History YMMV / DragonQuestVII

** The fact that the UpdatedRerelease on the Nintendo3DS is getting a completely new translation for its international release. Some people welcome this, as they're satisfied enough with the game ''finally'' averting NoExportForYou after close to 3 years, while others are against it due to the copious puns and accents in the dialogue of other localized DragonQuest games like [[VideoGame/DragonQuestIV IV]] and [[VideoGame/DragonQuestIX IX]] being annoying to them.

** The fact that the UpdatedRerelease on the Nintendo3DS is getting a completely new localization for its international release. Some people welcome this, as they're satisfied enough with the game ''finally'' averting NoExportForYou after close to 3 years, while others are against it due to the copious puns and accents in the dialogue of newer DragonQuest localizations like [[VideoGame/DragonQuestIV IV]] and [[VideoGame/DragonQuestIX IX]] being annoying to them.
** When it was found that the international 3DS version replaces the remastered orchestral score with the MIDI soundtrack from the original [=PlayStation=] release, the base split even further: some felt ripped-off, some think the decision was {{Justified|Trope}} by [[ScrewedByTheLawyers licensing issues]], and others preferred the original soundtrack to begin with.

** The fact that the UpdatedRerelease on the Nintendo3DS is getting a completely new translation for its international release. Some people welcome this, as they're satisfied enough with the game ''finally'' averting NoExportForYou after close to 3 years, while others are against it due to the copious puns and accents in the dialogue of other localized DragonQuest games like [[VideoGame/DragonQuestIV IV]] and [[VideoGame/DragonQuestIX IX]] being annoying to them.

** The fact that the UpdatedRerelease on the Nintendo3DS is getting a completely new translation for its international release. Some people welcome this, as they're satisfied enough with the game ''finally'' averting NoExportForYou after close to 3 years, while others are against it due to the accents in the dialogue of other localized DragonQuest games like [[VideoGame/DragonQuestIV IV]] and [[VideoGame/DragonQuestIX IX]] being annoying to them.

* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It can be hard to get into this game after the recent ones or even some of the remakes, and some of the criticisms of this game was that it looked dated for the time it was released, with ConspicuousCG breaking up the game's visual style. Keep in mind the game's development begun for the 64DD in 1996, and development switched to the PlayStation in 1997 and remained in DevelopmentHell for about three years. By the time it was released in America, it was 2001 and the Playstation2 and Xbox had been around for awhile, and the Gamecube was ''just two weeks ahead''.

* ItGetsBetter: We hope you like exposition...you're going to be seeing a lot of it in the beginning.

** GenreSavvy: Some enemies and bosses mid-game use Falcon Slash, a weaker variant. A later few use Sword Dance without mercy.

** Partially justified. He sends exploration parties, talks stuff over with them, then life goes on. When the world leaders are gathered, it is not like they don't know each other, they just don't really bother with one another. [[WhatAnIdiot Though some remark on how the king couldn't possibly know there were other lands when "they've been there the whole time".]] This is mostly in part due to the TimeyWimeyBall, not so much his ignorance.

* BaseBreaker: Dharma Temple. Some people consider it the BestLevelEver, finding it to be reasonably challenging but not too much so. To these people, the storyline is a truly epic tale involving a missing high priest, an occupied temple, an ordinary man trying to protect his sister from a city of vice, a slightly creepy guard cast out of his position (who turns out to be okay in the end), and three heroes brought down to nothing who have to fight their way out of that city and make things right. It would almost make an excellent game in itself. As for everyone else's opinion... see ThatOneLevel below.

* ThatOneLevel: ''Dharma'' '''FUCKING''' ''Temple''. Let's clarify, shall we? You enter a perfectly normal looking area, but get flushed down to a crappy prison area, with ''all'' of your few, but helpful, spells and skills drained until the 3/4 point of the chapter here. There is '''NO''' way back to the present until you beat the FINAL boss of the area (of ''MANY''), the shops sell crappy gear and items, there's an extremely hard-to-find mapshard that's hidden in [[GuideDangIt some obscure little hut that you may not even know you can enter unless you tilt the camera ''just'' right]], the monsters and bosses are notably stronger than your last adventure, you only have three underwhelming characters (The [=NPCs=] are decent at best, but ditch you as the story demands, leaving without any help often), you cannot use return or outside spells to easily get to inns in order to rest -or- priests in order to revive or save (both of which you will likely need often, even if you buy tons of herbs), the dungeons are colossal and confusing (easily the largest and hardest in the game) with no checkpoints save for one crappy little town which is worse than the prison town you started at, you have to fight in a tournament of rather strong bosses, and to top that all off, you don't even get any freebies when class changing, and you ''will need'' to grind your classes to a decent level to even hope to stand a chance against the bandit goons back in the present. Yuji Horii has gone to admit in interviews that he likes to kick players when they're down, but this is just ridiculous. The entire chapter created a BrokenBase between those who liked VII and those who hated it. Many {{Ragequit}} at this point, and it's not hard to see why. And if you're willing to actually go through with it, you're going to say a lot more words than the one with the "f" above.

