History YMMV / FireEmblem

14th Dec '17 7:49:44 PM mrbits
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** The tier system has made any and all members of the [[MagikarpPower Est archetype]] grounds for countless holy wars.



** The tier system has made any and all members of the [[MagikarpPower Est archetype]] grounds for countless holy wars.
** The Camus archetype is also controversial, though only from a story standpoint. Are they they well-done tragic [[AntiVillain Anti Villains]] who show there are sympathetic people on both sides of the war, or do their MyMasterRightOrWrong tendencies veer so much towards LawfulStupid they become UnintentionallyUnsympathetic? Very often, Camus characters have UndyingLoyalty to a lord who's either ObviouslyEvil or obviously [[UnwittingPawn being manipulated]], and some even ''realize'' this yet still fight your army anyway.



* FandomRivalry: As mentioned under BrokenBase, many of Nintendo's other niche fandoms, such as ''VideoGame/KidIcarus'', ''VideoGame/FZero'', and ''Franchise/DonkeyKong'' have a bone to pick with the Fire Emblem fandom out of jealousy for the attention that the franchise is receiving. The large amount of divisiveness in the fandom does nothing to help matters either.

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* FandomRivalry: As mentioned under BrokenBase, many Many of Nintendo's other niche fandoms, such as ''VideoGame/KidIcarus'', ''VideoGame/FZero'', and ''Franchise/DonkeyKong'' have a bone to pick with the Fire Emblem fandom out of jealousy for the attention that the franchise is receiving. The large amount of divisiveness in the fandom does nothing to help matters either.
14th Dec '17 7:45:11 PM mrbits
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** The series as a whole is being hit with this more and more over time. Until ''Awakening'', ''Fire Emblem'' had been viewed as a niche series and a secondary IP at best. After ''Awakening'' revived the series and made it more popular than ever, the last few years have seen ''Fire Emblem'' absolutely exploding in popularity, culminating in 6 playable characters in the newest Super Smash Bros game (on par with other high profile Nintendo IP such as Mario, Zelda and Pokemon), and as of 2017, ''Fire Emblem'' got its own special Nintendo Direct where it announced ''FOUR'' games were in the works to be released by the end of 2018. ''Fire Emblem'' has become a mainline IP for Nintendo, and people in the West are either overjoyed its finally come as far as it has, or are bitter about how its success is overshadowing other IP they consider more deserving, such as ''Metroid'', ''Donkey Kong'', ''F-Zero'' or ''Star Fox''.
3rd Dec '17 2:41:32 PM canidApath
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** Tharja-type characters, which are [[DarkActionGirl dark]], MsFanservice characters with {{yandere}} characteristics, particularly towards the main character. Many fans, particularly veterans, loathe these types of characters for being overly creepy and also view them as a sexist stereotype. They also hate them for being a sign of the franchise becoming "too anime". However, they also have many fans for their fanservicey qualities, and they often come with some of the funniest lines in the series.

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** Tharja-type characters, characters such as [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Camilla]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Loki]], which are [[DarkActionGirl dark]], MsFanservice characters with {{yandere}} characteristics, particularly towards the main character. Many fans, particularly veterans, loathe these types of characters for being overly creepy and also view them as a sexist stereotype. They also hate them for being a sign of the franchise becoming "too anime". However, they also have many fans for their fanservicey qualities, and they often come with some of the funniest lines in the series. The only character of this type that has escaped this is [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden Sonya]], who is a downplayed example of these types of characters.


