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** "Eveline" deals heavily with how abuse as a child can mess someone up in the long run, and how victims can dangerously develop StockholmSyndrome for their abuser.

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** Eveline. A sweet girl who lost two people she loved, and is only nineteen and so broken by abuse and heart break that she actually runs away from her chance at happiness due to StockholmSyndrome.

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** Eveline. A sweet girl who lost two people she loved, and is only nineteen and so broken by abuse and heart break that she actually runs away from her chance at happiness due to StockholmSyndrome.Stockholm Syndrome.
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* {{Narm}}: In nearly every story, there will be at least one character who is described as "stout" - which can make you wonder if there are no skinny people in Dublin.
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** "Counterparts" is easily the bleakest and most depressing of the stories - as it doesn't even achieve the tragedy that some of the sadder ones ("Eveline", "A Painful Case", "The Dead") help to convey. It's centered around a HateSink of a protagonist who slacks off at work and thinks only of drinking. He's a {{Hypocrite}} who ignores his responsibilities and, after humiliating himself in the pub, goes home and beats his innocent son.

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** "Counterparts" is easily the bleakest and most depressing of the stories - as it doesn't even achieve the tragedy that some of the sadder ones ("Eveline", "A Painful Case", "The Dead") help to convey. It's centered around a HateSink of a an unsympathetic protagonist who slacks off at work and thinks only of drinking. He's a {{Hypocrite}} who ignores his responsibilities and, after humiliating himself in the pub, goes home and beats his innocent son.
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** In "Clay", Maria forgets the second verse of the song that she's singing and repeats the first one instead. The omitted second verse is about the singer's suitors; Maria has never had a suitor, and never will.
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** And of course Tom Farrington at the end of "Counterparts" - who has to bear the brunt of his father's drunkenness, and gets beaten while offering to say a prayer instead.

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** And of course Tom Farrington at the end of "Counterparts" - who has to bear the brunt of his father's drunkenness, and gets beaten while offering to say a prayer instead.instead.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy:
** "Counterparts" is easily the bleakest and most depressing of the stories - as it doesn't even achieve the tragedy that some of the sadder ones ("Eveline", "A Painful Case", "The Dead") help to convey. It's centered around a HateSink of a protagonist who slacks off at work and thinks only of drinking. He's a {{Hypocrite}} who ignores his responsibilities and, after humiliating himself in the pub, goes home and beats his innocent son.
** "Two Gallants" is a rather bleak story featuring a pair of leches who make a habit of conning women out of their money or mooching to get by (although they do have sympathetic reasons for doing so). Through the course of the story, Lenehan realises how empty his life is and how he's pretty much going nowhere - and it's unclear if he's learned anything by the end. Publishers even tried to get this one removed from the collection, but James Joyce insisted that it was one of the most important to keep in.


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* TooBleakStoppedCaring:
** "Counterparts" is easily the bleakest and most depressing of the stories - as it doesn't even achieve the tragedy that some of the sadder ones ("Eveline", "A Painful Case", "The Dead") help to convey. It's centered around a HateSink of a protagonist who slacks off at work and thinks only of drinking. He's a {{Hypocrite}} who ignores his responsibilities and, after humiliating himself in the pub, goes home and beats his innocent son.
** "Two Gallants" is a rather bleak story featuring a pair of leches who make a habit of conning women out of their money or mooching to get by (although they do have sympathetic reasons for doing so). Through the course of the story, Lenehan realises how empty his life is and how he's pretty much going nowhere - and it's unclear if he's learned anything by the end. Publishers even tried to get this one removed from the collection, but James Joyce insisted that it was one of the most important to keep in.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped:
** "Two Gallants" - when the system fails people without the opportunities of the wealthy or upper classes, they will be forced to either suffer on the streets or harm others to get by.
** "A Little Cloud" - if you are unhappy with your situation in life, you have no one to blame but yourself, and you must take control of your life to be happy.
** "A Painful Case" stresses the importance of being kind to people who are struggling.
** "Araby" has the minor one of not putting people or places on pedestals, because the reality can never live up to the fantasy.
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* {{Narm}}: In nearly every story, there will be at least one character who is described as [[YouKeepUsingThatWord "stout"]] - which can make you wonder if there are no skinny people in Dublin.

