrinkingViolet being able to speak to Harry]] was a big deal; in the fifth movie, Creator/BonnieWright barely has any lines. Whenever they are on screen together, they barely talk, instead just sharing a kiss and an awkward look before Harry rushes off to do something and Ginny sits down to be irrelevant to the plot. Of course even before the film adaptations came there were complaints that the subplot regarding Harry and Ginny relied too much on telling and not enough on actually showing.
** It was also noted that Ron got a significantly decreased role from Order of the Phoenix all the way to The Deathly Hallows, while most of Harry and Hermione's scenes were kept in and they frequently acted like a bickering old married couple rather than the more surrogate-sibling relationship they had in the book. Admittedly the Ron-Hermione and Harry-Ginny pairings, which made more sense in the books, felt rather forced in the movies, more like it was just trying to stay faithful enough to its source material. Either if it was by accident or by design, it seemed like the movies' creative team was secretly sailing the Harry/Hermoine ship.

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* StrangledByTheRedString: StrangledByTheRedString:
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The films films, mainly due to their being {{Compressed Adaptation}}s, definitely lean towards the asphyxiatory side of things in regards to Harry and Ginny. The two barely interact, sharing the screen for about seven minutes combined in the last ''three movies''. In the [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix fifth book]], Ginny [[ShrinkingViolet being able to speak to Harry]] was a big deal; in the fifth movie, Creator/BonnieWright barely has any lines. Whenever they are on screen together, they barely talk, instead just sharing a kiss and an awkward look before Harry rushes off to do something and Ginny sits down to be irrelevant to the plot. Of course even before the film adaptations came came, there were complaints that the subplot regarding Harry and Ginny relied too much on telling and not enough on actually showing.
** It was also noted that Ron got a significantly decreased role from Order ''Order of the Phoenix Phoenix'' all the way to The Deathly Hallows, ''Deathly Hallows'', while most of Harry and Hermione's scenes were kept in and they frequently acted like a bickering old married couple rather than the more surrogate-sibling relationship they had in the book. Admittedly the Ron-Hermione and Harry-Ginny pairings, which made more sense in the books, felt rather forced in the movies, more like it was just trying to stay faithful enough to its source material. Either if it was by accident or by design, it seemed like the movies' creative team was secretly sailing the Harry/Hermoine ship.



** The film series' fanbase's opinion, especially if they preferred the first two films to the later films. See also ItsTheSameNowItSucks, above.
** A minor one that caused a metric ton of backlash was Hermione's dress for the Yule Ball. Blue in the book, pink in the film. Cue dozens of protests about it, including the film's IMDB page in an edit war over wearing pink counting as a PlotHole.
** However a subversion comes with Creator/ImeldaStaunton's portrayal of Umbridge. Far cuter than she is in the book, many fans felt that the dissonance between her sweet grandmotherly appearance and her evil deeds was perfect for the character.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Many fans feel this way about Ron in the later films. He receives less focus and many of his best moments from the books are either removed or given to Harry and Hermione.

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** The film series' fanbase's opinion, especially if they preferred the first two films to the later films. See also ItsTheSameNowItSucks, above.
** A minor one that caused a metric ton of backlash was Hermione's dress for the Yule Ball. Blue in the book, pink in the film. Cue dozens of protests about it, including the film's IMDB IMDb page in an edit war over wearing pink counting as a PlotHole.
** However a A subversion comes with Creator/ImeldaStaunton's portrayal of Umbridge. Far cuter than she is in the book, many fans felt that the dissonance between her sweet grandmotherly appearance and her evil deeds was perfect for the character.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
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Many fans feel this way about Ron in the later films. He receives less focus focus, and many of his best moments from the books are either removed or given to Harry and Hermione.



** Dobby is confined to two films-- ''Chamber of Secrets'' and ''Deathly Hallows Part 1'' -- wheras, in the books, he became a fairly major character starting in Goblet of Fire. His major contributions to the plot in books ''Goblet of Fire'' and ''Order of the Phoenix'' have Neville take on his role instead. This probably has something to do with the SPEW subplot being AdaptedOut.

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** Dobby is confined to two films-- films -- ''Chamber of Secrets'' and ''Deathly Hallows Part 1'' -- wheras, in the books, he became a fairly major character starting in Goblet of Fire. His major contributions to the plot in books ''Goblet of Fire'' and ''Order of the Phoenix'' have Neville take on his role instead. This probably has something to do with the SPEW subplot being AdaptedOut.
8th May '18 11:11:33 AM StardustSoldier
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Upon its release, ''Chamber of Secrets'' was almost universally praised for its darker tone, improved effects, and better performances by the child actors compared to the first film. As the later films got darker and improved on the other aspects, people began to see the film as more tame and repetitive of the first.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Upon its release, ''Chamber of Secrets'' was almost universally praised as an EvenBetterSequel for its darker tone, improved effects, and better performances by the child actors compared to the first film. As the later films got even darker and improved on the other aspects, people began to see the film ''Chamber of Secrets'' as more tame and repetitive of the first. first.
8th May '18 11:09:48 AM StardustSoldier
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** The movie of ''Deathly Hallows'' actually downplays a (possibly one-sided) gay relationship present in the book between Grindelwald and Dumbledore, rendering it no more than HoYay.