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* FandomRivalry: As mentioned under BrokenBase, many of Nintendo's other niche fandoms, such as ''VideoGame/KidIcarus'', ''VideoGame/FZero'', and ''Franchise/DonkeyKong'' have a bone to pick with the Fire Emblem fandom out of jealousy for the attention that the franchise is receiving. The large amount of divisiveness in the fandom does nothing to help matters either.
28th Nov '17 11:26:09 AM Vos
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** The series as a whole is being hit with this more and more over time. Until ''Awakening'', ''Fire Emblem'' had been viewed as a niche series and a secondary IP at best. After ''Awakening'' revived the series and made it more popular than ever, the last few years have seen ''Fire Emblem'' absolutely exploding in popularity, culminating in 6 playable characters in the newest Super Smash Bros game (on par with other high profile Nintendo IP such as Mario, Zelda and Pokemon), and as of 2017, ''Fire Emblem'' got its own special Nintendo Direct where it announced ''FOUR'' games were in the works to be released by the end of 2018. ''Fire Emblem'' has become a mainline IP for Nintendo, and people in the West are either overjoyed its finally come as far as it has, or are bitter about how its success is overshadowing other IP they consider more deserving, such as ''Metroid'', ''Donkey Kong'', ''F-Zero'' and ''Star Fox''.

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** The series as a whole is being hit with this more and more over time. Until ''Awakening'', ''Fire Emblem'' had been viewed as a niche series and a secondary IP at best. After ''Awakening'' revived the series and made it more popular than ever, the last few years have seen ''Fire Emblem'' absolutely exploding in popularity, culminating in 6 playable characters in the newest Super Smash Bros game (on par with other high profile Nintendo IP such as Mario, Zelda and Pokemon), and as of 2017, ''Fire Emblem'' got its own special Nintendo Direct where it announced ''FOUR'' games were in the works to be released by the end of 2018. ''Fire Emblem'' has become a mainline IP for Nintendo, and people in the West are either overjoyed its finally come as far as it has, or are bitter about how its success is overshadowing other IP they consider more deserving, such as ''Metroid'', ''Donkey Kong'', ''F-Zero'' and or ''Star Fox''. Fox''.



* CultClassic: The people who actually have bought the pre-''Awakening Fire Emblem'' games and played it are reduced to a (very loyal) cult. Still to this day, people are still arguing over a tier list in [=FE9=] and [=FE10=]. In Japan, though, the series has been mainstream since the NES days.

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* CultClassic: The In Japan, though, the series has been mainstream since the NES days. Outside of Japan, the people who actually have bought the pre-''Awakening Fire Emblem'' games and played it are reduced to a (very loyal) cult. Still to this day, people are still arguing over a tier list in [=FE9=] and [=FE10=]. In Japan, though, the series has been mainstream since the NES days.
28th Nov '17 6:13:40 AM canidApath
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: The Camus archetype is divisive among the fanbase. Some love Camus-type characters for being a noble character among the antagonists and that by not being recruitable, their inevitable deaths provide an emotional weight to the story. Others dislike the archetype and deride Camus-type characters for being total idiots and being unable to see the error of their unsavory masters' ways, depending on how unsympathetic their masters are.

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The Camus archetype is divisive among the fanbase. Some love Camus-type characters for being a noble character among the antagonists and that by not being recruitable, their inevitable deaths provide an emotional weight to the story. Others dislike the archetype and deride Camus-type characters for being total idiots and being unable to see the error of their unsavory masters' ways, depending on how unsympathetic their masters are.
** Tharja-type characters, which are [[DarkActionGirl dark]], MsFanservice characters with {{yandere}} characteristics, particularly towards the main character. Many fans, particularly veterans, loathe these types of characters for being overly creepy and also view them as a sexist stereotype. They also hate them for being a sign of the franchise becoming "too anime". However, they also have many fans for their fanservicey qualities, and they often come with some of the funniest lines in the series.
16th Nov '17 7:42:53 AM SpaceDrake
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* CashCowFranchise: It hardly started as this, but ''Awakening'' in 2012/3 put the series on the road to being one of Nintendo's biggest [=IPs=]. 2017 was the year the dam really broke, with ''Shadows of Valentia'', ''Heroes'' and ''Warriors'' all landing that year (''[=SoV=]'' having the shortest mainline turnaround time in franchise history), with both packaged games selling very well and ''Heroes'' turning into a legitimate global phenomenon that could crack the top 5 grossing charts in America and contribute to Nintendo's bottom line so heavily that they discuss it at length in investor reports.
16th Nov '17 7:37:57 AM SpaceDrake
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* CashCowFranchise: It hardly started as this, but ''Awakening'' in 2012/3 put the series on the road to being one of Nintendo's biggest [=IPs=]. 2017 was the year the dam really broke, with ''Shadows of Valentia'', ''Heroes'' and ''Warriors'' all landing that year (''[=SoV=]'' having the shortest mainline turnaround time in franchise history), with both packaged games selling very well and ''Heroes'' turning into a legitimate global phenomenon that could crack the top 5 grossing charts in America and contribute to Nintendo's bottom line so heavily that they discuss it at length in investor reports.
12th Nov '17 3:50:48 AM MayIncon
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** Having to ''kill off your own characters'' to get sidequests in ''Shadow Dragon''. Needless to say, there was much rejoicing when it was revealed ''New Mystery'' would be doing away with this.