* ThatOneLevel: ''Dharma'' '''[[PrecisionFStrike FUCKING]]''' ''Temple''. Let's clarify, shall we? You enter a perfectly normal looking area, but get flushed down to a crappy prison area, with ''all'' of your few, but helpful, spells and skills drained until the 3/4 point of the chapter here. There is '''NO''' way back to the present until you beat the FINAL boss of the area (of ''MANY''), the shops sell crappy gear and items, there's an extremely hard-to-find mapshard that's hidden in [[GuideDangIt some obscure little hut that you may not even know you can enter unless you tilt the camera ''just'' right]], the monsters and bosses are notably stronger than your last adventure, you only have three underwhelming characters (The [=NPCs=] are decent at best, but ditch you as the story demands, leaving without any help often), you cannot use return or outside spells to easily get to inns in order to rest -or- priests in order to revive or save (both of which you will likely need often, even if you buy tons of herbs), the dungeons are colossal and confusing (easily the largest and hardest in the game) with no checkpoints save for one crappy little town which is worse than the prison town you started at, you have to fight in a tournament of rather strong bosses, and to top that all off, you don't even get any freebies when class changing, and you ''will need'' to grind your classes to a decent level to even hope to stand a chance against the bandit goons back in the present. Yuji Horii has gone to admit in interviews that he likes to kick players when they're down, but this is just ridiculous. The entire chapter created a BrokenBase between those who liked VII and those who hated it. Many {{Ragequit}} at this point, and it's not hard to see why. And if you're willing to actually go through with it, you're going to say a lot more words than the one with the "f" above.

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Oh, the main story's pretty good, but the effect of [[FridgeLogic abruptly introducing other lands to a world where your tiny kingdom was literally the only power left]] when your King isn't exactly the best at diplomacy is left largely unexplored. [[hottip:*:Doesn't help that the game [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse seemingly drops the plot point]] that his predecessor took Shards away from others who almost stumbled across the Fane's secrets years ago...]]

* TheWoobie: [[spoiler:Eri. A KillerRobot who gets repurposed and reprogammed by {{Jerkass}} Zebbot, used to help destroy all her kind, and still gets AllOfTheOtherReindeer treatment from the [[UngratefulBastard angry villagers]]. Zebbot also turns her into a ReplacementGoldfish for his [[DeadLittleSister dead wife]], giving her the same name and treating her as a RobotMaid. Back in [[PresentDay the present]], she's still slaving away in their little cottage, trying to feed soup to [[NightmareFuel Zebbot's long-skeletonized remains]]. Oh, and the ambitious young king of the region hauls her off to study, hoping to create his own KillerRobot army, and his clumsy scientists waste no time in removing random parts to see how it affects her. Even when you ''stop'' this, she's just taken back home to spend the rest of her days in isolation, tending to her master's skeleton. Sure, she ''says'' she's happy, but... Luckily for her, the rest of her days aren't that long; if you ever choose to visit the house again, you'll find that she's broken down, finally joining Zebbot in death.]]

* MagnificentBastard: Arguably Orgodemir. He doesn't act much like this at first. [[spoiler: But then you get to Disc 2 and find out that he's been impersonating God.]]
* NarmCharm[=/=]SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: Done all over the place when Probina gets attacked. Some are less goofy than others (Those poor animals), and others easily qualify as the funniest in the game such as a man [[LampshadeHanging who notes the limitations of his sprite animations as he's fighting a monster]].

* NightmareFuel: Dialac. [[spoiler: [[TakenForGranite Frozen in stone]] by the Gray Rain, while most of the villagers were performing a ceremony meant to summon ''normal rain''... and [[AndIMustScream trapped that way]] for ''decades'', while the elements gradually wear their bodies away beyond the point of restoration. In one case, one of the statues ''crumbles away the second you touch him''. Oh, and one of the villagers was away when the rain fell, and spent all those years searching for a cure, only to find one long ''after'' it was too late to restore anyone.]]

