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** The meme that Gotham is a Batman show without Batman, coupled with the suggestion that without Batman there is little to distinguish it from a thousand other crime dramas.
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* The fact that unlike the other two shows DC is releasing in 2014 (''Flash'' and ''Constantine''), which had comedic moments in them, ''Gotham'' is much more straight faced. Some are worried that the show will become too dark and/or boring because of this.
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* {{Narm}}: Young Bruce's scream in the trailer. It is a realistic sounding yell--but the screaming of a small child doesn't always lend itself well to drama.
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* {{Narm}}: Young Bruce's scream in the trailer. It is a realistic sounding yell--but the screaming of a small child doesn't always lend itself well to drama.
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben [=McKenzie=] being cast as Jim Gordon. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordon, especially since he doesn't have Gordon's signature glasses and/or mustache (yet).
** Though his appearance is justified considering young Gordon in the comics almost never has a mustache before getting older, and some have found that [=McKenzie=] looks an awful lot like [[LAConfidential Bud White.]] And some find this [[CrazyAwesome most excellent.]]
** Though his appearance is justified considering young Gordon in the comics almost never has a mustache before getting older, and some have found that [=McKenzie=] looks an awful lot like [[LAConfidential Bud White.]] And some find this [[CrazyAwesome most excellent.]]
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben [=McKenzie=] being cast as Jim Gordon. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordon, especially since he doesn't have Gordon's signature glasses and/or mustache (yet).
** Though his appearance is justified considering young Gordon in the comics almost never has a mustache before getting older, and some have found that [=McKenzie=] looks an awful lot like [[LAConfidential Bud White.]] And some find this [[CrazyAwesome most excellent.]](yet).
** Though his appearance is justified considering young Gordon in the comics almost never has a mustache before getting older, and some have found that [=McKenzie=] looks an awful lot like [[LAConfidential Bud White.]] And some find this [[CrazyAwesome most excellent.]]
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben [=McKenzie=] being cast as Jim Gordon. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordon, especially since he doesn't have Gordon's signature glasses and/or mustache (yet).
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben [=McKenzie=] being cast as Jim Gordon. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordon, especially since he doesn't have Gordon's signature glasses and/or mustache (yet).(yet).
** Though his appearance is justified considering young Gordon in the comics almost never has a mustache before getting older, and some have found that [=McKenzie=] looks an awful lot like [[LAConfidential Bud White.]] And some find this [[CrazyAwesome most excellent.]]
** Though his appearance is justified considering young Gordon in the comics almost never has a mustache before getting older, and some have found that [=McKenzie=] looks an awful lot like [[LAConfidential Bud White.]] And some find this [[CrazyAwesome most excellent.]]
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* FanDumb: The same complaints about Ben [=McKenzie=] as a young Gordon, as cited below. [[SarcasmMode Because young Jim Gordon was never portrayed without glasses and a mustache, right?]]
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** The fact that Poison Ivy's real name has been changed from Pamela Isely to [[http://io9.com/new-gotham-posters-are-great-except-for-poison-ivys-ter-1595935575 Ivy Pepper]]. {{Lackadaisy}} fans are particularly [[http://lackadaisycats.tumblr.com/post/89891043463/new-gotham-posters-are-great-except-for-poison-ivys outraged]], since one of the webcomic's major characters happens to have the very same name.
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** The fact that Poison Ivy's real name has been changed from Pamela Isely Isley to [[http://io9.com/new-gotham-posters-are-great-except-for-poison-ivys-ter-1595935575 Ivy Pepper]]. {{Lackadaisy}} fans are particularly [[http://lackadaisycats.tumblr.com/post/89891043463/new-gotham-posters-are-great-except-for-poison-ivys outraged]], since one of the webcomic's major characters happens to have the very same name.
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** The fact that Poison Ivy's real name has been changed from Pamela Isely to [[http://io9.com/new-gotham-posters-are-great-except-for-poison-ivys-ter-1595935575 Ivy Pepper]]. {{Lackadaisy}} fans are particularly [[http://lackadaisycats.tumblr.com/post/89891043463/new-gotham-posters-are-great-except-for-poison-ivys outraged]], since one of the webcomic's major characters happens to have the very same name.
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* CounterpartComparison: Not long after the show was even a thing, DC fans have adopted the stance of calling this show ''Series/{{Smallville}}: ''Gotham Edition''
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* CounterpartComparison: Not long after the show was even a thing, DC fans have adopted the stance of calling this show ''Series/{{Smallville}}: ''Gotham Edition''Gotham Edition''.
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* TaintedByThePreview: As mentioned above, some fans loathe the series before it even begins because it seems like a ''Series/{{Smallville}} ripoff done by [[HateSink Fox.]] However...
