History YMMV / Gor

11th Aug '17 6:24:30 AM FretfulKennel
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*** Considering that the lives of free women of Gor is EVEN WORSE then that of slave girls, as they have to wear uncomfortable clothing at all times, never go anywhere without a armed escort, if they show any kind of evidennce of feeling desire they are told that they are "acting like slaves" and are subject to being enslaved at anytime should any man find them attractive, I would say that idea makes absolutely no sense. Of course, it could still be true.
* FridgeLogic We are told that the majority of women are free, but we seldom encounter any in the series, and everyone we do encounter is enslaved by the end of the novel. Also, we run into huge cast of slavegirls. We are told that there are streets and streets of Paga Taverns, each equipped with dozens, to hundreds of slave girls. There are female slaves running on errands in every city. There are bazars full of slavegirls, and independent caravans of slavegirls. Also, wre are told that in most ways free women are less free then slaves, because if they exhibit any kind of sexual desire, they are considered natural slaves, and enslaved. If they do the "slave dance" or in other words orgasm, they are considered natural slaves and enslaved. If they slip up and show their face under the veil they are considered to do it on purpose, and are enslaved. If any warrior wants to capture them, they are enslaved. If any city looses a war, all the women are enslaved. So, how can this add up to the majority of women being free? And considering that to be "free" a woman has to hide her face and stay at home in fear of being enslaved, how free is free?




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** Then again the values dissonanace between the message in the novels, and human society, where we insist that all humans deserve human rights.
28th Apr '17 7:46:39 AM fruitstripegum
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* FridgeHorror: Some points about the slave girls:
** We never see an old slave girl. They supposedly have anti-aging treatments that prolong human life for centuries if not indefinitely. So, their looks might not fade for a long time. Of course, they're instead stuck in a life where they're used as human sex toys for multiple human lifetimes with little chance for freedom and the ever present fear of death by capricious jerks and likely conditioned to enjoy that sort of life, which is probably even more horrifying.
** Curiosity and emotional control are stamped out of slaves, and they're also forcibly given birth control. So in essence, being a slavegirl is a form of physical and mental CreativeSterility.
*** Against all of this, there is the Gorean concept that when the right master and slave girl end up together, they will both be fully satisfied with the relationship - and have many centuries to enjoy it. This is the denouement of ''Captive of Gor'', ''Slave Girl of Gor'', and the other girl-protagonist stories, and a number of other master/slave relationships seem to be heading that way in other books too. Essentially, true can only be found by putting the right master with the right brainwashed sex-slave, [[SarcasmMode who's clearly in a position to decide what she finds "fulfilling."]]
** A meta example, but many people are disturbed to learn that John Norman's day job is as an ethics professor.
11th Jan '17 1:20:02 PM Fireblood
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** [[CreatorInJoke This may be based on traditional portrayal of Black slaves vs. White upper class females in the Old South]], given how the book series started in politically-turbulent [[TheSixties 1960s]]. [[http://www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/experience/gender/history2.html Traditional view was Black women were either sexually promiscuous]], [[http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2956.html or sexually exploited by owners and overseers]], or both, [[http://www.studentpulse.com/articles/747/sexual-relations-between-elite-white-women-and-enslaved-men-in-the-antebellum-south-a-socio-historical-analysis while the White elite had to maintain proper standards in their personal life]], avenging their frustrations and jealousy on helpless slaves.
* FridgeHorror: Some points about the slavegirls:
** We never see an old slavegirl. They supposedly have anti-aging treatments that prolong human life for centuries if not indefinitely. So, their looks might not fade for a long time. Of course, they're instead stuck in a life where they're used as human sex toys for multiple human lifetimes with little chance for freedom and the ever present fear of death by capricious jerks and likely conditioned to enjoy that sort of life, which is probably even more horrifying.