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** The Inverted in the movie of ''Deathly Hallows'' Hallows,'' which actually downplays a (possibly one-sided) gay relationship present in the book between Grindelwald and Dumbledore, rendering it no more than HoYay.Dumbledore.



** "Dobby never meant to kill! Only maim, or severely injure!" is quickly picking up steam.

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** "Dobby never meant to kill! Only maim, or severely injure!" is quickly picking has picked up steam.



** In less than a day, [[BigBad Voldemort's]] scream of "NYEAAHHHHH!" found in the trailer for Deathly Hallows Part 2, mainly because the exact same scream is repeated ''four'' times throughout the trailer, with the result that it becomes rather... amusing.

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** In less than a day, [[BigBad Voldemort's]] scream of "NYEAAHHHHH!" found in the trailer for Deathly ''Deathly Hallows Part 2, 2'', mainly because the exact same scream is repeated ''four'' times throughout the trailer, with the result that it becomes rather... amusing.



* NeverLiveItDown: Steve Kloves saying Hermione was his favourite character prompted the fans to blame him every time Hermione was given a line another character said (never mind that other characters get other people's lines as well).
** Also becaus of Hermione being his favorite character (which is what got him the job) Kloves tends to get a lot of blame from fans who dislike the films' version of Ron Weasley, or the alleged {{Flanderization}} effect it had on his characterization in the last three books, whether because they were shippers who felt that weakening Ron's characterization hurt the intended romantic subplot or because they simply didn't like seeing him depicted as little more than a stereotypical dumb, bumbling, cowardly sidekick devoid of any nuance. And while Kloves probably deserves some of the blame there were no less than four directors (across eight films), producers and J.K. Rowling herself who gave him and his scripts their seal of approval and who probably did more than their share of adding to this arguably less noble characterization of Ron. Even actor Rupert Grint himself could be said to be partially at fault for mumbling and whining his way through eight movies.

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* NeverLiveItDown: NeverLiveItDown:
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Steve Kloves saying Hermione was his favourite character prompted the fans to blame him every time Hermione was given a line another character said (never mind that other characters get other people's lines as well).
** Also becaus because of Hermione being his favorite character (which is what got him the job) Kloves tends to get a lot of blame from fans who dislike the films' version of Ron Weasley, or the alleged {{Flanderization}} effect it had on his characterization in the last three books, whether because they were shippers who felt that weakening Ron's characterization hurt the intended romantic subplot or because they simply didn't like seeing him depicted as little more than a stereotypical dumb, bumbling, cowardly sidekick devoid of any nuance. And while Kloves probably deserves some of the blame there were no less than four directors (across eight films), producers and J.K. Rowling herself who gave him and his scripts their seal of approval and who probably did more than their share of adding to this arguably less noble characterization of Ron. Even actor Rupert Grint himself could be said to be partially at fault for mumbling and whining his way through eight movies.
8th May '18 11:03:20 AM StardustSoldier
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: The film series' fanbase's opinion, especially if they prefer the later films to the first two. See also TheyChangedItNowItSucks, below.
8th May '18 11:01:47 AM StardustSoldier
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** The sixth film suddenly just got a lot less funny due to [[spoiler: Lavender Brown getting the DeathByAdaptation treatment]] in the last film.

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** The sixth film suddenly just got a lot gets less funny due to when you see [[spoiler: Lavender Brown getting the DeathByAdaptation treatment]] Brown's DeathByAdaptation]] in the last film.



*** Furthermore, Harry's incredibly handsome fangirl magnet of a rival is played by Edward Cullen's actor!
*** Yes. There is something very funny about the fact that Harry, in the book, muses that Cedric's good looks made him a much more suitable champion/fangirl magnet and Daniel Radcliff says the same thing about the actor in real life when asked which of the two would make a better IRL teenage heartthrob.

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*** ** Furthermore, Harry's incredibly handsome fangirl magnet of a rival is played by Edward Cullen's actor!
*** Yes.
actor! There is something very funny about the fact that Harry, in the book, muses that Cedric's good looks made him a much more suitable champion/fangirl magnet magnet, and Daniel Radcliff says the same thing about the actor in real life when asked which of the two would make a better IRL teenage heartthrob.
8th May '18 10:57:25 AM StardustSoldier
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** [[BritishTeeth Her teeth are really manky and disgusting]], though. Then again...
--->'''Creator/TomFelton:''' "[[NightmareFetishist ...Even with those teeth]], I'd still... you know."
** [[Creator/DavidTennant Barty Crouch Jr.]]
** Scabior.
** Lucius Malfoy.

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** [[BritishTeeth Her teeth are really manky and disgusting]], though. Then again...
--->'''Creator/TomFelton:''' "[[NightmareFetishist ...Even with those teeth]], I'd still... you know."
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%%** [[Creator/DavidTennant Barty Crouch Jr.]]
** %%** Scabior.
** %%** Lucius Malfoy.
8th May '18 10:55:47 AM StardustSoldier
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** In ''Half Blood Prince'', the Death Eaters destroying the Burrow. The kids just go back to school and the Burrow's just fine in the next movie.

