History YMMV / HarryPotter

10th Sep '17 11:32:22 AM JJHIL325
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*** To be fair, he does has a lot of issues with authority figures and by the fifth book has anger issues and possible PTSD from the sheer amount of crap in his life piling up.

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*** To be fair, he does has a lot of trust issues with authority figures and by the fifth book has anger issues and possible PTSD from the sheer amount of crap in his life piling up.
7th Sep '17 10:13:11 PM StardustSoldier
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** They also cut out Dumbledore's argument with Cornelius Fudge, which greatly foreshadowed the events of ''The Order of the Phoenix''.

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** They also cut out Dumbledore's argument with Cornelius Fudge, Fudge in the fourth film, which greatly foreshadowed the events of ''The Order of the Phoenix''.
7th Sep '17 10:08:56 PM StardustSoldier
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** Harry and Hermione's dancing in ''Deathly Hallows Part 1.'' Whether you find the scene [[{{Adorkable}} touching]] or hilarious, it still came out of nowhere.
*** To get a sense of how "out of nowhere" the scene is, a film textbook that evaluated and praised the scene says that the movie would be fine without it.
1st Sep '17 1:31:45 PM XFllo
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*** Aunt Marge and Umbridge could be seen as [[{{Expy}} expies]] of Margaret Thatcher, whom Rowling had a hatred for.

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*** ** Aunt Marge and Umbridge could be seen as [[{{Expy}} expies]] of inspired by Margaret Thatcher, whom Rowling had a hatred for.
29th Aug '17 4:54:57 AM Doug86
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** Similarly, the [[SoulEater Dementors]]' true nature is a divisive topic, though one of the "softer" cases inasmuch as it rarely causes full-blown FlameWar[=s=]. Are they undead, or a species of their own? And provided they are, are they just another sapient species that happens to be [[BadPowersGoodPerson saddled with "dark" powers]], or pure evil, or even not truly sapient at all?

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** Similarly, the [[SoulEater [[SoulEating Dementors]]' true nature is a divisive topic, though one of the "softer" cases inasmuch as it rarely causes full-blown FlameWar[=s=]. Are they undead, or a species of their own? And provided they are, are they just another sapient species that happens to be [[BadPowersGoodPerson saddled with "dark" powers]], or pure evil, or even not truly sapient at all?
28th Aug '17 9:48:07 PM PaulA
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* SacredCow: Woe to anyone so much as daring to criticize Harry Potter on aesthetic grounds. The likes of critic Harold Bloom who wrote a controversial article faced an online backlash for not liking the genre[[note]]Even if he has championed works of fantasy like ''A Voyage to Arcturus, Literature/{{Gormenghast}}, Aegypt; Little, Big'' and science-fiction writers like Creator/UrsulaKLeGuin[[/note]] while Creator/AlanMoore's mean-spirited satirical take in his ''ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen'' earned him backlash and dismissal as well.

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* SacredCow: Woe to anyone so much as daring to criticize Harry Potter on aesthetic grounds. The likes of critic Harold Bloom who wrote a controversial article faced an online backlash for not liking the genre[[note]]Even if he has championed works of fantasy like ''A Voyage to Arcturus, Literature/{{Gormenghast}}, Aegypt; Little, Big'' ''Literature/AVoyageToArcturus'', ''Literature/{{Gormenghast}}'', ''Literature/{{Aegypt}}'', ''Literature/LittleBig'' and science-fiction writers like Creator/UrsulaKLeGuin[[/note]] while Creator/AlanMoore's mean-spirited satirical take in his ''ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen'' earned him backlash and dismissal as well.
25th Aug '17 2:50:19 PM Savini24
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** Dobby started Chamber of Secrets as an gratingly overemotional obstacle for Harry returning to Hogwarts. Then he's given a sympathetic backstory in the middle of the book and saves Harry from Lucius Malfoy at the end. His more upbeat attitude and moments of helpfulness in the later books cemented him as a [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorite]][[spoiler:, making his HeroicSacrifice in the final book all the more heartbreaking.]]
23rd Aug '17 10:51:10 AM ScroogeMacDuck
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** Was Voldemort a born psychopath, who was not right in the head from the start? Or did he only [[StartOfDarkness turn evil because of his horrific upbringing]]? WordOfGod supports the latter, but that doesn't stop fans from talking…
23rd Aug '17 10:49:57 AM ScroogeMacDuck
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** Dumbledore: Is he truly a likable EccentricMentor (as shown in the early books), who was merely still human and made mistake? Or is he a self-righteous manipulator bordering on KnightTemplar?



