History YMMV / FinalFantasyIVTheAfterYears

23rd Sep '15 4:14:56 PM DrakeClawfang
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** Porom's Challenge Dungeon. Being a white mage, you're meant to help various {{NPC}}s by healing them, giving them items, saving them from monsters and putting wayward spirits to rest. But the monsters that are encountered are very powerful, you have a time limit of 15 minutes, and the placement of spirits, {{NPC}}s and your starting location is random. Furthermore, the spirits don't even appear unless you speak to the right {{NPC}}s. Some of the enemies you need to fight include Mad Ogres, magic-resistant monsters encountered at a time when you have three mages and one physical fighter. [=NPCs=] also bleed you dry asking for expensive pieces of equipment and wanting Esuna cast on them five times or more, draining Porom of 100 MP because she has to be the one to cast it, instead of the generic White Mage you also have in your party who also knows the spell. The most annoying part is that even if you help everyone, you're still not guaranteed to get a good item, and all but 1 of them can be gotten elsewhere with infinitely less frustration.
*** Mad Ogres only resist direct magical damage. They are surprisingly vulnerable to status effects, so Black Mage can incapacitate them with Sleep or Stop. And once Porom learns Mini...

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** Porom's Challenge Dungeon. Being a white mage, you're meant to help various {{NPC}}s by healing them, giving them items, saving them from monsters and putting wayward spirits to rest. But the monsters that are encountered are very powerful, you have a time limit of 15 minutes, and the placement of spirits, {{NPC}}s and your starting location is random. Furthermore, the spirits don't even appear unless you speak to the right {{NPC}}s. Some of the enemies you need to fight include Mad Ogres, magic-resistant monsters encountered at a time when you have three mages and one physical fighter. [=NPCs=] also bleed you dry asking for expensive pieces of equipment and wanting Esuna cast on them five times or more, draining Porom of 100 MP because she has to be the one to cast it, instead of the generic White Mage you also have in your party who also knows the spell. The most annoying part is that even if you help everyone, you're still not guaranteed to get a good item, and all but 1 of them can be gotten elsewhere with infinitely less frustration.
*** Mad Ogres only resist direct magical damage. They are surprisingly vulnerable to status effects, so Black Mage can incapacitate them with Sleep or Stop. And once Porom learns Mini...
frustration.
23rd Sep '15 3:08:18 PM Helbinor
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*** Mad Ogres only resist direct damage. They are surprisingly vulnerable to status effects, so Black Mage can incapacitate them with Sleep or Stop. And once Porom learns Mini...

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*** Mad Ogres only resist direct magical damage. They are surprisingly vulnerable to status effects, so Black Mage can incapacitate them with Sleep or Stop. And once Porom learns Mini...
23rd Sep '15 3:07:35 PM Helbinor
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*** Mad Ogres only resist direct damage. They are surprisingly vulnerable to status effects, so Black Mage can incapacitate them with Sleep or Stop. And once Porom learns Mini...
18th Sep '15 3:00:06 PM DrakeClawfang
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** Luca. Since when has ''Final Fantasy'' had a female character who wasn't fan service, contributed a lot to the plot, and was well written and extremely likable.
** In order, Lenna, Faris, Krile, Terra, Celes, Aerith, Garnet, Yuna, Lulu, Ashe. And that's just the main series and before 2008.

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** Luca. Since when has ''Final Fantasy'' had a female character who wasn't fan service, contributed a lot to the plot, and was well written and extremely likable.
** In order, Lenna, Faris, Krile, Terra, Celes, Aerith, Garnet, Yuna, Lulu, Ashe. And
Luca, for being an effective AscendedExtra that's just a powerful party member with a non-fanservicey design (uncommon for the main series series) and before 2008.a humorous crush on Palom.
18th Sep '15 2:41:20 PM DarkHawk
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** In order, Lenna, Faris, Krile, Terra, Celes, Aerith, Garnet, Yuna, Lulu, Ashe. And that's just the main series and before 2008.
11th Aug '15 8:22:07 PM Raikoh
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* NightmareFuel: The final boss, [[spoiler:[[BigBad The Creator.]] Whereas most final bosses in the series build up to an epic final battle that indicate just how hectic things will get, this time around you're against an entity that is practically EldritchAbomination with steadily decreasing sanity, a horror-esque ambiance that pulls no punches, and, by the end of it all, a relentless and destructive foe repeatedly attacking and chasing after you which you seemingly ''cannot kill'' until a HeroicSacrifice finally makes him vulnerable.]]
21st Jun '15 8:34:08 PM MeiwakunaBoku
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* {{Fanon}}: There are plenty of fanworks depicting Edge and Rydia [[spoiler:being Cuore's parents]] due to the many ship tease moments between the two and Rydia [[spoiler:raising the last surviving Maenad.]] The ending credits in the IOS version fuels this up.
4th May '15 6:32:01 AM MinisterOfSinister
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* TheScrappy: Despite being an actually pretty decent character, you'll find few fans who like Ceodore all that much. It probably doesn't help that he seems to draw more from [[WhiteMagicianGirl Rosa]] than he does [[LightningBruiser Cecil]].

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* TheScrappy: Despite being an actually being a pretty decent character, you'll find few fans who like Ceodore all that much. It probably doesn't help is understandable, though; he's a PinballProtagonist who barely affects the plot at all, has very little personal growth when compared to returning characters and is so average that he seems to draw predicatably gets {{overshadowed by|Awesome}} more from [[WhiteMagicianGirl Rosa]] specialised characters who have less versatility but more raw power in a specific niche.
* ScrappyMechanic: The Moon Phase System. When the moon is at a certain phase, it alters a character's stats. If your main party consists of a certain warrior class, you'll be finding yourself wasting Tents until you get the moon phase you need. If that weren't enough, it sometimes changes at random moments rather
than he does [[LightningBruiser Cecil]].using a Tent.