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** [[CreatorInJoke This may be based on the traditional portrayal of Black slaves vs. White upper class females in the Old South]], given how the book series started in the politically-turbulent [[TheSixties 1960s]]. [[http://www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/experience/gender/history2.html Traditional The traditional view was Black women were either sexually promiscuous]], [[http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2956.html or sexually exploited by owners and overseers]], or both, [[http://www.studentpulse.com/articles/747/sexual-relations-between-elite-white-women-and-enslaved-men-in-the-antebellum-south-a-socio-historical-analysis while the White elite had to maintain proper standards in their personal life]], avenging their frustrations and jealousy on helpless slaves.
* FridgeHorror: Some points about the slavegirls:
slave girls:
** We never see an old slavegirl.slave girl. They supposedly have anti-aging treatments that prolong human life for centuries if not indefinitely. So, their looks might not fade for a long time. Of course, they're instead stuck in a life where they're used as human sex toys for multiple human lifetimes with little chance for freedom and the ever present fear of death by capricious jerks and likely conditioned to enjoy that sort of life, which is probably even more horrifying.



*** Against all of this, there is the Gorean concept that when the right Master and slave-girl end up together, they will both be fully satisfied with the relationship - and have many centuries to enjoy it. This is the denouement of ''Captive of Gor'', ''Slave Girl of Gor'', and the other girl-protagonist stories, and a number of other Master/slave relationships seem to be heading that way in other books too. Essentially, true can only be found by putting the right Master with the right brainwashed sex-slave, [[SarcasmMode who's clearly in a position to decide what she finds "fulfilling."]]
** A meta example but many people are disturbed to learn that John Norman's day job is as an ethics professor.

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*** Against all of this, there is the Gorean concept that when the right Master master and slave-girl slave girl end up together, they will both be fully satisfied with the relationship - and have many centuries to enjoy it. This is the denouement of ''Captive of Gor'', ''Slave Girl of Gor'', and the other girl-protagonist stories, and a number of other Master/slave master/slave relationships seem to be heading that way in other books too. Essentially, true can only be found by putting the right Master master with the right brainwashed sex-slave, [[SarcasmMode who's clearly in a position to decide what she finds "fulfilling."]]
** A meta example example, but many people are disturbed to learn that John Norman's day job is as an ethics professor.
1st Apr '16 2:59:07 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** There are several cases in the books where a woman is raped, bound, stripped, or otherwise undergoes some sort of sex-related humiliation. This invariably makes her more gentle, more feminine, and overall more pleasant to be around. To hammer the point home, she's often shown as being ''happier'' once she's been properly raped and put in her place.

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** There are several cases in the books where a woman is raped, bound, stripped, or otherwise undergoes some sort of sex-related humiliation. [[RapePortrayedAsRedemption This invariably makes her more gentle, more feminine, and overall more pleasant to be around.around]]. To hammer the point home, she's often shown as being ''happier'' once she's been properly raped and put in her place.
28th Feb '16 8:13:08 AM Game_Fan
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** A meta example but many people are disturbed to learn that John Norman's day job is as an ethics professor.
17th Dec '15 2:00:30 PM Nautilus1
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** [[CreatorInJoke This may be based on traditional portrayal of Black slaves vs. White upper class females in the Old South]], given how the book series started in politically-turbulent [[TheSixties 1960s]]. [[http://www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/experience/gender/history2.html Traditional view was Black women were either sexually promiscuous]], [[http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2956.html or sexually exploited by owners and overseers]], or both, while the White elite had to maintain proper standards in their personal life, avenging their frustrations and jealousy on helpless slaves.

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** [[CreatorInJoke This may be based on traditional portrayal of Black slaves vs. White upper class females in the Old South]], given how the book series started in politically-turbulent [[TheSixties 1960s]]. [[http://www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/experience/gender/history2.html Traditional view was Black women were either sexually promiscuous]], [[http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2956.html or sexually exploited by owners and overseers]], or both, [[http://www.studentpulse.com/articles/747/sexual-relations-between-elite-white-women-and-enslaved-men-in-the-antebellum-south-a-socio-historical-analysis while the White elite had to maintain proper standards in their personal life, life]], avenging their frustrations and jealousy on helpless slaves.
17th Dec '15 5:59:53 AM Nautilus1
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** [[CreatorInJoke This may be based on traditional portrayal of Black slaves vs. White upper class females in the Old South]], given how the book series started in politically-turbulent [[TheSixties 1960s]]. Traditional view was Black women were either sexually promiscuous, [[http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2956.html or sexually exploited by owners and overseers]], or both, while the White elite had to maintain proper standards in their personal life, avenging their frustrations and jealousy on helpless slaves.