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* FairForItsDay: In "The Dead", Freddy Mallins takes the time to praise a black singer he saw perform and asks for Mr D'Arcy's opinion. When the celebrated tenor doesn't answer, Freddy calls him out on ignoring a talented singer just because of his skin colour.

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* FairForItsDay: DarknessInducedAudienceApathy:
** "Counterparts" is easily the bleakest and most depressing of the stories - as it doesn't even achieve the tragedy that some of the sadder ones ("Eveline", "A Painful Case", "The Dead") help to convey. It's centered around a HateSink of a protagonist who slacks off at work and thinks only of drinking. He's a {{Hypocrite}} who ignores his responsibilities and, after humiliating himself in the pub, goes home and beats his innocent son.
** "Two Gallants" is a rather bleak story featuring a pair of leches who make a habit of conning women out of their money or mooching to get by (although they do have sympathetic reasons for doing so). Through the course of the story, Lenehan realises how empty his life is and how he's pretty much going nowhere - and it's unclear if he's learned anything by the end. Publishers even tried to get this one removed from the collection, but James Joyce insisted that it was one of the most important to keep in.
* FairForItsDay:
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In "The Dead", Freddy Mallins takes the time to praise a black singer he saw perform and asks for Mr D'Arcy's opinion. When the celebrated tenor doesn't answer, Freddy calls him out on ignoring a talented singer just because of his skin colour.
** "The Boarding House" does employ a couple of [[GoldDigger questionable]] [[FilleFatale tropes]] but it is ahead of the time by highlighting the DoubleStandard between male and female sexuality.
* GeniusBonus: "Two Gallants" features Lenehan watching a harpist whose instrument is looking a little shabby. The harp is traditionally a symbol of Irish romanticism, which links in with the idea of gallantry and how both he and Corley have abandoned their morals.
* HarsherInHindsight: In "Grace", the men talk about the superiority of the Catholic Church and how - although they have a few bad eggs - they are fundamentally good. Once Ireland got full independence from Britain, the Catholic Church held so much power and this resulted in nationwide mistreatment of women and children which the country is still recovering from (see ''Film/TheMagdaleneSisters'').



* HilariousInHindsight: One of Mr Duffy's writing says that man and woman cannot be JustFriends because "there must be sexual intercourse". Wonder how he'd react to the plot of ''Film/WhenHarryMetSally''.

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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One of Mr Duffy's writing says that man and woman cannot be JustFriends because "there must be sexual intercourse". Wonder how he'd react to the plot of ''Film/WhenHarryMetSally''.''Film/WhenHarryMetSally''.
** Kernan's gin drinking in ''{{Literature/Ulysses}}'' indicates that his friends' elaborate plan was a complete failure.



* {{Narm}}: In nearly every story, there will be at least one character who is described as [[YouKeepUsingThatWord "stout"]] - which can make you wonder if there are no skinny people in Dublin.



* {{Padding}}: There are often lots of seemingly insignificant descriptions of what side characters look like, or {{Seinfeldian Conversations}} that wander away from what's going on in the story.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Mrs Mooney may have manipulated a gormless man into marrying her daughter against his will - but she's 100% right that the affair will do nothing to harm Mr Doran while Polly will be considered DefiledForever.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: We're meant to see Mrs Kearney's end of "A Mother" as LaserGuidedKarma and possibly even to cheer on Holohan for chewing her out. ''Except'' Mrs Kearney went out of her way to help him organise the concert when she had no reason to, even spending her own money to do so. When circumstances change behind her back, she worries that they're trying to cheat her daughter out of the money she was promised. When she asks about the new arrangements, no one can give her a straight answer, and we're apparently supposed to see them as justified in denying Kathleen her agreed upon payment because a critic didn't like her piano playing.
* ValuesResonance: "Eveline" deals heavily with how abuse as a child can mess someone up in the long run, and how victims can dangerously develop StockholmSyndrome for their abuser.

