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* SeasonalRot: Most fans would agree that the series had definitely run its course by the final couple seasons. The writers were clearly grasping at straws by this point, as seen in the heavy flanderization of Ray and Debra. It didn't help that Peter Boyle, who played EnsembleDarkHorse Frank, was in seriously failing health by the show's end and had lost much of the comedic timing that made the character so funny.

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* FunnyAneurysm: In one episode, there is a rather unpleasant scene where Ray tells Debra that he found out that their daughter Ally has been bullying another girl on the school bus. Debra shrugs it off, saying she doesn't think it's a big deal and that it's just kids being kids. When Ray asserts that bullying is indeed a big deal and notes that he and Robert are still scarred from their own experiences, Debra smirks and calls him a wuss, and then starts calling Ray names while the studio audience laughs, this scene is considerably less funny today due to the rash of bullying-related suicides and murders over the past few years.

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* FunnyAneurysm: In one episode, there is a rather unpleasant scene where Ray tells Debra that he found out that their daughter Ally has been bullying another girl a classmate on the school bus. Debra shrugs it off, saying she doesn't think it's a big deal and that it's just kids being kids. When Ray asserts that bullying is indeed a big deal and notes that he and Robert are still scarred from their own experiences, Debra smirks and calls him a wuss, and then starts calling Ray names while the studio audience laughs, this scene is considerably less funny today due to the rash of bullying-related suicides and murders over the past few years.


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** In the episode "Fairies", Ray feels uncomfortable after hearing about Michael and Geoffrey being cast as the eponymous fairies in a school play but changes his tune when the twins chose to play fairies, Ray's initial attitude would be perceived as insensitive towards unconventional gender roles by today's standards.
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** Robert. He might of gotten a raw deal of being the unfavorite to Ray, but some of his resentment towards him can be unnecessarily mean. At one point he admits that he sometimes prays to God for Ray to fail. And was actually happy when he does.

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** Robert. He might of have gotten a raw deal of being the unfavorite to Ray, but some of his resentment towards him can be unnecessarily mean. At one point he admits that he sometimes prays to God for Ray to fail. And was actually happy when he does.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: In the later seasons especially, Ray, Robert, Debra, Marie and Frank are at constant odds with one another (whose on which side varies between episodes) -- each an UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist in their own right.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: In the later seasons especially, Ray, Robert, Debra, Marie and Frank are at constant odds with one another (whose (who's on which side varies between episodes) -- each an UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist in their own right.
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** Jokes about Ray's big nose or nasally voice don't seem quite so funny when you see the finale and find out Ray's adenoids need to be removed.
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** Frank's sexism and homophobia were generally PlayedForLaughs and shrugged off as the musings of an ignorant old man. These scenes can be somewhat cringe-inducing 15-20 years later, notably the episode where he implied that he would disown Robert if Robert turned out to be gay. However, Frank could also be a case of FairForItsDay, given that he was from the same generation as [[series:AllInTheFamily Archie Bunker]] but was nowhere near as nasty and intolerant.

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** Frank's sexism and homophobia were generally PlayedForLaughs and shrugged off as the musings of an ignorant old man. These scenes can be somewhat cringe-inducing 15-20 years later, notably the episode where he implied that he would disown Robert if Robert turned out to be gay. However, Frank could also be a case of FairForItsDay, given that he was from the same generation as [[series:AllInTheFamily Archie Bunker]] Bunker but was nowhere near as nasty and intolerant.
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** Frank's sexism and homophobia were generally PlayedForLaughs and shrugged off as the musings of an ignorant old man. These scenes can be somewhat cringe-inducing 15-20 years later, notably the episode where he implied that he would disown Robert if Robert turned out to be gay. However, Frank could also be a case of FairForItsDay, given that he was from the same generation as [[series:AllInTheFamily Archie Bunker]] but was nowhere near as nasty and intolerant.
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** "I Wish I Were Gus" is one of the biggest offenders here. There was no reason in the world that Marie couldn't have gone to the funeral and ignored Alda, but RuleOfFunny dictated that they HAD to sit in the same pew.
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* MST3KMantra: If you start to pick the series apart, it becomes painfully obvious that 99% of the show's conflicts can be easily resolved...for instance, simply locking the goddamn doors would keep the elder Barones out of the house. That being said, there is obviously no comedy in that.
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* ValuesDissonance: The show made a big deal out of Robert living with his parents into his forties. Thanks to the 2008 recession, which we're still feeling to an extent today, the idea of someone living with their parents to save money doesn't seem so odd.