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** Having to ''kill off your own characters'' to get sidequests in ''Shadow Dragon''. Needless to say, there was much rejoicing when it was revealed ''New Mystery'' would be doing away with removed this.
12th Nov '17 3:48:28 AM MayIncon
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* MisBlamed: Many blame ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight Shadow Dragon]]'' as the cause of series' fall, using the fact that ''New Mystery'', its direct sequel, is not localized. It should be noted that the only ''Fire Emblem'' game that manage to have below average sales are, in fact, the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Tellius]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn duology]] - [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff at least in Japan]], ''Path of Radiance'' is the lowest-selling ''Fire Emblem'' game, with 156,000 units ''in total'' sold there.

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* MisBlamed: Many blame ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight Shadow Dragon]]'' as the cause of series' fall, using the fact that ''New Mystery'', its direct sequel, is not localized. It should be noted that the only ''Fire Emblem'' game that manage to have below average sales are, in fact, the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Tellius]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn duology]] - [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff at least in Japan]], ''Path of Radiance'' is the lowest-selling ''Fire Emblem'' game, with 156,000 units ''in total'' sold there.there, largely contributed by the series' InvisibleAdvertising at that point.
11th Nov '17 10:28:25 PM infernape612
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* CultClassic: the people who actually have bought the pre Awakening Fire Emblem games and played it are reduced to a (very loyal) cult. Still to this day, people are still arguing over a tier list in [=FE9=] and [=FE10=]. In Japan, though, the series has been mainstream since the NES days.

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* CultClassic: the The people who actually have bought the pre Awakening pre-''Awakening Fire Emblem Emblem'' games and played it are reduced to a (very loyal) cult. Still to this day, people are still arguing over a tier list in [=FE9=] and [=FE10=]. In Japan, though, the series has been mainstream since the NES days.



** It's common to refer to the powerful put unfortunately named Bolganone tome as "Bologna."

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** It's common to refer to the powerful put but unfortunately named Bolganone tome as "Bologna."



* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Western tend to prefer ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Holy War]]'' (mainly pre-export fans who enjoy the complexity), ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Blazing Sword]]'' (being the first ''Fire Emblem'' game outside of Japan with excellent localization and production values), or even ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones The Sacred Stones]]'' (among strategy fans [[FirstInstallmentWins "spoiled" by the genre's]] [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics more]] [[VideoGame/OgreBattle popular]] [[VideoGame/NintendoWars offerings]] who like the open-world map and lowered difficulty).
** The [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Tellius duology]] is also rather popular in the west, especially among more enthusiastic fans of strategy [=RPGs=] who desire a [[NintendoHard steeper challenge]] than the other games in the series.

