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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: At first, Rin is EntertaininglyWrong when she thinks Archer is a future version of the Shirou she knows. It's no longer funny when she learns the truth and [[FreakOut becomes mentally unstable]] and emotionally destroyed over what she learns about him and the implications that she would be an utter failure at helping the man she loves, a mission she devoted herself to when she learned how "distorted" Shirou is.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: There are a ''lot'' of people who dislike Sirius, and a lot of people who will defend him.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: There are a ''lot'' of people who dislike Sirius, CaptainObviousReveal: Based on his physical apperance, his choice in weaponry, and a lot of people who will defend him.his stats, it becomes fairly obvious before TheReveal that Assassin is [[spoiler:Kiritsugu Emiya]].



* HilariousInHindsight: Thanks to VideoGame/FateGrandOrder, Medea Lily and [[spoiler:Assassin Kiritsugu]] are now canon. However the context behind them is [[{{Tearjerker}} different]].
* OneTrueThreesome: Rin seems to be aiming for this with herself, Sakura, and Shirou. [[spoiler: Though WordOfGod states it will become a harem, eventually.]]

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* HilariousInHindsight: Thanks to VideoGame/FateGrandOrder, Medea Lily and [[spoiler:Assassin Kiritsugu]] are now canon. However the context behind them is [[{{Tearjerker}} different]].
* OneTrueThreesome: Rin seems to be aiming for this with herself, Sakura, and Shirou. [[spoiler: Though WordOfGod states it will become a harem, eventually.]]
different]].

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* HilariousInHindsight: With the advent of VideoGame/FateGrandOrder, Medea Lily and [[spoiler:Assassin Kiritsugu]] are now canon.

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* HarsherInHindsight: VideoGame/FateGrandOrder makes both Princess!Medea and [[spoiler:Assassin Kiritsugu]] canon, but shows them in a much more tragic light.
** Rather than be the kind aspects of Princess Medea that remained after she became the Witch of Betrayal, Medea Lily is her ''before'' her heart was broken by Jason, leaving her hopelessly in love with the man who hurt her.
** Rather than being summoned as himself, [[spoiler:Assassin Kiritsugu is a version of himself who never met Irisviel, and became a heartless killer instead. His willingness to sacrifice others for the sake of the greater good even allowed him to become an agent of the Counter Force, and its only because of that he could be summoned at all.]]
* HilariousInHindsight: With the advent of Thanks to VideoGame/FateGrandOrder, Medea Lily and [[spoiler:Assassin Kiritsugu]] are now canon.canon. However the context behind them is [[{{Tearjerker}} different]].

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* HilariousInHindsight: Assassin!Kiritsugu was a BaseBreakingCharacter for a number of fans... but then guess who showed up in Fate/Grand Order as Assassin!EMIYA?
** Creator/GenUrobuchi holds the view that Kiritsugu and his ideals are part of the abstract gestalt that has/will become the Hero EMIYA, giving a literal meaning to Shirou taking up his father's mantle... And given that [[AbstractApotheosis Heroic Spirits]] are [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm too complex]] entities to materialize in their full glory and power, and forced to assume AFormYouAreComfortableWith in the human world, it is not that much of a stretch of belief to think that Witch!Caster inadvertently invoked a specific aspect of the bigger Heroic Spirit EMIYA.
** With the advent of VideoGame/FateGrandOrder, Medea Lily and [[spoiler:Assassin Kiritsugu]] are now canon.
* [[OneTrueThreesome OT3]]: Rin seems to be aiming for this with herself, Sakura, and Shirou.
** [[spoiler: Though WordOfGod states it will become a harem, eventually.]]