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* ValuesDissonance: The show made a big deal out of Robert living with his parents into his forties. Thanks to the 2008 recession, Great Recession, which we're still feeling to an extent today, the idea of someone living with their parents to save money doesn't seem so odd.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Frank, whose snarky behavior brought forth many FunnyMoments.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Frank, whose snarky behavior brought forth many FunnyMoments.SugarWiki/FunnyMoments.

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** Also, when Robert and Amy are about to have sex for the first time in "Robert Moves Back," Robert tells his pet dog Shamsky to "beat it." The dog is then [[ActorExistenceFailure never seen again after this scene]].



** Also, when Robert and Amy are about to have sex for the first time in "Robert Moves Back," Robert tells his pet dog Shamsky to "beat it." The dog is then [[ActorExistenceFailure never seen again after this scene]].
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** Frank, of all people, can fall into this as well. For example, in "Pet the Bunny", Frank becomes outraged when Ray adds a story of him petting Ray's childhood bunny to his eulogy. While Frank is portrayed negatively for his behavior, Ray really had no right to mention Frank's private affairs to others without his permission, and the rest of his family, especially Marie, treats the story like it's everybody's business, even after Frank had made it clear he doesn't care to remember it.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: When Debra forced Ray into going to marriage counseling, it could have been a great opportunity to explore Debra's faults and emotional problems, especially her lack of interest in sex. Instead, it turned out to be a pretty standard episode with Ray moping and complaining until everything is finally swept under the rug at the end of the episode.

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* HilariousInHindsight: When Robert and Amy are about to have sex for the first time in "Robert Moves Back," Robert tells his pet dog Shamsky to "beat it." The dog is then [[ActorExistenceFailure never seen again after this scene]].

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* HilariousInHindsight: When A running joke in the series is how Debra is a bad cook. Debra's actress, Patricia Heaton, would later go on to host a cooking show, which would win an Emmy award for Outstanding Culinary Program.
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Robert and Amy are about to have sex for the first time in "Robert Moves Back," Robert tells his pet dog Shamsky to "beat it." The dog is then [[ActorExistenceFailure never seen again after this scene]].
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** Debra. Marie's criticisms of her can be incredibly venomous and nasty at times, to the point where we ''should'' be able to sympathise with Debra -- but her own {{Jerkass}}ery towards Ray often mitigates that.
** Robert. He might of gotten a raw deal of being the unfavorite to Ray, but some of his resentment towards him can be unneccesary mean. At one point he admits that he sometimes pray to God for Ray to fail. And was actually happy when he does.

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** Debra. Marie's criticisms of her can be incredibly venomous and nasty at times, to the point where we ''should'' be able to sympathise sympathize with Debra -- but her own {{Jerkass}}ery towards Ray often mitigates that.
** Robert. He might of gotten a raw deal of being the unfavorite to Ray, but some of his resentment towards him can be unneccesary unnecessarily mean. At one point he admits that he sometimes pray prays to God for Ray to fail. And was actually happy when he does.
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** Robert. He might of gotten a raw deal of being the unfavorite to Ray, but some of his resentment towards him can be unneccesary mean. At one point he admits that he sometimes prays to God for Ray to fail. And was actually happy when he does.

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** Robert. He might of gotten a raw deal of being the unfavorite to Ray, but some of his resentment towards him can be unneccesary mean. At one point he admits that he sometimes prays pray to God for Ray to fail. And was actually happy when he does.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Debra. Marie's criticisms of her can be incredibly venomous and nasty at times, to the point where we ''should'' be able to sympathise with Debra -- but her own {{Jerkass}}ery towards Ray often mitigates that.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
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Debra. Marie's criticisms of her can be incredibly venomous and nasty at times, to the point where we ''should'' be able to sympathise with Debra -- but her own {{Jerkass}}ery towards Ray often mitigates that.that.
** Robert. He might of gotten a raw deal of being the unfavorite to Ray, but some of his resentment towards him can be unneccesary mean. At one point he admits that he sometimes prays to God for Ray to fail. And was actually happy when he does.
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** Is Ray a hardworking, basically good guy whose bitch of a wife won't give him a break, or a lazy Jerkass who won't lift a finger to help at home?

