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* MagnificentBastard:
** The mysterious [[PhysicalGod Flemeth]], [[WickedWitch Witch of the Wilds]], is [[AmbiguouslyEvil shrouded in mystery]], a seemingly dotty old woman who speaks in riddles. In truth a mortal who bonded with the soul of Mythal, Flemeth deals in bargains but is swift to twist them to her own benefit. Saving the Grey Warden of Ferelden, Flemeth assists them and sends her daughter Morrigan with the secret hope that Morrigan will conceive a child using the soul of the Darkspawn Archdemon. Setting up her own survival by manipulating the hero Hawke, Flemeth returns years later to secretly assist Morrigan and potentially take the Archdemon's soul from her grandson before seemingly giving her life to the mysterious Solas for his own purposes.
** [[Characters/DragonAgeLeliana Leliana]] is an initially carefree Orlesian bard who helps save Thedas on more than one occasion. After [[VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins helping the Grey Wardens defeat the treacherous Loghain and the darkspawn]], a hardened Leliana [[VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition years later]] becomes the spymaster for the Inquisition, and helps track down many of the order's foes through coercion, bribery and murder. Despite her newfound ruthlessness, Leliana can be softened and persuaded by [[Characters/DragonAgeInquisitionTheInquisitor the Inquisitor]] to use more merciful methods, and if she's elected Divine Victoria, she abolishes the Circle of Magi and opens priesthood to all races. If she remains hardened, she has a rebellion that opposes her reforms infiltrated and destroyed from the inside.
** [[LovableRogue Zevran Arainai]] is a former member of the Antivan Crows. An assassin whose brilliance is focused on seduction, Zevran deserts the Crows to join the [[Characters/DragonAgeOriginsPlayableCharactersTheWarden Grey Warden]] and assists them with flair and intellect the whole way through. Later returning to Antiva, Zevran begins to [[OneManArmy bring the Crows down]], converting some to his cause and infiltrating and destroying other Houses of the Crows, with full intent to see them burn for what they have done.
** For Solas and the Iron Bull see YMMV/DragonAgeInquisition.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The series' HardTruthAesop of "Yesterday's oppressed can become tomorrow's oppressors" somewhat borders on this, since it can seem to imply that some people ''deserve'' oppression since they'd just do the same if given the chance. Of course, while mistreating someone just because they ''might'' mistreat you if given the oppertuniy isn't exactly a good thing, the concept that ''no one'' is immune to the corrupting properties of having power over another is sadly TruthInTelevision, as many a history book will attest.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The series' HardTruthAesop of "Yesterday's oppressed can become tomorrow's oppressors" somewhat borders on this, since it can seem to imply that some people ''deserve'' oppression since they'd just do the same if given the chance. Of course, while mistreating someone just because they ''might'' mistreat you if given the oppertuniy isn't exactly a good thing, the concept that ''no one'' is immune to the corrupting properties of having power over another is sadly TruthInTelevision, as many a history book will attest.
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** Dalish haters also tend to paint them all as violently haughty, elitist Dalish supremacists who want to wipe out or enslave all humans [[BoomerangBigot and city elves for being]] {{Race Traitor}}s, even though the games have shown many times that ''most'' Dalish just want ''one'' nation of their own where they can live in peace away from humans, which is not unreasonable considering how [[EnslavedElves elves are treated in human nations]]. This also ignores how most Dalish Clans shown don't even think twice about helping city elves in need[[note]]Keeper Marethari's Clan takes in both Pol the escaped city elf criminal in [=DAO=] and potentially Feynriel the half-elf apostate in [=DA2=]. Keeper Zathrien's Clan took in Lanaya the city elven mage and made her their First some time before [=DAO=]. Velanna's Clan actually kicked her out for being too hostile to humans and city elves in [=DAA=]. Keeper Hawen's Clan can send a Dalish ambassador to foster good relations with humans in [=DAI=], and Clan Lavellan, provided their quest chain is completed and they aren't killed off, willingly risk their own lives in a hostile human city to protect city elves that would have been scapegoated and purged for a human noble plot.[[/note]] Also, that the level of friendliness to and acceptance of outsiders varies from clan to clan and individual to individual, just like people of every other Thedas nation and culture.