* TheScrappy: Maribel is this to many players [[spoiler: before her dad gets sick]]. [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Afterward, she's not too bad.]] Most of the time. Hondara on the other hand, is always this, even in-game! And no, he doesn't get better either.

* ThatOneBoss: Deathpal is this to some players. Then you reach Dharma and realize he was essentially a '''WarmupBoss''' for the entire chapter, which is easily a boss in itself. [[ThoseTwoBadGuys The four bandit goons, and later their boss, outside of Present-Day Dharma]]. The only way to have a chance against them is to level up your classes. Later on you fight a boss and his cronies who are a different kind of TimeLimitBoss. There's no time ''limit'', but they can turn back the fight to the start, '''at whim''', which gets really old, really fast. After that, nobody really qualifies due to Dharma powering up your skills.
** [[spoiler: The first Orgodemir fight may, but that's technically a given.]]

* ThatOneLevel: ''Dharma'' '''[[PrecisionFStrike FUCKING]]''' ''Temple''. Let's clarify, shall we? You enter a perfectly normal looking area, but get flushed down to a crappy prison area, with ''all'' of your few, but helpful, spells and skills drained until the 3/4 point of the chapter here. There is '''NO''' way back to the present until you beat the FINAL boss of the area (of ''MANY''), the shops sell crappy gear and items, there's an extremely hard-to-find mapshard that's hidden in [[GuideDangIt some obscure little hut that you may not even know you can enter unless you tilt the camera ''just'' right]], the monsters and bosses are notably stronger than your last adventure, you only have three underwhelming characters (The [=NPCs=] are decent at best, but ditch you as the story demands, leaving without any help often.), you cannot use return or outside spells to easily get to inns in order to rest -or- priests in order to revive or save (both of which you will likely need often, even if you buy tons of herbs), the dungeons are colossal and confusing (easily the largest and hardest in the game) with no checkpoints save for one crappy little town which is worse than the prison town you started at, you have to fight in a tournament of rather strong bosses, and to top that all off, you don't even get any freebies when class changing, and you ''will need'' to grind your classes to a decent level to even hope to stand a chance against the bandit goons back in the present. Yuji Horii has gone to admit in interviews that he likes to kick players when they're down, but this is just ridiculous. The entire chapter created a BrokenBase between those who liked VII and those who hated it. Many {{Ragequit}} at this point and it's not hard to see why. And if you're willing to actually go through with it, you're going to say a lot more words than the one with the "f" above.

** Dharma Temple. Some found it to be reasonably challenging but not too much so, and the storyline is a truly epic tale involving a missing high priest, an occupied temple, an ordinary man trying to protect his sister from a city of vice, a slightly creepy guard cast out of his position (who turns out to be okay in the end), and three heroes brought down to nothing who have to fight their way out of that city and make things right. It would almost make an excellent game in itself.

** Partially justified. He sends exploration parties, talks stuff over with them, then life goes on. When the world leaders are gathered, it is not like they don't know each other, they just don't really bother with one another. [[WhatAnIdiot Though some remark on how the king couldn't possibly know their were other lands when "they've been there the whole time".]] This is mostly in part to the TimeyWimeyBall, not so much his ignorance.
* ToyShip: [[spoiler: Gabo]] is heavily implied to have a major crush on Fosse.

* TheWoobie: [[spoiler: Eri. A KillerRobot who gets repurposed and reprogammed by {{Jerkass}} Zebbot, used to help destroy all her kind, and still gets AllOfTheOtherReindeer treatment from the [[UngratefulBastard angry villagers]]. Zebbot also turns her into a ReplacementGoldfish for his [[DeadLittleSister dead wife]], giving her the same name and treating her as a RobotMaid. Back in [[PresentDay the present]], she's still slaving away in their little cottage, trying to feed soup to [[NightmareFuel Zebbot's long-skeletonized remains]]. Oh, and the ambitious young king of the region hauls her off to study, hoping to create his own KillerRobot army, and his clumsy scientists waste no time in removing random parts to see how it affects her. Even when you ''stop'' this, she's just taken back home to spend the rest of her days in isolation, tending to her master's skeleton. Sure, she ''says'' she's happy, but... Luckily for her the rest of her days aren't that long; if you ever choose to visit the house again you'll find that she's broken down, finally joining Zebbot in death.]]
** You kind of have to feel sorry for Sieble. The town he's living in is a complete DoomMagnet, [[spoiler: both of his pets sacrifice themselves to save his life]], and he may end up [[spoiler: the only survivor of the Hellworm invasion if you [[ShootTheDog killed Chibi]] rather than warned him about the villagers' plot]].