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* HilariousInHindsight: Assassin!Kiritsugu was a BaseBreakingCharacter for a number of fans... but then guess who showed up in Fate/Grand Order as Assassin!EMIYA?
** Creator/GenUrobuchi holds the view that Kiritsugu and his ideals are part of the abstract gestalt that has/will become the Hero EMIYA, giving a literal meaning to Shirou taking up his father's mantle... And given that [[AbstractApotheosis Heroic Spirits]] are [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm too complex]] entities to materialize in their full glory and power, and forced to assume AFormYouAreComfortableWith in the human world, it is not that much of a stretch of belief to think that Witch!Caster inadvertently invoked a specific aspect of the bigger Heroic Spirit EMIYA.
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With the advent of VideoGame/FateGrandOrder, Medea Lily and [[spoiler:Assassin Kiritsugu]] are now canon.
* [[OneTrueThreesome OT3]]: OneTrueThreesome: Rin seems to be aiming for this with herself, Sakura, and Shirou.
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Shirou. [[spoiler: Though WordOfGod states it will become a harem, eventually.]]
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* FridgeBrilliance:
** The [[MeaningfulName meaningful names]] given to the three mystic codes built from the remains of Kiritsugu all match up with their abilities.
*** Natalia holds the concept of "Severing". Natalia was Kiritsugu's ParentalSubstitute that he killed with his own hands, ''severing'' their bond in that way.
*** Maiya was Kiritsugu's partner, one he half raised, who ''bound'' herself to him despite him wanting her to walk away, ultimately leading to her death.
*** Finally, Kiritsugu itself; aside from his name being formed from the same kanji as "Severing" and "Binding", it's a sword that ''utterly destroys'' the target. Just like, through a random chance, Kiritsugu set things up to completely destroy the normal routes and possibilities for Fate/stay night.
** In this timeline, Emiya Kiritsugu is a proper Heroic Spirit, and Princess!Caster can even find his legend. This means Luvia's research on Kiritsugu actually contributed into creating the beginnings a legend for him!
*** Even better, this is probably what allowed Luvia in the first place to summon an improbable redeemed version of Medea, that never became the Witch of Betrayal !

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* FridgeBrilliance: The [[MeaningfulName meaningful names]] given to the three mystic codes built from the remains of Kiritsugu all match up with their abilities.
** Natalia holds the concept of "Severing". Natalia was Kiritsugu's ParentalSubstitute that he killed with his own hands, ''severing'' their bond in that way.
** Maiya was Kiritsugu's partner, one he half raised, who ''bound'' herself to him despite him wanting her to walk away, ultimately leading to her death.
** Finally, Kiritsugu itself; aside from his name being formed from the same kanji as "Severing" and "Binding", it's a sword that ''utterly destroys'' the target. Just like, through a random chance, Kiritsugu set things up to completely destroy the normal routes and possibilities for Fate/stay night.

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* FridgeBrilliance: FridgeBrilliance:
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The [[MeaningfulName meaningful names]] given to the three mystic codes built from the remains of Kiritsugu all match up with their abilities.
** *** Natalia holds the concept of "Severing". Natalia was Kiritsugu's ParentalSubstitute that he killed with his own hands, ''severing'' their bond in that way.
** *** Maiya was Kiritsugu's partner, one he half raised, who ''bound'' herself to him despite him wanting her to walk away, ultimately leading to her death.
** *** Finally, Kiritsugu itself; aside from his name being formed from the same kanji as "Severing" and "Binding", it's a sword that ''utterly destroys'' the target. Just like, through a random chance, Kiritsugu set things up to completely destroy the normal routes and possibilities for Fate/stay night.night.
** In this timeline, Emiya Kiritsugu is a proper Heroic Spirit, and Princess!Caster can even find his legend. This means Luvia's research on Kiritsugu actually contributed into creating the beginnings a legend for him!
*** Even better, this is probably what allowed Luvia in the first place to summon an improbable redeemed version of Medea, that never became the Witch of Betrayal !



