History YMMV / EndersGame

12th Mar '17 4:20:18 PM CaptNoDad
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Battle School is suppose to be horrible, and show the inhumane effects war can have on everyone to the point of training ChildSoldiers. But the training in Battle School that the book goes into much detail about sounds like zero gravity laser tag combined with CaptureTheFlag. And the Command School simulations sound like a really advanced RealTimeStrategy game. And in his off hours Ender gets to relax with a (SeinfeldIsUnfunny for the time) really advanced AdventureGame. It all sounds really fun, Ender's specific trauma notwithstanding.

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Battle School is suppose to be horrible, and show the inhumane effects war can have on everyone to the point of training ChildSoldiers. But the training in Battle School that the book goes into much detail about sounds like zero gravity laser tag combined with CaptureTheFlag. And the Command School simulations sound like a really advanced RealTimeStrategy game. And in his off hours Ender gets to relax with a (SeinfeldIsUnfunny ([[SeinfeldIsUnfunny for the time) time]]) really advanced AdventureGame. It all sounds really fun, Ender's specific trauma notwithstanding.
12th Mar '17 4:19:18 PM CaptNoDad
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Battle School is suppose to be horrible, and show the inhumane effects war can have on everyone to the point of training ChildSoldiers. But the training in Battle School that the book goes into much detail about sounds like zero gravity laser tag combined with CaptureTheFlag. And the Command School simulations sound like a really advanced RealTimeStrategy game. And in his off hours Ender gets to relax with a (SinefeldIsUnfunny for the time) really advanced AdventureGame. It all sounds really fun, Ender's specific trauma notwithstanding.

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Battle School is suppose to be horrible, and show the inhumane effects war can have on everyone to the point of training ChildSoldiers. But the training in Battle School that the book goes into much detail about sounds like zero gravity laser tag combined with CaptureTheFlag. And the Command School simulations sound like a really advanced RealTimeStrategy game. And in his off hours Ender gets to relax with a (SinefeldIsUnfunny (SeinfeldIsUnfunny for the time) really advanced AdventureGame. It all sounds really fun, Ender's specific trauma notwithstanding.
12th Mar '17 4:18:29 PM CaptNoDad
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Battle School is suppose to be horrible, and show the inhumane effects war can have on everyone to the point of training ChildSoldiers. But the training in Battle School that the book goes into much detail about sounds like zero gravity laser tag combined with CaptureTheFlag. And the Command School simulations sound like a really advanced RealTimeStrategy game. And in his off hours Ender gets to relax with a ([[SinefeldIsUnfunny for the time) really advanced AdventureGame. It all sounds really fun, Ender's specific trauma notwithstanding.

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Battle School is suppose to be horrible, and show the inhumane effects war can have on everyone to the point of training ChildSoldiers. But the training in Battle School that the book goes into much detail about sounds like zero gravity laser tag combined with CaptureTheFlag. And the Command School simulations sound like a really advanced RealTimeStrategy game. And in his off hours Ender gets to relax with a ([[SinefeldIsUnfunny (SinefeldIsUnfunny for the time) really advanced AdventureGame. It all sounds really fun, Ender's specific trauma notwithstanding.
8th Mar '17 8:43:47 PM Mullon
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Battle School is suppose to be horrible, and show the inhumane effects war can have on everyone to the point of training ChildSoldiers. But the training in Battle School that the book goes into much detail about sounds like zero gravity laser tag combined with CaptureTheFlag. And the Command School simulations sound like a really advanced RealTimeStrategy game. And in his off hours Ender gets to relax with a ([[SinefeldIsUnfunny for the time) really advanced AdventureGame. It all sounds really fun, Ender's specific trauma notwithstanding.
22nd Feb '17 2:22:11 PM GhostLad
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** The above article makes some interesting points, but largely glosses over the fact that Ender is a pre-pubescent child throughout the original novel. For all his intelligence and maturity, he's still just a kid and, unlike [[MartyStu Bean]], unaware of the full context of his actions until it's too late. Not only that, he wasn't given enough information to even be able to comprehend the consequences of his actions. He was lied to, and didn't know that he was actually commanding real men in a real war. He was so disgusted with himself that he went into a comatose state for a few days, at least, and spent the next 3000 years trying to repent. He abhorred violence, despite the fact that he was very good at it, and was also devastated after his fight with Bonzo. The article also makes it sound like "to be a killer, you must know you are killing" is a bad thing, even though it's what most people would think anyways. The claims that we never get a chance to find out the motives of Bernard, Stilson, Peter, etc. only Ender's, is somewhat moot when you remember that in all of his acts of violence Ender was acting in self-defence, while those bullying him were attacking out of jealousy. The claims that Ender committed genocide is highly suspect when you remember that the buggers are a hive-mind, meaning most of them aren't even sentient, so at worst it was large-scale animal cruelty. So yeah, Ender kinda is a victim.