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** Dalish haters also tend to paint them all as violently haughty, elitist Dalish supremacists who want to wipe out or enslave all humans [[BoomerangBigot and city elves for being]] {{Race Traitor}}s, even though the games have shown many times that ''most'' Dalish just want ''one'' nation of their own where they can live in peace away from humans, which is not unreasonable considering how [[EnslavedElves elves are treated in human nations]]. This also ignores how most Dalish Clans shown don't even think twice about helping city elves in need[[note]]Keeper need,[[note]]Keeper Marethari's Clan takes in both Pol the escaped city elf criminal in [=DAO=] and potentially Feynriel the half-elf apostate in [=DA2=]. Keeper Zathrien's Clan took in Lanaya the city elven mage and made her their First some time before [=DAO=]. Velanna's Clan actually kicked her out for being too hostile to humans and city elves in [=DAA=]. Keeper Hawen's Clan can send a Dalish ambassador to foster good relations with humans in [=DAI=], and Clan Lavellan, provided their quest chain is completed and they aren't killed off, willingly risk their own lives in a hostile human city to protect city elves that would have been scapegoated and purged for a human noble plot.[[/note]] Also, and that the level of friendliness to and acceptance of outsiders varies from clan to clan and individual to individual, just like people of every other Thedas nation and culture.culture in Thedas.
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** As of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'', the topic of transgender people among the Qunari. Another layer to Qunari society that makes them seem more progressive and sympathetic, or a cheap AuthorsSavingThrow by Creator/BioWare done in a poor attempt to retcon how they wrote the Qunari as having strict gender roles in earlier games? That it intersects with a sensitive RealLife issue and can easily be construed as carrying UnfortunateImplications doesn't help matters.

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* FanartAtFirstSight: During Gamescon 2020, Creator/BioWare released a behind-the-scene teaser to promote their next game. While the video mostly consists of concept art, it hasn't stopped the fans from immediately latching onto the few characters introduced in it, most notably the Qunari woman who has received a lot of fanart despite not even having a name yet (she has thus been affectionately dubbed "[[FanNickname Qunari wife]]" by a good portion of the fanbase).

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* DieForOurShip: Bianca Davri got ''a lot'' of this since she is the main reason why the wildly popular Varric is not a romance option for both Hawke and the Inquisitor as well as the fact that she treats him very poorly and is borderline emotionally abusive.

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* DieForOurShip: Bianca Davri got ''a lot'' of this since she is the main reason why the wildly popular Varric is not a romance option for both Hawke and the Inquisitor as well as the fact that she treats him very poorly and is largely seen as borderline emotionally abusive.



* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: Divisive companions and [=NPC=]'s tend to get ''much'' more dedicated hatedoms than most of the series' actual villains -- probably since the player spends much more time with them, form [[RelationshipValues emotional]] [[RomanceSidequest bonds]] with them, and can feel scorned when trust is betrayed or mundane-feeling jerkassery hits too close to home. One example includes Bianca Davri (see DieForOurShip above) getting ''far'' more hate for her perceived mistreatment of fan-favorite Varric than the game's OmnicidalManiac, [[CardCarryingVillain Corypheus]].



** Dalish haters also tend to paint them all as ''violently'' haughty, elitist Dalish supremacists who want to wipe out or enslave all humans [[BoomerangBigot and city elves for being]] {{Race Traitor}}s, even though the games have shown many times that ''most'' Dalish just want ''one'' nation of their own where they can live in peace away from humans, which is not unreasonable considering how [[EnslavedElves elves are treated in human nations]]. This also ignores how most Dalish Clans shown don't even think twice about helping city elves in need[[note]]Keeper Marethari's Clan takes in both Pol the escaped city elf criminal in [=DAO=] and potentially Feynriel the half-elf apostate in [=DA2=]. Keeper Zathrien's Clan took in Lanaya the city elven mage and made her their First some time before [=DAO=]. Velanna's Clan actually kicked her out for being too hostile to humans and city elves in [=DAA=]. Keeper Hawen's Clan can send a Dalish ambassador to foster good relations with humans in [=DAI=], and Clan Lavellan, provided their quest chain is completed and they aren't killed off, willingly risk their own lives in a hostile human city to protect city elves that would have been scapegoated and purged for a human noble plot.[[/note]] Also, that the level of friendliness to and acceptance of outsiders varies from clan to clan and individual to individual, just like people of every other Thedas nation and culture.