* BrokenBase: Pretty much inevitable given how popular the books are. [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows The seventh book's]] famous/infamous epilogue is just one of example of something the fans can't agree on.

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* BrokenBase: Pretty much inevitable given how popular the books are. The "Shipping Wars" (mostly between shippers of Ron/Hermione and Harry/Hermione) are only one example of what the fans can't agree on. Excluding these and the aforementioned BaseBreakingCharacter[=s=], we can cite the following issues:
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[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows The seventh book's]] famous/infamous epilogue epilogue. The BabiesEverAfter ending is just sometimes felt to [[TastesLikeDiabetes be too sickly-sweet]] and even lazy, whereas others think it's a cute, hopeful look at the future.
** Are snakes sapient? The fact that you can talk to them through Parseltongue suggests it, but others think the idea is simply too strange and prefer to think the magic of Parseltongue itself temporarily heightents the creatures' intelligence.
** Similarly, the [[SoulEater Dementors]]' true nature is a divisive topic, though
one of example of something the fans can't agree on."softer" cases inasmuch as it rarely causes full-blown FlameWar[=s=]. Are they undead, or a species of their own? And provided they are, are they just another sapient species that happens to be [[BadPowersGoodPerson saddled with "dark" powers]], or pure evil, or even not truly sapient at all?
** The true nature of Dark Magic is long-standing subject of argument in the fandom. Is it truly a different type of magic that is intrisically different, or simply a semantic denomination for any "harmful" magic that may otherwise be from other branches of magic? If the former is true, then could it be that DarkIsNotEvil and some of the Dark spells could be used for good?
** On a related topic, the protagonists' [[ThouShaltNotKill absolute taboo against killing their opponents on purpose]] in the canon books is looked down upon by some fanfiction writers who think it is a naive, childish outlook on the world, and that the war couldn't realistically be wrong if the heroes didn't actually try to mow down the ranks of the enemy rather than simply defending themselves and capturing them whenever possible. However, others share Rowling's morals and think [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim becoming cold-blooded murderers, even in state of war, would mean the heroes were going evil themselves]].
** The whole {{Fanon}} concept of "magical cores". ''Are'' there inherent magical power levels in canon, or is it just a matter of skill, so that anyone could achieve Dumbledore or Voldemort's level if they worked hard enough?
** Was Hermione's S.P.E.W. an ill-conceived, but conceptually right attempt at freeing long-abused slaves, which only goes wrong because the Elves, having been born slaves, tragically don't ''want'' the freedom they deserve? Or is it an instance of Hermione trying to force her own muggle values on a different world, and failing to understand that while they shouldn't be mistreated, it is House-Elves' nature to be obedient servants?
13th Aug '17 12:52:07 AM jormis29
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** Dolores Umbridge is a more backhanded example. She's universally despised by the Hogwarts community and by the fanbase alike, but many fans (including Creator/StephenKing) hold that she's one of Rowling's finest creations precisely ''because'' of how exquisitely loathsome she is. This LoveToHate appeal carried directly through to the films courtesy of Imelda Staunton's portrayal. Most fans will admit to hating her more than Voldemort.

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** Dolores Umbridge is a more backhanded example. She's universally despised by the Hogwarts community and by the fanbase alike, but many fans (including Creator/StephenKing) hold that she's one of Rowling's finest creations precisely ''because'' of how exquisitely loathsome she is. This LoveToHate appeal carried directly through to the films courtesy of Imelda Staunton's Creator/ImeldaStaunton's portrayal. Most fans will admit to hating her more than Voldemort.



** However a subversion comes with Imelda Staunton's portrayal of Umbridge. Far cuter than she is in the book, many fans felt that the dissonance between her sweet grandmotherly appearance and her evil deeds was perfect for the character.

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** However a subversion comes with Imelda Staunton's Creator/ImeldaStaunton's portrayal of Umbridge. Far cuter than she is in the book, many fans felt that the dissonance between her sweet grandmotherly appearance and her evil deeds was perfect for the character.
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