** Creator/GenUrobuchi holds the view that Kiritsugu and his ideals are part of the abstract gestalt that has/will become the Hero EMIYA, giving a literal meaning to Shirou taking up his father's mantle... And given that [[AbstractApotheosis Heroic Spirits]] are [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm too complex]] entities to materialize in their full glory and power, and forced to assume AFormYouAreComfortableWith in the human world, it is not that much of a stretch of belief to think that Witch!Caster inadvertently invoked a specific aspect of the bigger Heroic Spirit EMIYA. Plus, in what might be an unintended bit of FridgeBrilliance, in the fic proper, Princess!Caster gets invoked as an improbable aspect of herself that never became the Witch of Betrayal, probably because of Luvia's mindset that wants to redeem Kiritsugu as a hero and started his very own legend in this timeline.

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** Creator/GenUrobuchi holds the view that Kiritsugu and his ideals are part of the abstract gestalt that has/will become the Hero EMIYA, giving a literal meaning to Shirou taking up his father's mantle... And given that [[AbstractApotheosis Heroic Spirits]] are [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm too complex]] entities to materialize in their full glory and power, and forced to assume AFormYouAreComfortableWith in the human world, it is not that much of a stretch of belief to think that Witch!Caster inadvertently invoked a specific aspect of the bigger Heroic Spirit EMIYA. Plus, in what might be an unintended bit of FridgeBrilliance, in the fic proper, Princess!Caster gets invoked as an improbable aspect of herself that never became the Witch of Betrayal, probably because of Luvia's mindset that wants to redeem Kiritsugu as a hero and started his very own legend in this timeline.
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* NightmareFuel:
** Medea [[spoiler:turns her Master into a living wand]]--which involves putting her in a test-tube, [[AndIMustScream unable to scream or move]].
** Chapter 37 mentions a Sealing Designate who tried to make Pokemon. Harmless, right? Then we get to know what happened when they found it:
*** ''One intern had made the mistake of trying to pet one of the little monstrosities. A little yellow rat. After she had been electrocuted with enough amperage to literally fry her heart, nerves and brain, no one else had hesitated in crushing every little mistake that met their eyes into a chunky red paste.''
** Incidentally, [[ContrivedCoincidence Zelretch just so happened to have visited before they were created.]]
** Shirou being a very unique hybrid case of... an Incarnation of the sword element, a [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Living Apostle]], with taint from dragon blood, divine blood, and protected by a very powerful Fae artifact... This makes for a very peculiar regeneration process when all of these bits work together to fix his body as it gets broken in more and more... creative ways. For example, the sight of him regenerating a blown up heart out of blades causes every Servant on the scene to pause in abject incomprehension or outright disgust. Even outright monsters like Rider.
** Assassin!Kiritsugu's situation. Not only he's forced to serve the whims of a mad witch, ''his children are contestants in the Holy Grail War'', meaning he could be forced to hurt them. The scene where he almost uses an Origin Bullet on Archer - a future version of Shirou - is nothing short of AdultFear.
** Archer's past is this for Rin, moreso when he reveals he was executed and she was ''probably'' right there.
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* FridgeBrilliance: The names given to the three mystic codes built from the remains of Kiritsugu all match up with their abilities

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* FridgeBrilliance: The names [[MeaningfulName meaningful names]] given to the three mystic codes built from the remains of Kiritsugu all match up with their abilitiesabilities.
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* FridgeBrilliance: The names given to the three mystic codes built from the remains of Kiritsugu all match up with their abilities
** Natalia holds the concept of "Severing". Natalia was Kiritsugu's ParentalSubstitute that he killed with his own hands, ''severing'' their bond in that way.
** Maiya was Kiritsugu's partner, one he half raised, who ''bound'' herself to him despite him wanting her to walk away, ultimately leading to her death.
** Finally, Kiritsugu itself; aside from his name being formed from the same kanji as "Severing" and "Binding", it's a sword that ''utterly destroys'' the target. Just like, through a random chance, Kiritsugu set things up to completely destroy the normal routes and possibilities for Fate/stay night.
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** Assassin!Kiritsugu's situation. Not only he's forced to serve the whims of a mad witch, ''his children are contestants in the Holy Grail War'', meaning he could be forced to hurt them. The scene where he almost uses an Origin Bullet on Archer - a future version of Shirou - is nothing short of AdultFear.
** Archer's past is this for Rin, moreso when he reveals he was executed and she was ''probably'' right there.
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** With the advent of VideoGame/FateGrandOrder, Medea Lily is now canon.

