History YMMV / FireEmblem

9th Apr '18 11:47:38 PM dragonfire5000
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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** The Camus archetype is divisive among the fanbase. Some love Camus-type characters for being [[AntiVillain a noble character among the antagonists]] and that by not being recruitable, their inevitable deaths provide [[PlayerPunch an emotional weight]] to the story. Others dislike the archetype and deride Camus-type characters for being [[TooDumbToLive total idiots]] and [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter being unable to see the error of their unsavory masters' ways]], depending on how unsympathetic their masters are. [[FranchiseOriginalSin Camus himself gets away with this for the most part]], for being the first one of the archetype, his master being practically non-existent and [[spoiler:he survives to be playable in ''Gaiden'' and ''Mystery'']].
** Tharja-type characters such as [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Camilla]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Loki]], which are [[DarkActionGirl dark]], MsFanservice characters with {{yandere}} characteristics, particularly towards the main character. Many fans, particularly veterans, loathe these types of characters for being overly creepy and also view them as a sexist stereotype. They also hate them for being a sign of the franchise becoming "too anime" and BestKnownForTheFanservice. However, they also have many fans for their fanservicey qualities, and they often come with some of the funniest lines in the series. The only character of this type that has escaped this is [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden Sonya]], who is a downplayed example of these types of characters.
** The tier system has made any and all members of the [[MagikarpPower Est archetype]] grounds for countless holy wars.
2nd Apr '18 7:57:20 AM infernape612
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* HypeBacklash:
** A strange example of this combined with SeinfeldIsUnfunny hit with ''Shadow Dragon''. If you ask most people outside of Japan what their first ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' game was, most of them will say "''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade The Blazing Blade]]''". In between receiving ''Shadow Dragon'', we also received ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones'', ''VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance'', and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn''... so a lot of people were expecting Marth's game to be like what we expected a ''Fire Emblem'' game to be. When ''Shadow Dragon'' was a "Back to basics" remake of the first game, a lot of people expressed disappointment because twenty-odd years of innovation had taken place in the meantime, and the game was showing its age.

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* HypeBacklash:
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HypeBacklash: A strange example of this combined with SeinfeldIsUnfunny hit with ''Shadow Dragon''. If you ask most people outside of Japan what their first ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' game was, most of them will say "''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade The Blazing Blade]]''". In between receiving ''Shadow Dragon'', we also received ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones'', ''VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance'', and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn''... so a lot of people were expecting Marth's game to be like what we expected a ''Fire Emblem'' game to be. When ''Shadow Dragon'' was a "Back to basics" remake of the first game, a lot of people expressed disappointment because twenty-odd years of innovation had taken place in the meantime, and the game was showing its age.
2nd Apr '18 7:54:57 AM infernape612
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** Ashnard in ''Path of Radiance'' doesn't revive with the power of Lehran's Medallion unless you fight him on Hard or the Japanese Maniac mode. Not playing on hard also has your [[EleventhHourSuperpower Requested Laguz Royal]] join at the beginning of the final stage (instead of appearing after Ashnard's resurrection,) making the final stage a cakewalk on Easy or Normal.

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** Ashnard in ''Path of Radiance'' doesn't revive with the power of Lehran's Medallion unless you fight him on Hard or the Japanese Maniac mode. Not playing on hard also has your [[EleventhHourSuperpower Requested Laguz Royal]] join at the beginning of the final stage (instead of appearing after Ashnard's resurrection,) resurrection), making the final stage a cakewalk on Easy or Normal.
2nd Apr '18 7:53:14 AM infernape612
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: "Battle Preparations" in ''The Blazing Sword.'' You've just decided to assault the VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon, the fate of the world hangs in the balance, [[spoiler:Hector has just learned that his brother has died]]... and then without warning, an unexpected lesson in economics and trade. "[...] as Marquess Ostia, he gave a scathing indictment of the peer system." -- ''What?''

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: "Battle Preparations" in ''The Blazing Sword.'' Blade''. You've just decided to assault the VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon, the fate of the world hangs in the balance, [[spoiler:Hector has just learned that his brother has died]]... and then without warning, an unexpected lesson in economics and trade. "[...] as Marquess Ostia, he gave a scathing indictment of the peer system." -- ''What?''



** Which is the best game in the series? The debate usually comes down to ''Blazing Sword'', ''Path of Radiance'' or ''Awakening'', which are all preferred by different demographics. Sometimes fans of the former two team up against ''Awakening'', while other times it's a three-way split. ''Genealogy of the Holy War'' is also a contender (and one that causes a ''four''-way split for predating the Western localization of the series), albeit a less frequent one due to its obscurity.

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** Which is the best game in the series? The debate usually comes down to ''Blazing Sword'', ''The Blazing Blade'', ''Path of Radiance'' or ''Awakening'', which are all preferred by different demographics. Sometimes fans of the former two team up against ''Awakening'', while other times it's a three-way split. ''Genealogy of the Holy War'' is also a contender (and one that causes a ''four''-way split for predating the Western localization of the series), albeit a less frequent one due to its obscurity.



* ShipToShipCombat: Every single game. Example: In ''The Blazing Sword'', the Lyn x Hector vs Eliwood vs Kent vs Rath vs Florina + whatever else comes to mind. And please, for the love of peace on the internet, do not bring up Roy's heritage...

