History YMMV / Gor

24th Oct '17 3:38:14 PM Eagal
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** [[http://books.adultfanfiction.net/story.php?no=544176437 Gay, Bejeweled, Nazi Bikers of Gor.]]
24th Oct '17 3:37:31 PM Eagal
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* MarySuetopia: The trope could be named "Lands of Gor" instead.

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* MarySuetopia: The trope could be named "Lands of Gor" instead.%%* MarySuetopia



* TheScrappy: WATNEY!

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* %%* TheScrappy: WATNEY!
24th Oct '17 3:36:44 PM Eagal
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Women are nasty, bitchy feminists when given any respect whatsoever. Only when raped and forced into slavery can they become loving, gentle and kind.
** There are several cases in the books where a woman is raped, bound, stripped, or otherwise undergoes some sort of sex-related humiliation. [[RapePortrayedAsRedemption This invariably makes her more gentle, more feminine, and overall more pleasant to be around.]] To hammer the point home, she's often shown as being ''happier'' once she's been properly raped and put in her place.
** [[CreatorInJoke This may be based on the traditional portrayal of Black slaves vs. White upper class females in the Old South]], given how the book series started in the politically-turbulent [[TheSixties 1960s]]. [[http://www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/experience/gender/history2.html The traditional view was Black women were either sexually promiscuous]], [[http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2956.html or sexually exploited by owners and overseers]], or both, [[http://www.studentpulse.com/articles/747/sexual-relations-between-elite-white-women-and-enslaved-men-in-the-antebellum-south-a-socio-historical-analysis while the White elite had to maintain proper standards in their personal life]], avenging their frustrations and jealousy on helpless slaves.
*** Considering that the lives of free women of Gor are EVEN WORSE then that of slave girls, as they have to wear uncomfortable clothing at all times, never go anywhere without a armed escort, if they show any kind of evidence of feeling desire they are told that they are "acting like slaves" and are subject to being enslaved at anytime should any man find them attractive, I would say that idea makes absolutely no sense. The lives of women in the South was not bad, and not all that restricted. they could and would have affairs( just not with slaves) read books, climb treees, teach school, and do all kinds of fun and intellectually rewarding things. Of course, it could still be true.
* FridgeLogic We are told that the majority of women are free, That on ly 3percent of women are slaves. Meaning that they would be about as rare as a left handed gay person with red hair. Meanikng most people would never have even MET ONE. Yet we run into huge cast of slavegirls. We are told that there are streets and streets of Paga Taverns, each equipped with dozens, to hundreds of slave girls. There are female slaves running on errands in every city. There are bazars full of slavegirls, and independent caravans of slavegirls. This is completely in compatible. The fact is that while we are TOLD that there are lots of free women on Gor, we are shown that at least half the women onGor are slaves. There would be no way that everyone would know aboput colars, and positions or anything else if slavegirls were as rare as 3 percent of the population. thjey would basically be non existant as far as most people knew.

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Women are nasty, bitchy feminists when given any respect whatsoever. Only when raped and forced into slavery can they become loving, gentle and kind.
** There are several cases in the books where a woman is raped, bound, stripped, or otherwise undergoes some sort of sex-related humiliation. [[RapePortrayedAsRedemption This invariably makes her more gentle, more feminine, and overall more pleasant to be around.]] To hammer the point home, she's often shown as being ''happier'' once she's been properly raped and put in her place.
** [[CreatorInJoke This may be based on the traditional portrayal of Black slaves vs. White upper class females in the Old South]], given how the book series started in the politically-turbulent [[TheSixties 1960s]]. [[http://www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/experience/gender/history2.html The traditional view was Black women were either sexually promiscuous]], [[http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2956.html or sexually exploited by owners and overseers]], or both, [[http://www.studentpulse.com/articles/747/sexual-relations-between-elite-white-women-and-enslaved-men-in-the-antebellum-south-a-socio-historical-analysis while the White elite had to maintain proper standards in their personal life]], avenging their frustrations and jealousy on helpless slaves.
*** Considering that the lives of free women of Gor are EVEN WORSE then that of slave girls, as they have to wear uncomfortable clothing at all times, never go anywhere without a armed escort, if they show any kind of evidence of feeling desire they are told that they are "acting like slaves" and are subject to being enslaved at anytime should any man find them attractive, I would say that idea makes absolutely no sense. The lives of women in the South was not bad, and not all that restricted. they could and would have affairs( just not with slaves) read books, climb treees, teach school, and do all kinds of fun and intellectually rewarding things. Of course, it could still be true.
* FridgeLogic
FridgeLogic: We are told that the majority of women are free, That on ly 3percent free and that only 3% of women are slaves. Meaning This would mean that they would be about as rare as a left handed gay person with red hair. Meanikng hair, meaning most people would never have even MET ONE.met one. Yet we run into huge cast of slavegirls. We are told that there are streets and streets of Paga Taverns, each equipped with dozens, to hundreds of slave girls. There girls, there are female slaves running on errands in every city. There city, there are bazars bazaars full of slavegirls, and independent caravans of slavegirls. This is completely in compatible. incompatible. The fact is that while we are TOLD that there are lots of free women on Gor, we are shown that at least half the women onGor on Gor are slaves. There would be no way that everyone would know aboput colars, about collars, and positions or anything else if slavegirls were as rare as 3 percent of the population. thjey They would basically be non existant non-existent as far as most people knew.
20th Oct '17 6:53:47 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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*** Considering that the lives of free women of Gor is EVEN WORSE then that of slave girls, as they have to wear uncomfortable clothing at all times, never go anywhere without a armed escort, if they show any kind of evidence of feeling desire they are told that they are "acting like slaves" and are subject to being enslaved at anytime should any man find them attractive, I would say that idea makes absolutely no sense. The lives of women in the South was not bad, and not all that restricted. they could and would have affairs( just not with slaves) read books, climb treees, teach school, and do all kinds of fun and intellectually rewarding things. Of course, it could still be true.