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** [[CreatorInJoke This may be based on traditional portrayal of Black slaves vs. White upper class females in the Old South]], given how the book series started in politically-turbulent [[TheSixties 1960s]]. [[http://www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/experience/gender/history2.html Traditional view was Black women were either sexually promiscuous, promiscuous]], [[http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2956.html or sexually exploited by owners and overseers]], or both, while the White elite had to maintain proper standards in their personal life, avenging their frustrations and jealousy on helpless slaves.
17th Dec '15 5:57:36 AM Nautilus1
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** [[CreatorInJoke This may be based on traditional portrayal of Black slaves vs. White upper class females in the Old South]], given how the book series started in politically-turbulent [[TheSixties 1960s]]. Traditional view was Black women were either sexually promiscuous, [[http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2956.html or sexually exploited by owners and overseers]], or both, while the White elite had to maintain proper standards in their personal life, avenging their frustrations and jealousy on helpless slaves.
16th Nov '15 9:11:15 AM OlfinBedwere
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* TakeThatScrappy: Even the film seems to have been aware of just how annoying Watney was, as evidenced by the ending where [[spoiler:the ring ends up sending Watney back to Earth alone without Cabot, who finally gets to be with Talena, while Watney ends up having to explain to some cops why he's jaywalking in the middle of Los Angeles dressed in a ridiculous outfit]].

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* {{Sequelitis}}: The first film at least gives the impression of being made by people who were ''trying'' to make something halfway decent. ''Outlaw'', however, comes across as just a bunch of action sequences loosely tied together by a RandomEventsPlot, along with being generally cheap and poorly-made, even by comparison to the first film.
* SpecialEffectFailure:
** In the first film, the sequence where Cabot is sent to Gor cuts between studio shots of him driving through a thunderstorm at night, and location footage showing his car driving along on a bright, sunny day with only a day-for-night filter attempting to give the impression of a storm. ''Outlaw'' somehow manages to be vastly worse, just having Cabot's car being rocked by a couple of stagehands, after which we get a smash-cut to him and Watney being on Gor.
** The climax of ''Outlaw'' has the hunter throwing a spear at [[spoiler:Queen Lara]] with some force... followed by a shot of someone off-screen very gently prodding the spear into [[spoiler:Lara]]'s abdomen.
* TakeThatScrappy: Even the film ''Outlaw'' seems to have been aware of just how annoying Watney was, as evidenced by the ending where [[spoiler:the ring ends up sending Watney back to Earth alone without Cabot, who finally gets to be with Talena, while Watney ends up having to explain to some cops why he's jaywalking in the middle of Los Angeles dressed in a ridiculous outfit]].
28th Aug '15 6:40:24 AM ArcaneAzmadi
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*** Against all of this, there is the Gorean concept that when the right Master and slave-girl end up together, they will both be fully satisfied with the relationship - and have many centuries to enjoy it. This is the denouement of ''Captive of Gor'', ''Slave Girl of Gor'', and the other girl-protagonist stories, and a number of other Master/slave relationships seem to be heading that way in other books too. Essentially, true can only be found by putting the right Master with the right brainwashed sex-slave, who's clearly in a position to decide what she finds "fulfilling."

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*** Against all of this, there is the Gorean concept that when the right Master and slave-girl end up together, they will both be fully satisfied with the relationship - and have many centuries to enjoy it. This is the denouement of ''Captive of Gor'', ''Slave Girl of Gor'', and the other girl-protagonist stories, and a number of other Master/slave relationships seem to be heading that way in other books too. Essentially, true can only be found by putting the right Master with the right brainwashed sex-slave, [[SarcasmMode who's clearly in a position to decide what she finds "fulfilling.""]]
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