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** The above article makes some interesting points, but largely glosses over the fact that Ender is a pre-pubescent child throughout the original novel. For all his intelligence and maturity, he's still just a kid and, unlike [[MartyStu Bean]], unaware of the full context of his actions until it's too late. Not only that, he wasn't given enough information to even be able to comprehend the consequences of his actions. He was lied to, and didn't know that he was actually commanding real men in a real war. He was so disgusted with himself that he went into a comatose state for a few days, at least, and spent the next 3000 years trying to repent. He abhorred violence, despite the fact that he was very good at it, and was also devastated after his fight with Bonzo. The article also makes it sound like "to be a killer, you must know you are killing" is a bad thing, even though it's what most people would think anyways. The claims that we never get a chance to find out the motives of Bernard, Stilson, Peter, etc. only Ender's, is somewhat moot when you remember that in all of his acts of violence Ender was acting in self-defence, while those bullying him were attacking out of jealousy. The claims that Ender committed genocide is highly suspect when you remember that the buggers are a hive-mind, meaning most of them aren't even sentient, so at worst it was large-scale animal cruelty. So yeah, Ender kinda is a victim.
2nd Sep '16 2:11:07 PM LordOfTheSword
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* NightmareFuel: Ender's sessions in the mind game are horrific. First, he kills the giant by clawing its eye out and digging into its brain. Then, there are the werewolf children that brutally murder Ender's avatar until he kills them. And then the end of the world...

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* NightmareFuel: Ender's sessions in the mind game are horrific. First, he kills the giant by clawing its eye out and digging into its brain. Then, there are the werewolf children that brutally murder Ender's avatar until he kills them. And then the [[MindScrew end of the world...world]]...
13th May '16 8:17:23 PM 43110
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* TheSociopath: Peter, though most likely a high-functioning sociopath. During the opening he demonstrates sadistic tendencies, a grandiose sense of self worth, skill at manipulating people and his lack of empathy is a recurring theme. [[spoiler: Even his taking up a more benevolent and likable online persona Locke and becoming a benevolent ruler of Earth as an adult could be a case of PragmaticVillainy]]. On their own they may not make a sociopath the traits appear to add up.
18th Mar '16 11:18:44 AM ironballs16
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** On top of this is that, due to time constraints, characterization was dropped in favor of getting the critical details inserted appropriately. It also violates ShowDontTell (ironically, given the medium) by having Ender mention that Command School had been going on for months, where he and his team were going at it every day - so Petra's HeroicBSOD in the middle of one fight is completely omitted, and Ender's reaction at the final simulation was ''vastly'' different than in the book.[[note]]In the novel, it's portrayed as him getting fed up with the vindictive cruelty he sees from the adults in forcing them into a hopeless fight, and ''trying'' to cross the MoralEventHorizon in order to flunk out. In the movie, he cheered alongside his jeesh for overcoming impossible odds in the simulation.[[/note]]

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** On top of this is that, due to time constraints, characterization was dropped in favor of getting the critical details inserted appropriately. It also violates ShowDontTell (ironically, given the medium) by having Ender mention that Command School had been going on for months, where he and his team were going at it every day - so Petra's HeroicBSOD in the middle of one fight is completely omitted, and Ender's reaction at the final simulation was ''vastly'' different than in the book.[[note]]In the novel, it's portrayed as him getting fed up with the vindictive cruelty he sees from the adults in forcing them into a hopeless fight, and ''trying'' to cross ''deliberately'' crossing the MoralEventHorizon in order to so they'd flunk him out. In the movie, he cheered alongside his jeesh [[TrueCompanions jeesh]] for overcoming impossible odds in the simulation.[[/note]]
16th Mar '16 12:36:11 AM PyrosNine
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Ender a misunderstood victim of forces beyond his control, or [[http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fglacierpeak.sno.wednet.edu%2Fteachers%2Fbjuhl%2Fdocs%2FSci%2520Fi%2FUnit%25202%2520Strange%2520New%2520Worlds%2FEnder%2527s%2520Game%2FCreating%2520the%2520Innocent%2520Killer.doc&ei=o2aSVIbvLYq5oQT9oYGwBQ&usg=AFQjCNGHP13dBYO6JqNHJ5q762BbbWGSQQ&sig2=LbUp-9BM0jTv1iO6virhCg&bvm=bv.82001339,d.cGU&cad=rja Hitler on steroids]]?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Ender a misunderstood victim of forces beyond his control, or [[http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fglacierpeak.sno.wednet.edu%2Fteachers%2Fbjuhl%2Fdocs%2FSci%2520Fi%2FUnit%25202%2520Strange%2520New%2520Worlds%2FEnder%2527s%2520Game%2FCreating%2520the%2520Innocent%2520Killer.doc&ei=o2aSVIbvLYq5oQT9oYGwBQ&usg=AFQjCNGHP13dBYO6JqNHJ5q762BbbWGSQQ&sig2=LbUp-9BM0jTv1iO6virhCg&bvm=bv.82001339,d.cGU&cad=rja [[http://johnjosephkessel.wix.com/kessel-website#!creating-the-innocent-killer/ce5s Hitler on steroids]]?
15th Jan '16 10:08:05 AM Pren
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** Everyone's shock at Ender killing the giant to win that part of the game hasn't aged well at all, with the massive rise in VideoGameCrueltyPotential. The movie actually ran into trouble here when it largely adapted the scene just as it was in the book despite this.
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