* ScrappyMechanic: The Moon Phase System. When the moon is at a certain phase, it alters a character's stats. If your main party consists of a certain warrior class, you'll be finding yourself wasting Tents until you get the moon phase you need. If that weren't enough, it also changes at set time intervals if one goes too long without using a tent or inn.


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* TierInducedScrappy: Harvey and the Calcabrina dolls; Harvey's abilities are fairly sub-optimal, the twins both have terrible stats that can only be reasonably increased using equipment found [[LateCharacterSyndrome right at the very end of the game]] and all three have a low number of bands, many (if not most) of which require ill-advised character builds and party combinations to put together, which leaves them at the bottom of the party ladder for pretty much all players once The Gathering comes around.
28th Apr '15 9:14:54 AM GunarmDyne
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* ScrappyMechanic: The Moon Phase System. When the moon is at a certain phase, it alters a character's stats. If your main party consists of a certain warrior class, you'll be finding yourself wasting Tents until you get the moon phase you need. If that weren't enough, it sometimes changes at random moments rather than using a Tent.

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* ScrappyMechanic: The Moon Phase System. When the moon is at a certain phase, it alters a character's stats. If your main party consists of a certain warrior class, you'll be finding yourself wasting Tents until you get the moon phase you need. If that weren't enough, it sometimes also changes at random moments rather than set time intervals if one goes too long without using a Tent.tent or inn.
24th Jan '15 10:18:08 AM DrakeClawfang
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* AwesomeMusic: The new music tracks generally got a warm reception, particularly [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUQ2pe_3Mcs The Eidolons Shackled]], the Mysterious Girl's BossRemix of her theme.



* ThatOneLevel: Porom's [[BonusDungeon Challenge Dungeon]]. Being a white mage, you're meant to help various {{NPC}}s by healing them, giving them items, saving them from monsters and putting wayward spirits to rest. But the monsters that are encountered are very powerful, you have a time limit of 15 minutes, and the placement of spirits, {{NPC}}s and your starting location is random. Furthermore, the spirits don't even appear unless you speak to the right {{NPC}}s. Some of the enemies you need to fight include Mad Ogres, magic-resistant monsters encountered at a time when you have three mages and one physical fighter. [=NPCs=] also bleed you dry asking for expensive pieces of equipment and wanting Esuna cast on them five times or more, draining Porom of 100 MP because she has to be the one to cast it, instead of the generic White Mage you also have in your party who also knows the spell. The most annoying part is that even if you help everyone, you're still not guaranteed to get a good item, and all but 1 of them can be gotten elsewhere with infinitely less frustration.
** Rydia's Challenge Dungeon can get pretty nasty too. The enemies inside use counterattacks like Blaster or Entice to disable a party member (keeping in mind you only have two party members total), their physical blows pack a punch, and you have no WhiteMage to buff or heal you, so you need to rely on Hi-Potions. Furthermore the dungeon is full of {{Degraded Boss}}es, namely Trap Doors and Demon Walls, and is a maze with many passages leading to dead ends, and if you [[LuckBasedMission pick the wrong rope]] in a room where you need to use them to advance further, you can get up to 3 difficult battles in a row with no chance to heal between them. The going is made easier with Bio, Rydia's DiskOneNuke, but even then she'll quickly run out of MP. There's a good reason that after every floor you find a save point--between the powerful attacks of enemies and Rydia's Bio spam being the best offense you have, if you weren't allowed to heal regularly you'd never get through it.

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* ThatOneLevel: The Challenge Dungeons easily fit into the BrutalBonusLevel mold, but a few are particularly painful.
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Porom's [[BonusDungeon Challenge Dungeon]].Dungeon. Being a white mage, you're meant to help various {{NPC}}s by healing them, giving them items, saving them from monsters and putting wayward spirits to rest. But the monsters that are encountered are very powerful, you have a time limit of 15 minutes, and the placement of spirits, {{NPC}}s and your starting location is random. Furthermore, the spirits don't even appear unless you speak to the right {{NPC}}s. Some of the enemies you need to fight include Mad Ogres, magic-resistant monsters encountered at a time when you have three mages and one physical fighter. [=NPCs=] also bleed you dry asking for expensive pieces of equipment and wanting Esuna cast on them five times or more, draining Porom of 100 MP because she has to be the one to cast it, instead of the generic White Mage you also have in your party who also knows the spell. The most annoying part is that even if you help everyone, you're still not guaranteed to get a good item, and all but 1 of them can be gotten elsewhere with infinitely less frustration.
** Rydia's Challenge Dungeon can get pretty nasty too.Dungeon. The enemies inside use counterattacks like Blaster or Entice to disable a party member (keeping in mind you only have two party members total), their physical blows pack a punch, and you have no WhiteMage to buff or heal you, so you need to rely on Hi-Potions. Furthermore the dungeon is full of {{Degraded Boss}}es, namely Trap Doors and Demon Walls, and is a maze with many passages leading to dead ends, and if you [[LuckBasedMission pick the wrong rope]] in a room where you need to use them to advance further, you can get up to 3 difficult battles in a row with no chance to heal between them. The going is made easier with Bio, Rydia's DiskOneNuke, but even then she'll quickly run out of MP. MP for it and your precious Ethers and her Osmose won't do much to prolong her longevity. There's a good reason that after every floor you find a save point--between the powerful attacks of enemies and Rydia's Bio spam being the best offense you have, if you weren't allowed to heal regularly you'd never get through it.stop and rest regularly, the dungeon would be nearly impossible.
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