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** In ''Half Blood Prince'', the Death Eaters destroying the Burrow. The kids just go back to school school, and the Burrow's just Burrow is completely fine in the next movie.



* ContinuityLockout: Because of time constraints, much of the backstory gets cut, leaving many viewers who haven't read the books scratching their heads: each individual movie is more or less comprehensible by itself, but when put into a movie continuity, certain things ''don't make sense''.

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* ContinuityLockout: Because of time constraints, much of the backstory gets cut, leaving many viewers who haven't read the books scratching their heads: each individual movie is more or less comprehensible by itself, but when put into a movie continuity, certain things ''don't don't make sense''.sense.



** ''[[Film/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows, Part One]]'' does not waste ''one second'' bringing people up to speed on who the characters are or what they're doing. Movie critics have not let this pass without comment.

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** ''[[Film/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows, ''Deathly Hallows Part One]]'' does not waste ''one second'' 1'' doesn't spend any time bringing people up to speed on who the characters are or what they're doing. Movie critics have not let this pass without comment.



* EnsembleDarkHorse: Quite a few characters not given much attention in the books suddenly become more popular once there's an actor playing them. One example? Yaxley, who in the books was just a named Death Eater. In ''Deathly Hallows Part 1'', he acts more like a well-dressed British gangster. It helps that he's played by the badass [[Literature/{{Trainspotting}} Peter]] [[Film/ChildrenOfMen Mullan]]. Also, his walking instead of running after the fleeing Trio in the Ministry made him a lot scarier!

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* EnsembleDarkHorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
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Quite a few characters not given much attention in the books suddenly become more popular once there's an actor playing them. One example? Yaxley, who in the books was just a named Death Eater. In ''Deathly Hallows Part 1'', he acts more like a well-dressed British gangster. It helps that he's played by the badass [[Literature/{{Trainspotting}} Peter]] [[Film/ChildrenOfMen Mullan]]. Also, his walking instead of running after the fleeing Trio in the Ministry made him a lot scarier!
1st May '18 4:57:05 PM 43110
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** [[Characters/HarryPotterLordVoldemort Lord Voldemort]]--born [[EvilCounterpart Tom Marvolo Riddle]]--is a textbook example of a sociopath, who [[EvilCannotComprehendGood refuses to accept love]]. Beginning the title character's suffering by murdering his parents and attempting to do the same to the infant Harry, Voldemort would go on to [[ANaziByAnyOtherName attempt two genocidal wars]] against wizards born to Muggles, Muggles themselves and anyone who dared support them, [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain viewing pure-blood wizards as superior]], despite [[BoomerangBigot being half-Muggle himself]]. Taking advantage of the soul splitting caused by the evil spell that can kill people, Voldemort murders seven people and implants pieces of his soul in various objects, to become immortal, uncaring toward the detrimental effect doing so has on his sanity. Throughout the years, Voldemort attempts to open the forbidden Chamber of Secrets as a teenager in the hopes the beast within would kill all Muggle-born witches and wizards; murders his own father and grandparents, framing his uncle for his crime; orders the death of the innocents Hogwarts student Cedric Diggory; murdered an entire family for the mother not being able to tell him where his target was; [[BadBoss murders any of his own followers who dare to bring him bad news]]; and murders [[spoiler:Severus Snape]] the second be believes doing so would grant him greater power. [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse Although born from a loveless, magically-induced union]], it was Voldemort's unyielding choice to pursue power and hurt anyone who got in his way that defined his monstrous nature.

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** [[Characters/HarryPotterLordVoldemort Lord Voldemort]]--born [[EvilCounterpart Tom Marvolo Riddle]]--is a textbook example of a sociopath, who [[EvilCannotComprehendGood refuses to accept love]]. Beginning the title character's suffering by murdering his parents and attempting to do the same to the infant Harry, Voldemort would go on to [[ANaziByAnyOtherName attempt two genocidal wars]] against wizards born to Muggles, Muggles themselves and anyone who dared support them, [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain viewing pure-blood wizards as superior]], despite [[BoomerangBigot being half-Muggle himself]]. Taking advantage of the soul splitting caused by the evil spell that can kill people, Voldemort murders seven people and implants pieces of his soul in various objects, to become immortal, uncaring toward the detrimental effect doing so has on his sanity. Throughout the years, Voldemort attempts to open the forbidden Chamber of Secrets as a teenager in the hopes the beast within would kill all Muggle-born witches and wizards; murders his own father and grandparents, framing his uncle for his crime; orders the death of the innocents innocent Hogwarts student Cedric Diggory; murdered an entire family for the mother not being able to tell him where his target was; [[BadBoss murders any of his own followers who dare to bring him bad news]]; and murders [[spoiler:Severus Snape]] the second be believes doing so would grant him greater power. [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse Although born from a loveless, magically-induced union]], it was Voldemort's unyielding choice to pursue power and hurt anyone who got in his way that defined his monstrous nature.
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