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* TaintedByThePreview: As mentioned above, some fans loathe the series before it even begins because it seems like a ''Series/{{Smallville}} ''Series/{{Smallville}}'' ripoff done by [[HateSink Fox.]] However...
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** That this show isn't an adaption of ComicBook/GothamCentral instead.
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** The fact that this is '''another''' Batman-based media has not gone over well with DC fans, many of whom wish that DC would start building up the rest of its impressive stable of heroes into franchises instead of continually going back to the Superman/Batman well.
* CounterpartComparison: Not long after the show was even a thing, DC fans have adopted the stance of calling this show ''Series/{{Smallville}} : ''Gotham Edition''
* CounterpartComparison: Not long after the show was even a thing, DC fans have adopted the stance of calling this show ''Series/{{Smallville}} : ''Gotham Edition''
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** The fact that this is '''another''' Batman-based media show has not gone over well with DC fans, many of whom wish that DC would start building up the rest of its impressive stable of heroes into franchises instead of continually going back to the Superman/Batman well.
* CounterpartComparison: Not long after the show was even a thing, DC fans have adopted the stance of calling this show''Series/{{Smallville}} : ''Series/{{Smallville}}: ''Gotham Edition''
* CounterpartComparison: Not long after the show was even a thing, DC fans have adopted the stance of calling this show
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben [=McKenzie=] being cast as Jim Gordon. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordon, especially since he doesn't have Gordon's signature glasses and/or mustache.
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben [=McKenzie=] being cast as Jim Gordon. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordon, especially since he doesn't have Gordon's signature glasses and/or mustache.mustache (yet).
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It says quite clearly on the page for And The Fandom Rejoiced not to link to it. It is for in-universe examples and links from the beginning of related trope pages only.
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** ...other fans have had the [[AndTheFandomRejoiced exact opposite reaction.]] The first live action appearance of Harvey Bullock has been met with near universal acclaim, and just as many fans support the controversial actors as despise them.
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** ...other fans have had the [[AndTheFandomRejoiced exact opposite reaction.]] reaction. The first live action appearance of Harvey Bullock has been met with near universal acclaim, and just as many fans support the controversial actors as despise them.
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* FanDumb: The same complaints about Ben McKenzie as a young Gordon, as cited below. [[SarcasmMode Because young Jim Gordon was never protrayed without glasses and a mustache, right?]]
* MoneyShot: Bruce's skyward scream in the trailer.
* MoneyShot: Bruce's skyward scream in the trailer.
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* FanDumb: The same complaints about Ben McKenzie [=McKenzie=] as a young Gordon, as cited below. [[SarcasmMode Because young Jim Gordon was never protrayed portrayed without glasses and a mustache, right?]]
*MoneyShot: MoneyMakingShot: Bruce's skyward scream in the trailer.
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* WinTheCrowd: ...other fans have had the [[AndTheFandomRejoiced exact opposite reation.]] The first live action appearance of Harvey Bullock has been met with near universal acclaim, and just as many fans support the controversial actors as despise them.
** Special note goes to the trailer for getting the show some postitive buzz in spite of the complaints.
** Special note goes to the trailer for getting the show some postitive buzz in spite of the complaints.
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* WinTheCrowd: ...WinTheCrowd:
** ...other fans have had the [[AndTheFandomRejoiced exact oppositereation.reaction.]] The first live action appearance of Harvey Bullock has been met with near universal acclaim, and just as many fans support the controversial actors as despise them.
** Special note goes to the trailer for getting the show somepostitive positive buzz in spite of the complaints.
** ...other fans have had the [[AndTheFandomRejoiced exact opposite
** Special note goes to the trailer for getting the show some
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* FanDumb: The same complaints about Ben McKenzie as a young Gordon, as cited below. [[SarcasmMode: Because young Jim Gordon was never protrayed without glasses and a mustache, right?]]
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* FanDumb: The same complaints about Ben McKenzie as a young Gordon, as cited below. [[SarcasmMode: [[SarcasmMode Because young Jim Gordon was never protrayed without glasses and a mustache, right?]]
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* FanDumb: The same complaints about Ben McKenzie as a young Gordon, as cited below. [[SarcasmMode: Because young Jim Gordon was never protrayed without glasses and a mustache, right?]]
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* TaintedByThePreview: As mentioned above, some fans loathe the series before it even begins because it seems like a ''Series/{{Smallville}} ripoff done by [[HateSink Fox.]] However...
* WinTheCrowd: ...other fans have had the [[AndTheFandomRejoiced exact opposite reation.]] The first live action appearance of Harvey Bullock has been met with near universal acclaim, and just as many fans support the controversial actors as despise them.
** Special note goes to the trailer for getting the show some postitive buzz in spite of the complaints.
* WinTheCrowd: ...other fans have had the [[AndTheFandomRejoiced exact opposite reation.]] The first live action appearance of Harvey Bullock has been met with near universal acclaim, and just as many fans support the controversial actors as despise them.