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** Dalish haters also tend to paint them all as ''violently'' violently haughty, elitist Dalish supremacists who want to wipe out or enslave all humans [[BoomerangBigot and city elves for being]] {{Race Traitor}}s, even though the games have shown many times that ''most'' Dalish just want ''one'' nation of their own where they can live in peace away from humans, which is not unreasonable considering how [[EnslavedElves elves are treated in human nations]]. This also ignores how most Dalish Clans shown don't even think twice about helping city elves in need[[note]]Keeper Marethari's Clan takes in both Pol the escaped city elf criminal in [=DAO=] and potentially Feynriel the half-elf apostate in [=DA2=]. Keeper Zathrien's Clan took in Lanaya the city elven mage and made her their First some time before [=DAO=]. Velanna's Clan actually kicked her out for being too hostile to humans and city elves in [=DAA=]. Keeper Hawen's Clan can send a Dalish ambassador to foster good relations with humans in [=DAI=], and Clan Lavellan, provided their quest chain is completed and they aren't killed off, willingly risk their own lives in a hostile human city to protect city elves that would have been scapegoated and purged for a human noble plot.[[/note]] Also, that the level of friendliness to and acceptance of outsiders varies from clan to clan and individual to individual, just like people of every other Thedas nation and culture.

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*** As of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'', the topic of transgender people among the Qunari. Another layer to Qunari society that makes them seem more progressive and sympathetic, or a cheap AuthorsSavingThrow by Creator/BioWare done in a poor attempt to retcon how they wrote the Qunari as having strict gender roles in earlier games? That it intersects with a sensitive RealLife issue and can easily be construed as carrying UnfortunateImplications doesn't help matters.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: The Qunari society is seen by a large margin of players as superior to the others in the setting due to providing clear metrics of success and failure without ambiguity, being equal with everyone having the same prestige and place as well as being taken care of by the state. These fans also seem to downplay the bad elements of the Qun in their heads. No family, no opportunity to choose one's own role or path in life. You go where you are told and do what you are told. Personal happiness is not a concern. You should be happy in the Qun's role for you. If you're not, then there is no recourse because the problem is ''you''. Enjoy being [[{{Brainwashed}} "re-educated"]] until you either are successfully indoctrinated or are turned into a mindless slave.

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The Qunari society is seen by a large margin of players as superior to the others in the setting due to providing clear metrics of success and failure without ambiguity, being equal with everyone having the same prestige and place as well as being taken care of by the state. These fans also seem to downplay the bad elements of the Qun in their heads. No family, no opportunity to choose one's own role or path in life. You go where you are told and do what you are told. Personal happiness is not a concern. You should be happy in the Qun's role for you. If you're not, then there is no recourse because the problem is ''you''. Enjoy being [[{{Brainwashed}} "re-educated"]] until you either are successfully indoctrinated or are turned into a mindless slave.



* RonTheDeathEater: Many Mage supporters tend to paint the Chantry, and particularly the Templar Order, as the ultimate source of evil in Thedas. While it is outdated in some aspects and quite a few members like Sister Petrice or Ser Alrik ''are'' horrible people, there are many decent people among them too, and the conflict is much more [[GreyAndGrayMorality complex]] than just ''evil fanatics trying to oppress the innocent minority'' - among other things, the number of innocent minorities that can shoot fire from their hands and raise the dead in reality remains zero.

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Many Mage supporters tend to paint the Chantry, and particularly the Templar Order, as the ultimate source of evil in Thedas. While it is outdated in some aspects and quite a few members like Sister Petrice or Ser Alrik ''are'' horrible people, there are many decent people among them too, and the conflict is much more [[GreyAndGrayMorality complex]] than just ''evil fanatics trying to oppress the innocent minority'' - among other things, the number of innocent minorities that can shoot fire from their hands and raise the dead in reality remains zero.
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** The big one: Mages vs Templars. Are Templars [[KnightTemplar fanatics]] who mercilessly hunt down innocent mages? Or [[KnightInShiningArmor protectors]] of mages and non-mages alike who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo do what they have to do]]? Are Mages victims of a bigoted worldview pushed by the Chantry, which keeps them permanently oppressed? Or are they narrow-minded and selfish, and only end up justifying everyone's fears about them? The conflict between the two factions plays a major role in the second and third games in the series.

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** The Templars. They 're either [[KnightTemplar fanatics]] [[ChurchMilitant who]] mercilessly hunt down innocent mages or [[KnightInShiningArmor protectors]] of mages and non-mages alike. The conflict between the two factions plays a major role in the second and third games in the series.

