History YMMV / GoldenSunDarkDawn

19th Feb '17 5:58:23 AM Silverblade2
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31st Dec '16 12:14:03 AM ADrago
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* ContestedSequel: While ''VideoGame/GoldenSunDarkDawn'' is a definitely a decent game in its own right and their shipping fanbase is still strong, the plot railroading, ''many'' points of no return (leading to many things becoming LostForever if the player is not careful) and the [[FandomBerserkButton controversial]] [[ItsEasySoItSucks difficulty]] makes it difficult to [[ToughActToFollow live up to the second game's successes]].

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* ContestedSequel: While ''VideoGame/GoldenSunDarkDawn'' is a definitely a decent game in its own right and their shipping fanbase is still strong, the plot railroading, ''many'' points of no return (leading to many things becoming LostForever {{Permanently Missable|Content}} if the player is not careful) and the [[FandomBerserkButton controversial]] [[ItsEasySoItSucks difficulty]] makes it difficult to [[ToughActToFollow live up to the second game's successes]].



** And let's not get into the whole problem people are having with the [[LostForever points of no return]], which permanently block off a fair number of Djinn and summons if you didn't get them already. The official Nintendo-backed game guide explicitly reminds players to "[[BlatantLies go back and get all the Djinn]]" before they hit the final dungeons.

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** And let's not get into the whole problem people are having with the [[LostForever [[PermanentlyMissableContent points of no return]], which permanently block off a fair number of Djinn and summons if you didn't get them already. The official Nintendo-backed game guide explicitly reminds players to "[[BlatantLies go back and get all the Djinn]]" before they hit the final dungeons.
27th Nov '16 10:31:34 PM 43110
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* CompleteMonster: Though ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'' has a villainous roster comprised by mostly [[AntiVillain villains with redeeming qualities]], this cannot be said for ''Dark Dawn's'' [[BigBadDuumvirate Blados and Chalis]]. Agents of the military country Tuaparang, Blados starts by [[WouldHurtAChild kidnapping a child]] and isolating him from his master, while Chalis secretly manipulates Kaocho's king from behind the scenes. The two partake in a scheme to activate the [[TheNightThatNeverEnds Grave Eclipse]], shrouding most of the continent in darkness and unleashing dark beasts on the innocent populace, leading to the death of thousands. Once at the [[FantasticNuke Apollo Lens]], Blados and Chalis waste no time in [[TheStarscream betraying]] the other BigBad, Alex, and seizing the Apollo Lens for themselves. They proceed to turn Volechek (the brother of playable character Sveta) into a horrific beast and attempt to use him to fire the Apollo Lens on their own allies, killing Volechek in the process. Both are nasty in their own right, with {{Bl|oodKnight}}ados doing it [[ForTheEvulz for fun]], and Chalis seeking [[ItsAllAboutMe more personal motives]], up to [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying her own partner]]. Cunning, manipulative, and seeing the deaths of thousands as a mere side-effect of the plan, Blados and Chalis are two of the worst villains ''Golden Sun'' has.

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* CompleteMonster: Though ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'' has a villainous roster comprised by mostly [[AntiVillain villains with redeeming qualities]], this cannot be said for ''Dark Dawn's'' [[BigBadDuumvirate Blados and Chalis]].Chalis. Agents of the military country Tuaparang, Blados starts by [[WouldHurtAChild kidnapping a child]] and isolating him from his master, while Chalis secretly manipulates Kaocho's king from behind the scenes. The two partake in a scheme to activate the [[TheNightThatNeverEnds Grave Eclipse]], shrouding most of the continent in darkness and unleashing dark beasts on the innocent populace, leading to the death of thousands. Once at the [[FantasticNuke Apollo Lens]], Blados and Chalis waste no time in [[TheStarscream betraying]] the other BigBad, Alex, and seizing the Apollo Lens for themselves. They proceed to turn Volechek (the brother of playable character Sveta) into a horrific beast and attempt to use him to fire the Apollo Lens on their own allies, killing Volechek in the process. Both are nasty in their own right, with {{Bl|oodKnight}}ados doing it [[ForTheEvulz for fun]], and Chalis seeking [[ItsAllAboutMe more personal motives]], up to [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying her own partner]]. Cunning, manipulative, and seeing the deaths of thousands as a mere side-effect of the plan, Blados and Chalis are two of the worst villains ''Golden Sun'' has.
17th Nov '16 1:45:00 AM moultingphoenix
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** Any of the damage reducing djinn are game breakers, even in the original Golden Sun duology, but they're more notable here - purely because you don't have to wait for most of the game to get them! Chasm can be found in the [[spoiler: Belinsk Ruins]], which while it is near the end of the second third of the game, it completely trivializes anything past that, due to its effect. Chasm reduces all damage to the party by 90%, and will always go first in the battle unless another priority move is used. This doesn't seem too bad, until you realize that there are two other djinn, Bark & Shell which reduce damage by 50% and 60% respectively. You can remove all remaining difficulty from the game by having one character use Chasm on the first turn, then set it on the second, with another character using Shell/Bark on the second turn. You can then repeat this for the whole fight,[[ItsEasySoItSucks which predictably turns the game into a joke]].