* CompleteMonster: About 90% of the antagonists, including [[BigBad Orgodemir]], are shockingly repulsive in their evil.

** YourMileageMayVary on Dharma Temple. Some found it to be reasonably challenging but not too much so, and the storyline is a truly epic tale involving a missing high priest, an occupied temple, an ordinary man trying to protect his sister from a city of vice, a slightly creepy guard cast out of his position (who turns out to be okay in the end), and three heroes brought down to nothing who have to fight their way out of that city and make things right. It would almost make an excellent game in itself.

* AccidentalNightmareFuel: Dialac. [[spoiler: [[TakenForGranite Frozen in stone]] by the Gray Rain, while most of the villagers were performing a ceremony meant to summon ''normal rain''... and [[AndIMustScream trapped that way]] for ''decades'', while the elements gradually wear their bodies away beyond the point of restoration. In one case, one of the statues ''crumbles away the second you touch him''. Oh, and one of the villagers was away when the rain fell, and spent all those years searching for a cure, only to find one long ''after'' it was too late to restore anyone.]]
** [[spoiler:Orgodemir's final ''final'' form is pretty damn unsettling. Basically, rather than going into more powerful-looking forms as the battle continues, he starts ''melting''.]]

* EnsembleDarkhorse: The tiny little Pod/Foo (later: Pip/Conk) families of monsters, who are critter versions of the default heroes of DragonQuestIII.

** The winner here is a man who gets his soul switched, WITH HIS COW, somehow manages to get married and have children, [[SuperpowerfulGenetics and each successive generation is able to talk to cows]].

* TheWoobie: [[spoiler: Eri. A KillerRobot who gets repurposed and reprogammed by JerkAss Zebbot, used to help destroy all her kind, and still gets AllOfTheOtherReindeer treatment from the [[UngratefulBastard angry villagers]]. Zebbot also turns her into a ReplacementGoldfish for his [[DeadLittleSister dead wife]], giving her the same name and treating her as a RobotMaid. Back in [[PresentDay the present]], she's still slaving away in their little cottage, trying to feed soup to [[NightmareFuel Zebbot's long-skeletonized remains]]. Oh, and the ambitious young king of the region hauls her off to study, hoping to create his own KillerRobot army, and his clumsy scientists waste no time in removing random parts to see how it affects her. Even when you ''stop'' this, she's just taken back home to spend the rest of her days in isolation, tending to her master's skeleton. Sure, she ''says'' she's happy, but... Luckily for her the rest of her days aren't that long; if you ever choose to visit the house again you'll find that she's broken down, finally joining Zebbot in death.]]

* AccidentalNightmareFuel - Dialac. [[spoiler: [[TakenForGranite Frozen in stone]] by the Gray Rain, while most of the villagers were performing a ceremony meant to summon ''normal rain''... and [[AndIMustScream trapped that way]] for ''decades'', while the elements gradually wear their bodies away beyond the point of restoration. In one case, one of the statues ''crumbles away the second you touch him''. Oh, and one of the villagers was away when the rain fell, and spent all those years searching for a cure, only to find one long ''after'' it was too late to restore anyone.]]

* ArcFatigue - This game is ''long''. 100+ hours is not unheard of for the main story. A large part of that is spent walking back and forth through the same thirteen screens over, and over, and ''over'' again, which gets tiring even if you have no problems with an RPG being that long.

* EnsembleDarkhorse - The tiny little Pod/Foo (later: Pip/Conk) families of monsters, who are critter versions of the default heroes of DragonQuestIII.
* EvilIsSexy - [[spoiler:Orgodimer's humanoid form. At least, ''he'' thinks it is. The final battle even lampshades it with one of his taunts, asking you if you can "bring yourself to strike such beauty". But then he ends up getting stuck between his two forms and ultimately having his flesh MELT RIGHT OFF HIS BONES.]]
* GameBreaker - For a lot of people, Sword Dance is this. It's ''required'' if you want to beat the game in a decent time (and a "decent" time for this game is 100 hours!). Luckily, it doesn't take too long to get after you free Dharma. [[GuideDangIt Sadly, there's several people who don't know about it or any "hybrid skills".]]
** GenreSavvy - Some enemies and bosses mid-game use Falcon Slash, a weaker variant. A later few use Sword Dance without mercy.

