History YMMV / EndersGame

2nd Sep '17 8:48:45 PM Angeldeb82
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* AccidentalInnuendo: The first book is chock-full of scenes with boys as young as seven [[NoNudityTaboo going around the Battle School barracks bare-ass naked most of the time.]] Granted, there's nothing sexual intended here, but good luck explaining that in this era of the PedoHunt. Especially given that Card is [[HeteronormativeCrusader so notoriously anti-gay]], leading to [[http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/3/8/3/90383_v1.jpg this little joke.]] (Slightly NSFW, but entirely self-explanatory.)
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Ender a misunderstood victim of forces beyond his control, or [[http://johnjosephkessel.wix.com/kessel-website#!creating-the-innocent-killer/ce5s Hitler on steroids]]?
** The above article makes some interesting points, but largely glosses over the fact that Ender is a pre-pubescent child throughout the original novel. For all his intelligence and maturity, he's still just a kid and, unlike [[MartyStu Bean]], unaware of the full context of his actions until it's too late. Not only that, he wasn't given enough information to even be able to comprehend the consequences of his actions. He was lied to, and didn't know that he was actually commanding real men in a real war. He was so disgusted with himself that he went into a comatose state for a few days, at least, and spent the next 3000 years trying to repent. He abhorred violence, despite the fact that he was very good at it, and was also devastated after his fight with Bonzo. The article also makes it sound like "to be a killer, you must know you are killing" is a bad thing, even though it's what most people would think anyways. The claims that we never get a chance to find out the motives of Bernard, Stilson, Peter, etc. only Ender's, is somewhat moot when you remember that in all of his acts of violence Ender was acting in self-defence, while those bullying him were attacking out of jealousy. So yeah, Ender kinda is a victim.

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* AccidentalInnuendo: The first book is chock-full of scenes with boys as young as seven [[NoNudityTaboo going around the Battle School barracks bare-ass naked most of the time.]] Granted, there's nothing sexual intended here, but good luck explaining that in this era of the PedoHunt.PaedoHunt. Especially given that Card is [[HeteronormativeCrusader so notoriously anti-gay]], leading to [[http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/3/8/3/90383_v1.jpg this little joke.]] (Slightly NSFW, but entirely self-explanatory.)
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Ender a misunderstood victim of forces beyond his control, or [[http://johnjosephkessel.wix.com/kessel-website#!creating-the-innocent-killer/ce5s Hitler on steroids]]?
** The above article makes some interesting points, but largely glosses over the fact that Ender is a pre-pubescent child throughout the original novel. For all his intelligence and maturity, he's still just a kid and, unlike [[MartyStu Bean]], Bean, unaware of the full context of his actions until it's too late. Not only that, he wasn't given enough information to even be able to comprehend the consequences of his actions. He was lied to, and didn't know that he was actually commanding real men in a real war. He was so disgusted with himself that he went into a comatose state for a few days, at least, and spent the next 3000 years trying to repent. He abhorred violence, despite the fact that he was very good at it, and was also devastated after his fight with Bonzo. The article also makes it sound like "to be a killer, you must know you are killing" is a bad thing, even though it's what most people would think anyways. The claims that we never get a chance to find out the motives of Bernard, Stilson, Peter, etc. only Ender's, is somewhat moot when you remember that in all of his acts of violence Ender was acting in self-defence, while those bullying him were attacking out of jealousy. So yeah, Ender kinda is a victim.



* MSt3KMantra: Oh, come on. No one had tried any of these tactics and rule-bending? It's just a book... it's just a book...

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* MSt3KMantra: MST3KMantra: Oh, come on. No one had tried any of these tactics and rule-bending? It's just a book... it's just a book...



* OneSceneWonder: Though Achilles is present throughout most of the ''Shadow'' series, there is exactly one chapter from his point of view. '''[[AGodAmI HOLY COW]].'''

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* OneSceneWonder: Though Achilles is present throughout most of the ''Shadow'' series, there is exactly one chapter from his point of view. '''[[AGodAmI HOLY COW]].'''COW.]]'''



* SpiritualLicensee: Orson Scott Card considers ''Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes'' to be "[[http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/2011-08-11.shtml the first truly successful adaptation of my novel... to appear on the screen]]".
* SpoiledByTheFormat: If you're paying attention to how many pages are left at the end of the book, you know that [[spoiler:the Command School "simulation" ''has'' to be the real thing... because there isn't enough time left in the book to do it all over again.]]