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*** Considering that the lives of free women of Gor is are EVEN WORSE then that of slave girls, as they have to wear uncomfortable clothing at all times, never go anywhere without a armed escort, if they show any kind of evidence of feeling desire they are told that they are "acting like slaves" and are subject to being enslaved at anytime should any man find them attractive, I would say that idea makes absolutely no sense. The lives of women in the South was not bad, and not all that restricted. they could and would have affairs( just not with slaves) read books, climb treees, teach school, and do all kinds of fun and intellectually rewarding things. Of course, it could still be true.
12th Sep '17 5:09:10 AM FretfulKennel
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*** Considering that the lives of free women of Gor is EVEN WORSE then that of slave girls, as they have to wear uncomfortable clothing at all times, never go anywhere without a armed escort, if they show any kind of evidence of feeling desire they are told that they are "acting like slaves" and are subject to being enslaved at anytime should any man find them attractive, I would say that idea makes absolutely no sense. Of course, it could still be true.

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*** Considering that the lives of free women of Gor is EVEN WORSE then that of slave girls, as they have to wear uncomfortable clothing at all times, never go anywhere without a armed escort, if they show any kind of evidence of feeling desire they are told that they are "acting like slaves" and are subject to being enslaved at anytime should any man find them attractive, I would say that idea makes absolutely no sense. The lives of women in the South was not bad, and not all that restricted. they could and would have affairs( just not with slaves) read books, climb treees, teach school, and do all kinds of fun and intellectually rewarding things. Of course, it could still be true.
12th Sep '17 5:05:44 AM FretfulKennel
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** Watney is SUPPOSED to be the scrappy. Its the writer's way of showing us how stupid and silyy men who do not want to do micate women are.



** If you can't figure out that Watyney is supposed to basically be "Earth men" in general, then you are not reading the books very carefully. In Norman's eyes Watney is all men who actually don't want women licking their boots.
12th Sep '17 5:04:09 AM FretfulKennel
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** Watney is SUPPOSED to be the scrappy. Its the writer's way of showing us how stupid and silyy men who do not want to do micate women are.


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** If you can't figure out that Watyney is supposed to basically be "Earth men" in general, then you are not reading the books very carefully. In Norman's eyes Watney is all men who actually don't want women licking their boots.
12th Sep '17 4:54:41 AM FretfulKennel
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* FridgeLogic We are told that the majority of women are free, but we seldom encounter any in the series, and everyone we do encounter is enslaved by the end of the novel. Also, we run into huge cast of slavegirls. We are told that there are streets and streets of Paga Taverns, each equipped with dozens, to hundreds of slave girls. There are female slaves running on errands in every city. There are bazars full of slavegirls, and independent caravans of slavegirls. Also, wre are told that in most ways free women are less free then slaves, because if they exhibit any kind of sexual desire, they are considered natural slaves, and enslaved. If they do the "slave dance" or in other words orgasm, they are considered natural slaves and enslaved. If they slip up and show their face under the veil they are considered to do it on purpose, and are enslaved. If any warrior wants to capture them, they are enslaved. If any city looses a war, all the women are enslaved. So, how can this add up to the majority of women being free? And considering that to be "free" a woman has to hide her face and stay at home in fear of being enslaved, how free is free?