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** With the advent of VideoGame/FateGrandOrder, Medea Lily is and [[spoiler:Assassin Kiritsugu]] are now canon.
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** With the advent of VideoGame/FateGrandOrder, Medea Lily is now canon.
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* ArcFatigue: The Grail War as a whole feels this because of the number of times Witch!Caster cheated death out of pure dumb luck on her part, or bad luck on the protagonists' part. It didn't help she was sitting on an actual "Blow up everything" button, KNEW it and was WILLING to use it.


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** Shirou being a very unique hybrid case of... an Incarnation of the sword element, a [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Living Apostle]], with taint from dragon blood, divine blood, and protected by a very powerful Fae artifact... This makes for a very peculiar regeneration process when all of these bits work together to fix his body as it gets broken in more and more... creative ways. For example, the sight of him regenerating a blown up heart out of blades causes every Servant on the scene to pause in abject incomprehension or outright disgust. Even outright monsters like Rider.
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** [[WordOfGod Urobuchi]] holds the view that Kiritsugu and his ideals are part of the abstract gestalt that has/will become the Hero EMIYA, giving a literal meaning to Shirou taking up his father's mantle... And given that [[AbstractApotheosis Heroic Spirits]] are [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm too complex]] entities to materialize in their full glory and power, and forced to assume AFormYouAreComfortableWith in the human world, it is not that much of a stretch of belief to think that Witch!Caster inadvertently invoked a specific aspect of the bigger Heroic Spirit EMIYA. Plus, in what might be an unintended bit of FridgeBrilliance, in the fic proper, Princess!Caster gets invoked as an improbable aspect of herself that never became the Witch of Betrayal, probably because of Luvia's mindset that wants to redeem Kiritsugu as a hero and started his very own legend in this timeline.

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** [[WordOfGod Urobuchi]] Creator/GenUrobuchi holds the view that Kiritsugu and his ideals are part of the abstract gestalt that has/will become the Hero EMIYA, giving a literal meaning to Shirou taking up his father's mantle... And given that [[AbstractApotheosis Heroic Spirits]] are [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm too complex]] entities to materialize in their full glory and power, and forced to assume AFormYouAreComfortableWith in the human world, it is not that much of a stretch of belief to think that Witch!Caster inadvertently invoked a specific aspect of the bigger Heroic Spirit EMIYA. Plus, in what might be an unintended bit of FridgeBrilliance, in the fic proper, Princess!Caster gets invoked as an improbable aspect of herself that never became the Witch of Betrayal, probably because of Luvia's mindset that wants to redeem Kiritsugu as a hero and started his very own legend in this timeline.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Assassin!Kiritsugu was a BaseBreaker for a number of fans... but then guess who showed up in Fate/Grand Order as Assassin!EMIYA?

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* HilariousInHindsight: Assassin!Kiritsugu was a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter for a number of fans... but then guess who showed up in Fate/Grand Order as Assassin!EMIYA?
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* BaseBreaker: There are a ''lot'' of people who dislike Sirius, and a lot of people who will defend him.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: There are a ''lot'' of people who dislike Sirius, and a lot of people who will defend him.
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** [[WordOfGod Urobuchi]] holds the view that Kiritsugu and his ideals are part of the abstract gestalt that has/will become the Hero EMIYA, giving a literal meaning to Shirou taking up his father's mantle... And given that [[AbstractApotheosis Heroic Spirits]] are [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm too complex]] entities to materialize in their full glory and power, and forced to assume AFormYouAreComfortableWith in the human world, it is not that much of a stretch of belief to think that Witch!Caster inadvertently invoked a specific aspect of the bigger Heroic Spirit EMIYA. Plus, in what might be an unintended bit of FridgeBrilliance, in the fic proper, Princess!Caster gets invoked as an improbable aspect of herself that never became the Witch of Betrayal, probably because of Luvia's mindset that wants to redeem Kiritsugu as a hero and started his very own legend in this timeline.
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* Hilarious In Hindsight: Assassin!Kiritsugu was a BaseBreaker for a number of fans... but then guess who showed up in Fate/Grand Order as Assassin!EMIYA?