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* SpiritualLicensee: SpiritualAdaptation: Orson Scott Card considers ''Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes'' to be "[[http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/2011-08-11.shtml the first truly successful adaptation of my novel... to appear on the screen]]".
* SpoiledByTheFormat: If you're paying attention to how many pages are left at the end of the book, you know that [[spoiler:the Command School "simulation" ''has'' to be the real thing... because there isn't enough time left in the book to do it all over again.]]again]].



* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The Flaming Lips' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTWcn8xFGCo Peace Sword: Open Your Heart]]. Which plays over the end credits.
** Steve Jablonsky's score definitely qualifies as well. The tracks "Ender's War", "Ender's Promise", "Salamander Battle", "Final Test", and "Commander" being the main standouts.



* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The Flaming Lips' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTWcn8xFGCo Peace Sword: Open Your Heart.]] Which plays over the end credits.
** Steve Jablonsky's score definitely qualifies as well. The tracks "Ender's War", "Ender's Promise", "Salamander Battle", "Final Test", and "Commander" being the main standouts.
* HilariousInHindsight: Bean grew up on the streets of Rotterdam, [[Film/TheDarkKnightRises or did he mean]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REpnyMheSeg Gotham?]]

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The Flaming Lips' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTWcn8xFGCo Peace Sword: Open Your Heart.]] Which plays over the end credits.
** Steve Jablonsky's score definitely qualifies as well. The tracks "Ender's War", "Ender's Promise", "Salamander Battle", "Final Test", and "Commander" being the main standouts.
* HilariousInHindsight: Bean grew up on the streets of Rotterdam, [[Film/TheDarkKnightRises or did he mean]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REpnyMheSeg Gotham?]]Gotham]]?



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** Many have protested the film because of Card's negative views of gay marriage, threatening to boycott the film so as to not give him money. [[http://www.thewrap.com/orson-scott-card-boycott-enders-game-box-office-book-instead Turns out Card actually makes NO money from the film's ticket sales]]. He got all his money years ago from selling the rights, and from sales of the book itself.

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** Many have protested the film because of Card's negative views of gay marriage, threatening to boycott the film so as to not give him money. [[http://www.thewrap.com/orson-scott-card-boycott-enders-game-box-office-book-instead Turns out Card actually makes NO money from the film's ticket sales]]. sales.]] He got all his money years ago from selling the rights, and from sales of the book itself.



* OlderThanTheyThink: "They're ripping off [[Franchise/{{Halo}} the training of the SPARTANs and the invading Covenant]]!" "The Formic spaceships [[Franchise/MassEffect look like Reapers]]!" "[[Franchise/HarryPotter Ender is a child messiah at a school for special children]]!" ''Ender's Game'' precedes ''Halo'', ''Mass Effect'', and ''Harry Potter'' by nearly 20 years.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: "They're ripping off [[Franchise/{{Halo}} the training of the SPARTANs and the invading Covenant]]!" "The Formic spaceships [[Franchise/MassEffect look like Reapers]]!" "[[Franchise/HarryPotter Ender is a child messiah at a school for special children]]!" children!]]" ''Ender's Game'' precedes ''Halo'', ''Mass Effect'', and ''Harry Potter'' by nearly 20 years.



* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: In the current geopolitical climate, the film is bound to elicit a lot of politicized commentary, especially given that it features {{Child Soldier}}s, drone warfare, and the dehumanization of the enemy.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: In the current geopolitical climate, the film is bound to elicit a lot of politicized commentary, especially given that it features {{Child Soldier}}s, ChildSoldiers, drone warfare, and the dehumanization of the enemy.
18th Jul '17 7:29:43 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: Yes, the Battle School teaches TrainingFromHell. But it looks so cool that who wouldn't want to attend it?

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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: Yes, the Battle School teaches TrainingFromHell. But it looks so cool that who wouldn't want to attend it?
29th Apr '17 10:46:18 AM DustSnitch
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* HoYay: Hilariously, considering the politics of the author, but the book is chock-full of homo eroticism. Part of the book takes place on planet ''Eros'', the relationship between the boys in the school is something akin to the homosexual ones between Greco-Roman cadets, Ender refers to Bonzo as being beautiful, Alai has what is very strongly implied to be a gay crush on Ender, oh - and the boys sleep together and wrestle buck-ass naked for most of the story.