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* FridgeLogic We are told that the majority of women are free, but we seldom encounter any in the series, and everyone we do encounter is enslaved by the end That on ly 3percent of the novel. Also, women are slaves. Meaning that they would be about as rare as a left handed gay person with red hair. Meanikng most people would never have even MET ONE. Yet we run into huge cast of slavegirls. We are told that there are streets and streets of Paga Taverns, each equipped with dozens, to hundreds of slave girls. There are female slaves running on errands in every city. There are bazars full of slavegirls, and independent caravans of slavegirls. Also, wre are told This is completely in compatible. The fact is that in most ways while we are TOLD that there are lots of free women on Gor, we are less free then slaves, because if they exhibit any kind of sexual desire, they are considered natural slaves, and enslaved. If they do the "slave dance" or in other words orgasm, they are considered natural slaves and enslaved. If they slip up and show their face under the veil they are considered to do it on purpose, and are enslaved. If any warrior wants to capture them, they are enslaved. If any city looses a war, all shown that at least half the women onGor are enslaved. So, how can this add up to the majority of women being free? And considering slaves. There would be no way that to be "free" a woman has to hide her face everyone would know aboput colars, and stay at home in fear positions or anything else if slavegirls were as rare as 3 percent of being enslaved, how free is free?the population. thjey would basically be non existant as far as most people knew.
1st Sep '17 9:04:05 PM Angeldeb82
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** There are several cases in the books where a woman is raped, bound, stripped, or otherwise undergoes some sort of sex-related humiliation. [[RapePortrayedAsRedemption This invariably makes her more gentle, more feminine, and overall more pleasant to be around]]. To hammer the point home, she's often shown as being ''happier'' once she's been properly raped and put in her place.

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** There are several cases in the books where a woman is raped, bound, stripped, or otherwise undergoes some sort of sex-related humiliation. [[RapePortrayedAsRedemption This invariably makes her more gentle, more feminine, and overall more pleasant to be around]]. around.]] To hammer the point home, she's often shown as being ''happier'' once she's been properly raped and put in her place.



*** Considering that the lives of free women of Gor is EVEN WORSE then that of slave girls, as they have to wear uncomfortable clothing at all times, never go anywhere without a armed escort, if they show any kind of evidennce of feeling desire they are told that they are "acting like slaves" and are subject to being enslaved at anytime should any man find them attractive, I would say that idea makes absolutely no sense. Of course, it could still be true.

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*** Considering that the lives of free women of Gor is EVEN WORSE then that of slave girls, as they have to wear uncomfortable clothing at all times, never go anywhere without a armed escort, if they show any kind of evidennce evidence of feeling desire they are told that they are "acting like slaves" and are subject to being enslaved at anytime should any man find them attractive, I would say that idea makes absolutely no sense. Of course, it could still be true.



* HoYayShipping: Some readers find men embracing men automatically homosexual, so they get a lot out of the books.

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* HoYayShipping: HoYay: Some readers find men embracing men automatically homosexual, so they get a lot out of the books.



* MartyStu: Tarl is one of the most obvious ones ever.
* MarySueTopia: The trope could be named "Lands of Gor" instead.
* SnarkBait: One of the main reactions by most to the ideals behind the series, followed closely by horror and/or hatred, [[BerserkButton and considering the premise of the series...]]

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* MartyStu: Tarl is one of the most obvious ones ever.
* MarySueTopia:
MarySuetopia: The trope could be named "Lands of Gor" instead.
* SnarkBait: One of the main reactions by most to the ideals behind the series, followed closely by horror and/or hatred, [[BerserkButton and considering the premise of the series...]]series]]...



** [[http://books.adultfanfiction.net/story.php?no=544176437 Gay, Bejeweled, Nazi Bikers of Gor]].

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** [[http://books.adultfanfiction.net/story.php?no=544176437 Gay, Bejeweled, Nazi Bikers of Gor]].Gor.]]
11th Aug '17 6:24:30 AM FretfulKennel
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*** Considering that the lives of free women of Gor is EVEN WORSE then that of slave girls, as they have to wear uncomfortable clothing at all times, never go anywhere without a armed escort, if they show any kind of evidennce of feeling desire they are told that they are "acting like slaves" and are subject to being enslaved at anytime should any man find them attractive, I would say that idea makes absolutely no sense. Of course, it could still be true.
* FridgeLogic We are told that the majority of women are free, but we seldom encounter any in the series, and everyone we do encounter is enslaved by the end of the novel. Also, we run into huge cast of slavegirls. We are told that there are streets and streets of Paga Taverns, each equipped with dozens, to hundreds of slave girls. There are female slaves running on errands in every city. There are bazars full of slavegirls, and independent caravans of slavegirls. Also, wre are told that in most ways free women are less free then slaves, because if they exhibit any kind of sexual desire, they are considered natural slaves, and enslaved. If they do the "slave dance" or in other words orgasm, they are considered natural slaves and enslaved. If they slip up and show their face under the veil they are considered to do it on purpose, and are enslaved. If any warrior wants to capture them, they are enslaved. If any city looses a war, all the women are enslaved. So, how can this add up to the majority of women being free? And considering that to be "free" a woman has to hide her face and stay at home in fear of being enslaved, how free is free?




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** Then again the values dissonanace between the message in the novels, and human society, where we insist that all humans deserve human rights.
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