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* Hilarious In Hindsight: HilariousInHindsight: Assassin!Kiritsugu was a BaseBreaker for a number of fans... but then guess who showed up in Fate/Grand Order as Assassin!EMIYA?
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* Hilarious In Hindsight: Assassin!Kiritsugu was a BaseBreaker for a number of fans... but then guess who showed up in Fate/Grand Order as Assassin!EMIYA?

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* BaseBreaker: There are a ''lot'' of people that dislike Sirius, and a lot of people that will defend him.
* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler: Medea turned her Master into a living wand... which involves putting her in a test-tube, unable to scream or move.]]
** Chapter 37 mentions a Sealing Designate who had tried to make Pokemon. Harmless, right? Then we get to know what happened when they found it:

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* BaseBreaker: There are a ''lot'' of people that who dislike Sirius, and a lot of people that who will defend him.
* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler: FunnyAneurysmMoment: At first, Rin is EntertaininglyWrong when she thinks Archer is a future version of the Shirou she knows. It's no longer funny when she learns the truth and [[FreakOut becomes mentally unstable]] and emotionally destroyed over what she learns about him and the implications that she would be an utter failure at helping the man she loves, a mission she devoted herself to when she learned how "distorted" Shirou is.
* NightmareFuel:
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Medea turned [[spoiler:turns her Master into a living wand... which wand]]--which involves putting her in a test-tube, [[AndIMustScream unable to scream or move.]]
move]].
** Chapter 37 mentions a Sealing Designate who had tried to make Pokemon. Harmless, right? Then we get to know what happened when they found it:



** incidentally, [[ContrivedCoincidence Zelretch just so happened to have visited before they were created.]]

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** incidentally, Incidentally, [[ContrivedCoincidence Zelretch just so happened to have visited before they were created.]]
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**incidentally, [[ContrivedCoincidence Zelretch just so happened to have visited before they were created.]]
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** [[spoiler: Though WordOfGod states it will become a harem, eventually.]]
*** [[spoiler: What else could you expect? This is Nasu-verse, after all. And Shirou is protagonist. With BAR.]]

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** [[spoiler: Though WordOfGod states it will become a harem, eventually.]]
*** [[spoiler: What else could you expect? This is Nasu-verse, after all. And Shirou is protagonist. With BAR.
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**Chapter 37 mentions a Sealing Designate who had tried to make Pokemon. Harmless, right? Then we get to know what happened when they found it:
*** ''One intern had made the mistake of trying to pet one of the little monstrosities. A little yellow rat. After she had been electrocuted with enough amperage to literally fry her heart, nerves and brain, no one else had hesitated in crushing every little mistake that met their eyes into a chunky red paste.''
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* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler: Medea turned her Master into a living wand... which involves putting her in a test-tube, unable to scream and move.]]

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* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler: Medea turned her Master into a living wand... which involves putting her in a test-tube, unable to scream and or move.]]
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* BaseBreaker: There are a ''lot'' of people that dislike Sirius, and a lot of people that will defend him.
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** [[spoiler: Though WordOfGod states it will become a harem, eventually.]]

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** [[spoiler: Though WordOfGod states it will become a harem, eventually.]]
***[[spoiler: What else could you expect? This is Nasu-verse, after all. And Shirou is protagonist. With BAR.
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* [[OneTrueThreesome OT3]]: Rin seems to be aiming for this with herself, Sakura, and Shirou.
** [[spoiler: Though WordOfGod states it will become a harem, eventually.]]
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* AccidentalInnuendo: A ridiculous amount from Shirou in chapter 15.
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* AccidentalInnuendo: A ridiculous amount from Shirou in chapter 15.

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