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* ShipToShipCombat: Every single game. Example: In ''The Blazing Sword'', Blade'', the Lyn x Hector vs Eliwood vs Kent vs Rath vs Florina + whatever else comes to mind. And please, for the love of peace on the internet, do not bring up Roy's heritage...
2nd Apr '18 7:52:20 AM infernape612
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** For the US release, (not sure if it happens in others,) Ashnard in ''Path of Radiance'' doesn't revive with the power of Lehran's Medallion unless you fight him on hard mode. Not playing on hard also has your [[EleventhHourSuperpower Requested Laguz Royal]] join at the beginning of the final stage (instead of appearing after Ashnard's resurrection,) making the final stage a cakewalk on Easy or Normal.
*** In the Japanese version of the game, Ashard only goes Berserk on Hard and Maniac mode, so he's still a cakewalk on Normal mode there.
** There are countless stories of people beating the Dragon in Blazing Sword by equipping Canas or Athos with [[GameBreaker Luna]].

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** For the US release, (not sure if it happens in others,) Ashnard in ''Path of Radiance'' doesn't revive with the power of Lehran's Medallion unless you fight him on hard Hard or the Japanese Maniac mode. Not playing on hard also has your [[EleventhHourSuperpower Requested Laguz Royal]] join at the beginning of the final stage (instead of appearing after Ashnard's resurrection,) making the final stage a cakewalk on Easy or Normal.
*** In the Japanese version of the game, Ashard only goes Berserk on Hard and Maniac mode, so he's still a cakewalk on Normal mode there.
** There are countless stories of people beating the Dragon in ''The Blazing Sword Blade'' by equipping Canas or Athos with [[GameBreaker Luna]].
22nd Mar '18 5:01:23 PM Monsund
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* CasualCompetitiveConflict: ''Awakening'' and ''Fates'' have caused a rift in the fanbase similar to this. Those two games are seen as more "casual" due to the sheer amount of content and freedom offering high-headroom paths to success beyond pure tactics, while older games are more "competitive" due to their linearity and focus on strategy requiring greater discipline on the player's part to win.
20th Mar '18 2:01:18 PM Monsund
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** ''Genealogy of the Holy War'', ''The Blazing Blade'' and the Tellius games have started to show signs of this, namely from fans that started on the franchise with ''Awakening'' after being pressured by fans of the former games to play those, as well. Likewise, ''Awakening'' itself suffers from this in a more ItsPopularNowItSucks sort of way due to being the game that finally brought the franchise into the mainstream, but clashing with older fans disagreeing with the more accessible gameplay ''Awakening'' has, as well as its emphasis on the marriage system, allowing it to respectively attract casual players and "waifu" fans into the game that would've otherwise ignored it and previous titles, much to the annoyance to the older games' fans.
7th Mar '18 3:05:12 PM Chasem
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* CounterpartComparison: The series is often considered Nintendo's answer to ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' (which becomes HilariousInHindsight with ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros''), as a modular JRPG franchise with an anime artstyle largely focusing on fantastical elements where the games are unconnected. Rough comparisons can be drawn between the characters of each franchise in terms of design, personality, role and popularity, such as Marth with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyI the Warrior]] [[VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy of Light]], Ike with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud Strife]], the Tellius villains (the Black Knight, Sephiran and Ashera) with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]], and Lucina with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII Lightning]].

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* CounterpartComparison: The series is often considered Nintendo's answer to ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' (which becomes HilariousInHindsight with ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros''), as a modular JRPG franchise with an anime artstyle largely focusing on fantastical elements where the games are unconnected. Rough comparisons can be drawn between the characters of each franchise in terms of design, personality, role and popularity, such as Marth with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyI the Warrior]] [[VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy of Light]], Lyn with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI Terra Branford]], Ike with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud Strife]], the Tellius villains (the Black Knight, Sephiran and Ashera) with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]], and Lucina with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII Lightning]].
7th Mar '18 3:04:14 PM Chasem
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* CounterpartComparison: The series is often considered Nintendo's answer to ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' (which becomes HilariousInHindsight with ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros''), as a modular JRPG franchise with an anime artstyle largely focusing on fantastical elements where the games are unconnected. Rough comparisons can be drawn between the characters of each franchise in terms of design, personality, role and popularity, such as Marth with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyI the Warrior]] [[VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy of Light]], Ike with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud Strife]], the Black Knight, Sephiran and Ashera) with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]], and Lucina with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII Lightning]].

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* CounterpartComparison: The series is often considered Nintendo's answer to ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' (which becomes HilariousInHindsight with ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros''), as a modular JRPG franchise with an anime artstyle largely focusing on fantastical elements where the games are unconnected. Rough comparisons can be drawn between the characters of each franchise in terms of design, personality, role and popularity, such as Marth with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyI the Warrior]] [[VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy of Light]], Ike with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud Strife]], the Tellius villains (the Black Knight, Sephiran and Ashera) with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]], and Lucina with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII Lightning]].
7th Mar '18 3:03:52 PM Chasem
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* CounterpartComparison: The series is often considered Nintendo's answer to ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' (which becomes HilariousInHindsight with ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros''), as a modular JRPG franchise with an anime artstyle largely focusing on fantastical elements where the games are unconnected. Rough comparisons can be drawn between the characters of each franchise in terms of design, personality, role and popularity, such as Marth with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyI the Warrior]] [[VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy of Light]], Ike with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud Strife]], the Black Knight, Sephiran and Ashera) with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]], and Lucina with [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII Lightning]].
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