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* {{Padding}}: There are often lots of seemingly insignificant descriptions of what side characters look like, or {{Seinfeldian Conversations}} Conversation}}s that wander away from what's going on in the story.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped:
** "Two Gallants" - when the system fails people without the opportunities of the wealthy or upper classes, they will be forced to either suffer on the streets or harm others to get by.
** "A Little Cloud" - if you are unhappy with your situation in life, you have no one to blame but yourself, and you must take control of your life to be happy.
** "A Painful Case" stresses the importance of being kind to people who are struggling.
** "Araby" has the minor one of not putting people or places on pedestals, because the reality can never live up to the fantasy.
* StoicWoobie: The unnamed boy of "The Sisters", who spends the story dealing with the death of Father Flynn - who was a friend and mentor to him. He never cries or angsts too much; he just tries to understand the situation as best he can.
* StrawmanHasAPoint:
** Mrs Kearney is shown as a pompous StageMom who has ideas above her station, but she's quite right that Kathleen had a contract and she shouldn't suffer because of poor management.
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Mrs Mooney may have manipulated a gormless man into marrying her daughter against his will - but she's 100% right that the affair will do nothing to harm Mr Doran while Polly will be considered DefiledForever.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: We're meant to see Mrs Kearney's end of "A Mother" as LaserGuidedKarma and possibly even to cheer on Holohan for chewing her out. ''Except'' Mrs Kearney went out of her way to help him organise the concert when she had no reason to, even spending her own money to do so. When circumstances change behind her back, she worries that they're trying to cheat her daughter out of the money she was promised. When she asks about the new arrangements, no one can give her a straight answer, and we're apparently supposed to see them as justified in denying Kathleen her agreed upon payment because a critic didn't like her piano playing.
playing. At one point, Holohan says he's surprised that she would treat them this way, and she fires back with "well how have ''you'' been treating me all week!"
* ValuesResonance: ValuesDissonance:
** Mr Duffy of "A Painful Case" comes across as even worse than he would be when the story was written. He breaks off his companionship with Emily because he senses he's falling in love with her, and it wouldn't be appropriate because she's married. Ireland as a country held extremely conservative religious views well up until the end of the 20th century (divorce for example wasn't legalised until the 90s, and abortion was illegal until 2018).
** "The Boarding House" - Mr Doran's affair with Polly is not just going to give her a bad reputation; it'll affect her family too. Mrs Mooney would be considered ruined as well, and that is going to affect her business (no one will rent a room from a landlady with a reputation). One of the reasons the Magdalene Laundries were able to last as long as they did in Ireland was the belief that one person's sin would also doom the whole family. The idea that Mr Doran could lose his job because of his personal life is also shocking to a modern reader.
* ValuesResonance:
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"Eveline" deals heavily with how abuse as a child can mess someone up in the long run, and how victims can dangerously develop StockholmSyndrome for their abuser. abuser.
** "A Little Cloud" examines what it means to be successful as a man, and the nature of doing what makes you happy versus what's expected of you. Little Chandler is married and has a family, but is miserable because he did what society told him he should do.
** Maria of "Clay" is shown to be a happy and complete person by remaining unmarried and independent her whole life. In fact, several of the loneliest characters in the stories are married and unhappily so.
** Many of the stories show that alcoholics usually have sympathetic reasons for turning to drink, and that not providing proper help or treatment for them is going to make things worse.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: With regards to both Mrs Mooney and Polly in "The Boarding House" - what is their deal? Have they been conspiring to get Polly a husband from the start? It is said that Polly initiated the affair by coming to Mr Doran's room late at night. Or maybe she was simply falling for a man and adopting a modern attitude towards sexuality that she then has to face the reality of. And did Mrs Mooney only propose the marriage as a way to save her daughter's reputation?
* FairForItsDay: In "The Dead", Freddy Mallins takes the time to praise a black singer he saw perform and asks for Mr D'Arcy's opinion. When the celebrated tenor doesn't answer, Freddy calls him out on ignoring a talented singer just because of his skin colour.
* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments:
** The famous moment of "The Dead", when timid Aunt Julia starts to sing for the party. Gabriel - who had been indifferent when Mary Jane took to the piano earlier - is wholly moved. As is the rest of the party, who break into a standing ovation.
** Also from "The Dead" is Gabriel's speech at the dinner, praising his aunts and Mary Jane for how welcome they make everyone feel every year. It's a truly fantastic speech, and Aunt Kate is moved to tears by the end of it.
** The entire character of Maria from "Clay". A lovely woman whom everyone seems to like, and who goes out of her way to be kind and good to anyone she meets. She dotes on her relatives at the Halloween party, and when she's invited to sing, she moves them in a way similar to Aunt Julia above.
** "Ivy Day in the Committee Room" ends with Hynes, whom everyone had talked about behind his back and didn't seem to like, being asked to read his poem as a tribute to Charles Stewart Parnell. The brilliance of the poem briefly makes the men forget all their differences.
* HilariousInHindsight: One of Mr Duffy's writing says that man and woman cannot be JustFriends because "there must be sexual intercourse". Wonder how he'd react to the plot of ''Film/WhenHarryMetSally''.