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** The Qunari as a whole. Are they the OnlySaneMan species of Dragon Age, a complex, flawed society that, [[GreyAndGrayMorality like most things in]] ''Dragon Age'', can't be defined as right or wrong, or pretentious, self-righteous murderers who deserve to all die? ''Inquisition'' has fanned the flames of this as new insight from Iron Bull downplays several of the negatives.[[note]]You don't get to choose your job, but the actual duties of that job are likely no different than it is for anyone in the same line of work in a different society, offering the chance for downtime. You don't know your blood relations, but you still have friends who're as close to you as a family. There are strict gender roles that keep men and women in their [[StayInTheKitchen respective kitchens]], but you can be declared [[{{Transgender}} Aqun-Athlok]] and allowed to assume a role opposite of your biological gender. You don't have sex for love, but it turns out that they do practice a form of sacred prostitution; free, no attachment sex whenever you want it with whatever gender you prefer in the sack, no more stigmatized than seeing a doctor, and it can get... kinky.[[/note]] The ''Trespasser'' DLC of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'' cast the Qunari as the primary antagonists, and showed them doing some deeply disturbing and downright villainous things, and seems to indicate that Creator/{{BioWare}} intends them to be bad guys. All this has done is escalate the debate about the Qunari from the fandom's perspective, however.

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** The Qunari as a whole. Are they the OnlySaneMan species of Dragon Age, a complex, flawed society that, [[GreyAndGrayMorality like most things in]] ''Dragon Age'', can't be defined as right or wrong, or pretentious, self-righteous murderers who deserve to all die? ''Inquisition'' has fanned the flames of this as new insight from Iron Bull downplays several of the negatives.[[note]]You don't get to choose your job, but the actual duties of that job are likely no different than it is for anyone in the same line of work in a different society, offering the chance for downtime. You don't know your blood relations, but you still have friends who're as close to you as a family. There are strict gender roles that keep men and women in their [[StayInTheKitchen respective kitchens]], but you can be declared [[{{Transgender}} [[UsefulNotes/{{Transgender}} Aqun-Athlok]] and allowed to assume a role opposite of your biological gender. You don't have sex for love, but it turns out that they do practice a form of sacred prostitution; free, no attachment sex whenever you want it with whatever gender you prefer in the sack, no more stigmatized than seeing a doctor, and it can get... kinky.[[/note]] The ''Trespasser'' DLC of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'' cast the Qunari as the primary antagonists, and showed them doing some deeply disturbing and downright villainous things, and seems to indicate that Creator/{{BioWare}} intends them to be bad guys. All this has done is escalate the debate about the Qunari from the fandom's perspective, however.

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* CompleteMonster: The nameless [[WickedWitch witch]] is the leader of the small group of bandits who [[ForTheEvulz has fun]] by traveling through the territory and [[RapePillageAndBurn killing, pillaging and burning]] everything they find. Having several villages and farms burned, the witch stumbles upon the adopted family of the child mage Gleam while she was away, and took everything from them, before killing them and setting the farm on fire. As Gleam, her friend and her younger adopted brother decide to track the bandits down, they find her and her gang burning down their latest village, killing everyone there, including [[WouldHurtAChild children]]. After easily defeating the heroes, the witch plans to sell Gleam to the Man of Light, before [[DirtyCoward she abandons her gang]], when the Templars arrive and attack them.


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* PopCultureHoliday: December 4th is "Dragon Age Day", which was originally spelled "'''D'''ragon '''4'''ge Day", but was later changed to prevent confusion with the upcoming ''Dragon Age 4'' game.
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* WoobieSpecies: After the elves had their homeland invaded, were enslaved, freed, had their homeland invaded again, and now are either second class citizens or living in the forest, with uneasy relations with humans, it's hard not to pity them. Though their descendants certainly suffer greatly, it's heavily implied that the attacks on the Dales weren't unprovoked. The Inquisitor discovers some letters from those involved in the attack on Red Crossing, which sparked the war against the Dales: [[spoiler:It was a tragic case of PoorCommunicationKills, fueled by years of growing hostility and distrust from both sides.]] Whether or not one feels the war was justified, most Thedas humans now consider the conflict just another footnote in their long history, while the ''entire elven race'' (outside [[EnslavedElves Tevinter]]) is ''still'' being punished for it ''over 700 years later''.
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* WoobieSpecies: After the elves had their homeland invaded, were enslaved, freed, had their homeland invaded again, and now are either second class citizens or living in the forest, with uneasy relations with humans, it's hard not to pity them. Though their descendants certainly suffer greatly, it's heavily implied that the attacks on the Dales weren't unprovoked. The Inquisitor discovers some letters from those involved in the attack on Red Crossing, which sparked the war against the Dales: [[spoiler:It was a tragic case of PoorCommunicationKills, fueled by years of growing hostility and distrust from both sides.]] Whether or not one feels the war was justified, most Thedas humans now consider the conflict just another footnote in their long history, while the ''entire elven race'' (outside [[EnslavedElves Tevinter]]) is ''still'' being punished for it ''over 700 years later''.
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* DieForOurShip: Bianca Davri got ''a lot'' of this since she is the main reason why the wildly popular Varric is not a romance option for both Hawke and the Inquisitor as well as the fact that most people think she treats him very poorly and borderline emotionally abusive.