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Western Westerners tend to prefer ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemGenealogyOfTheHolyWar Genealogy of the Holy War]]'' (mainly pre-export fans who enjoy the complexity), ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade The Blazing Sword]]'' Blade]]'' (being the first ''Fire Emblem'' game outside of Japan with excellent localization and production values), or even ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones The Sacred Stones]]'' (among strategy fans [[FirstInstallmentWins "spoiled" by the genre's]] [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics more]] [[VideoGame/OgreBattle popular]] [[VideoGame/NintendoWars offerings]] who like the open-world map and lowered difficulty).
** The [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Tellius [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Tellius]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn duology]] is also rather popular in the west, especially among more enthusiastic fans of strategy [=RPGs=] who desire a [[NintendoHard steeper challenge]] than the other games in the series.



* GoodBadBugs: ''Radiant Dawn'''s "fix" of the bonus XP system from ''Path of Radiance'' actually made the system more broken. While ''Path of Radiance'' was merely [[SaveScumming Save Scummable]], ''Radiant Dawn'' guarantees 3 (though only 3) stat gains per level up, even if all the stats most likely to grow are maxed. Consequently, characters with unbalanced growths (weak but speedy Vika, [[MightyGlacier slow but strong]] Aran, or [[SquishyWizard powerful but fragile]] Soren, for example) can use BEXP once they cap their good stats to improve their bad ones.

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* GoodBadBugs: ''Radiant Dawn'''s "fix" of the bonus XP system from ''Path of Radiance'' actually made the system more broken. While ''Path of Radiance'' was merely [[SaveScumming Save Scummable]], ''Radiant Dawn'' guarantees 3 (though only 3) stat gains per level up, even if all the stats most likely to grow are maxed. Consequently, characters with unbalanced growths (weak ([[FragileSpeedster weak but speedy speedy]] Vika, [[MightyGlacier slow but strong]] Aran, or [[SquishyWizard powerful but fragile]] Soren, for example) can use BEXP once they cap their good stats to improve their bad ones.



* HypeBacklash: ''Genealogy of the Holy War'' and ''Blazing Sword'' have started to show signs of this.
** A strange example of this combined with SeinfeldIsUnfunny hit with ''Shadow Dragon''. If you ask most people outside of Japan what their first ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' game was, most of them will say "''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Blazing Sword]]''". In between receiving ''Shadow Dragon'', we also received ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones'', and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius''... so a lot of people were expecting Marth's game to be like what we expected a ''Fire Emblem'' game to be. When ''Shadow Dragon'' was a "Back to basics" remake of the first game, a lot of people expressed disappointment because twenty-odd years of innovation had taken place in the meantime, and the game was showing its age.
* InternetBackdraft: ''Awakening'' caused a big NewbieBoom. Between being a very controversial title with large changes to the formula and storytelling, and being very popular overseas, it created a lot of tension. Mentioning that you're a ''Fire Emblem'' fan who came into the series with ''Awakening'' and only play it and Fates, is thus an excellent way to kick up a firestorm between newer and older players.

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* HypeBacklash: ''Genealogy of the Holy War'' and ''Blazing Sword'' ''The Blazing Blade'' have started to show signs of this.
** A strange example of this combined with SeinfeldIsUnfunny hit with ''Shadow Dragon''. If you ask most people outside of Japan what their first ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' game was, most of them will say "''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe "''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade The Blazing Sword]]''". Blade]]''". In between receiving ''Shadow Dragon'', we also received ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones'', ''VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance'', and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius''...''VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn''... so a lot of people were expecting Marth's game to be like what we expected a ''Fire Emblem'' game to be. When ''Shadow Dragon'' was a "Back to basics" remake of the first game, a lot of people expressed disappointment because twenty-odd years of innovation had taken place in the meantime, and the game was showing its age.
* InternetBackdraft: ''Awakening'' caused a big NewbieBoom. Between being a very controversial title with large changes to the formula and storytelling, and being very popular overseas, it created a lot of tension. Mentioning that you're a ''Fire Emblem'' fan who came into the series with ''Awakening'' and only play it and Fates, ''Fates'', is thus an excellent way to kick up a firestorm between newer and older players.