** Special note goes to the trailer for getting the show some postitive buzz in spite of the complaints.
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** The fact that this is '''another''' Batman-based media has not gone over well with DC fans.
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** The fact that this is '''another''' Batman-based media has not gone over well with DC fans.fans, many of whom wish that DC would start building up the rest of its impressive stable of heroes into franchises instead of continually going back to the Superman/Batman well.
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben [=McKenzie=] being cast as Jim Gordon. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordon, especially since he doesn't have Gordon's signature mustache.
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben [=McKenzie=] being cast as Jim Gordon. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordon, especially since he doesn't have Gordon's signature glasses and/or mustache.
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** That Jim Gordan is a young newbie detective instead of being...well, TheCommissionerGordon.
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** That Jim Gordan Gordon is a young newbie detective instead of being...well, TheCommissionerGordon.
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben [=McKenzie=] being cast as Jim Gordon. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordon.
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben [=McKenzie=] being cast as Jim Gordon. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordon.Gordon, especially since he doesn't have Gordon's signature mustache.
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** The fact that this is '''another''' Batman-based media has not gone over well with DC fans.
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*** Though the Joker is probably the one most complained about. He's already mentioned as being one of the show's characters, and the fanbase is in general used to him having an extremely mysterious past.
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** Though some feel he looks perfect for a young veteran of the army, and that the mustache and glasses will be gradually added as the character GrowsTheBeard.
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben [=McKenzie=] being cast as Jim Gordan. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordan.
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben [=McKenzie=] being cast as Jim Gordan. Gordon. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordan.Gordon.
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** That Jim Gordan is a young newbie dective instead of being...well, TheCommissionerGordon.
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** That Jim Gordan is a young newbie dective detective instead of being...well, TheCommissionerGordon.
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*** Though the Joker is probably the one most complained about. He's already mentioned as being one of the show's characters, and the fnabase is in general used to him having an extremely mysterious past.
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*** Though the Joker is probably the one most complained about. He's already mentioned as being one of the show's characters, and the fnabase fanbase is in general used to him having an extremely mysterious past.
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben [=McKenzie=] being casted cast as Jim Gordan. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordan.
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben McKenzie being casted as Jim Gordan. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordan.
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben McKenzie [=McKenzie=] being casted as Jim Gordan. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordan.
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*** Though the Joker is probably the one most complained about. He's already mentioned as being one of the show's characters, and the fnabase is in general used to him having an extremely mysterious past.
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* MoneyShot: Bruce's skyward scream in the trailer.
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** Related to the reason above, the show's decision to include kid versions of other Bat villains like Catwoman and Poison Ivy hasn't one over well.
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** Related to the reason above, the show's decision to include kid versions of other Bat villains like Catwoman and Poison Ivy hasn't one gone over well.
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben McKenzie being casted as Jim Gordan. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordan.
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* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben McKenzie being casted as Jim Gordan. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordan.Gordan.
** Though some feel he looks perfect for a young veteran of the army, and that the mustache and glasses will be gradually added as the character GrowsTheBeard.
** Though some feel he looks perfect for a young veteran of the army, and that the mustache and glasses will be gradually added as the character GrowsTheBeard.
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** That Jim Gordan is a young newbie dective instead of being...well, TheCommissionerGordan.
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* BrokenBase: There are a few things that divide people over this show.
** That this show isn't an adaption of ComicBook/GothamCentral instead.
** That Jim Gordan is a young newbie dective instead of being...well, TheCommissionerGordan.
** That the show is even going to feature a young Bruce Wayne at all, much less do so with him as a prominent cast member.
** Related to the reason above, the show's decision to include kid versions of other Bat villains like Catwoman and Poison Ivy hasn't one over well.
* CounterpartComparison: Not long after the show was even a thing, DC fans have adopted the stance of calling this show ''Series/{{Smallville}} : ''Gotham Edition''
* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben McKenzie being casted as Jim Gordan. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordan.
** That this show isn't an adaption of ComicBook/GothamCentral instead.
** That Jim Gordan is a young newbie dective instead of being...well, TheCommissionerGordan.
** That the show is even going to feature a young Bruce Wayne at all, much less do so with him as a prominent cast member.
** Related to the reason above, the show's decision to include kid versions of other Bat villains like Catwoman and Poison Ivy hasn't one over well.
* CounterpartComparison: Not long after the show was even a thing, DC fans have adopted the stance of calling this show ''Series/{{Smallville}} : ''Gotham Edition''
* WTHCastingAgency: The reaction to Ben McKenzie being casted as Jim Gordan. Many people feel he doesn't quite make the look of a younger Gordan.