* ItGetsBetter - We hope you like exposition...you're going to be seeing a lot of it in the beginning.
* MagnificentBastard - Arguably Orgodemir. He doesn't act much like this at first. [[spoiler: But then you get to Disc 2 and find out that he's been impersonating God.]]
* NarmCharm[=/=]CrowningMomentOfFunny- Done all over the place when Probina gets attacked. Some are less goofy than others (Those poor animals), and others easily qualify as the funniest in the game such as a man [[LampshadeHanging who notes the limitations of his sprite animations as he's fighting a monster]].

* TheScrappy - Maribel is this to many players [[spoiler: before her dad gets sick]]. [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Afterward, she's not too bad.]] Most of the time. Hondara on the other hand, is always this, even in-game! And no, he doesn't get better either.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It can be hard to get into this game after the recent ones or even some of the remakes, and some of the criticisms of this game was that it looked dated for the time it was released, with ConspicuousCG breaking up the game's visual style. Keep in mind the game's development begun for the 64DD in 1996, and development switched to the Playstation in 1997 and remained in DevelopmentHell for about three years. By the time it was released in America, it was 2001 and the Playstation2 and Xbox had been around for awhile, and the Gamecube was ''just two weeks ahead''.
* TearJerker - Not everything's resolved so happily.
* ThatOneBoss - Deathpal is this to some players. Then you reach Dharma and realize he was essentially a '''WarmupBoss''' for the entire chapter, which is easily a boss in itself. [[ThoseTwoBadGuys The four bandit goons, and later their boss, outside of Present-Day Dharma]]. The only way to have a chance against them is to level up your classes. Later on you fight a boss and his cronies who are a different kind of TimeLimitBoss. There's no time ''limit'', but they can turn back the fight to the start, '''at whim''', which gets really old, really fast. After that, nobody really qualifies due to Dharma powering up your skills.

* ThatOneLevel - ''Dharma'' '''[[PrecisionFStrike FUCKING]]''' ''Temple''. Let's clarify, shall we? You enter a perfectly normal looking area, but get flushed down to a crappy prison area, with ''all'' of your few, but helpful, spells and skills drained until the 3/4 point of the chapter here. There is '''NO''' way back to the present until you beat the FINAL boss of the area (of ''MANY''), the shops sell crappy gear and items, there's an extremely hard-to-find mapshard that's hidden in [[GuideDangIt some obscure little hut that you may not even know you can enter unless you tilt the camera ''just'' right]], the monsters and bosses are notably stronger than your last adventure, you only have three underwhelming characters (The [=NPCs=] are decent at best, but ditch you as the story demands, leaving without any help often.), you cannot use return or outside spells to easily get to inns in order to rest -or- priests in order to revive or save (both of which you will likely need often, even if you buy tons of herbs), the dungeons are colossal and confusing (easily the largest and hardest in the game) with no checkpoints save for one crappy little town which is worse than the prison town you started at, you have to fight in a tournament of rather strong bosses, and to top that all off, you don't even get any freebies when class changing, and you ''will need'' to grind your classes to a decent level to even hope to stand a chance against the bandit goons back in the present. Yuji Horii has gone to admit in interviews that he likes to kick players when they're down, but this is just ridiculous. The entire chapter created a BrokenBase between those who liked VII and those who hated it. Many RageQuit at this point and it's not hard to see why. And if you're willing to actually go through with it, you're going to say a lot more words than the one with the "f" above.

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot - Oh, the main story's pretty good, but the effect of [[FridgeLogic abruptly introducing other lands to a world where your tiny kingdom was literally the only power left]] when your King isn't exactly the best at diplomacy is left largely unexplored. [[hottip:*:Doesn't help that the game [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse seemingly drops the plot point]] that his predecessor took Shards away from others who almost stumbled across the Fane's secrets years ago...]]

* ToyShip - [[spoiler: Gabo]] is heavily implied to have a major crush on Fosse.
* WhatAnIdiot: Pendragon
* TheWoobie - [[spoiler: Eri. A KillerRobot who gets repurposed and reprogammed by JerkAss Zebbot, used to help destroy all her kind, and still gets AllOfTheOtherReindeer treatment from the [[UngratefulBastard angry villagers]]. Zebbot also turns her into a ReplacementGoldfish for his [[DeadLittleSister dead wife]], giving her the same name and treating her as a RobotMaid. Back in [[PresentTime the present]], she's still slaving away in their little cottage, trying to feed soup to [[NightmareFuel Zebbot's long-skeletonized remains]]. Oh, and the ambitious young king of the region hauls her off to study, hoping to create his own KillerRobot army, and his clumsy scientists waste no time in removing random parts to see how it affects her. Even when you ''stop'' this, she's just taken back home to spend the rest of her days in isolation, tending to her master's skeleton. Sure, she ''says'' she's happy, but... Luckily for her the rest of her days aren't that long; if you ever choose to visit the house again you'll find that she's broken down, finally joining Zebbot in death.]]