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* HoYay: Hilariously, considering the politics of the author, but the book is chock-full of homo eroticism. Part of the book takes place on planet ''Eros'', the relationship between the boys in the school is something akin to the homosexual ones between Greco-Roman cadets, Ender refers to Bonzo as being beautiful, Alai has what is very strongly implied to be a gay crush on Ender, oh - and the boys sleep together and wrestle buck-ass naked for most of the story.
20th Apr '17 10:05:13 AM ironballs16
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** On top of this is that, due to time constraints, characterization was dropped in favor of getting the critical details inserted appropriately. It also violates ShowDontTell (ironically, given the medium) by having Ender mention that Command School had been going on for months, where he and his team were going at it every day - so Petra's HeroicBSOD in the middle of one fight is completely omitted, and Ender's reaction at the final simulation was ''vastly'' different than in the book.[[labelnote: Spoilers]]In the novel, his decision to use Dr. Device [[EarthShatteringKaboom on the Formic's homeworld]] is because he'd gotten fed up with the vindictive cruelty he sees from the adults in forcing them into a hopeless fight, and ''deliberately'' crossing the MoralEventHorizon so they'd flunk him out. In the movie, he cheered alongside his [[TrueCompanions jeesh]] for overcoming impossible odds in the simulation.[[/labelnote]]

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** On top of this is that, due to time constraints, characterization was dropped in favor of getting the critical details inserted appropriately. It also violates ShowDontTell (ironically, given the medium) by having Ender mention that Command School had been going on for months, where he and his team were going at it every day - so Petra's HeroicBSOD in the middle of one fight is completely omitted, and Ender's reaction at the final simulation was ''vastly'' different than in the book.[[labelnote: Spoilers]]In the novel, his decision he decides to use Dr. Device [[EarthShatteringKaboom on the Formic's homeworld]] is because he'd gotten fed up with the vindictive cruelty he sees from the adults in forcing them into a hopeless fight, and ''deliberately'' crossing the MoralEventHorizon so they'd flunk him out. In the movie, he cheered alongside his [[TrueCompanions jeesh]] for overcoming impossible odds in the simulation.[[/labelnote]]
20th Apr '17 10:04:34 AM ironballs16
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** On top of this is that, due to time constraints, characterization was dropped in favor of getting the critical details inserted appropriately. It also violates ShowDontTell (ironically, given the medium) by having Ender mention that Command School had been going on for months, where he and his team were going at it every day - so Petra's HeroicBSOD in the middle of one fight is completely omitted, and Ender's reaction at the final simulation was ''vastly'' different than in the book.[[labelnote: Spoilers]]In the novel, his decision to use Dr. Device [[EarthShatteringKaboom on the Formics' homeworld]] is because he'd gotten fed up with the vindictive cruelty he sees from the adults in forcing them into a hopeless fight, and ''deliberately'' crossing the MoralEventHorizon so they'd flunk him out. In the movie, he cheered alongside his [[TrueCompanions jeesh]] for overcoming impossible odds in the simulation.[[/labelnote]]

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** On top of this is that, due to time constraints, characterization was dropped in favor of getting the critical details inserted appropriately. It also violates ShowDontTell (ironically, given the medium) by having Ender mention that Command School had been going on for months, where he and his team were going at it every day - so Petra's HeroicBSOD in the middle of one fight is completely omitted, and Ender's reaction at the final simulation was ''vastly'' different than in the book.[[labelnote: Spoilers]]In the novel, his decision to use Dr. Device [[EarthShatteringKaboom on the Formics' Formic's homeworld]] is because he'd gotten fed up with the vindictive cruelty he sees from the adults in forcing them into a hopeless fight, and ''deliberately'' crossing the MoralEventHorizon so they'd flunk him out. In the movie, he cheered alongside his [[TrueCompanions jeesh]] for overcoming impossible odds in the simulation.[[/labelnote]]
20th Apr '17 10:04:17 AM ironballs16
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** On top of this is that, due to time constraints, characterization was dropped in favor of getting the critical details inserted appropriately. It also violates ShowDontTell (ironically, given the medium) by having Ender mention that Command School had been going on for months, where he and his team were going at it every day - so Petra's HeroicBSOD in the middle of one fight is completely omitted, and Ender's reaction at the final simulation was ''vastly'' different than in the book.[[labelnote: Spoilers]]In the novel, it's portrayed as him getting fed up with the vindictive cruelty he sees from the adults in forcing them into a hopeless fight, and ''deliberately'' crossing the MoralEventHorizon so they'd flunk him out. In the movie, he cheered alongside his [[TrueCompanions jeesh]] for overcoming impossible odds in the simulation.[[/labelnote]]