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* OneSceneWonder: Mrs Kernan of "Grace" only pops up every now and then to bring tea to the men's discussion. But she always gets a good one-liner in at her husband's expense.
* {{Padding}}: There are often lots of seemingly insignificant descriptions of what side characters look like, or {{Seinfeldian Conversations}} that wander away from what's going on in the story.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Mrs Mooney may have manipulated a gormless man into marrying her daughter against his will - but she's 100% right that the affair will do nothing to harm Mr Doran while Polly will be considered DefiledForever.


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* AdaptationDisplacement: People would be surprised that "The Dead" is from a short story collection, as it's long enough to be considered a novella on its own.
* JerkassWoobie:
** Little Chandler of "A Little Cloud" - a self-centred GreenEyedMonster who resents everyone for what they have that he doesn't. And he even yells at his baby son! But considering how empty and lonely his life seems to be, it's hard not to feel a little bit sorry for him.
** While less 'jerkass' and more 'stupid and reckless', Jimmy Doyle of "After The Race" may be blowing through his father's money - but with the historical context of trying to be considered part of the elite club along with the French, British and Americans - his silly attempts at fitting in are more understandable.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: We're meant to see Mrs Kearney's end of "A Mother" as LaserGuidedKarma and possibly even to cheer on Holohan for chewing her out. ''Except'' Mrs Kearney went out of her way to help him organise the concert when she had no reason to, even spending her own money to do so. When circumstances change behind her back, she worries that they're trying to cheat her daughter out of the money she was promised. When she asks about the new arrangements, no one can give her a straight answer, and we're apparently supposed to see them as justified in denying Kathleen her agreed upon payment because a critic didn't like her piano playing.
* TheWoobie:
** Eveline. A sweet girl who lost two people she loved, and is only nineteen and so broken by abuse and heart break that she actually runs away from her chance at happiness due to StockholmSyndrome.
** Poor Emily Sinico. A husband who's away at sea for most of the year, and no notable friends of her own besides her daughter. She strikes up a friendship that may be something more with Mr Duffy...who then breaks it off due to propriety. This sets her on a downward spiral of depression and alcoholism that culminates with her suicide on the train tracks at the age of 43.
** Gretta Conroy too if you think about it. Having a sweetheart who died only at seventeen - partly because he snuck out in the rain while ill to see her - is bound to mess one up.
** And of course Tom Farrington at the end of "Counterparts" - who has to bear the brunt of his father's drunkenness, and gets beaten while offering to say a prayer instead.

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