** [[spoiler:Orgodemir's final ''final'' form is pretty damn unsettling.]]

* NightmareFuel - Dialac. [[spoiler: [[TakenForGranite Frozen in stone]] by the Gray Rain, while most of the villagers were performing a ceremony meant to summon ''normal rain''... and [[AndIMustScream trapped that way]] for ''decades'', while the elements gradually wear their bodies away beyond the point of restoration. In one case, one of the statues ''crumbles away the second you touch him''. Oh, and one of the villagers was away when the rain fell, and spent all those years searching for a cure, only to find one long ''after'' it was too late to restore anyone.]]

* ThatOneLevel - ''Dharma'' '''[[PrecisionFStrike FUCKING]]''' ''Temple''. Let's clarify, shall we? You enter a perfectly normal looking area, but get flushed down to a crappy prison area, with ''all'' of your few, but helpful, spells and skills drained until the 3/4 point of the chapter here. There is '''NO''' way back to the present until you beat the FINAL boss of the area (of ''MANY''), the shops sell crappy gear and items, there's an [[{{Understatement}} Extremely misable]] mapshard that's hidden in [[GuideDangIt some obscure little hut that you may not even know you can enter unless you tilt the camera ''just'' right]], the monsters and bosses are notably stronger than your last adventure, you only have three underwhelming characters (The [=NPCs=] are decent at best, but ditch you as the story demands, leaving without any help often.), you cannot use return or outside spells to easily get to inns in order to rest -or- priests in order to revive or save (both of which you will likely need often, even if you buy tons of herbs), the dungeons are colossal and confusing (easily the largest and hardest in the game) with no checkpoints save for one crappy little town which is worse than the prison town you started at, you have to fight in a tournament of rather strong bosses, and to top that all off, you don't even get any freebies when class changing, and you ''will need'' to grind your classes to a decent level to even hope to stand a chance against the bandit goons back in the present. Yuji Horii has gone to admit in interviews that he likes to kick players when they're down, but this is just ridiculous. The entire chapter created a BrokenBase between those who liked VII and those who hated it. Many RageQuit at this point and it's not hard to see why. And if you're willing to actually go through with it, you're going to say a lot more words than the one with the "f" above. [[{{Understatement}} '''A LOT.''']]

* ThatOneLevel - ''Dharma'' [[PrecisionFStrike '''FUCKING''']] ''Temple''. Let's clarify, shall we? You enter a perfectly normal looking area, but get flushed down to a crappy prison area, with ''all'' of your few, but helpful, spells and skills drained until the 3/4 point of the chapter here. There is '''NO''' way back to the present until you beat the FINAL boss of the area (of ''MANY''), the shops sell crappy gear and items, there's an [[{{Understatement}} Extremely misable]] mapshard that's hidden in [[GuideDangIt some obscure little hut that you may not even know you can enter unless you tilt the camera ''just'' right]], the monsters and bosses are notably stronger than your last adventure, you only have three underwhelming characters (The [=NPCs=] are decent at best, but ditch you as the story demands, leaving without any help often.), you cannot use return or outside spells to easily get to inns in order to rest -or- priests in order to revive or save (both of which you will likely need often, even if you buy tons of herbs), the dungeons are colossal and confusing (easily the largest and hardest in the game) with no checkpoints save for one crappy little town which is worse than the prison town you started at, you have to fight in a tournament of rather strong bosses, and to top that all off, you don't even get any freebies when class changing, and you ''will need'' to grind your classes to a decent level to even hope to stand a chance against the bandit goons back in the present. Yuji Horii has gone to admit in interviews that he likes to kick players when they're down, but this is just ridiculous. The entire chapter created a BrokenBase between those who liked VII and those who hated it. Many RageQuit at this point and it's not hard to see why. And if you're willing to actually go through with it, you're going to say a lot more words than the one with the "f" above. [[{{Understatement}} '''A LOT.''']]

* NarmCharm/CrowningMomentOfFunny- Done all over the place when Probina gets attacked. Some are less goofy than others (Those poor animals), and others easily qualify as the funniest in the game such as a man [[LampshadeHanging who notes the limitations of his sprite animations as he's fighting a monster]].