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** On top of this is that, due to time constraints, characterization was dropped in favor of getting the critical details inserted appropriately. It also violates ShowDontTell (ironically, given the medium) by having Ender mention that Command School had been going on for months, where he and his team were going at it every day - so Petra's HeroicBSOD in the middle of one fight is completely omitted, and Ender's reaction at the final simulation was ''vastly'' different than in the book.[[labelnote: Spoilers]]In the novel, it's portrayed as him getting his decision to use Dr. Device [[EarthShatteringKaboom on the Formics' homeworld]] is because he'd gotten fed up with the vindictive cruelty he sees from the adults in forcing them into a hopeless fight, and ''deliberately'' crossing the MoralEventHorizon so they'd flunk him out. In the movie, he cheered alongside his [[TrueCompanions jeesh]] for overcoming impossible odds in the simulation.[[/labelnote]]
20th Apr '17 10:00:42 AM ironballs16
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*** And DisproportionateRetribution is admirable, as it acts as a deterrent to future conflict.
20th Apr '17 9:59:52 AM ironballs16
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Deliberate cruelty is the best form of education.

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Deliberate cruelty [[SchoolOfHardKnocks is the best form of education.education]].


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*** Alternatively, "greater understanding of your foe enables you to beat them more effectively".
20th Apr '17 9:56:56 AM ironballs16
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** On top of this is that, due to time constraints, characterization was dropped in favor of getting the critical details inserted appropriately. It also violates ShowDontTell (ironically, given the medium) by having Ender mention that Command School had been going on for months, where he and his team were going at it every day - so Petra's HeroicBSOD in the middle of one fight is completely omitted, and Ender's reaction at the final simulation was ''vastly'' different than in the book.[[note]]In the novel, it's portrayed as him getting fed up with the vindictive cruelty he sees from the adults in forcing them into a hopeless fight, and ''deliberately'' crossing the MoralEventHorizon so they'd flunk him out. In the movie, he cheered alongside his [[TrueCompanions jeesh]] for overcoming impossible odds in the simulation.[[/note]]

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** On top of this is that, due to time constraints, characterization was dropped in favor of getting the critical details inserted appropriately. It also violates ShowDontTell (ironically, given the medium) by having Ender mention that Command School had been going on for months, where he and his team were going at it every day - so Petra's HeroicBSOD in the middle of one fight is completely omitted, and Ender's reaction at the final simulation was ''vastly'' different than in the book.[[note]]In [[labelnote: Spoilers]]In the novel, it's portrayed as him getting fed up with the vindictive cruelty he sees from the adults in forcing them into a hopeless fight, and ''deliberately'' crossing the MoralEventHorizon so they'd flunk him out. In the movie, he cheered alongside his [[TrueCompanions jeesh]] for overcoming impossible odds in the simulation.[[/note]][[/labelnote]]
12th Mar '17 4:20:18 PM CaptNoDad
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Battle School is suppose to be horrible, and show the inhumane effects war can have on everyone to the point of training ChildSoldiers. But the training in Battle School that the book goes into much detail about sounds like zero gravity laser tag combined with CaptureTheFlag. And the Command School simulations sound like a really advanced RealTimeStrategy game. And in his off hours Ender gets to relax with a (SeinfeldIsUnfunny for the time) really advanced AdventureGame. It all sounds really fun, Ender's specific trauma notwithstanding.

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Battle School is suppose to be horrible, and show the inhumane effects war can have on everyone to the point of training ChildSoldiers. But the training in Battle School that the book goes into much detail about sounds like zero gravity laser tag combined with CaptureTheFlag. And the Command School simulations sound like a really advanced RealTimeStrategy game. And in his off hours Ender gets to relax with a (SeinfeldIsUnfunny ([[SeinfeldIsUnfunny for the time) time]]) really advanced AdventureGame. It all sounds really fun, Ender's specific trauma notwithstanding.
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