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** Any of the damage reducing djinn are game breakers, even in the original Golden Sun duology, but they're more notable here - purely because you don't have to wait for most of the game to get them! them. Chasm can be found in the [[spoiler: Belinsk Ruins]], which while it is near the end of the second third of the game, it completely trivializes anything past that, due to its effect. Chasm reduces all damage to the party by 90%, and will always go first in the battle unless another priority move is used. This doesn't seem too bad, until you realize that there are two other djinn, Bark & Shell which reduce damage by 50% and 60% respectively. You can remove all remaining difficulty from the game by having one character use Chasm on the first turn, then set it on the second, with another character using Shell/Bark on the second turn. You can then repeat this for the whole fight,[[ItsEasySoItSucks fight, [[ItsEasySoItSucks which predictably turns the game into a joke]].
17th Nov '16 1:44:13 AM moultingphoenix
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** Any of the damage reducing djinn are game breakers, even in the original Golden Sun duology, but they're more notable here - purely because you don't have to wait for most of the game to get them! Chasm can be found in the [[spoiler: Belinsk Ruins]], which while it is near the end of the second third of the game, it completely trivializes anything past that, due to its effect. Chasm reduces all damage to the party by 90%, and will always go first in the battle unless another priority move is used. This doesn't seem too bad, until you realize that there are two other djinn, Bark & Shell which reduce damage by 50% and 60% respectively. You can remove all remaining difficulty from the game by having one character use Chasm on the first turn, then set it on the second, with another character using Shell/Bark on the second turn. You can then repeat this for the whole fight,[[ItsEasySoItSucks which predictably turns the game into a joke]].
21st Oct '16 11:26:26 PM Hyze
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Poor Himi. She joins as an EleventhHourRanger at a point in the game where she can only really participate in the bonus dungeons and the final boss, so there isn't much main plot left for her to have a part in by the time she joins up. Despite being the daughter of two characters from the previous game who already didn't get much screentime, Himi's only significance is to act as a PlotCoupon to help get the group where they need to go. She also barely has enough lines in the game to fill a single page. Despite having an interesting class design as the first Venus Adept mage character, Himi is the worst of the worst when it comes to being a FlatCharacter in this game.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Poor Himi. She joins as an EleventhHourRanger at a point in the game where she can only really participate in the bonus dungeons and the final boss, so there isn't much main plot left for her to have a part in by the time she joins up. Despite being the daughter of two characters from the previous game who already didn't get much screentime, Himi's only significance is to act as a PlotCoupon to help get the group where they need to go. She also barely has enough lines in the game to fill a single page. Despite having an interesting class design as the first Venus Adept mage character, Himi is the worst of the worst when it comes to being a FlatCharacter in this game.
21st Oct '16 11:25:18 PM Hyze
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*TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Poor Himi. She joins as an EleventhHourRanger at a point in the game where she can only really participate in the bonus dungeons and the final boss, so there isn't much main plot left for her to have a part in by the time she joins up. Despite being the daughter of two characters from the previous game who already didn't get much screentime, Himi's only significance is to act as a PlotCoupon to help get the group where they need to go. She also barely has enough lines in the game to fill a single page. Despite having an interesting class design as the first Venus Adept mage character, Himi is the worst of the worst when it comes to being a FlatCharacter in this game.
15th Aug '16 9:25:57 AM longWriter
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* AnnoyingVideoGameHelper: Isaac, when he joins your party for a while in Tanglewood, will very frequently tell you use Djinn and summons to get an advantage over your enemies. While this can be helpful for players new to the Golden Sun series, veteran players or people who are playing through the game again will find Isaac's constant nagging on what to do in battle annoying since almost every enemy at that point can be killed in a few hits with weapons or Psynergy.
** Garet's AI is known to get rather trigger-happy with the summons if you have any Djinn on standby. [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill Even against minor enemies.]]
** The game also has quite a few points where the characters have whole conversations about what to do next, when the answer should be patently obvious.
** There are instances where Amiti is scripted to use Insight to point out a puzzle you've already solved. Most annoying is the one to unlock the secret entrance to the Ouroboros, which is the same "empty the basin" puzzle you solved in ''every other room'' in Barai Temple, when Amiti was accompanying you as an NPC (so he's ''seen'' you solve that one already!).



* StopHelpingMe: Isaac, when he joins your party for a while in Tanglewood, will very frequently tell you use Djinn and summons to get an advantage over your enemies. While this can be helpful for players new to the Golden Sun series, veteran players or people who are playing through the game again will find Isaac's constant nagging on what to do in battle annoying since almost every enemy at that point can be killed in a few hits with weapons or Psynergy.
** Garet's AI is known to get rather trigger-happy with the summons if you have any Djinn on standby. [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill Even against minor enemies.]]
** The game also has quite a few points where the characters have whole conversations about what to do next, when the answer should be patently obvious.
** There are instances where Amiti is scripted to use Insight to point out a puzzle you've already solved. Most annoying is the one to unlock the secret entrance to the Ouroboros, which is the same "empty the basin" puzzle you solved in ''every other room'' in Barai Temple, when Amiti was accompanying you as an NPC (so he's ''seen'' you solve that one already!).
12th Jul '16 8:11:02 AM Chabal2
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* HilariousInHindsight: Many characters in the first game think Isaac's party are a bunch of muscle bound bearded warriors. Now they (or at least Isaac and Garet) are.

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Many characters in the first game think Isaac's party are a bunch of muscle bound bearded warriors. Now they (or at least Isaac and Garet) are.are.
** One of the Encyclopedia entries mentions a [[Series/GameOfThrones Warden of the North.]]
5th Jan '16 4:15:36 PM RegalStar
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*** Gameplay wise it's probably meant to balance the fact that Venus-elemental gets otherwise the best stuff (the strongest unleash in the game, the best attacking djinni in the game, the second strongest summon in the game, the strongest attack psynergy by a country mile for what it's worth, the fact that GameBreaker Sveta is actually much more Venus aligned on offence with her EPA and majority of her weapon unleashes being earth-elemental).
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