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* DieForOurShip: Bianca Davri got ''a lot'' of this since she is the main reason why the wildly popular Varric is not a romance option for both Hawke and the Inquisitor as well as the fact that most people think she treats him very poorly and is borderline emotionally abusive.
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* RonTheDeathEater: Many Mage supporters tend to paint the Chantry, and particularly the Templar Order, as the ultimate source of evil in Thedas. While it is outdated in some aspects and quite a few members like Sister Petrice or Ser Alrik ''are'' horrible people, there are many decent people among them too, and the conflict is much more [[GreyAndGrayMorality complex]] than just ''evil fanatics trying to oppress the innocent minority'' - among other things, the number of innocent oppressed minorities that can shoot fire from their hands in reality remains zero.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Many Mage supporters tend to paint the Chantry, and particularly the Templar Order, as the ultimate source of evil in Thedas. While it is outdated in some aspects and quite a few members like Sister Petrice or Ser Alrik ''are'' horrible people, there are many decent people among them too, and the conflict is much more [[GreyAndGrayMorality complex]] than just ''evil fanatics trying to oppress the innocent minority'' - among other things, the number of innocent oppressed minorities that can shoot fire from their hands and raise the dead in reality remains zero.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: The Qunari society is seen by a large margin of players as superior to the others in the setting due to providing clear metrics of success and failure without ambiguity, being equal with everyone having the same prestige and place as well as being taken care of by the state. These fans also seem to downplay the bad elements of the Qun in their heads. No family, no opportunity to choose one's own role or path in life. You go where you are told and do what you are told. Personal happiness is not a concern. You should be happy in the Qun's role for you. If you are not, then there is no recourse because the problem is ''you''. Enjoy being [[{{Brainwashed}} "re-educated"]] until you either are successfully indoctrinated or are turned into a mindless slave.
** Same case about the Tevinter Empire. It is THE textbook example on 'Mages gone bad', with slavery, blood magic and power abuse on a regular basis, yet many people who are Pro Mage and Anti Templar uphold this as a ''positive'' example of Mages being able to govern themselves, which is totally backwards.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: The Qunari society is seen by a large margin of players as superior to the others in the setting due to providing clear metrics of success and failure without ambiguity, being equal with everyone having the same prestige and place as well as being taken care of by the state. These fans also seem to downplay the bad elements of the Qun in their heads. No family, no opportunity to choose one's own role or path in life. You go where you are told and do what you are told. Personal happiness is not a concern. You should be happy in the Qun's role for you. If you are you're not, then there is no recourse because the problem is ''you''. Enjoy being [[{{Brainwashed}} "re-educated"]] until you either are successfully indoctrinated or are turned into a mindless slave.
** Same case about the Tevinter Empire. It is THE ''the'' textbook example on 'Mages of 'mages gone bad', with slavery, blood magic magic, human (and elf) sacrifice, and power abuse on a regular basis, yet many people who are Pro Mage pro-mage and Anti Templar anti-Templar uphold this them as a ''positive'' example of Mages mages being able to govern themselves, which is totally backwards.



* RonTheDeathEater: Many Mage supporters tend to paint the Chantry, and particularly the Templar Order, as the ultimate source of evil in Thedas. While it is outdated in some aspects and quite a few members like Sister Petrice or Ser Alrik ''are'' a bunch of horrible people, there are many decent people among them too, and the conflict is much more [[GreyAndGrayMorality complex]] than just ''evil fanatics trying to oppress the innocent minority''.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Many Mage supporters tend to paint the Chantry, and particularly the Templar Order, as the ultimate source of evil in Thedas. While it is outdated in some aspects and quite a few members like Sister Petrice or Ser Alrik ''are'' a bunch of horrible people, there are many decent people among them too, and the conflict is much more [[GreyAndGrayMorality complex]] than just ''evil fanatics trying to oppress the innocent minority''.minority'' - among other things, the number of innocent oppressed minorities that can shoot fire from their hands in reality remains zero.




* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: A lot of people are drawing parallels between the Templars and Mage conflict to real-life issues of security vs. freedom. [[http://unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-social-satire-of-dragon-age-mages.html 1]], [[http://unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-social-satire-of-dragon-age-mages_9.html 2]], [[http://unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-social-satire-of-dragon-age-mages_75.html 3]].

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* CompleteMonster: The nameless [[WickedWitch witch]] is the leader of the small group of bandits who has fun by traveling through the territory and [[RapePillageAndBurn killing, pillaging and burning]] everything they find. Having several villages and farms burned, the witch stumbles upon the adopted family of the child mage Gleam while she was away, and took everything from them, before killing them and setting the farm on fire. As Gleam, her friend and her younger adopted brother decide to track the bandits down, they find her and her gang burning down their latest village, killing everyone there, including [[WouldHurtAChild children]]. After easily defeating the heroes, the witch plans to sell Gleam to the Man of Light, before [[DirtyCoward she abandons her gang]], when the Templars arrive and attack them.

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* CompleteMonster: The nameless [[WickedWitch witch]] is the leader of the small group of bandits who [[ForTheEvulz has fun fun]] by traveling through the territory and [[RapePillageAndBurn killing, pillaging and burning]] everything they find. Having several villages and farms burned, the witch stumbles upon the adopted family of the child mage Gleam while she was away, and took everything from them, before killing them and setting the farm on fire. As Gleam, her friend and her younger adopted brother decide to track the bandits down, they find her and her gang burning down their latest village, killing everyone there, including [[WouldHurtAChild children]]. After easily defeating the heroes, the witch plans to sell Gleam to the Man of Light, before [[DirtyCoward she abandons her gang]], when the Templars arrive and attack them.
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* CompleteMonster: The nameless [[WickedWitch witch]] is the leader of the small group of bandits who has fun by traveling through the territory and [[RapePillageAndBurn killing, pillaging and burning]] everything they find. Having several villages and farms burned, the witch stumbles upon the adopted family of the child mage Gleam while she was away, and took everything from them, before killing them and setting the farm on fire. As Gleam, her friend and her younger adopted brother decide to track the bandits down, they find her and her gang burning down their latest village, killing everyone there, including [[WouldHurtAChild children]]. After easily defeating the heroes, the witch plans to sell her to the Man of Light, before [[DirtyCoward she abandons her gang]], when the Templars arrive and attack them.

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* CompleteMonster: The nameless [[WickedWitch witch]] is the leader of the small group of bandits who has fun by traveling through the territory and [[RapePillageAndBurn killing, pillaging and burning]] everything they find. Having several villages and farms burned, the witch stumbles upon the adopted family of the child mage Gleam while she was away, and took everything from them, before killing them and setting the farm on fire. As Gleam, her friend and her younger adopted brother decide to track the bandits down, they find her and her gang burning down their latest village, killing everyone there, including [[WouldHurtAChild children]]. After easily defeating the heroes, the witch plans to sell her Gleam to the Man of Light, before [[DirtyCoward she abandons her gang]], when the Templars arrive and attack them.
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* CompleteMonster: The nameless [[WickedWitch witch]] is the leader of the small group of bandits who has fun by traveling through the territory and [[RapePillageAndBurn killing, pillaging and burning]] everything they find. Having several villages and farms burned, the witch stumbles upon the adopted family of the child mage Gleam while she was away, and took everything from them, before killing them and setting the farm on fire. As Gleam, her friend and her younger adopted brother decide to track the bandits down, they find her and her gang burning down their latest village, killing everyone there, including [[WouldHurtAChild children]]. After easily defeating the heroes, the witch plans to sell her to the Man of Light, before [[DirtyCoward she abandons her gang]], when the Templars arrive and attack them.
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Just adding this. Another crappy gay trope that this lovely franchise avoids.


* LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[{{Gayngst}} gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] [[GenderEqualEnsemble and of equal gender numbers]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests and the series' first transgender character in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.

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* LGBTFanbase: One of the most beloved video game series among the LGBT community thanks to having a wide variety of LGBT characters with different characteristics while generally avoiding [[SissyVillain the]] [[BuryYourGays typical]] [[{{Gayngst}} gay]] [[NoBisexuals tropes]]. The fact that [[EveryoneIsBi all the love interests are bisexuals]] [[GenderEqualEnsemble and of equal gender numbers]] (barring a DLC party member) in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has been applauded by the bisexual community as well as having gay, straight, and bisexual love interests and the series' first transgender character in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.

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