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** Is Ray a hardworking, basically good guy whose bitch nag of a wife won't give him a break, or a lazy Jerkass {{Jerkass}} who won't lift a finger to help at home?
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** Is Debra a bitch {{hypocrite}} who doesn't appreciate the nice life Ray has built for her, or a put-upon housewife who gets no help from anybody?

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** Is Debra a bitch {{hypocrite}} who doesn't appreciate the nice life Ray has built for her, or a put-upon housewife who gets no help from anybody?
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** Is Debra a bitch hypocrite who doesn't appreciate the nice life Ray has built for her, or a put-upon housewife who gets no help from anybody?

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** Is Debra a bitch hypocrite {{hypocrite}} who doesn't appreciate the nice life Ray has built for her, or a put-upon housewife who gets no help from anybody?
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** However, even though Musso does have a right to not like Ray, and despite the fact that he was polite to Ray before admitting the truth, it should be noted that he also told Ray that he should be the co-host of his show, despite not being a fan of his, while completely denying that he wasn't to Ray. With that said, Robert may not have been justified in standing up to Musso so much because he hated Ray as because of his insincerity about the whole matter, as while Musso did try to be nice, it may as well have been a setup to humiliate Ray in the future, which, judging by Musso's attitude, may not have been very beneath him.

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** However, even though Musso does have a right to not like Ray, and despite the fact that he was polite to Ray before admitting the truth, it should be noted that he also told Ray that he should be the co-host of his show, despite not being a fan of his, while completely denying that he wasn't to Ray.a fan of Ray's. With that said, Robert may not have been justified in standing up to Musso so much because he hated Ray as because of his insincerity about the whole matter, as while Musso did try to be nice, it may as well have been a setup to humiliate Ray in the future, which, judging by Musso's attitude, may not have been very beneath him.
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** However, even though Musso does have a right to not like Ray, and despite the fact that he was polite to Ray before admitting the truth, it should be noted that he also told Ray that he should be the co-host of his show, despite not being a fan of his, while completely denying that he wasn't to Ray. With that said, Robert may not have been justified in standing up to Musso so much because he hated Ray as because of his insincerity about the whole matter, as while Musso did try to be nice, it may as well have been a setup to humiliate Ray in the future, which, judging by Musso's attitude, may not have been very beneath him.
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* DesignatedVillain: Jerry Musso in "Somebody Hates Raymond". While definitely arrogant, he nonetheless doesn't even dislike Ray personally; the former just doesn't find the latter's work entertaining, something which falls under freedom of opinion instead of anything actually evil, and though he comes across as rather harsh towards Ray when forced to tell the truth, it's mostly because he loses patience with Ray nagging him about the reason for his disliking. Furthermore, Musso has every right to decide who's allowed to guest-host ''his'' show and who's not. Nevertheless, the episode seemingly vilifies him as someone so bad that even Robert, himself at odds with Ray throughout most of the episode, is ultimately appalled enough to give him a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech for Ray's sake (granted, it ''is'' awesome and heartwarming at the same time, though).

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* DesignatedVillain: Jerry Musso in "Somebody Hates Raymond". While definitely arrogant, he nonetheless doesn't even dislike Ray personally; the former just doesn't find the latter's work entertaining, something which falls under freedom of opinion instead of anything actually evil, and though he comes does come across as rather harsh towards Ray when forced to tell the truth, it's mostly because he loses patience with Ray nagging him about the reason for his disliking. Furthermore, Musso has every right to decide who's allowed to guest-host ''his'' show and who's not. Nevertheless, the episode seemingly vilifies him as someone so bad that even Robert, himself at odds with Ray throughout most of the episode, is ultimately appalled enough to give him a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech for Ray's sake (granted, it ''is'' awesome and heartwarming at the same time, though).
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* DesignatedVillain: Jerry Musso in "Somebody Hates Raymond". While definitely arrogant, he nonetheless doesn't even dislike Ray personally; the former just doesn't find the latter's work entertaining, something which falls under freedom of opinion instead of anything actually evil, and though he comes across as rather harsh towards Ray when forced to tell the truth, it's more because he loses patience with Ray nagging him about the reason for his disliking. Furthermore, Musso has every right to decide who's allowed to guest-host ''his'' show and who's not. Nevertheless, the episode seemingly vilifies him as someone so bad that even Robert, himself at odds with Ray throughout most of the episode, is ultimately appalled enough to give him a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech for Ray's sake (granted, it ''is'' awesome and heartwarming at the same time, though).