* MisBlamed: Many blame ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Shadow Dragon]]'' as the cause of series' fall, using the fact that ''New Mystery'', its direct sequel, is not localized. It should be noted that the only ''Fire Emblem'' game that manage to have below average sales are, in fact, [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius the Tellius duology]] - [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff at least in Japan]], ''Path of Radiance'' is the lowest-selling ''Fire Emblem'' game, with 156,000 units ''in total'' sold there.

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* MisBlamed: Many blame ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight Shadow Dragon]]'' as the cause of series' fall, using the fact that ''New Mystery'', its direct sequel, is not localized. It should be noted that the only ''Fire Emblem'' game that manage to have below average sales are, in fact, [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius the Tellius [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Tellius]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn duology]] - [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff at least in Japan]], ''Path of Radiance'' is the lowest-selling ''Fire Emblem'' game, with 156,000 units ''in total'' sold there.



* MostWonderfulSound: The ''ting'' of an enemy's weapon bouncing off of your unit for zero damage.

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* MostWonderfulSound: The ''ting'' of an enemy's weapon bouncing off of your unit for zero damage. ''The Binding Blade'' and ''New Mystery of the Emblem'' trade it in for an even more satisfying ''clang''.



* ScrappyMechanic: The concept of promotion can prove quite uneven: the gap in promotable classes between [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia FE 1 and FEDS]] clearly expresses just one example.

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* ScrappyMechanic: The concept of promotion can prove quite uneven: the gap in promotable classes between [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia FE 1 ''Shadow Dragon and FEDS]] the Blade of Light'' and its remake clearly expresses just one example.



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Akaenia was the series that was the TropeCodifier for this series, as well as the entire ''genre'' (Along with ''[[Franchise/ShiningSeries Shining Force]]'' and some games like ''VideoGame/NintendoWars''.) Most of the complaints for ''Shadow Dragon'' are pretty much this, as the remake was more of a straight up remake rather than a re-imagining.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Akaenia Archanea was the series that was the TropeCodifier for this series, as well as the entire ''genre'' (Along (along with ''[[Franchise/ShiningSeries Shining Force]]'' and some games like ''VideoGame/NintendoWars''.) ''VideoGame/NintendoWars''). Most of the complaints for ''Shadow Dragon'' are pretty much this, as the remake was more of a straight up remake rather than a re-imagining.



* TierInducedScrappy : Many characters with perfectly-good personalities and backstories get flak from the more gamist members of the community when they have poor classes, stats, or scaling. Conversely, some bland, or even unpleasant characters get away with it by being very useful in gameplay.

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* TierInducedScrappy : TierInducedScrappy: Many characters with perfectly-good personalities and backstories get flak from the more gamist members of the community when they have poor classes, stats, or scaling. Conversely, some bland, or even unpleasant characters get away with it by being very useful in gameplay.



** Est units, while typically popular among fans, tend to be ranked low on tier lists. In theory, with their higher than average growth rates, Est units should become your strongest units when given enough training. In practice, their typically terrible base stats combined with their late joining time make training them to competency a complete chore and a bad investment compared to a regular unit. Contrast this the Jaigen Archetypes, units that start out prepromoted with high base stats but with terrible exp gain and low growths. In almost every ''Fire Emblem'' game, the Jaigens can ride off their base stats until they drop off mid game (in which case then the hardest part of the game is already over) or in some cases never drop off at all and break the game over their knees (Seth, Titania, and [=FE7=] Marcus).

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** Est units, while typically popular among fans, tend to be ranked low on tier lists. In theory, with their higher than average growth rates, Est units should become your strongest units when given enough training. In practice, their typically terrible base stats combined with their late joining time make training them to competency a complete chore and a bad investment compared to a regular unit. Contrast this the Jaigen Jagen Archetypes, units that start out prepromoted with high base stats but with terrible exp gain and low growths. In almost every ''Fire Emblem'' game, the Jaigens Jagens can ride off their base stats until they drop off mid game (in which case then the hardest part of the game is already over) or in some cases never drop off at all and break the game over their knees (Seth, Titania, and [=FE7=] Marcus).
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