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* DesignatedVillain: Jerry Musso in "Somebody Hates Raymond". While definitely arrogant, he nonetheless doesn't even dislike Ray personally; the former just doesn't find the latter's work entertaining, something which falls under freedom of opinion instead of anything actually evil, and though he comes across as rather harsh towards Ray when forced to tell the truth, it's more mostly because he loses patience with Ray nagging him about the reason for his disliking. Furthermore, Musso has every right to decide who's allowed to guest-host ''his'' show and who's not. Nevertheless, the episode seemingly vilifies him as someone so bad that even Robert, himself at odds with Ray throughout most of the episode, is ultimately appalled enough to give him a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech for Ray's sake (granted, it ''is'' awesome and heartwarming at the same time, though).
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* DesignatedVillain: Jerry Musso in "Somebody Hates Raymond". While definitely arrogant, he nonetheless doesn't even dislike Ray personally; the former just doesn't find the latter's work entertaining, something which falls under freedom of opinion instead of anything actually evil, and he simply loses patience with Ray nagging him about the reason for his disliking. Furthermore, Musso has every right to decide who's allowed to guest-host ''his'' show and who's not. Nevertheless, the episode seemingly vilifies him as someone so bad that even Robert, himself at odds with Ray throughout most of the episode, is ultimately appalled enough to give him a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech for Ray's sake (granted, it ''is'' awesome and heartwarming at the same time, though).

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* DesignatedVillain: Jerry Musso in "Somebody Hates Raymond". While definitely arrogant, he nonetheless doesn't even dislike Ray personally; the former just doesn't find the latter's work entertaining, something which falls under freedom of opinion instead of anything actually evil, and though he simply comes across as rather harsh towards Ray when forced to tell the truth, it's more because he loses patience with Ray nagging him about the reason for his disliking. Furthermore, Musso has every right to decide who's allowed to guest-host ''his'' show and who's not. Nevertheless, the episode seemingly vilifies him as someone so bad that even Robert, himself at odds with Ray throughout most of the episode, is ultimately appalled enough to give him a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech for Ray's sake (granted, it ''is'' awesome and heartwarming at the same time, though).
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* FreudWasRight: Used in "Marie's Sculpture" with Marie's...rather "feminine" abstract statue.
-->'''Marie:''' ''Oh my God, I'm a lesbian.''
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* GrowingTheBeard: The early episodes of the show weren't bad, but the characters hadn't been fully realized yet, which meant the show was originally kind of generic, and even kind of slowly paced. However, once the show and characters found it's footing (around the end of season 1, beginning of season 2) the show became memorable, relatable and pretty consistently well written.

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* GrowingTheBeard: The early episodes of the show weren't bad, but the characters hadn't been fully realized yet, which meant the show was originally kind of generic, and even kind of slowly paced. However, once the show and characters found it's its footing (around the end of season 1, beginning of season 2) the show became memorable, relatable and pretty consistently well written.
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* {{Wangst}}: Debra, especially in the later seasons.

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* {{Wangst}}: Debra, Robert's frequent bitching and moaning about how charmed Ray 's life is, and about his own problems in general often dips into this territory, especially since a lot of what Robert complains about is a) very petty or b) his own fault. But even when he's complaining about stuff that isn't either of those two things the way that he whines makes you want to smack him in the later seasons.face rather than give him a hug.

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* BaseBreaker: Debra. To people who can identify with her, she's a beleaguered, long-suffering heroine with the patience of a saint. But to her detractors, she's a hypocritical SmugSnake and KarmaHoudini. To most, she's somewhere in between.

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Debra. To people who can identify with her, she's a beleaguered, long-suffering heroine with the patience of a saint. But to her detractors, she's a hypocritical SmugSnake and KarmaHoudini. To most, she's somewhere in between.

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